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Dirtbag59 12-30-2008 11:54 PM

Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
In the interest of getting the 2009 offseason off on the right foot I figured I answer some of the more frequently asked question that have been brought up over the course of the last few weeks. Please feel free to add your own Q&A's.

[B]Q: I want Colt to be the starting QB.[/B]

A: Well that's not really a question but I'll humor you anyway. For the time being the Redskins plan on going into 2009 with Jason Campbell as the teams starting QB and even then the current plan is to stick with Jason throughout the year. This means Jason will get most of the reps in practice as well as the majority of work with the first team.

[B]Q: But I want a QB competition where Colt wins. Is that so bad?
[/B]
A: Not exactly. Your entitled to your own opinion. Of course when you suggest a QB competition you should hope that the player that plays best wins the job, never should you use an in camp competition to further an agenda. Personally I wouldn't mind a competition but my opinions don't really carry a whole lot of weight in Ashburn.

[B]Q: Is there any chance of Cowher/Shanahan[/B][B]/Williams/Lombardi/Phil Jackson being our coach in 2009?[/B]

A: No. Well I guess there's always a chance but at this point you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning. The team has publically stated that Zorn will be back in 2009, effectively bringing an end to any possibilities of the Redskins finding a new head coach.
[B]
Q: Zorn sucks at calling plays. Will the team hire an offensive coordinator?
[/B]
A: No, as it currently stands Zorn will call plays next year. So with that said the team will not search for an offensive coordinator unless Sherman Smith voluntarily steps down.
[B]
Q: Can we trade Clinton Portis? His trade value has never been higher.[/B]

A: This is nothing more then a pipe dream. For starters the front office holds Clinton in very high regard. On top of that the Redskins have restructured his deal so many times that it won't be financially feasible to release him until next year when his release would save the team $2 million against the cap. This is of course assuming the NFL and the Players Association renew the collective bargaining agreement. However as it stands now getting rid of Portis would result in $13 million in dead cap space as well $8 million against the cap.

[B]Q: I hate Vinny Cerrato?
[/B]
A: You sound unsure of yourself. That or you tried to disguise a statement as a question. Either way hate is a pretty strong word especially when your talking about a guy who isn't exactly an ex-convict. If your going to criticize Vinny you should go after him as a GM, not a person. From what I know Vinny isn't exactly a bad guy, in fact he seems like a pretty nice guy that also happens to be a good family man. If you hate Vinny Cerrato that much as a person then either you've met him or you need to find a hobby.
[B]
Q: The Redskins need a real GM. Will Snyder finally anty up and bring in a guy like Eric DeCosta?[/B]

A: Not in 2009. Like Campbell and Zorn, the team is committed to giving Cerrato a chance to prove himself. As a result Cerrato will call the shots this offseason.
[B]
Q: On my Madden Franchise I traded Los and Jansen for a top 10 pick. If I can do it in Madden then certainly the Redskins can do it in real lyfe?[/B]

A: I commend you on your virtual GM skills. However teams aren't exactly eager to trade draft picks for other teams cast aways and malcontents. Sure theres a chance the team trades Carlos this offseason for more draft picks, but don't be surprised when it's no higher then a third rounder, if that. Save the Redskins sweeten the pot, as in they add a couple of next years draft picks.

As for Jansen, well the chances of him being shipped off this offseason are unlikely. For starters Jansen is a little to young to be retiring, on top of that getting rid of Jansen would cost the team $6 million in dead cap space as well as a $3 million decrease in cap room that could be used to replicate the free agent frenzy that you were able to pull off in your Madden franchise?[B]

Q: Whoa, how do you know I waz spending lotz of moneis on Freeagentz?[/B]

A: Just a hunch.
[B]
Q: I found out how to fix the Redskins. We sign Albert Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, Julius Peppers, and Terrell Suggs. What do you think? [/B]

A: While your enthusiasm is much appreciated the chances of the Redskins signing all of them is extremely slim and while it's possible that the Redskins will sign one of those players the fact remains that they don't have nearly enough cap room to commit to such a spending spree.

[B]Q: But I heard that this offseason will be uncapped?
[/B]
A: As it currently stands the Collective Bargaining agreement ends after this season, meaning 2010 would be the uncappped year, of course thats assuming the NFL doesn't renew the CBA.

[B]Q: How many draft picks do we have this year? [/B]

A: Four at the moment. To my knowledge we still have our 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 6th.

[B]Q: What happened to our 2nd, 4th, and 7th round picks?
[/B]
A: Our 2nd was traded for Jason Taylor. Our fourth now belongs to the Jets in exchange for the services of LG Pete Kendall whom we acquired in 2007. The 7th round pick was originally a conditional pick that hinged on former Viking Erasmus James making the 53 man roster. The condition was met despite Erasmus James Being released this month.

[B]Q: Lol?
[/B]
A: Rofl.

MTK 12-30-2008 11:58 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
lol nice job, this should be fun to build on

GMScud 12-31-2008 12:39 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;516796]

Q: What happened to our 2nd, 4th, and 7th round picks?
A: Our 2nd was traded for Jason Taylor. Our fourth now belongs to the Jets in exchange for the services of LG Pete Kendall whom we acquired in 2007. [B]The 7th round pick was originally a conditional pick that hinged on former Viking Erasmus James making the 53 man roster. The condition was met despite Erasmus James Being released this month.
[/B]
Q: Lol?
A: Rofl.[/quote]

Considering Rock Cartwright and Chris Horton were both 7th rounders, that's a big ROLF.

The Goat 12-31-2008 01:01 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[B]Q: I found out how to fix the Redskins. We sign Albert Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, Julius Peppers, and Terrell Suggs. What do you think?

A: While your enthusiasm is much appreciated the chances of the Redskins signing all of them is extremely slim and while it's possible that the Redskins will sign one of those players the fact remains that they don't have nearly enough cap room to commit to such a spending spree.
[/B]

I'm gonna say we don't get any of these guys. D-line will not be addressed IMO. Taylor is going to return (restructured) along w/ Evans, who seems to stay healthy better than any d-lineman we've got, and AC. The interior stays the same as well. OLB will be addressed most likely through the draft because Marcus stays.

djnemo65 12-31-2008 02:05 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
Really well done. I wonder how many people on here are going to debate your faq without realizing the joke's on them...

724Skinsfan 12-31-2008 09:21 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
HAHA! This thread should be stickied. Seriously (hopefully) will cut down on the number of entries in the Most Absurd Thread Of The Offseason contest.

30gut 12-31-2008 10:16 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;516796]

[B]Q: I want Colt to be the starting QB.[/B]

A: Well that's not really a question but I'll humor you anyway. For the time being the Redskins plan on going into 2009 with Jason Campbell as the teams starting QB and even then the current plan is to stick with Jason throughout the year. This means Jason will get most of the reps in practice as well as the majority of work with the first team.

[B]Q: But I want a QB competition where Colt wins. Is that so bad?
[/B]
A: Not exactly. Your entitled to your own opinion. Of course when you suggest a QB competition you should hope that the player that plays best wins the job, never should you use an in camp competition to further an agenda. Personally I wouldn't mind a competition but my opinions don't really carry a whole lot of weight in Ashburn.
[/quote]
Good post DB.
I don't know why some fans keep clamoring for Colt.
Zorn a noted and respected QB guru has flat out said that Colt has alot
of work to do before he'll be ready.
And although there wasn't an open competition last training camp, it was
obvious to everyone present that Campbell looked far better then Collins or
Colt.
Even the sports writers that sometimes bash Campbell will admit that fact.
:doh:

53Fan 12-31-2008 01:28 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;516796]In the interest of getting the 2009 offseason off on the right foot I figured I answer some of the more frequently asked question that have been brought up over the course of the last few weeks. Please feel free to add your own Q&A's.



Q: Whoa, how do you know I waz spending lotz of moneis on Freeagentz?[/B]

A: Just a hunch.
[B]
Nice post Dirtbag. I remember when Snyder was catching all kinds of crap for trying to buy a Super Bowl contender instead of building through the draft. Wasn't that long ago.

gibbsisgod 12-31-2008 01:36 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
I would rather have Dirtbag A my Q's.

[B]Is that alright with you DB?[/B]

eye_h8_dallas 12-31-2008 06:10 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
I would have posted this on a more appropriate thread, but unfortunately it has been closed...I watched Vinny Cerrato's press conference today and couldn't help but notice (it was glaringly obvious) that he must have done some scarface sized lines (coke) before the conference. If you don't believe me, watch it. I have worked in bars and hung around enough musicians for years and definitely know a coke-head when I see one. It didn't even seem like he was trying to hide it. Things to watch for:

*constant sniffling throughout the press conference (not reminiscent of congestion associated with allergies or a cold)

*glaring, glassy eyes

*subtle but still noticeable grindding of teeth

*manner of speaking associated with a considerable coke high.

Just wondered if anyone else noticed. I was beside myself with laughter because it just seemed so obvious.

Trample the Elderly 12-31-2008 07:02 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;516796]In the interest of getting the 2009 offseason off on the right foot I figured I answer some of the more frequently asked question that have been brought up over the course of the last few weeks. Please feel free to add your own Q&A's.

[B]Q: I want Colt to be the starting QB.[/B]

A: Well that's not really a question but I'll humor you anyway. For the time being the Redskins plan on going into 2009 with Jason Campbell as the teams starting QB and even then the current plan is to stick with Jason throughout the year. This means Jason will get most of the reps in practice as well as the majority of work with the first team.

[B]Q: But I want a QB competition where Colt wins. Is that so bad?
[/B]
A: Not exactly. Your entitled to your own opinion. Of course when you suggest a QB competition you should hope that the player that plays best wins the job, never should you use an in camp competition to further an agenda. Personally I wouldn't mind a competition but my opinions don't really carry a whole lot of weight in Ashburn.

[B]Q: Is there any chance of Cowher Being our coach in 2009?[/B]

A: No. Well I guess there's always a chance but at this point you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning. The team has publically stated that Zorn will be back in 2009, effectively bringing an end to any possibilities of the Redskins finding a new head coach.
[B]
Q: Zorn sucks at calling plays. Will the team hire an offensive coordinator?
[/B]
A: No, as it currently stands Zorn will call plays next year. So with that said the team will not search for an offensive coordinator unless Sherman Smith voluntarily steps down.
[B]
Q: Can we trade Clinton Portis? His trade value has never been higher.[/B]

A: This is nothing more then a pipe dream. For starters the front office holds Clinton in very high regard. On top of that the Redskins have restructured his deal so many times that it won't be financially feasible to release him until next year when his release would save the team $2 million against the cap. This is of course assuming the NFL and the Players Association renew the collective bargaining agreement. However as it stands now getting rid of Portis would result in $13 million in dead cap space as well $8 million against the cap.

[B]Q: I hate Vinny Cerrato?
[/B]
A: You sound unsure of yourself. That or you tried to disguise a statement as a question. Either way hate is a pretty strong word especially when your talking about a guy who isn't exactly an ex-convict. If your going to criticize Vinny you should go after him as a GM, not a person. From what I know Vinny isn't exactly a bad guy, in fact he seems like a pretty nice guy that also happens to be a good family man. If you hate Vinny Cerrato that much as a person then either you've met him or you need to find a hobby.
[B]
Q: The Redskins need a real GM. Will Snyder finally anty up and bring in a guy like Eric DeCosta?[/B]

A: Not in 2009. Like Campbell and Zorn, the team is committed to giving Cerrato a chance to prove himself. As a result Cerrato will call the shots this offseason.
[B]
Q: On my Madden Franchise I traded Los and Jansen for a top 10 pick. If I can do it in Madden then certainly the Redskins can do it in real lyfe?[/B]

A: I commend you on your virtual GM skills. However teams aren't exactly eager to trade draft picks for other teams cast aways and malcontents. Sure theres a chance the team trades Carlos this offseason for more draft picks, but don't be surprised when it's no higher then a third rounder, if that. Save the Redskins sweeten the pot, as in they add a couple of next years draft picks.

As for Jansen, well the chances of him being shipped off this offseason are unlikely. For starters Jansen is a little to young to be retiring, on top of that getting rid of Jansen would cost the team $6 million in dead cap space as well as a $3 million decrease in cap room that could be used to replicate the free agent frenzy that you were able to pull off in your Madden franchise?[B]

Q: Whoa, how do you know I waz spending lotz of moneis on Freeagentz?[/B]

A: Just a hunch.
[B]
Q: I found out how to fix the Redskins. We sign Albert Haynesworth, Jordan Gross, Julius Peppers, and Terrell Suggs. What do you think? [/B]

A: While your enthusiasm is much appreciated the chances of the Redskins signing all of them is extremely slim and while it's possible that the Redskins will sign one of those players the fact remains that they don't have nearly enough cap room to commit to such a spending spree.

[B]Q: But I heard that this offseason will be uncapped?
[/B]
A: As it currently stands the Collective Bargaining agreement ends after this season, meaning 2010 would be the uncappped year, of course thats assuming the NFL doesn't renew the CBA.

[B]Q: How many draft picks do we have this year? [/B]

A: Four at the moment. To my knowledge we still have our 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 6th.

[B]Q: What happened to our 2nd, 4th, and 7th round picks?
[/B]
A: Our 2nd was traded for Jason Taylor. Our fourth now belongs to the Jets in exchange for the services of LG Pete Kendall whom we acquired in 2007. The 7th round pick was originally a conditional pick that hinged on former Viking Erasmus James making the 53 man roster. The condition was met despite Erasmus James Being released this month.

[B]Q: Lol?
[/B]
A: Rofl.[/quote]

So do we get a seventh or not? I like this post it makes a lot of sense to me. It is basically saying we can expect more of the same. Answer this, entertain me if you will . What can we expect the Redskins to do in the off-season besides signing aging mercenaries? What do you see us doing in the draft. I see another 8-8 season coming plus or minus one to two games. You seem to have your stuff together when it comes to the salary. How about this scenario? Could we trade our 1st and 3rd picks for more picks next year and just try to put a band aid on our O and D line by bringing in a lot of undrafted guys? Would that make sense or am I being optimistic? Could we trade a so-called star for some picks?

Dirtbag59 12-31-2008 07:22 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
Thanks for the compliments guys, the funny thing is most of the real answers I got were from the guys on this site. Especially details concerning salaries, the CBA, Front office politics, and draft picks. In fact pretty much all the information I posted relating to money is courtesy of our resident cap expert Schneed including details relating to the CBA. All I did was highlight some of the more relevant points.

Anyway GibbsisGod if you want me or anyone else to answer any questions then hopefully this thread can serve as a platform for answering simple questions.

As with this thread I just decided to stick to the simpler questions that had had the smallest amount of a gray area so as far as what the Redskins plan to do this offseason exactly, well I couldn't say in any certain terms. Hell I'm still waiting to get a little more information on the prospects in this years draft but so far my current favorites are Michael Oher (OT, Ole Miss), Rey Maualuga (ILB, USC), Gerald McCoy (DT, Oklahoma), James Laurinaitis (ILB, Ohio State), Sen'Derrick Marks (DT, Auburn), Duke Robinson (G, Oklahoma), and Alex Mack (C, California) one of many prospects brought to my attention by fellow posters. Hopefully we find a way to come away with 1 or 2 of those guys.

rypper11 01-01-2009 10:29 AM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;517004] Hell I'm still waiting to get a little more information on the prospects in this years draft but so far my current favorites are Michael Oher (OT, Ole Miss), Rey Maualuga (ILB, USC), Gerald McCoy (DT, Oklahoma), James Laurinaitis (ILB, Ohio State), Sen'Derrick Marks (DT, Auburn), Duke Robinson (G, Oklahoma), and Alex Mack (C, California) one of many prospects brought to my attention by fellow posters. Hopefully we find a way to come away with 1 or 2 of those guys.[/quote]
I really want Aaron Curry. If he projects to spots 5-10 after the combine I'd want to trade up for him. He is the most complete LB I have ever seen.

Redskin Warrior 01-01-2009 01:13 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
Oh yes, Mr. Dirtbag I'm Redskin Warrior from the Warpath forum quick two part question sir

What are the odds that Todd Collins will be a Redskin next year? If so will Todd Collins beat Campbell out for his job in 2009?

Trample the Elderly 01-01-2009 02:06 PM

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That's a good question. Personally without the salary knowledge I couldn't say? I can see only one good reason to keep Collins and that's because he's more experienced than Colt. I'm not trying to answer your question. I just wanted to throw my two cents in because I think it's a good question too.
The FO is not sold on Campbell or he'd have a contract by now. They've already brought a lot of quarterbacks in already to try them out. I can't see Collins there much longer perhaps another year or two max. It just wouldn't make sense to me?

Hail to the Redskins 01-01-2009 02:10 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
This may sound nutty... but what about UFA QB Jeff Garcia?

I don't think he'll want to stay in football as a backup, but he DEFINITELY knows the West Coast Offense and had a solid year again this year.

Todd Collins knew Al Saunders offense inside and out due to being it in for so long. In preseason he didn't look sharp at all in Zorn's WCO... just throwing Garcia out there...

Darrell_Green_28 01-01-2009 02:12 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
Ok then just curious then. Campbell will be #1 QB , will Colt move to 2 and we let Collins go or what? anyone have any thoughts or heard any rumors on how this will come out?

FRPLG 01-01-2009 04:06 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
Why would we get rid of Collins? Tis time last year half of us wanted him to be our permanent starter. What has he done since that would make us cut him? And for the rcord don't just say Colt Brennan. Whether Collins stays has little to do with CB.

Dirtbag59 01-02-2009 07:17 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=FRPLG;517124]Why would we get rid of Collins? Tis time last year half of us wanted him to be our permanent starter. What has he done since that would make us cut him? And for the rcord don't just say Colt Brennan. Whether Collins stays has little to do with CB.[/quote]

I had heard a little birdie say that Senneca Wallace could be available this offseason but that only seems to be nothing more then an internet rumor but if it came down to it I would rather have Wallace then Collins. Still the position of our bottom two Quarterbacks should at least be based on preseason preformance similar to the way Collins was able to pass Brunell on the depth chart following the 2007 preseason. Though last year during preseason I wasn't to impressed with Collins even though his numbers tell me he didn't do nearly as bad as I thought he did.

[quote=Redskin Warrior;517075]Oh yes, Mr. Dirtbag I'm Redskin Warrior from the Warpath forum quick two part question sir

What are the odds that Todd Collins will be a Redskin next year? If so will Todd Collins beat Campbell out for his job in 2009?[/quote]

I'd say close to 90% but then again I'm just a fan like anyone else. Basically so far the front office has shown no desire to part with Collins in fact I take their silence as a way of them saying we're not going to do anything at the QB position this year short of Peyton Manning getting released and saying that he wants to be a Redskin even if it means taking the vet min. However in the meantime all I know is the team plans on training Campbell this offseason as the starting QB meaning he'll probably get about 75% of the attention including time with the coaches and practice reps.

Now Redskin Warrior if you'll please post again as your 666 post count is making me very uncomfortable.

[quote=djnemo65;516809]Really well done. I wonder how many people on here are going to debate your faq without realizing the joke's on them...[/quote]

If my history on this forum is any indication then more then a handful will not understand the parts meant to be humorous. Smootsmack will atest to this.

[quote=rypper11;517052]I really want Aaron Curry. If he projects to spots 5-10 after the combine I'd want to trade up for him. He is the most complete LB I have ever seen.[/quote]

I'm actually really excited to see the scouts break him down this offseason. As like most fans I don't really pay attention to college players outside of a few big names that are drilled into my head before the season. For the most part the few guys I followed this college season where Knowshawn Moreno, Matt Stafford, Michael Johnson, Taylor Mays, Rey Maluga, Fila Mora, Sam Bradford, Percy Harvin, Michael Crabtree, Tim Tebow etc. In fact most of the information I find about prospects come's in the two or three months leading up to the draft when the scouting reports become more detailed.

As far as Aaron Curry goes I found it hillarious that in scouts inc profile of him they gave him a rating of 3 for character (1 being the best) which I found ironic not only considering that Wake Forest is anal about bringing in players with high character but the reason they cited seemed extremely minor. Also found it funny that BJ Raji got a 4 for taking a swing at a player during a game. Apparently missing one class is a step below taking a swing at someone
[I]
"Wake Forest didn't start Curry in the 2007 Navy game because he missed a class earlier in the week[/I]"

markymark 01-10-2009 01:23 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
so out of the guys you said we should sign via free agency who would be your top 2 to get?

Dirtbag59 01-10-2009 03:57 PM

Re: Dirtbag's 2009 Offseason FAQ
 
[quote=markymark;519394]so out of the guys you said we should sign via free agency who would be your top 2 to get?[/quote]

I'm not sure I'm set on a top 2 but I'm sold on getting Jordan Gross. As for a second free agent, I think I'll play close to the vest and hope the team goes after Karlos Dansby as getting him would allow us to focus on DT as well as a Guard and Center in the draft. The funny thing is apparently Michael Lombardi has heard the team covets Gross and they'll open their wallets wide to bring him to Washington.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/notes-from-lombardi-4/]The National Football Post | Notes From Lombardi[/url]

Also JLC claims the team is looking for a homerun hitter at tailback. If thats the case then hopefully they could get Sproles in at a reasonable price but a nice cheap alternative might be JJ Arrington as Arrington, like most Running Backs, Arrington struggled behind Arizona's line. At one point the guy was considered the answer at tailback for Arizona and was a highly regarded prospect coming out of college.

If you guys remember Thomas Jones was a bust untill he got to a team with a decent line in Tampa. Afterwards he was able to truly break out while he was in his second season with the Bears so Arrington might be a pretty intriguing choice for a tailback with breakaway speed.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/profile?id=JON755755"]Thomas Jones[/URL]

J.J. Arrington
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
[B]Grade:[/B] 59 | [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209"]Key[/URL]
[B]Alert:[/B] None

[B]Comment: [/B]Arrington is a good-sized running back with great workout numbers. Unfortunately, his numbers don't translate to the football field. He has excellent straight-line speed and can accelerate through the hole with a good burst. He can stop and reverse field quickly. He runs with balance and body control. His vision is questionable because he will leave his blockers behind or run up his blocker's backs at times. He does not appear to see past the first level very well. He wants to try and bounce things to the outside way too often and needs to run a lot more aggressively on inside runs. He has trouble getting around the corner before the pursuit and often looks like he does not trust his own physical tools. He catches the ball well enough, but does not run great routes. If the ball is thrown outside of his frame or he has to adjust to the ball, he will struggle making the catch. He is not instinctive when he stays in for pass pro and needs to work on his blocking. Arrington is getting to the stage of his career where he needs to start showing more because James is getting on in years and needs someone who can spell him more often
------------------------------------------------------------------
The only second day guy that caught my eye at tailback int his years draft is Devin Moore from Wyoming who currently grades right now as a late third early fourth round prospect. The part that caught my eye about him was his explosiveness rating. Remember a rating of 1 means exceptional in Scouts grading system.

[quote]
[B]Explosiveness: 1
[/B]Quick around the corner, hits the second level quickly and difficult to catch from behind[/quote]In fact Moore was the only guy I could find that Scouts said would be difficult to catch from behind. Most of the other profiles are filled with guys that are fast but still lack a second gear.


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