I am venting on randy thomas
 

i honestly believe that he is the worst lineman on our team, including practice players........i cant believe joe bugel can look himself in the mirror and start this guy.......i have held off for the last 4 weeks, and we have crushed jon jansen all season. well i am going to point out that 77 is by far the worst olineman. he misses more blocks than anyone on that line, and how many times is he gonna run down field and whiff. he isnt the player he was before being hurt in the cowboy game in 05. he plays with very little heart. i fell i can say that based on what ive seen both in results and reactions. i know he is a good guy and people like him, and this post will catch flak. this guy looks so confused on every snap on who to block. its no wonder jon jansen looks confused at times because when they have tandem blocks he cant trust randy thomas to make a good decision or a good block to help the play work better. i havent been this upset at a player in years, after 4 weeks of his poor play i feel it was time someone say something about him instead of jansen, rabach, samuels, and kendell. one guy breaks down the whole line does......and i feel he is the leader of the pack based on what i have seen lately.

as a guest speaker at a football event for area coaches, he said "Why do you think i came to Washington? to get paid."---now i know this a childish thing to bring up and it was years ago and ended with a laugh....but i believe that is all he is doing now, showing up and picking up his pay check.......so i thought what he said was appropriate to bring up considering i am clearly singling him out.

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No doubt it is possible that you've watched ever broadcast and noted each time he misses a block, but I just don't know how you can tell these things on every single play without getting the wide view and dissecting tape with the players and coaches.

It's like saying Jason isn't releasing the ball quick enough. Since I only get to see Jason Campbell, I'm not exactly sure what he's seeing.

I just feel like this is one of those.

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Not sure, but I think you are wrong. I am not even sure why I think you are wrong.

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Jesus Christ I need a break from this garbage...:doh:

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Say what?

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Uhm. Ok. I'll run with it. Lets replace the whole line with younger, "healtier" linemen who are quicker and faster and maybe bigger to take on the bigger D-line. We'll just have to deal with them screwing up once and a while due to lack of playing time in the NFL and the speed of the game. Not to mention learning a new offense. but ....atleast we couldn't complain about not having younger guys on the field.

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He, like every other guy up front, isn't having his best year. And like every other guy up front, it looks like his best years are behind him.

Rabach is the true weak link to me.

Problem is, thanks to signing that sack-machine, Jason Taylor, we don't have nearly enough draft picks to even start re-assembling the O-line. And that's exactly what needs to happen -- apart from Chris Samuels, (and finding his replacement can't be put off too much longer) BOTH offensive and defensive lines need to be completely rebuilt.

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You'll get a very different performance from week to week from Randy Thomas. Perhaps 3 to 4 games this year, he's looked very lost. Other games, he seems pretty serviceable. Not the dominant player he was when he was pulling around on counters and blowing up ends and linebackers on the outside.

We're also not running a scheme that's to his physical advantages. He has often looked lost in run blocking, a big reason we can't run to the right. Where as every other lineman adapted to the new blocking schemes with ease, the transition is really killing Thomas.

Perhaps now is not the time to point out that Vinny just gave him an extension last offseason?

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Thomas missing blocks? You must be confused with whats going on next to him! Jansen and Heyer.

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GTripp:

You beat me to it. I was going to drop in here the fact that the Skins tied up Thomas for a long term deal. I thought it was two seasons ago but defer to you that it was last year.

Somehow, I don't think that's going to make a lot of people get a warm and fuzzy feeling...

For the record, I think Thomas and Kendall have played adequately this year. The OL problems seem to me to be the center and the two tackles more than the guards.

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I think Kendall has done extremely well as a late career vet who was disgruntled leaving the Jets. Kendall is money.

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Bugs said in preseason that our line looked very strong and was blowing guys off the ball. I guess he was watching our O line blowing our D line off the ball so it all now makes good sense.

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I don't see any problem with Randy Thomas specifically. Typically these kinds of things are contagious and there is no one true culprit. It seems like the whole line is tired and playing a step slower...let's face it they are old. I think Rabach has been the most penalized of the offensive linemen and i was noticing over the past few games that he is snapping the ball sooner than the rest of the linemen anticipate. That could be why the defenses look like they have a step on us. Also don't underrate the fact that we have played some really tough D-line/pass rushes over the past 5-6 games (Pittsburgh, NYG, Ravens, and Dallas)

Bottom line is that it's a systemic problem with everyone on the line.

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[quote=SBXVII;509634]Uhm. Ok. I'll run with it. Lets replace the whole line with younger, "healtier" linemen who are quicker and faster and maybe bigger to take on the bigger D-line. We'll just have to deal with them screwing up once and a while due to lack of playing time in the NFL and the speed of the game. Not to mention learning a new offense. but ....atleast we couldn't complain about not having younger guys on the field.[/quote]

Well that's what rebuilding will do for you....although I think we can come up with something in between I believe...a healthy Samuels, a more experienced Heyer and Rineheart, a good young free agent, maybe Pete Kendall (?), and a couple of good draft picks as back ups would be a nice option in rebuilding the line.

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ya i am not going to say randy is the weak link.the entire line is old which shows in there blocking they can run block(going forward making holes for portis)but when there trying to stop the pass rush there are no lanes for jason to throw and guys are in his face batting the ball down.

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It's not so much the line, as it is the attitude or lack thereof. And I think this is true of the entire team right now. No heart or attitude. It's really hard to pin point why, but it's almost as if they expect to be playing from behind. No swagger whatsoever. I'm not sure if that's a coaching issue or just a players no heart in it issue.

I know this is probably the wrong thread and not the best topic to bring up, but [B][COLOR=darkred]Sean[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=darkred]Taylor[/COLOR][/B] would always bring that spark when the team needed it most. Whether it was a jarring hit, an interception, or a touchdown. Hell, even a personal foul penalty. How many personal foul or roughing the passer penalties do we even have this year? Not that that's the measure, but I think you guys get what I'm trying to say. It's just too few and far between.

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Just to clear up my pesonal foul comment. I think there's a difference between guys making bone headed mistakes and going full-tilt or playing with some edge.

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They are all old and need to be replaced.

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I hope Rhinehart turns out to be a beast.

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samtskins:

If he is a beast, then he should [B]dominate[/B] the game against the Bengals - - whose DL is simply terrible. By the end of the game, the TV coverage should have him isolated on every other down so you can see him making a fool out of his opposition.


That is what a "beast" will do against the Bengals' D-Line.


Don't hold your breath...

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:soapbox:I'm sad to say that I agree with you! I watched as he didn't make it out of his stance on at least 5 occasions on Sunday... The line is not physical enough to make an impact and they do not strike fear in anyone's heart. You must have a presence and an identity.. What is that for this unit? What is it for this team? What has it been since this team was sold by the Cook Family?

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When a team starts to go downhill, it effects many of the players. No one wants to admit it but players will start to pull back some and save themselves for the next season, or the next team.

Many want to blow up the entire OL and DL, but we don't have the draft picks, or money to do that. Draft picks take a year or two to reach NFL level of play.

I think Randy Thomas may be serviceable for another year or so. We have bigger problems on the OL than him.

First Vinny / Zorn must decide if Buges still has the juice to coach at the NFL level. Then the OL coach, Zorn and Vinny will dissect the year's performance.

Rabach and Jansen are more on the bubble than Thomas.

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I agree completely!

I think this is bugels last season.

[quote=A10sROCK;510134]When a team starts to go downhill, it effects many of the players. No one wants to admit it but players will start to pull back some and save themselves for the next season, or the next team.

Many want to blow up the entire OL and DL, but we don't have the draft picks, or money to do that. Draft picks take a year or two to reach NFL level of play.

I think Randy Thomas may be serviceable for another year or so. We have bigger problems on the OL than him.

First Vinny / Zorn must decide if Buges still has the juice to coach at the NFL level. Then the OL coach, Zorn and Vinny will dissect the year's performance.

Rabach and Jansen are more on the bubble than Thomas.[/quote]

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Agreed. Thomas may be a weak link...... but the entire line is old. The skins need to draft O lineman and pick up some in free agency.

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i think bugels fault is that of a great old man, loyalty. he doesnt want to let anyone down even if they are not producing. hes a great coach, i compare great coaches with great prize fighters......they always have that one last great show where they show everyone why they were so great at one time win or lose, they show you....i think buges will do that over the last 3 weeks and into the playoffs. i would argue that randy thomas is our biggest problem on this line, we have heyer, for jansen whenever that transition occurs. we have rinehart for kendell. rabach has done a decent job, samuels is still the best we have......but who takes over for randy thomas.....this guy will let you down, he is confused in his assignments and i think you will see that if go back and look. something about his expressions and post game interviews and everything tells me he doesnt care.....i just dont see his spirit and will coming through in his play. but hey he will keep picking up those pay checks...i wish we could all be so lucky.

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With the line playing as shitty as it is, I don't think we could single out one player. If we could look, and say _____ is getting beat, and that's where all the pressure, and sacks are coming from, it would be different. Right now we are just flat out getting beat from all sides. When/if we get a solid line, then we'll see who is failing, and how much.

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id replace both thomas and rabach next year if possible. heyer in for jansen, i think heyer has a good future as he continues to learn. kendall should be good for another year imo, and if not i think rinehardt should be given a shot. samuels is good if healthy.

--samuels--kendall--C---RG----heyer--

with a first rounder, maybe take michael johnson from georgia tech (defensive end) and try to pick some guys up in the 3rd and 4th rounds for the o-line to develop. id look into free agency as well

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So Clinton being in the top 5 in rushing in the entire NFL is a fluke? Im not saying our line is all that BUT they must be doing something right. I dont think we need to run out and replace them all now! Do you see how much lineman are getting these days?! We have pretty cheap labor if you ask me. And I believe Thomas has given up the fewest sacks and is the least penalized on the line. There is PLENTY of enough blame to go around if you ask me and alot of it is stemming from the playcalling and coaching.

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Like I said in a previous thread, releasing Randy Thomas will be feasible around the next time Obama has to run for reelection.