Until we have both an Offensive line and Defensive line we will suck....
 

We can't freakin' pass protect and we can't rush the passer. Nothing else matters if we can't accomplish either. The f'ing Ravens won that game in the first 5 minutes of that game. We suck.............

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Smart post, unfortunately ppl will continue to blame JC and ask for Colt to start.

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[quote=Ruhskins;509072]Smart post, unfortunately ppl will continue to blame JC and ask for Colt to start.[/quote]

I noticed most of the people calling for Colt are new to the site...

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I'm not new to the site( just because I don't post thousands of posts makes me new), nor to I call for Colt to start...I like Campbell....I said the lines need to be improved. I actually think Campbell would flourish if he had 2 seconds more to think. But with Jansen, Rabach, and Samuels in there, he doesn't have time to react.

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[quote=NY_Skinsfan;509087]I'm not new to the site( just because I don't post thousands of posts makes me new), nor to I call for Colt to start...I like Campbell....I said the lines need to be improved. I actually think Campbell would flourish if he had 2 seconds more to think. But with Jansen, Rabach, and Samuels in there, he doesn't have time to react.[/quote]

If you reread what RuhSkins said, he agrees with you and I was responding to his response about the people calling for Colt. Never said you.

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sorry, just really pissed off right now...you understand, right?

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[quote=NY_Skinsfan;509068]We can't freakin' pass protect and we can't rush the passer. Nothing else matters if we can't accomplish either. The f'ing Ravens won that game in the first 5 minutes of that game. We suck.............[/quote]With the offensive line, remember just how good the Ravens pass rush is.

Defensive line...I felt they played well today, but I'll reserve further judgement until I look at the tape. I didn't feel like we got outcoached on defense watching the game, that's for sure.

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[quote=NY_Skinsfan;509099]sorry, just really pissed off right now...you understand, right?[/quote]

Yup. I'm right there with ya. I'm tired of losing, for sure.

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Campbell's decision making hasn't been great lately. However, having Dlinemen, Linebackers, and two safeties grabbing your jersey during each throw makes thinking difficult.

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[quote=GTripp0012;509106]With the offensive line, remember just how good the Ravens pass rush is.

Defensive line...I felt they played well today, but I'll reserve further judgement until I look at the tape. I didn't feel like we got outcoached on defense watching the game, that's for sure.[/quote]

But the offensive line has been the issue all season.

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6-2, 1-4; weak

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My hat goes off to the Ravens for the way they draft lineman. They stold Gaither in the the fifth round in the supplemental draft, drafted Naga in the first and Grubbs in the first. Ossie Newsome has been great.

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[quote=Daseal;509111]Campbell's decision making hasn't been great lately. However, having Dlinemen, Linebackers, and two safeties grabbing your jersey during each throw makes thinking difficult.[/quote]


My only problem with Campbell tonight, was I believe, he threw at the feet on two passes, that could have been more productive. Otherwise, he did OK.

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I totally 110% agree our o line and d line suck , I just don't understand why we didn't get any of those big DT's when they were available and we should have drafted o-line with our 2nd round picks for sure...Teams are just teeing off on J Campbell...

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Just rushing 4 i understand the QB won't be sacked within 4 seconds, but damn, Flacco had all day! ALL DAY!

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it's sickening watching the O line just take the night off evrytime we have a night game ..everyone in the world that knows me calls and let's me know how much we suck...HOW F'ing embarrassing.......

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Why don't they let Jason Taylor stand up and rush from all over , seems like he's struggling with hands on the ground...

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[quote=NY_Skinsfan;509087]I'm not new to the site( just because I don't post thousands of posts makes me new), nor to I call for Colt to start...I like Campbell....I said the lines need to be improved. I actually think Campbell would flourish if he had 2 seconds more to think. But with Jansen, Rabach, and Samuels in there, he doesn't have time to react.[/quote]

I agree 110% Ive been calling for more bootleg calls or rollout, anything that will allow a few more seconds. And with the speed defenses (baltimore), I think a hurry up offense would keep some of these defenses guessing. We dont see any of these kinds of calls... My point is the play calling is not helping JC at all. We have to get him more time!

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The hard part of drafting for the OL and DL is that some of your picks are busts. Some take a year or two to blossom and make their impact felt.

The Redskins have taken the position of [B]not [/B]drafting OL and dL players for a dozen years. We have had one of the lowest win/lose records for that time period. I think this bad philosphy and our low number of wins - regardless of coaches - is related.

win in the trenches and you win football games. Vinny Cerratto and Zorn must change the Redskin draft strategy and make picks there.

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It sure would be nice to have a good, young DE to rush the passer, or some more depth on the o-line, both of which could have been accomplished in last year's draft. Instead, Vinny drafts not one, but 2 unproductive receivers, when the Skins only needed one unproductive young receiver.

But ok, you draft 2 receivers, b/c that was admittedly a position of need, now what to do with that other pesky 2nd round pick? Oh, I know, let's draft a TE, when we just signed our great young one to an extension, and we have a serviceable backup. That'll be great for all of those 3 TE sets that are so in vogue around the league these days.

The good teams (Titans, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, etc.) all generate a pass rush w/ their front 4, the Skins don't generate a pass rush period, and the o-line has become a revolving door. Someone please put Jansen out of his misery and send him to go hunt deer with his buddy Ramsey.

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[quote=Ruhskins;509112]But the offensive line has been the issue all season.[/quote]Yeah, I hear ya. But that doesn't mean they can't/aren't improving.

They are, at this point, very injured.

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[quote=VTSkins897;509146]6-2, 1-4; weak[/quote]

After the start we had, I was talking shit in the office, now i can barely show my face.

I live in New York. It's going to be tough tomorrow morning especially with a really good friend as a Cowboy fan.

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[quote=NY_Skinsfan;509177]After the start we had, I was talking shit in the office, now i can barely show my face.

I live in New York. It's going to be tough tomorrow morning especially with a really good friend as a Cowboy fan.[/quote]

Just talk shit about how Romo choked today. That smirk will fly off his face in a hurry.

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[quote=Rock Your Face;509175]It sure would be nice to have a good, young DE to rush the passer, or some more depth on the o-line, both of which could have been accomplished in last year's draft. Instead, Vinny drafts not one, but 2 unproductive receivers, when the Skins only needed one unproductive young receiver.

But ok, you draft 2 receivers, b/c that was admittedly a position of need, now what to do with that other pesky 2nd round pick? Oh, I know, let's draft a TE, when we just signed our great young one to an extension, and we have a serviceable backup. That'll be great for all of those 3 TE sets that are so in vogue around the league these days.

The good teams (Titans, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, etc.) all generate a pass rush w/ their front 4, the Skins don't generate a pass rush period, and the o-line has become a revolving door. Someone please put Jansen out of his misery and send him to go hunt deer with his buddy Ramsey.[/quote]

Can someone say DITTO....I totally agree.

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[quote=Bushead;509163]Just rushing 4 i understand the QB won't be sacked within 4 seconds, but damn, Flacco had all day! ALL DAY![/quote]
it was disgusting.. even if we got a guy past the line of scrimmage, the pocket stayed strong.. if some guy got to the outside on us, straight line to the qb

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[quote=DynamiteRave;509178]Just talk shit about how Romo choked today. That smirk will fly off his face in a hurry.[/quote]

Oh, I would have if we won tonight, but what's the point now!

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So far, the front office doesn't have the patience or discipline to draft OL/DL and rebuild this football team, which we desperately need. Oh and next year, no 2nd round pick, because of Jason Taylor ..

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[quote=heybigstar;509187]So far, the front office doesn't have the patience or discipline to draft OL/DL and rebuild this football team, which we desperately need. Oh and next year, no 2nd round pick, because of Jason Taylor ..[/quote]
no 4th or 7th either, kendall and james

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[quote=tryfuhl;509189]no 4th or 7th either, kendall and james[/quote]

So we're screwed for another two to three years. I like Moss, Cooley and even the new WR's. But without the O line they can't do shit with Campbell in such a hurry. I love CP but the dude's going to be hurt the second half of every season we have him unless he has the O line with holes he can run through.

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I love the way CP plays, but Zorn has got to do a better job spelling him throughout the season. The horse is out of the barn, so to speak, for this season, but going forward I think there needs to be more series or plays given to Betts from the word go. CP's heart and attitude are to be admired, but as you said, he's going to be hurt the 2nd half of every season the way things are now.

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We've tried to BUY a DL with expensive guys like Griff, Carter and Jason Taylor; and hope a an occasional fifth round draft pick will hit the jackpot. The problem with using FA in one area is that it makes your depth very thin AND you end up with older players who get hurt easier.

You also have the problem of expensive FAs who come here for the paycheck! They hit paydirt and throttle back to last longer. Remember guys like Dana Stubblefield, Bruce Smith, etc? Feel like Springs is easing up this season?

You've got to draft with some of your highest picks; pick up some modest FA talent [perhaps like E. James] and get the occasional big dollar FA. We've build our DL house with no foundation.

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Yahhoooo! so your telling me all we have to do is replace samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, griffin, taylor, carter and we are good to go in 2 years?


glad someone here has it figured out. hey guys just replace 5 guys on O and 4 guys on D!!! (oh by the way, do it 2 years or you gotta replace the qbs, wrs, rbs, cbs, lbs, safeties as well)

fu&&in awesome!!

damn its awesome to be a skins fan. atleast when we finally win one we, us true fans, will know the sweet taste of success. hard times only make us hungrier.

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For some reason this organization cant figure out that championship teams are built on their lines. Drafting WRs is much more exciting but they are not the foundation for building a winner.

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Is it just me, or did it seem like Campbell had more time to throw when Samuels and Jansen were on the side line?

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I've said it from Day 1, and I'll say it until I see otherwise - great teams are built from the inside out. When interior line play is addressed first, you can win with mediocre perimeter players, and you can be great with a few above average perimeter players. Drafting a bunch of receivers will be a waste until we get better play up front. On the defensive side, we've been Riggo drilled by the Cowboys, and now the Ravens when we needed our D to force a 4th quarter change of posession. We just are not very stout on either line, and will continue to be pushed around by the big boys of the NFL until Snyderato start to appreciate the importance of interior line play.

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Run, stop the run and pressure the qb. Nuff said

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[quote=irish;509247]For some reason this organization cant figure out that championship teams are built on their lines. Drafting WRs is much more exciting but they are not the foundation for building a winner.[/quote]

Man, you ain't kidding. When I think of all the WRs we drafted in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 it just pisses me off

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[quote=SmootSmack;509288]Man, you ain't kidding. When I think of all the WRs we drafted in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 it just pisses me off[/quote]
DON'T TALK THAT CRAP!!! You'll [B]Karma[/B] Matt Millen in here!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;509252]Is it just me, or did it seem like Campbell had more time to throw when Samuels and Jansen were on the side line?[/quote]
well samuels is playing with a bum leg, but jansen is a liability.....the offense line only allowed 2 sacks....they didnt totally stink it up last night...give the ravens a little credit for good play.

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[quote=Rock Your Face;509175]It sure would be nice to have a good, young DE to rush the passer, or some more depth on the o-line, both of which could have been accomplished in last year's draft. Instead, Vinny drafts not one, but 2 unproductive receivers, when the Skins only needed one unproductive young receiver.

But ok, you draft 2 receivers, b/c that was admittedly a position of need, now what to do with that other pesky 2nd round pick? Oh, I know, let's draft a TE, when we just signed our great young one to an extension, and we have a serviceable backup. That'll be great for all of those 3 TE sets that are so in vogue around the league these days.

The good teams (Titans, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, etc.) all generate a pass rush w/ their front 4, the Skins don't generate a pass rush period, and the o-line has become a revolving door. Someone please put Jansen out of his misery and send him to go hunt deer with his buddy Ramsey.[/quote]

Completely agree. I was so excited when we had those 3 picks in the second round thinking that maybe we had figured it out and was going to build thru the draft and have a great draft only to be disappointed with the fact we never even took one lineman with those top 3 picks. There was plenty of people on this site and elsewhere that thought it was a great draft and our lines were fine that are now coming around and realizing our lines are old and mediocre at best.

Hopefully Zorn figures this out and addresses the lines. Unfortunately I think Snyder and Cerrato get too caught up with the 'sexy' pics of the next great offensive weapon being available and can't help themselves.

Only a couple of QBs in the history of the NFL could win with average offensive lines, but many average QBs have won with great offensive lines.