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We could start one just to see how many would sign. We all know we need to get a 68,000 seater in DC anyway with a good home field sound design. But it better not be a DOME!!! Somebody want to start it on

petitionspot.com or I will if you guys think it's worth trying, it'd only take 5 minutes to write up.

The Ravens fans were able to do this

[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/3307d/petition.html]Rename Ravens Stadium In Honor Of The Late Johnny Unitas Petition[/url]

and get 60,000 verified signatures so let's see what the Redskins fanbase can do even if it wouldn't (99.9% chance) make a difference.

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Samtskins: I could definitely see the Redskins moving back to D.C., but lets look at what would have to happen.
1) We would have to find some way out of our lease at FedEx field. Don't expect them to just let the Redskins go without a very stiff penalty. Chances are there's something in the contract pertaining to this -- but it would be quite costly.
2) When the move to DC happened, chances are Snyder would finance his own stadium. This would bring in more profits for him in the future. He would definitely need a little help, but it wouldn't be owned by a large company such as FedEx. This is expensive, and in the current economy getting that help may be easier said than done.
3) Get it out of your mind that we would have an open air stadium. There's one thing besides a super bowl that Snyder REALLY wants. That is to host the Super Bowl. The NFL isn't going to have their annual business meeting in an open aired stadium, in DC, in January. That could lead to ice, snow, or rain -- and it would be cold. There's a pretty obvious trend for what stadiums get approved for the Super Bowl and what stadiums don't get approved. Mark it down, the next stadium the Washington Redskins play in will be a dome.

Long story short, unless fans are going to buy out the lease of FedEx field, and help directly finance the building of a new stadium -- don't expect your petition to do anything but roll off of Dan Snyder's back.

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Oh I know lol. I know it won't do anything. I just want to see how far we can take this. If the Ravens can get 60,000 we can get twice as much. Whynot give it a try since all it takes is 2 minutes from each person tos ign and 5 minutes from the creator.

Retractable dome, man this isthe NFC East, we can play outdoors!

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So you think you could get 120,000 sigs. but your going to need them to donate 2 million each to cover snyder moving cost. Moving to a new stadium and changing a name of a stadium are a little bit different.

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I don't get what the point of the petition is. Even if you got the amount of signatures you wanted and sent it to Snyder, he'd probably just use it for toilet paper.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;509989]I don't get what the point of the petition is. Even if you got the amount of signatures you wanted and sent it to Snyder, he'd probably just use it for toilet paper.[/quote]Snyder uses only the finest silks as to wipe his royal ass. Didn't you know that?

Is there a way to build a new stadium but limit it to like 60,000 seats, and make it so that season ticket holders need to take a test and yearly loyalty oaths before they get their tickets?

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Ok, guys. I'm not dumb, I don't expect him to one, even care about this, or two, just to pick up and move next season. It's really just saying we'd like to see our next stadium back in DC and sooner rather than later. I'm fully aware we are in a lease at FedEx Field and it will be time before plans to move back to DC can begin but this is just to see how many signatures we can get. Even if it wouldn't work, it'd be cool to see a petition with 100,000 saying we want back in Washington D.C.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;509989]I don't get what the point of the petition is. Even if you got the amount of signatures you wanted and sent it to Snyder, he'd probably just use it for toilet paper.[/quote]


"[B]I know it won't do anything. I just want to see how far we can take this.[/B] If the Ravens can get 60,000 we can get twice as much. Whynot give it a try since all it takes is 2 minutes from each person tos ign and 5 minutes from the creator."

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But who would EVER buy FedEx from Danny? He owns it, no? So he's going to take a bath on that. My guess is we're stuck in Landover. Just wish he'd friggin improve the stadium, especially the video and the concessions, which are just nasty.

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I didn't think Danny owned FedEx. I thought he leased it from some large developer.

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Jack Kent Cooke tried for ten years to build a new stadium in the District using his own money. The DC Government - under two different mayors - couldn't find a way to say "Yes, thank you." to that offer. They couldn't even find an acceptable piece of land to condemn so it could be built.

What makes anyone think all that has changed?

[B]IF[/B] Danny Boy builds a new stadium in this area with his own money, you can be certain it will have a dome or a retractable roof because that is the [B]ONLY[/B] way he will get a Super Bowl here in DC. And if you gave him truth serum and offered him this choice:

A. You have a new stadium AND you will have the Super Bowl here on a regular rotation (every 8 years at the worst)... OR

B. You can have the Redskins in the Super Bowl - - but no new stadium

I'm not sure which he would pick.

Jack Kent Cooke built this mausoleum of a stadium on the cheap and in a hurry so he could put his name on it before he died. [[I]How'd that work out?] [/I]Fifteen years later it looks like a building built cheaply and quickly - - but it rakes in cash hand over fist for it's owner - - Danny Boy.

I suspect no changes are coming unless the DC government comes up with some kind of sweetheart deal that would be a political nightmare in these recession times.

Bottom Line: Learn to love FedEx Field. You'll be seeing games there for many years to come...

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Daseal:

Danny Boy - - via the Redskins - - owns Fed Ex. Fed Ex pays him a yearly fee for naming rights.

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I'd like to see a petition to end petitions.

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[quote=JWsleep;510065]But who would EVER buy FedEx from Danny? He owns it, no? So he's going to take a bath on that. My guess is we're stuck in Landover. Just wish he'd friggin improve the stadium, especially the video and the concessions, which are just nasty.[/quote]

And put one of those "roofs" on it. The one that RFK had! Its get cold up there in the nose bleeds especially when its raining on you. And it gets quiet up there too. Putting a partial roof on it would be awesome!

As far as moving back to DC. Heck, I'd sign the petition! There is nothing worse in this world than having to drive through my city to get to the game...............or go across that GOSH DANG bridge! I freakin hate that bridge! Woodrow Wilson was by far the worst President this country has ever seen!!!! He builds a DRAW bridge on MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR HIGHWAY!!!! Not only that, but he builds it close to the water so people try to fish off of it! And as if all that wasn't enough...................He doesn't build a shoulder on it so some BUTTHEAD can decide to pull over, BLOCK THE LANE, and then act like he's going to jump. All of that just to get a "hug" by police officers. I can go on and on...................

So yeah! Putting the stadium back in the city...............I'm all for it!

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I'm almost ready to sign a petition to send them back to goddamn boston. :(

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[quote=Miller101;510247]And put one of those "roofs" on it. The one that RFK had! Its get cold up there in the nose bleeds especially when its raining on you. And it gets quiet up there too. Putting a partial roof on it would be awesome!

As far as moving back to DC. Heck, I'd sign the petition! There is nothing worse in this world than having to drive through my city to get to the game...............or go across that GOSH DANG bridge! I[B] freakin hate that bridge! Woodrow Wilson was by far the worst President this country has ever seen!!!! He builds a DRAW bridge on MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR HIGHWAY!!!! Not only that, but he builds it close to the water so people try to fish off of it! And as if all that wasn't enough...................He doesn't build a shoulder on it so some BUTTHEAD can decide to pull over, BLOCK THE LANE, and then act like he's going to jump. All of that just to get a "hug" by police officers. I can go on and on...................[/B]

So yeah! Putting the stadium back in the city...............I'm all for it![/quote]

Yeah the bridge is annoying...but you're being sarcastic here right? Please tell me you are. Or do you think Robert F Kennedy built RFK Stadium, John F. Kennedy built Kennedy Space Center, Ronald Reagan built Reagan National Airport?

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The biggest problem with allowing Danny to build a new stadium is that he'd probably want to give it a 100,000+ person capacity. If this year has proven anything it's that we're not good at filling up our own stadium with Redskins fans when the team is average at best.
Can you imagine how many more Steelers fans would have been at that Monday Night Game if the stadium could hold an additional 10 or 20,000 people?

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I think Jerry Jones having a new state of the art stadium will have Danny itching to follow suit very soon.

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I am against a new stadium of any kind! For one I already come from NJ and it will make my commute longer...especially having to get in and out of DC. FedEx is actually convieniently located along the Beltway. Second and most important a new stadium will come with PSL's and higher ticket prices. I could see non season ticket holders wanting a new stadium in DC but I don't see how a new stadium benefits season ticket holders at all.

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[quote=SmootSmack;510267]Yeah the bridge is annoying...but you're being sarcastic here right? Please tell me you are. Or do you think Robert F Kennedy built RFK Stadium, John F. Kennedy built Kennedy Space Center, Ronald Reagan built Reagan National Airport?[/quote]

Of course I'm being sarcastic. But, only to a certain extent! That bridge has woodrow wilson's name on it! So its still his fault! :)

Hey! Did you hear how they destroyed the old one? They had a contest. All you had to do was write down your worse story about driving over that GOSH DANG bridge. If you won the contest....................You weren't given money or prizes. You were given a detonator! And you had the great honor of blowing the crap out of THAT GOSH DANG BRIDGE!!!:headbange

Until the new one gets completed we're still going to have problems, but at least that old one is gone!

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[quote=Mattyk72;510082]I'd like to see a petition to end petitions.[/quote]


LOL...........:food-smil


How many times a year does this thread get started anyway?Snyder right now does not have the money to build his own new stadium,just check out Six flags.His(Cooks) agreement with PG county has at least another 10 years on it and to get out of it will cost a fortune.Yes I foresee the Skins moving back but not for a long time.The Giants and Jets are slitting the cost of their new stadium and it's still almost 2 billion,just how much will it be in 10 years?Oh, and what will you do with the old one?

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[quote=celts32;510293]I am against a new stadium of any kind! For one I already come from NJ and it will make my commute longer...especially having to get in and out of DC. FedEx is actually convieniently located along the Beltway. Second and most important a new stadium will come with PSL's and higher ticket prices. I could see non season ticket holders wanting a new stadium in DC but I don't see how a new stadium benefits season ticket holders at all.[/quote]

I feel your pain , the Giants fans are going through the same thing now!

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[quote=Giantone;510447]I feel your pain , the Giants fans are going through the same thing now![/quote]

Right, I live in North Jersey so that has a lot to do with where I am coming from. My wifes uncle had season tickets for most his life but had to give them up because they wanted a 20K lisence per ticket. My tickets are upstairs so a Redskins PSL would most likely not be that much for me, but anything is too much on top of the $2000 a year I already spend. FedEx Field is fine for me...why do I care how nice the stadium is or if it's in DC? Those who want a new stadium in DC ask yourself if Danny called and wanted you to pay him thousands of dollars to make it happen would you still want the stadium? I as one who would be asked do not...

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;510272]The biggest problem with allowing Danny to build a new stadium is that he'd probably want to give it a 100,000+ person capacity. If this year has proven anything it's that we're not good at filling up our own stadium with Redskins fans when the team is average at best.
Can you imagine how many more Steelers fans would have been at that Monday Night Game if the stadium could hold an additional 10 or 20,000 people?[/quote]
Well if you watched the Ravens game last week they had alot of Skins fans in the stadium. They did not stand out as much as the steeler fans did at our game but I'd say we had well over 10% in their stadium. It was real clear when Cooley caught his first catch and you heard real clear Cooooleeey on the TV. When I watched Dallas play the Cards back at the begining of the year for the first 1/4 I thought it was at Dallas. Then I noticed that the field was covered in Cards stuff and it was at their stadium. Its tough to fill a large stadium no matter what team you are and I also think Skins fans picked other games to attend because Sunday night games can be tough if you have to work the following day. So the Steeler fans took advantage of that by buy up a bunch of tickets.

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I am a Maryland resident, have season tickets to Redskins games and I hate FedEx Field. The team belongs in D.C. Anything that gets them back in D.C., short of a massive earthquake, is fine with me.

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Sure, the WASHINGTON redskins belong in WASHINGTON - but, I actually like FedEx. The large parking lots surrounding the stadium create a great gameday atmosphere. Getting in and out is not too bad, and 92,000 seats is always a plus. I'm not saying this just because I live in Maryland either, I'd probably be saying this if I lived in Mexico.

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SC -- Mayor Fenty wants the 'skins back in DC.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/01/25/ST2008012501443.html]Fenty Ponders Plan to Lure Redskins With a Stadium, Perhaps at RFK Site - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Spence;510556]I am a Maryland resident, have season tickets to Redskins games and I hate FedEx Field. The team belongs in D.C. Anything that gets them back in D.C., short of a massive earthquake, is fine with me.[/quote]

Okay...and assuming the pricing were similar to the giants it would be worth it to you to pay a $1000 to $20,000 per ticket PSL in addition to higher ticket prices so that the Redskins play in DC?

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[quote=celts32;510584]Okay...and assuming the pricing were similar to the giants it would be worth it to you to pay a $1000 to $20,000 per ticket PSL in addition to higher ticket prices so that the Redskins play in DC?[/quote]

Heck! I'd pay an extra grand just for big jombo trons to be put in the biggest stadium in the NFL! You've been to Fed Ex! You have to squint your freaking eyes just to see what the heck they're showing! Thats why they don't show those replays of "fumbles" or out of bounds catches or "was he down" because you can't see it any darn way so why bother!

And bringing the skins back to the city so I can get hammered at the game and then take an affordable taxi back home makes it worth it right there! I mean, have you ever tried to take a Maryland cab into Virginia? They don't even know what exit you're talking about! They don't even know what the "mixing bowl" is!!!!

Don't get me wrong, Fed Ex Field is nice. I've had some really good memories there, but the Washington Redskins belong in Washington DC.

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There is no way DS is going to spend his own jack for a new stadium especially considering the fact that the city built/paid for a stadium for the Nationals. With the economy the way it is I doubt DC council/resdents will be willing to pony up the $ for a new stadium. Besides, why would DS want to move? I doubt he cares whether they play in DC, MD, or VA.

As for a roof on FedEx. I recall reading a bunch of articles saying how DS has looked at various ways to get a roof on FedEx but the costs are so outrageous it just not economically viable.

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[quote=samtskins;510059]Ok, guys. I'm not dumb, I don't expect him to one, even care about this, or two, just to pick up and move next season. It's really just saying we'd like to see our next stadium back in DC and sooner rather than later. I'm fully aware we are in a lease at FedEx Field and it will be time before plans to move back to DC can begin but this is just to see how many signatures we can get. Even if it wouldn't work, it'd be cool to see a petition with 100,000 saying we want back in Washington D.C.[/quote]


Snyder will not ever think about going back to DC proper. Why would he? Outside of the White House, Capitol, Mall, DC almost rivals Detroit in being a shitty, dangerous locale. DC is the only city, other than Gary Indiana, that has ever unseated Detroit as the murder capital of America in the last 20 years. The only saving grace with Ford Field is that it is right across from the Wayne Co courts and Juvenille detention center and Greektown, the only safe spot in the city, as cops abound there.

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No thank you.

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[quote=Miller101;510586]Heck! I'd pay an extra grand just for big jombo trons to be put in the biggest stadium in the NFL! You've been to Fed Ex! You have to squint your freaking eyes just to see what the heck they're showing! Thats why they don't show those replays of "fumbles" or out of bounds catches or "was he down" because you can't see it any darn way so why bother!

And bringing the skins back to the city so I can get hammered at the game and then take an affordable taxi back home makes it worth it right there! I mean, have you ever tried to take a Maryland cab into Virginia? They don't even know what exit you're talking about! They don't even know what the "mixing bowl" is!!!!

Don't get me wrong, Fed Ex Field is nice. I've had some really good memories there, but the Washington Redskins belong in Washington DC.[/quote]

I hear you, but the needed improvements that FedEx field needs are no reason to cram a new stadium expense down the throats of the season ticket holders. You don't throw away a car that works becasue the tires are flat. If they can do it without passing any of the cost on to me then i am fine with it but that's not reality. And you said you would pay a $1000...I would pay that too if it came down to it but what if it were 5 or 10,000 per seat. I am not sure I could aford that and the thought of being forced out after waiting over 20 years for my tickets sucks.

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I've heard through the grapevine that people in DC's economic development staff are very keen on the idea, hence the WashPost article Daseal posted in this thread. I've also heard that it's just a matter of time and that the Danny ultimately wants to do it.

This is certainly a LONG term idea, not even a plan, at this point. But it makes sense for everybody if DS can get a good deal, seat #s, covered stadium, etc. I think the crucial question will be in the timing; by the time it could actually happen (at least 5-10 years) will DC have the leadership & economics to support it?

I think DS will be more than willing to leave fedex if the team continues to gain no advantage there. He's into his $, but he also wants to win badly.

As for those that think DC is a "dangerous" city, I bet you haven't been in a while or taken a look at the demographics lately. Though it has its rough spots, DC is no longer full of potential revitalization projects. So many neighborhoods have been gentrified and a lot of poor people have left for Prince Georges (not applauding this, just stating a fact). Its infrastructure is in pretty good shape, and the Metro is still a great public transit system.

Take a look at the trends in stadium/arena building; a lot of cities have rejuvenated areas by building facilities & then encouraging private entertainment around them. DC has done this w/the Verizon Center for the Wizards, who moved from where? ... ugly ass Landover.

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I'm sure people will correct me if I'm wrong here but alot of the value of the Skins is in the stadium that they own(real estate).DS would have to sell off Fed Ex but the value of the property will go down so if the Skins leave the area,kinda.... catch 22.He would need top dollar to 1) pay off PG county and the state for the infrastructure improvements 2) then pay D.C for property and more infrastructure 3) and for the Stadium it's self.DS is a wealthy man but 6 Flaggs is not doing well right now and what would you do with the old stadium,a new Mall was built right across the Beltway so it won't be that UM and the Ravens(have their own) or Navy won't touch it ...to much over head.

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Celts -- Fact is, if you don't want to shoulder the extra cost -- there are thousands upon thousands of others on the season tickets list willing to pay a bit more for tickets. Not saying it's good, but as long as he can still sell the seats, Snyder will be fine with it.

I full expect the Skins to be back in DC within the next twenty years, and that's a conservative estimate.

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[quote=Daseal;510865]Celts -- Fact is, if you don't want to shoulder the extra cost -- there are thousands upon thousands of others on the season tickets list willing to pay a bit more for tickets. Not saying it's good, but as long as he can still sell the seats, Snyder will be fine with it.

I full expect the Skins to be back in DC within the next twenty years, and that's a conservative estimate.[/quote]


They would'nt pay the money to see the Steeler game ,what makes you think the'll pay PSL's of around $20,000 a seat?

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[quote=Daseal;510865]Celts -- Fact is, if you don't want to shoulder the extra cost -- there are thousands upon thousands of others on the season tickets list willing to pay a bit more for tickets. Not saying it's good, but as long as he can still sell the seats, Snyder will be fine with it.

I full expect the Skins to be back in DC within the next twenty years, and that's a conservative estimate.[/quote]

Absolutely...I was just pointing out how a new stadium is not exactly a good thing for the season ticket holders. Hopefully when it eventually does happen I will be in a position to foot the bill.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;509991]Snyder uses only the finest silks as to wipe his royal ass. Didn't you know that?

Is there a way to build a new stadium but limit it to like 60,000 seats, and make it so that season ticket holders need to take a test and yearly loyalty oaths before they get their tickets?[/quote]

Tough to do but I like the idea, maybe set aside one endzone or some part of of for the ultimately dedicated fans where they gotta take a test, they do this in Europe a lot. I feel like a move is possible mainly because landover wants the land back.