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The skins arent playing with any heart. Play for the fans, play for the $, play for the playoffs, or at least play for your fallen former teammate ST 21. Show some F-ing heart!!!

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Moss? WTF did he do except steal a pack-check this weekend?

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Sellers doesn't have heart?

I think they all do but we are stuck in a slump right now. A win next week would help a lot.

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Heart? They actually "left it all on the field". You just have to go back after the game and check for it.

See, cliches work both ways.

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Define playing with heart.

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I seen no urgency out there today. Remember a few years back when the Giants old owner passed the came out with guns blazing against us. From kickoff i knew we were gonna lose. Today I thought hey ST banner day,done deal we're gonna destroy them but it looked like the other way around today. Even when we were down with 4 mins left we played with no urgency.

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Uh, none of that stuff matters once they get between the lines. The tribute is likely to get a lot of players in the mood to play, but once Eli completes a pass on third down, emotion gives way to adjustments and fun stuff like that.

I don't buy the fact that we lost 36-0 three years ago because some old guy who had a rooting/ownership interest in the Giants died. I don't care how good of a guy he was. Total media creation.

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[quote=Stacks42;506036]The skins arent playing with any heart. Play for the fans, play for the $, play for the playoffs, or at least play for your fallen former teammate ST 21. Show some F-ing heart!!![/quote]

I absolutely agree with you. B/c what you say indicates you are totally clueless. Words have meaning to examine. Its ok, just take more time to articulate your feelings more. I think you meant to express your hurt feelings about today. What you actually did was insult the team on an emotional day that you lay claim to be concerned with.

But speak up your consciousness to what little you perceive.

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Playing with heart doesn't always get you a win.

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Snore. Great hard-hitting analysis Stacks.

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I agree we get punched in the mouth and dont punch back. I got Chris Pauls next parody song idea...................Heartless by Kanye West. We got ateam that is Heartless. (thats in my sing voice)LOL

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The Giants are FAR superior in talent and execution. That has nothing to do w/ heart.

Just an example: Giants WR's consist of Burress (of course didn't play yesterday), Toomer, Hixon, Steve Smith (2nd year), S. Moss.

How much better are they than the Skins WR's? Alot. We'll see how Thomas and Kelly progress as they have some upside but right now, they're alot better.

Their Oline? Maybe the best in the NFL.

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This debate is kinda stupid, obviously the Skins had a ton of emotion but we played like shit and got beaten by better players.

Lot more to do with skill and one-on-one battles. hell I want to be the best football player in the world, but I highly doubt I will be. Does that make me have no heart?

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At the end of the day heart only gets you so far. Football comes down to the basics of tackling, blocking, passing, and running the ball. The Giants are simply a better team and did a better job at the basics. If you want heart watch Rudy or something.

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It's always easier to blame one single thing when a team fails because ONE thing can be easily changed. In this case "heart". But in reality our issues are far more complicated and varied. "Heart" has little to do with the fact that our lines are old and slow, our QB isn't making plays, and our receivers don't get open. It isn't "heart" that is causing those problems.

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Prime example. The muffed extra point. That could have swung momentem got the crowd in the game. Got the team goin. But what did everyone do watch Carney kick the ball without even stepping into it. I played football my whole life and you damn well better go hard every play. Heart has a hell of alot to do with yesterdays loss. My coach always said "you quit now you will quit the rest of your life". What do they think the playoffs(if we even make it) are gonna be easy. Man up Forget the excuses. They are proffessionals that get paid to play through adverse situations. Portis is out there every week showin all the heart in the world. For what? How do you think the Browns beat the Giants? HEART

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;506274]How do you think the Browns beat the Giants? HEART[/quote]Also: 3 interceptions.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;506274]Prime example. The muffed extra point. That could have swung momentem got the crowd in the game. Got the team goin. But what did everyone do watch Carney kick the ball without even stepping into it. I played football my whole life and you damn well better go hard every play. Heart has a hell of alot to do with yesterdays loss. My coach always said "you quit now you will quit the rest of your life". What do they think the playoffs(if we even make it) are gonna be easy. Man up Forget the excuses. They are proffessionals that get paid to play through adverse situations. Portis is out there every week showin all the heart in the world. For what? How do you think the Browns beat the Giants? HEART[/quote]
Well then how did we beat the Browns? Browns have won 4 games so thats a fine example of a team with heart.

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your missin the point we have a better record then the browns.yes But on that day the browns had more heart and the will to win then the giants.

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Yeah, stupid team forgot to show heart any other time though. You'd think that they'd stick with what works, but apparently they only have so much heart to show.

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what an idiot

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Ward broke one on us in the 4th quarter. It went for about 80+ yards. He was about to run it up on us, but someone hauled some SERIOUS ASS and tackled him short of the goal line. That is playing with heart.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;506285]your missin the point we have a better record then the browns.yes But on that day the browns had more heart and the will to win then the giants.[/quote]

Could it be that you are missing the point. Heart does not win games, execution wins games. That Monday night the Giants let one slip and a lesser team beat them.
Yesterday both teams played hard. I did not watch the game and think "man this team has packed it in and gone home" I did however think "man they need to pull their heads outta their backends" and start executing. I also thought a lot "Wow, the Giants really are THAT good."

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[quote=redsk1;506089]The Giants are FAR superior in talent and execution. That has nothing to do w/ heart.

Just an example: Giants WR's consist of Burress (of course didn't play yesterday), Toomer, Hixon, Steve Smith (2nd year), S. Moss.

How much better are they than the Skins WR's? Alot. We'll see how Thomas and Kelly progress as they have some upside but right now, they're alot better.

Their Oline? Maybe the best in the NFL.[/quote]

First of all, I don't believe that the Giants had a far superior team than the Redskins yesterday. I think they executed on third down and called plays to Ward rather than Jacobs who we thought would run the ball down our throats. The Redskins had so many opportuniites to capitalize on a turnover and JC totally failed in going through his progressions totally diffferent than he was in the four straight wins. The Giants secondary could not keep up with Randle El nor Chris Cooley. It wasn't our offensive line yesterday. It was a non-efficient play by the QB.

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Play calling, execution, talent and motivation together wins games.

Anytime we lose, any of these can be questioned.
You can win a game with heart, or even 4 or 5 in a row...but you must also have at least one other element to actually win.

I'd argue defensive playcalling to start the game was poor, Special teams did not execute. Offensive game planning heavy on pass was questionable.
Talent at WR, Oline, Dline, QB was less than that of our competition.

But to throw you a bone....yeah, this team has not played above their talent this year, except a couple games early in the season when defenses didn't have film on Zorn's offense. That was game calling and execution

Playing above your talent level is Coaching....call it motivation, call it heart.
But one I would never question is Portis...someone needs to consider benching that guy before he permanently damages his body...
Others with heart, Sellers, Rock, Fletch, Moss, ARE, Cooley, etc...there are plenty of Skins with "guts"...the only question is how do we motivate the others to play higher than their ability?

The only one that can do that is Zorn....but he needs to get to know his players well enough to get inside their heads and press their buttons.
That is an intangible skill that only the best Head Coaches can do.
That is not always a learned skill....some have it, some don't.
We will learn next year if Zorn can take the next step and figure out how to motivate at an individual level.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;506315]Could it be that you are missing the point. Heart does not win games, execution wins games. [/quote]

Heart heavily effects execution.
Look at our last 2 playoff runs.

You just cant say heart does not win games, it is a major factor in most.
The only ones where it is not a factor are in games when the teams are significantly different in terms of talent....that is not common in todays NFL.

However, the Giants are better than us in:
Coaching
Talent
Execution

So it is really hard to beat a team like that if you need to make up all the deficiencies in heart alone.
We needed stellar coaching and/or execution, we didn't get either.

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This is getting ridiculous. Heart is not real. It's a made up sports cliche. It's not like a 40 time or max bench press. When a player goes down short of the first down on fourth and one and you lose the game, OK, that guy lacked heart on that play. Fine, use the dumb cliche.

But to take an entire game in which we were dominated in most phases and say, hey, look at this, we don't have enough heart, is ass-stupid. It's not the type of analysis that belongs next to the writing of people like Gtripp, who work hard breaking down our games in meaningful, illuminating ways.

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aLL IM SAYIN IS THAT IT LOOKED LIKE MOST OF THE DAY PLAYERS WERE JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS, HENSE ME SAYING THAT THEY LACKED HEART. i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DOWN WHAT IM SAYING ABOUT HAVING HEART HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, EVER EVEN STRAPPED A DAMN HELMET ON. FOOTBALL IS A GAME FULL OF EMOTION. AND GIVING UP AND NOT SHOWING HEART IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE NOTICED. i NOTICED IT. YES HAVING HEART HAS ALOT TO DO WITH WINNING FOOTBALLGAMES, IT MEANS YOU WONT BACK DOWN WHEN TIMES GET HARD. IF YOU GET PUNCHED IN THE MOUTH YOU WILL PUNCH RIGHT BACK. IT MEANS THAT YOU GO HARD ON EVERY PLAY(EVEN EXTRA POINTS). WE DID NOT SHOW ANY OF THAT YESTERDAY. NONE OF YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY WE PLAYED 100% YESTERDAY. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT EXCUSES FOR SHIT. OUR LINE IS OLD OUR COACHING IS BAD, BLAH BLAH BLAH. MAN UP

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^^^^^^

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The collective IQ of the board has dropped about 20 points around here lately.

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I think Wilbon pretty much sums up my feelings on this nonsense:

Clinton Portis PLAYS HIS HEART OUT every single down. The guy is amazing. His line isn't good enough. They try hard. They're smart. They want to do it...They give it everything they've got. And they're not good enough. Did you watch the Giants? Did you watch the Vikings last night manhandle the Bears in quite a few situations? That's line play, boys and girls. The Redskins can't pound the QB, even though their guys get after it pretty good. The Redskins are 7-5 good...not 10-2 good. They're okay, pretty good, might-make-the-playoffs-but-probably-not good...but they're not great and the QB ain't the problem. Neither is the RB. Neither is the coach. The WRs could be better...but are Tennessee's WRs any better? No. Their lines are better. Both of them. A lot better.

His caps not mine.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/11/26/DI2008112603313.html?nav=hcmodule]The Chat House with Michael Wilbon - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;506350]The collective IQ of the board has dropped about 20 points around here lately.[/quote]


It's because I've been gone... sorry :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;506350]The collective IQ of the board has dropped about 20 points around here lately.[/quote]

Hey, more W's would improve that. LOL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506350]The collective IQ of the board has dropped about 20 points around here lately.[/quote]

20? I think you're being too kind Matty. :)

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[quote=53Fan;506434]20? I think you're being to kind Matty. :)[/quote]

Not when you consider it was pretty low to start with.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506438]Not when you consider it was pretty low to start with.[/quote]

:laughing2 You may have a point there.

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I think the heart excuse is cop-out bull crap. A foolish, naive and easy answer to a complex problem. I don't think we have a single guy who quit yesterday or didn't try as hard as he could. We just aren't as good as the "heart" club wants to think. They think our boys can simply just ratchet up their desire to win and that will solve all our problems. Sorry but you all fall into the dopey category right now.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;506348]aLL IM SAYIN IS THAT IT LOOKED LIKE MOST OF THE DAY PLAYERS WERE [B]JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS[/B], HENSE ME SAYING THAT [B]THEY LACKED HEART[/B]. i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DOWN WHAT IM SAYING ABOUT HAVING HEART HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, [B]EVER EVEN STRAPPED A DAMN HELMET ON[/B]. FOOTBALL IS A GAME FULL OF EMOTION. AND GIVING UP AND NOT SHOWING HEART IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE NOTICED. i NOTICED IT. YES HAVING HEART HAS ALOT TO DO WITH WINNING FOOTBALLGAMES, IT MEANS [B]YOU WONT BACK DOWN WHEN TIMES GET HARD[/B]. IF YOU [B]GET PUNCHED IN THE MOUTH YOU WILL PUNCH RIGHT BACK[/B]. IT MEANS THAT YOU [B]GO HARD ON EVERY PLAY[/B](EVEN EXTRA POINTS). WE DID NOT SHOW ANY OF THAT YESTERDAY. NONE OF YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY WE PLAYED 100% YESTERDAY. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT EXCUSES FOR SHIT. OUR LINE IS OLD OUR COACHING IS BAD, BLAH BLAH BLAH. MAN UP[/quote]I like the defense of a cliche using every possible cliche that can be thought of. It's classy, yet unrefined.

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[quote=GTripp0012;506469]I like the defense of a cliche using every possible cliche that can be thought of. It's classy, yet unrefined.[/quote]


LOL, well done.

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[quote=GTripp0012;506469]I like the defense of a cliche using every possible cliche that can be thought of. It's classy, yet unrefined.[/quote]

Bravo to you sir. Bravo.