Editorial: Why the Redskins aren't an Elite Team
 

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[/B][QUOTE]We’ve said it time and time again here at [B][URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/"]DC Pro Sports Report[/URL][/B], a little over 5 years now, the Redskins are getting beat by better teams where it counts, at the front lines. The Giants protected Eli Manning all day and opened holes later in the game for Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward. They essentially wore down the Redskins defensive front, because they are better,, they are superior. At the end of this article, we provide some comments form some members at our partner site, [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net"]theWarpath.net[/URL].[/QUOTE]

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For whatever reason, the Skins FO does not seem to place value on drafting (with early round picks) and developing their own line talent. They have continued to try to plug holes with older free agents and its just not working. Maybe someday they will recognize that teams are built from the inside out.

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while it would have been nice to resign Dockery, the money was too outrageous. we need line help on both sides of the ball

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hello vinny, can you please read and comprehend this.

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It is going to take us a few seasons to learn from the mistakes of our past, specifically in overspending for Free Agents and passing up on draft choices.

Also, we just aren't consistent enough and teams the are contenders and are considered "elite teams" are consistent.

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[quote=irish;506117]For whatever reason, the Skins FO does not seem to place value on drafting (with early round picks) and developing their own line talent. They have continued to try to plug holes with older free agents and its just not working. Maybe someday they will recognize that teams are built from the inside out.[/quote]

I have to agree with you irish. Games are won and lost in the trenches. They always have been, they always will be. What good is it to have a strong armed QB who does'nt have time to throw? What good is it to have good wide receivers who only get thrown to once or twice a game because the QB is running for his life? What good is a great RB with no holes to run through? We have some good DB's. How good would they be if we actually had a pass rush? How many INT's would we get? Why draft skill positions when they can't do their job because the lines suck? We have dealt with "patchwork" lines long enough. The FO made a mistake in overestimating our lines as did the coaches. It is time to address this issue. The next draft will tell alot about this organization. Are we going to go for the sparklely, shiny toys, or are we going after the engines that drive this MF? We might want to check on a new receivers coach while we're at it.

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When are we going to stop acting like our Super Bowl teams of the 80s and early 90s was built on spending high draft picks on linemen (offensive and defensive). It wasn't. It was on developing consistency and unity over several years (which was significantly easier to do in those days). But the core players in the trenches did not primarily consist of high draft picks by the Redskins

Dexter Manley (5th round)
Charles Mann (3rd round)
Dave Butz (1st round-Cardinals; joined Redskins in 2nd season)
Darryl Grant (9th round)
Marcus Koch (2nd round)
Jumpy Geathers (2nd round-Saints; joined Redskins in 7th season)
Tim Johnsons (6th round-Steelers; joined Redskins in 4th season)
Fred Stokes (12th round-Rams; Joined Redskins in 3rd season)
Bobby Wilson (1st round; bust for all intents and purposes)

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

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[quote=SmootSmack;506536]When are we going to stop acting like our Super Bowl teams of the 80s and early 90s was built on spending high draft picks on linemen (offensive and defensive). It wasn't. It was on developing consistency and unity over several years (which was significantly easier to do in those days). But the core players in the trenches did not primarily consist of high draft picks by the Redskins

Dexter Manley (5th round)
Charles Mann (3rd round)
Dave Butz (1st round-Cardinals; joined Redskins in 2nd season)
Darryl Grant (9th round)
Marcus Koch (2nd round)
Jumpy Geathers (2nd round-Saints; joined Redskins in 7th season)
Tim Johnsons (6th round-Steelers; joined Redskins in 4th season)
Fred Stokes (12th round-Rams; Joined Redskins in 3rd season)
Bobby Wilson (1st round; bust for all intents and purposes)

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)[/quote]

I think the point of the matter is, this is the new NFL and teams that have spent wisely on the offensive and defensive lines are winning football teams. Now more than ever, the NFL draft is more important. We have tried the free agent approach. Maybe Vinny and his talent scouting is the problem. The 80s NFL is long gone. The draft is more important now than ever. But, the one thing that remains a staple is you win in the trenches, period. if you get dominated in the trenches you lose. For 8 years we have lacked in both Lines. We are an average team, have been average, and we will not take that leap top the NFL elite until the Lines are given some kind of importance by this front office. Ignoring the Lines simply haven't worked. Patching the Lines with aging veterans hasn't worked. Building a Line in one mode, to run the ball, without emphasis on pass protection, hasn't worked. I advocate early draft picks on the Line because this is the new NFL and that is where some of the best talent lies. For example, Chris Samuels. Then again, we would become the new Detroit Lions and take more receivers.

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Good article, nice to see the shoutout to here

just a few errors I caught, not trolling, just know as a writer I like to minimize these

"Why do the Redskins struggled in games they shouldn’t and get beat bad by elite teams? "

should be struggle

"When do other fans start to sya that about us?"

say

"Your right. Exactly right. "

You're

"Could it be we have inferior lines that stop the rest form execution?"

from

"Do teams get convert third and longs on us because we only rush 4 and they can apply absolutely no pressure?"

Do teams convert*

not trying to nitpick, just some ones that stood out.. let me know if you prefer another avenue to receive these type of things (or if you don't care/would rather not)

anyways, great article and loved the last line

"Isn’t there such a thing as front office malpractice?"

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;506112]Thanks to theWarpath.net members for providing us some arguments.

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Woah, woAH, WOAH. You mean we aren't Elite?

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This is the easiest question ever:

Becaues we can't protect the passer and therefore can't throw downfield and we can't generate a passrush either from our front four or from blitzing, thus allowing other teams to stay on the field as long as they need to put up points.

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[quote=SmootSmack;506536]When are we going to stop acting like our Super Bowl teams of the 80s and early 90s was built on spending high draft picks on linemen (offensive and defensive). It wasn't. It was on developing consistency and unity over several years (which was significantly easier to do in those days). But the core players in the trenches did not primarily consist of high draft picks by the Redskins

Dexter Manley (5th round)
Charles Mann (3rd round)
Dave Butz (1st round-Cardinals; joined Redskins in 2nd season)
Darryl Grant (9th round)
Marcus Koch (2nd round)
Jumpy Geathers (2nd round-Saints; joined Redskins in 7th season)
Tim Johnsons (6th round-Steelers; joined Redskins in 4th season)
Fred Stokes (12th round-Rams; Joined Redskins in 3rd season)
Bobby Wilson (1st round; bust for all intents and purposes)

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)[/quote]

I have to say this is pretty good analysis. Still, what this tells me then is that the Redskins used to have better scouting than they do today because they were able to find talented players in the mid and late rounds of the draft...

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[quote=Drift Reality;507330]I have to say this is pretty good analysis. Still, what this tells me then is that the Redskins used to have better scouting than they do today because they were able to find talented players in the mid and late rounds of the draft...[/quote]SS also argues frequently that it's not like we don't have any talent on the defensive lines. Anthony Montgomery is like having a young Kris Jenkins (playing out of scheme and everything!), Kedric Golston is like having a young Corneilius Griffin, Corneilius Griffin is like having an old (and still largely effective) Corneilius Griffin. Andre Carter would start at DE for every team in the NFL. Demetric Evans would for most. A healthy Jason Taylor -- as bad as he is against the run -- would still start for most teams at DE. Even though a lot of our talent on the DL is aging, it's certainly there.

A line of Griffin/Alexander, Montgomery, Evans, and Jason Taylor isn't going to defend the run for long, so we've got to get Golston and Carter healthy fast.

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To a man, it is not an unimpressive group. However, we basically cannot bring the heat to the opposing Qb

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I disagree with the assessment that teams are just more talented than us. I like to argue that the "elite" teams have brought into the coaches systems more. Look at the Giants, Patriots, Colts, and Steelers all have tenured coaches with players that have brought into the coaches schemes. we will get better if we continue this aproach of keeping players and coaches

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[quote=GTripp0012;507338]SS also argues frequently that it's not like we don't have any talent on the defensive lines. Anthony Montgomery is like having a young Kris Jenkins (playing out of scheme and everything!), Kedric Golston is like having a young Corneilius Griffin, Corneilius Griffin is like having an old (and still largely effective) Corneilius Griffin. Andre Carter would start at DE for every team in the NFL. Demetric Evans would for most. A healthy Jason Taylor -- as bad as he is against the run -- would still start for most teams at DE. Even though a lot of our talent on the DL is aging, it's certainly there.

A line of Griffin/Alexander, Montgomery, Evans, and Jason Taylor isn't going to defend the run for long, so we've got to get Golston and Carter healthy fast.[/quote]

I agree. I think we do have some talented players on the defensive line however I don't think we have one player who is really a flat out beast like a Tuck at DE or a guy like Rogers in the middle.

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Drafting for the OL or DL is unglamorous; yet essential to the long-term success of the team.

The Redskins have had a long-term aversion of over 10 years to using premium draft picks for the trenches - as stated so well in this editorial. Our team's overall record over these years has reflected that neglect.

A good OL makes every QB and RB look better. A good DL makes every DB and turnover % look better.

I hope that Vinny/Zorn will bite the bullet this off season and draft for the trenches. We won't regret it, although the payoff doesn't happen overnight. Some modest FA acquisitions in both areas will also add to this philosophy change.

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[quote=A10sROCK;507393]Drafting for the OL or DL is unglamorous; yet essential to the long-term success of the team.

The Redskins have had a long-term aversion of over 10 years to using premium draft picks for the trenches - as stated so well in this editorial. Our team's overall record over these years has reflected that neglect.

A good OL makes every QB and RB look better. A good DL makes every DB and turnover % look better.

[B]I hope that Vinny/Zorn will bite the bullet this off season and draft for the trenches.[/B] We won't regret it, although the payoff doesn't happen overnight. Some modest FA acquisitions in both areas will also add to this philosophy change.[/quote]

I don't think we really have a choice at this point. I think we have to draft HEAVY in the trenches, particularly on offense.

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[quote=GMScud;507395]I don't think we really have a choice at this point. I think we have to draft HEAVY in the trenches, particularly on offense.[/quote]

You, I, Matt, Pennskinfan, Spence and most every other internet rat may believe that to the core. However, the real people who have to make that paradigm shift is Vinny and Zorn. It's very easy to go for the flash positions - as we have for a decade.

It's a lot harder to draft a 330 lb 2-gap DT in your #1 draft pick in 2009......

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[quote=A10sROCK;507399]You, I, Matt, Pennskinfan, Spence and most every other internet rat may believe that to the core. However, the real people who have to make that paradigm shift is Vinny and Zorn. It's very easy to go for the flash positions - as we have for a decade.

It's a lot harder to draft a 330 lb 2-gap DT in your #1 draft pick in 2009......[/quote]And we will get an eyeful of just such a player Sunday night versus Baltimore. If Haloti Ngata isn't the best D-tackle in only his 2nd season in the league, he will be shortly. The guy will probably add a year or two to Ray Lewis's career.

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[quote=Drift Reality;507363]I agree. I think we do have some talented players on the defensive line however I don't think we have one player who is really a flat out beast like a Tuck at DE or a guy like Rogers in the middle.[/quote]I'm just finishing watching the Giants game right now. I think Montgomery is going to be a hall of famer.

He's not a complete player yet (he's not great in space), but I think he IS an every down player.

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[quote=SouperMeister;507402]And we will get an eyeful of just such a player Sunday night versus Baltimore. If Haloti Ngata isn't the best D-tackle in only his 2nd season in the league, he will be shortly. The guy will probably add a year or two to Ray Lewis's career.[/quote]

When I look back at great players like Charles Mann and Dexter Manley I just wonder how we got away from going for those sort of trench players. Then we end up over-paying guys like Bruce Smith to play until they are 41 years old.......

I remember arguing with ppl on the WP website about Terrance Suggs [drafted by the ratbirds] and why we should draft him. When the OL and DL are good, the whole team will play well!

This team has drafted everything backwards for a decade.

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[quote=tryfuhl;507128]Good article, nice to see the shoutout to here

just a few errors I caught, not trolling, just know as a writer I like to minimize these [/quote]

I find great irony in that b/c TRYFUHL in its self is not a word. In fact seeing your name posted plays some weird mind game and I read it dylsexicly thinking it says "TRULYAWFUL" I don't know just wanted to share with ya'll

[quote=TheSmurfs22;506397][B]It is going to take us a few seasons to learn from the mistakes of our past, specifically in overspending for Free Agents [/B]and passing up on draft choices.QUOTE]

Now that is a voice of reason that I have been crying myself to sleep for far too long. Good thing GTripp is there to comfort me with ....

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;507404] [B]I think Montgomery is going to be a hall of famer.[/B]
He's not a complete player yet (he's not great in space), but I think he IS an every down player.[/quote]

I don't know whether to laugh or admit that Monty is essential for us to stop the run but its his TYPE of calibur we need to be a franchise guy, like WILFORK or Shawn Rogers.



[quote=diehardskin2982;507343]I disagree with the assessment that teams are just more talented than us. I like to argue that the "elite" teams have brought into the coaches systems more. Look at the Giants, Patriots, Colts, and Steelers all have tenured coaches with players that have brought into the coaches schemes. we will get better if we continue this aproach of keeping players and coaches[/quote]

No, agree with the assessment if you will. Talent than, really doesn't matter if its not executed. We might as well hang our hats on that our uniforms are clean and smell pretty on gamedays. There is no competition for being talented. Its Sunday or whatever day of the game how good is your product that is put on the field. Does that make sense? for the Giants,pats,colts,and steelers have coaches they stuck with is a choice all teams have. We are so dumb to change the formula and touch the wet paint that at the end of each year we need to cleanup again. I view talent as worth investing in we change it up so much maybe its b/c we haven't built winning players to be here and only look at the puzzle from 1 perspective. Cerrato's one eye that is crossed and Snyders i don't know - I think he just stares at himself in the mirrror all day repeating I am the F'N man.

Which is what I will be doing when I read below..at the sig....

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;507413]

Now that is a voice of reason that I have been crying myself to sleep for far too long. Good thing GTripp is there to comfort me with ....



I don't know whether to laugh or admit that Monty is essential for us to stop the run but its his TYPE of calibur we need to be a franchise guy, like WILFORK or Shawn Rogers.[/quote]I was being hyperbolic about the HOF thing, but yeah, he's ridiculously dominant on the interior, as long as we can keep him out of space, we'll be good. You pretty much have to throw screens to beat Montgomery as he doesn't feel plays well.

Problem is, he and Golston play the exact same position, so I don't think we're going to resign both after their RFA years. And if Blache is still the coordinator, I think Montgomery walks and becomes a pro bowl player elsewhere. Probably Jacksonville.

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[quote=GTripp0012;507414]I was being hyperbolic about the HOF thing, but yeah, he's ridiculously dominant on the interior, as long as we can keep him out of space, we'll be good. You pretty much have to throw screens to beat Montgomery as he doesn't feel plays well.

Problem is, he and Golston play the exact same position, so I don't think we're going to resign both after their RFA years. And if Blache is still the coordinator, I think Montgomery walks and becomes a pro bowl player elsewhere. Probably Jacksonville.[/quote]

Good call, GWIlliams did start Monty over Golston. Golston has lost stock to me this year. We need huge run stuffers b/c they pose as a being a problem even on run plays if we have a guy taken a double a blitzing MLB or LL can come shooting up the middle.

Thats why Ray Lewis Lobbied so hard for Ngata out of Oregon. He ate up double teams. Monty sort of demands that but with 2 fat boys we could cause some trouble. We need the PRE-Subway Jared to compliment Monty. I will patrole the neighborhoods in search.

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I could not agree more...
we have to start in the middle of the lines and work our way out. For the past 10 years, we've been consumed with obtaining the sexy players at skill positions...I'm convinced that if we spend an entire on the o and d-line, we'd be a better team. That clearly would have been the case this year. I hope we give it a shot.

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One reason the skins are NOT an elite team is the FO offseason approach for the last 10 years. they have tried to develop a team that wins now, with high priced free agents instead of drafting and developing talent...any good team has to be built on the OL and DL...they need to play together for a while to gel.

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[quote=charlielyons;507440]One reason the skins are NOT an elite team is the FO offseason approach for the last 10 years. they have tried to develop a team that wins now, with high priced free agents instead of drafting and developing talent...any good team has to be built on the OL and DL...they need to play together for a while to gel.[/quote]

We definitely need to make more improvements on the interior of the lines particularly, in my opinion. But the biggest issue isn't so much having the young talent on our roster, it's actually playing them consistently.

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the defense would be top notch if we could get a powerhouse DT..that would make the pocket collapse so the QB could not step up, which in turn would allow our ends to get more sacks.....the secondary is very good in my opinion, with little pressure as we get on the QB i think they do a great job in coverage for the most part

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[quote=GMScud;507395]I don't think we really have a choice at this point. I think we have to draft HEAVY in the trenches, particularly on offense.[/quote]
agreed

we have a great secondary which helps makeup for some of the inadequacies on the line.. we're consistently a top 10, and many times right around the 5 mark defense.. imagine what we'd be with a line that closed and collapsed pockets!

but at the same time, we can kinda ride out the secondary and get some great OL help.. our LB crew is getting older, but hopefully our young guys can step up in that role and we can maybe bring in another guy to groom to be the leader, if rocky doesn't become that guy

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It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen.

However, this last game was lost because Zorn seems to think he can recycle the same game plan week after week. This is the NFL. You have to come up with different stuff every week. I don't think the offensive coaching staff is working hard enough. We need more formations and more plays. We also need to start stealing other teams successful ideas. Randle-El, single wing, what are you waiting for Coach? Everyone complained about how Gibbs ran a 1991 offense. Well, we're runnng Bill Walsh's offense from 1981. Let's mix it up. Have a little fun. If we don't change this stifled approach, we won't win [I]any[/I] more games. If you come out throwing that quick slant against the Ravens, Moss will be dead and the Ravens will be running the other way with the ball. The jig is up with the short passes. Get over it and start doing something else.

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[quote=70Chip;507715]It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen.

However, this last game was lost because Zorn seems to think he can recycle the same game plan week after week. This is the NFL. You have to come up with different stuff every week. I don't think the offensive coaching staff is working hard enough. We need more formations and more plays. We also need to start stealing other teams successful ideas. Randle-El, single wing, what are you waiting for Coach? Everyone complained about how Gibbs ran a 1991 offense. Well, we're runnng Bill Walsh's offense from 1981. Let's mix it up. Have a little fun. If we don't change this stifled approach, we won't win [I]any[/I] more games. If you come out throwing that quick slant against the Ravens, Moss will be dead and the Ravens will be running the other way with the ball. The jig is up with the short passes. Get over it and start doing something else.[/quote]

What he said! that slant is the worse in football, it hurts everytime it comes out

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[quote=70Chip;507715]It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen..[/quote]

70 Chip, talk about late to the party......Is your next question going to be where is Patty Ramsey and why dont we start him??

Just kidding, I'm sure he recognizes talent other teams have. He just is a middleman merchandiser that pays top dollar for product trusting that the deep pockets and huge hearts of the fans to save his job with investing more and more capital in the redskin culture-clothes,media,and games.

In a revelation I just had, there was an elite team last year- the Patriots. They got showed up and had everything erased in the matter of a few minutes late in the super bowl.

I think most of our pain, let downs, and gullibilty comes from entertaining the idea of being an elite team. Its fantasy, not happening. To be elite you need to be non selfish from the top to bottom. Owner-coaches-players- and everyone else involved.

But who can blame our problems we obviously love it regardless. Our owner screws over the players annually changing coaches/systems giving good money to guys just to make them a pariah and bench them anyhow. Or we overlook the pride of the blue collar guys which ultimately are the heart and sould of any team and we sign some washed up veteran that is well known b/c the instant gratification of Hype is synonmous with what other teams covet in winning games. All in all we reward the owner and make him the most profitable team in sports. So actually and pervertedly so we prefer to be [B]sadist.[/B]


A tree is known by its fruit. and sadly we are wax and fake as hell.

I hope Zorn has a plan for the offseason b/c November began that period
(1-3)

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;507749]70 Chip, talk about late to the party......Is your next question going to be where is Patty Ramsey and why dont we start him??

[/quote]

Do we have a problem? I'm not understanding your point.

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I feel that we are on the right track thanks to Joe Gibbs. Every year we seem to jump the gun on wether we will be good or not. We have a new coach that has never been a head coach running the show and for his first year, he's doing well. We have enough talent on the defense and the offense to get it done. We just need to get everybody on the same page. Our defense has given up an average of 19 points; if our offense scores 21 points a game that they are capable of doing, we're looking at a 10 -2 record. Giants 16 Redskins 7, Saint Louis 19 Redskins 17, Dallas 14 Redskins 10

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[COLOR="Black"][/COLOR][quote=70Chip;507756]Do we have a problem? I'm not understanding your point.[/quote]


Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in [COLOR="DarkOrange"]different [/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]colors[/COLOR]and alternating in [SIZE="6"]size and [/SIZE] [SIZE="7"]shape[/SIZE] But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow:bdh: no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings:pimp:

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;507759]


Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in [COLOR=DarkOrange]different [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]colors[/COLOR]and alternating in [SIZE=6]size and [/SIZE] [SIZE=7]shape[/SIZE] But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow:bdh: no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings:pimp:

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

[B]Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.[/B]

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's[/quote]

Wow. That's gotta be one of the weirdest statements I've ever read on this board.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;507761]Wow. That's gotta be one of the weirdest statements I've ever read on this board.[/quote]

Saturday night on the Warpath getting CRAZY!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;507763]Saturday night on the Warpath getting CRAZY!!![/quote]

lol that's for sure. I gotta start signing on here late at night all the time.

Re: Editorial: Why the Redskins aren't an Elite Team
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;507343]I disagree with the assessment that teams are just more talented than us. I like to argue that the "elite" teams have brought into the coaches systems more. Look at the Giants, Patriots, Colts, and Steelers all have tenured coaches with players that have brought into the coaches schemes. we will get better if we continue this aproach of keeping players and coaches[/quote]



I think that the coaching carousel this franchise has become has hurt us in the long run. Norv had a nice shot at it and couldn't get the job done. Marty had the thing turned around, but wanted more power and Danny couldn't have that. Spurrier was a sexy pick with a gimmick offense that just couldn't work in the NFL as the defenses are just as fast as the offenses. Bringing Gibbs back might have been a mistake only in that everyone knew it wouldn't be for that long. The new coaches brought in their systems, assistants, and their qbs that they preferred. Sad thing is though I though he might just stick with Zorn just to reverse this trend, even if the WCO is a failure. I am not totally sold on the WCO working in the NFC East. It is an outdated offense in my opinion. It seemed everyone ran a version of it in the 80's and 90's, and that is one of the reasons many think other teams have figured us out. If Zorn is going to be succesful he has to fix his offensive scheme.