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Interesting article from the Rocky Mountain News .

[url=http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/31/redskins-cerrato-wouldnt-win-mr-popularity/]Redskins' Cerrato wouldn't win Mr. Popularity : NFL : The Rocky Mountain News[/url]

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Well let me ask you ....who on earth calls a presser then basically says nothing of imprtance? Vinnie. You call a presser if you have something of relevance to say. You don't call a presser to say "Nothing new folks. Just wanted to say the team will be evaluating the year." "Thanks and have a great break." WTF? Can you imagine the President doing that.....lol. It would seem like something out of Mad TV. LOL. .....

Pres: "Hi folks, just wanted to see how fast you could mobilize. We'll be evaluating
the yr." "Have a pleasant evening."

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here we go again!

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Vc is to terrible as Syder is to rich.

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I like him. I really don't get the vitriol towards him.

He's kind of a bozo personality-wise, but I couldn't care less about that. Bottom line was I liked his use of draft picks last year and I still like them today. WRs take a long time to develop in the NFL, you can't pass judgment on them until their 3rd NFL season. And he's right in saying that if they can't stay healthy then they can't produce. The key will be can they get and stay healthy, and then can they accelerate the learning curve. I have high hopes for Kelly, while Thomas I could see as a Devery Henderson deep-threat only type.

I loved the Rinehart pick and still do. Dockery didn't start for us his rookie year until he was forced into action by injuries to the guards. This time, the injuries happened to our tackles, and we had other depth (Heyer) to handle that. I still see Rinehart developing into a solid starter for us.

Tryon's a turd, but Moore is serviceable as a depth guy (and brings huge hits) and Horton is a starter for 10 years. It's absurd to hang Vinny because his draft class didn't deliver in year 1. You have to give him more time than that.

I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent. We just can't expect this incoming class to make an immediate impact - people have to realize that's the exception not the rule.

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[quote=Schneed10;517036]I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent.[/quote]

I understand how, in theory, taking the best available player ultimately makes for a better, deeper roster. Yet we are really hurting in the lines - the OL in particular.

I'd like to know how VC plans to fix that if targeting linemen in the draft isn't the plan. To me, that is his critical task for the off-season.

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[quote=Schneed10;517036]I like him. I really don't get the vitriol towards him.

He's kind of a bozo personality-wise, but I couldn't care less about that. Bottom line was I liked his use of draft picks last year and I still like them today. WRs take a long time to develop in the NFL, you can't pass judgment on them until their 3rd NFL season. And he's right in saying that if they can't stay healthy then they can't produce. The key will be can they get and stay healthy, and then can they accelerate the learning curve. I have high hopes for Kelly, while Thomas I could see as a Devery Henderson deep-threat only type.

I loved the Rinehart pick and still do. Dockery didn't start for us his rookie year until he was forced into action by injuries to the guards. This time, the injuries happened to our tackles, and we had other depth (Heyer) to handle that. I still see Rinehart developing into a solid starter for us.

Tryon's a turd, but Moore is serviceable as a depth guy (and brings huge hits) and Horton is a starter for 10 years. It's absurd to hang Vinny because his draft class didn't deliver in year 1. You have to give him more time than that.

I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent. We just can't expect this incoming class to make an immediate impact - people have to realize that's the exception not the rule.[/quote]

I don't "know" Vinny Cerrato. So it's impossible for me to say whether I "like" him or not. I can only go by his results as the director of player personnel, executive vice president of football operations, or whichever title he has had in his tenure with this team.

66-78. That's the overall record of this team under Dan Snyder's ownership and Vinny Cerrato's guidance with personnel -- however you choose to describe his official status. We can all see what that record is. Yes, we have a couple of last place wild card appearances. But those were against incredible odds when all seemed lost or with the backdrop of immense tragedy. Both coincidentally, came under the leadership of Joe Gibbs, without whom those playoff spots may never have happened under any other coach.

Regardless, this organization has been mired in mediocrity or downright failure. And there's an alarmingly large number of fans who accept it, defend it, and fall for the promises of "next year".

And this year's draft? It's shaping up to be like all the rest. Our rookie wideouts have an ironclad defense other rookies don't seem to require -- they're rookies, so we have to give them time. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Donnie Avery all prove that rule to be complete bullshit. That's an excuse that bad teams use. Yes, there are the occasional hits: Golston, Montgomery, Cartwright, Horton. But those types of players are taken with far more regularity among the teams that are successful. I don't see how anyone can "love" Chad Rinehart. You can love the idea of finally picking an offensive lineman, I suppose. But he hasn't played a single down. The best you can say about him is that his grade as a pro is incomplete.

It's not just this year's draft that's open to criticism. It's an entire body of work over the years that ignores the basic rules of building a franchise that all the good teams accept -- build your lines first. We haven't taken an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in eight years. There hasn't been a defensive lineman selected in the first four rounds in eleven years with Vinny and Snyder calling the shots. That's inexcusable. It defies the fundamentals of football.

If it's one thing Cerrato and Snyder are good at, it's luring legions of fans to tolerate mediocrity, and to trick them into believing that the Redskins are one step away from championship contention.

It's a trick that won't work with this fan.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;517037]I understand how, [B]in theory, taking the best available player ultimately makes for a better, deeper roster[/B]. Yet we are really hurting in the lines - the OL in particular.

I'd like to know how VC plans to fix that if targeting linemen in the draft isn't the plan. To me, that is his critical task for the off-season.[/quote]


That's another bullsh*t rule. If the best player available is a wideout when our first pick rolls around, are we going to take him?

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[quote=Beemnseven;517039]That's another bullsh*t rule. If the best player available is a wideout when our first pick rolls around, are we going to take him?[/quote]

If you are Vinnie C. you take three!

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yeah but been aren't you assuming that you can fairly lay all those personnel failures at cerratos feet? I don't know how you can do that. Gibbs was in charge of personnel decisions under his title of team president. Cerratos had a role in scouting for sure, but what evidence do you have that it was cerratos and not Gibbs who chose not to address the lines? As for rinehart, why would he deserve to start over pete Kendall or randy Thomas as a rookie? Patience my son. Rinehart will have his day when Kendall is gone, whenever that may be. This is the first time anyone can definitively assign primary personnel responsibility to cerrato. If youre disappointed in player personnel, some of the blame has to lie with Gibbs and snyder, too. Its not fair to lay that on cerrato when he didnt hold decision making responsibility.

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As proven with other teams you must hold people responsable for their actions and in football the end result is win and loss's,as I said before I think Zorn will be ok what hurt the Skins was the GM's (joke)inability to supply the team with the players needed,aka....O line and D line players.

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Gibbs was never a personnel man, and if he had direct control and final say over draft picks, then fine, he deserves blame too. I tend to think that he deferred scouting, actual player research, and grading of prospects to other people -- Cerrato's division, for sure. It was Gibbs who ultimately looked at his team, his roster and made the final decision on the choices Cerrato presented to him.

I don't think it's a leap to say that during Gibbs' reign the second time around, that while he had complete control, it was Cerrato who held the role of player-personnel, and it was he who advised Gibbs on which players to select. Gibbs just had the yes or no angle.

In the end though, I believe the responsibility fell to Cerrato as to which groups of players Gibbs chose from.

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[quote=Schneed10;517043]yeah but been aren't you assuming that you can fairly lay all those personnel failures at cerratos feet? I don't know how you can do that. Gibbs was in charge of personnel decisions under his title of team president. Cerratos had a role in scouting for sure, but what evidence do you have that it was cerratos and not Gibbs who chose not to address the lines? As for rinehart, why would he deserve to start over pete Kendall or randy Thomas as a rookie? Patience my son. Rinehart will have his day when Kendall is gone, whenever that may be. This is the first time anyone can definitively assign primary personnel responsibility to cerrato. If youre disappointed in player personnel, some of the blame has to lie with Gibbs and snyder, too. Its not fair to lay that on cerrato when he didnt hold decision making responsibility.[/quote]

At one time in the past I definitely think Snyder was pulling the strings more often than not, and under Gibbs I think Vinny again took a backseat. Starting with last year's off-season Vinny is clearly running the show now, and I think it's only fair to judge him based on that going forward. I agree one year is not a proper evaluation of a draft class. Most people know this too but are too hell bent on taking swipes at Vinny at any cost.

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maybe so, but isn't it conceivable that cerrato may have presented Gibbs with grades on numerous offensive linemen who graded out well, yet Gibbs instead chose to trade multiple picks for rocky McIntosh? My point is you just don't know. And forgive me, but it's fairly retarded to label the 2008 draft class as a failure after just one season. Ideally you'd like an immediate impact from your second rounders, but that's just not the norm. For every anquan boldin or desean Jackson there are way more roddy whites, torry holds, brandon marshalls, greg Jennings, and Calvin johnsons who takeore than one season to begin making an impact at wr.

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and apologies for my typing, I'm on the itouch

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Also, you know, I liked his thoughts with all of the draft picks last year...

In my mind, it was clear that Cerrato thought that an O-Line of Samuels (Pro-Bowler), Kendall (solid vet starter), Rabach (decent), Thomas (one time Pro-Bowler), & Jansen/Heyer was good for the upcoming year and saw what we all saw last year... that our WR crew was our biggest weakness on offense on a team that went 9-7 with just one solid WR, thinking we were just a couple of pieces away from really going deep.

He selected THREE receivers because of the whole "WRs can be a bust" thing, that is true. If we take 3, one has to hit, right? He picked 2 safties with the same logic in mind, and the one picked LOWER (Horton) actually turned out better than the the other (K Moore)

The only problem is, he picked one receiver that had only ONE season as a starting WR in college, Devin Thomas, and one WR with knees worse than my grandfather... and one receiver who is a TE, which we happen to be set at. Let me say also that Fred Davis WILL be a great TE in the league. If he were on a team that needed a TE, he would have produced this year IMO.

The issues with Thomas & Kelly were obvious to the whole league. Remember, they were supposed to be drafted in the top 25 picks. BUT, Cerrato knew we needed TALL receivers for Zorn's WCO and saw two "1st round projected WRs" and jumped... and I can't blame him for it. Going into the year we had a Pro-Bowl RB & FB, a solid line, and a young developing QB, and a OC that needed "BIG" targets, so again, Cerrato's draft = not bad logic.

Also... he DID draft a lineman last year (Rinehart) for the aging GUARDS we have, because we have one Pro-Bowl T (Samuels), one T that still had some legs left (Jansen) and a backup that showed flashes as a rookie (Heyer).

BUT... imagine if Zorn wasn't bringing in the WCO... would we been more open to a DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal? (they aren't the "TALL" receivers the WCO "needs")... anyway, that's not Cerrato, the WCO dictated Thomas and Kelly.

Regardless of all of this... lol... we are still SUPER SCREWED at WR right now, well at least Cerrato is. You all KNOW that if we were to sign a FA WR or god forbid draft a WR, then people would be lambasting the fact that the man is an idiot... so, we are going to have the same well below average WRs as this year and HOPE that one gets smart quick (Thomas), one gets Earnest Ainsley to HHHEAAAAL (!) those knees (Kelly), and that Zorn figures out how to use TWO TE's in the WCO (Davis).

I know that watching Vinny on TV is very painful... the guy is just WEIRD looking and talks like a recovering cocaine addict from the 80's... but... his only draft he had control over made sense to me.

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Maybe just maybe. It's not JC, JT, Portis, O line, D line, DB's, or Vinny! ect....
Now this may sound crazy. But maybe we just need to be patient with Vinny and see what he and Zorn can do.

If we fire Vinny, replace Zorn start Colt and all the other senarios discussed in various threads then we have seen the best of the Skins. IMO

I think considering Snyder kept his personnel shows that he is finally starting to understand you can't buy a Super Bowl. It takes time to implement a system and build upon it.

Vinny sees the same thing we do and more.

Fire Away!

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It must be great to be Vinny......Seriously, the only guy in the entire NFL that DOESN'T have to worry about Job Security. If the team doesn't win, it must be because of the coaches, not the talent evaluator.

There are two big problems staring this team in the face right now, 1. the lines need rebuilt and even if Cerrato acknowledges that, 2. he is still doing the evaluating which means we could end up with the Thomas, Davis and Kelly's for OL and DL of this years draft as well.

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[quote=44ever;517054]Maybe just maybe. It's not JC, JT, Portis, O line, D line, DB's, or Vinny! ect....
[B]Now this may sound crazy. But maybe we just need to be patient with Vinny and see what he and Zorn can do. [/B]
If we fire Vinny, replace Zorn start Colt and all the other senarios discussed in various threads then we have seen the best of the Skins. IMO

I think considering Snyder kept his personnel shows that he is finally starting to understand you can't buy a Super Bowl. It takes time to implement a system and build upon it.

Vinny sees the same thing we do and more.

Fire Away![/quote]

I would agree with that for the later rounds, but in a salary cap era of the NFL, when you have 3 second round picks, they must contribute to the team immediately. It's not necessary, it's mandatory.

Additionally, Vinny has been evaluating talent for this team since 2002. Would you say our drafts have been stellar to this point?

Even the FA classes with ample NFL footage have been suspect, i.e. Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, the over the hill gang of 2000 (Vinny was there for that as well).

Good talent evaluators don't spend time on the market as Vinny did after Marty fired him in 2001. If Vinny was gold or knew what he was doing, he would not have been working for ESPN while he waited for Snyder to fire Marty.

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I think after this years draft and another year to see how the 2008 rookies work out, we'll have a better idea of whether Vinny should continue in his present role or not. Ideally we give him 2 more years. The upcoming draft should give us some idea, but it's too soon to judge this rookie class and we haven't even seen how he'll address this years draft.

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[quote=53Fan;517058]I think after this years draft and another year to see how the 2008 rookies work out, we'll have a better idea of whether Vinny should continue in his present role or not. Ideally we give him 2 more years. The upcoming draft should give us some idea, but it's too soon to judge this rookie class and we haven't even seen how he'll address this years draft.[/quote]

It's the only logical choice at this point. IMO

I also think Vinny was smart to keep his mouth shut yesterday

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[quote=Mattyk72;517049]At one time in the past I definitely think Snyder was pulling the strings more often than not, and under Gibbs I think Vinny again took a backseat. Starting with last year's off-season Vinny is clearly running the show now, and I think it's only fair to judge him based on that going forward. I agree one year is not a proper evaluation of a draft class. Most people know this too but are too hell bent on taking swipes at Vinny at any cost.[/quote]
we could have taken a lot of different wide outs .I liked the picks at first but think now we should have taken only one wide out. it looked good at the time we will see next year if they can play

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Oh crap you guys were seriously talking about his skills...I thought you wanted to know what I thought of him and I was going to add .....he looks like a Pug to me with his eye's going every which way. LOL.

Well....I feel Vinnie probably deserves more time. Although, he was apart of some of the picks prior to Gibbs. In Gibbs first tenure rumor was he was asking for certain free agents or draft picks and the GM and owner at the time would decide if the player was needed. Usually the player was not needed and they didn't get him. So if put in Gibbs hands I suspect we drafted or aquired peopled we didn't need. But I doubt that. I'm betting Gibbs and company gave a list of needs for position and Vinnie picked up who he thought would work.

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I wonder why nobody likes the guy? He must be a total 100% dick behind closed doors. You have to wonder if Samuels has nothing good to say about you then you must be a dick cause Samuels is a good guy. But you have to wonder why no one wanted him when Marty fired him. Even Casserly got a GM job.

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What would anyone say if this year with our first pick we took either Crabtree(Texas Tech) or Hicks(North Carolina).????

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^ I would say I don't keep up with college ball and don't know who the heck they are. But if they can help the team so be it....however, everyone the team picks usually does not amount to much their first yr. I know, Taylor, Landry, Horton, but keep in mind it's a lot easier to be put in a position were all you have to do is sit in the back field and wait for the home run try...and occassionaly rush the QB...and not get there in time.

Everyone else other then Heyer has been relegated to practice squad or let go. Then got picked up by other teams. Funny, Mason was with us 2 yrs and looked to be an excellent replacement for Portis one day and we lose him. Then people are talking about picking up another RB in the later rounds of the draft for the same reason. Go figure. Someone else to have to take 2 more yrs to learn his job before he hits the field.

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[quote=SBXVII;517086]^ I would say I don't keep up with college ball and don't know who the heck they are. But if they can help the team so be it....however, everyone the team picks usually does not amount to much their first yr. I know, Taylor, Landry, Horton, but keep in mind it's a lot easier to be put in a position were all you have to do is sit in the back field and wait for the home run try...and occassionaly rush the QB...and not get there in time.

Everyone else other then Heyer has been relegated to practice squad or let go. Then got picked up by other teams. Funny, Mason was with us 2 yrs and looked to be an excellent replacement for Portis one day and we lose him. Then people are talking about picking up another RB in the later rounds of the draft for the same reason. Go figure. Someone else to have to take 2 more yrs to learn his job before he hits the field.[/quote]

The two above are both WR, but are tremendously talented compared to the talent that was at the position in last years draft. People here were talking about Micheal Crabtree last year.

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[quote=WaldSkins;517087]The two above are both WR, but are tremendously talented compared to the talent that was at the position in last years draft. People here were talking about Micheal Crabtree last year.[/quote]

Then I would say we are screwed. Not cause I don't want an elite WR but cause we have basically a college coach trying to teach pros how to run routes. It has not worked in 5 yrs, we have had no production from our WR's in the last 5yrs, and anyone we picked up in the hopes they will make this team better appear to suck or can't get on the field due to lack of knowlege of the plays/routes. But lets not hold anyone accountable cause we can always pick up more next yr or draft another WR in hopes he will work out. The only reason Moss, ARE, and Thrash have worked out for us is cause they were trained prior to Hixon being here. Moss trained with the Jets, ARE trained with Pitt, and Thrash started here and got fine tuned in the WCO with the Eagles. No one else has produced. No one else has been developed since Hixon has gotten here. Everyone who had talent according to the team came, did ok or nothing at all, left and did better then here...ie; Coles, Patton, and Lloyd ring a bell. I'm afraid to ask where Mix went.

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Crabtree is a sure thing hands down. Not that we need another WR but he would definately be an upgrade over Thomas

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[quote=WaldSkins;517097]Crabtree is a sure thing hands down. Not that we need another WR but he would definately be an upgrade over Thomas[/quote]

this is a prime example of why some people question VC's logic. Not that I disagree.

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Vinny basically took WR's in a bad year for WR's. The 2008 WR's class was not very good. The 2009 WR class is strong. This is one of many mistakes Vinny made in 2008.
Yet he keeps his job.
His job performance is not judged the same way others in the organization are.
We have an owner that fired a successful coach Marty Schottenheimer after only one season. Yet he keeps Vinny on for 8 years now.

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Oh but you look good taking the "Best available player" at the time....I mean look at Detroit with all the first round picks and WR's. LOL.

When making apple juice and all you have is lemons you make the best of what you have....you make lemon juice. Atleast you have juice. We have fruit ....we just need to make something of them. Unfortunatly Hixon has no clue as to how to make juice.

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[quote=Defensewins;517113]Vinny basically took WR's in a bad year for WR's. The 2008 WR's class was not very good. The 2009 WR class is strong. This is one of many mistakes Vinny made in 2008.
Yet he keeps his job.
His job performance is not judged the same way others in the organization are.
We have an owner that fired a successful coach Marty Schottenheimer after only one season. Yet he keeps Vinny on for 8 years now.[/quote]

Hopefully Vinny avoids receivers this year like the plague but if he dares to draft one with one of his first 3 picks then I'm going to call for his head (figuratively of course). I mean Vinny's going to do whatever he's going to do. I think that the BPA explanation must have been something PR came up with because this organizations top is more determined to find receivers then a junkie is to find a fix.

I can only hope that Vinny's interst in offensive line prospects last year was genuine because if it is then at least theres a willingness to strongly consider finding players along the front lines.

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When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.

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[quote=redsk1;517236]When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.[/quote]

I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.

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This is a team that went into Dallas and Philly and won. And then lost to the Rams at home and the Bengals. Vinny's fault? Come on. Gotta give "his" system a chance.

It doesn't matter how long he's been with the Skins. He didn't have control until now. This team has been in a state of transition far to long. It's time to stick with it.
(for a change)

Next year Vinny's the man!

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[quote=Mattyk72;517238]I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.[/quote]

You're right, it is debatable. We really don't know who made decision up until a year ago.

I tend to think that no one else is higher than VC in the FO for the last 8 years or so. Sure JG's had a fancy President title, but it was a 3 headed monster w/ JG, VC and DS. How do we make some of these mistakes w/out VC standing up saying that signing B Lloyd and giving him a new contract is a major mistake (insert A Carter, AA, TJ Duckett, you get the point)? Granted he most likely made the decision (he admitted as much), but how can this happen on his watch? How could he not have major issues w/ this? How could he in good faith be a part of such strange personel moves?

You're right in that i'm sure DS get's involved and I'm sure coaches get involved but you can't let some of these things happen.

VC has been a constant for our losing organization. Let's start over. Give him one more year w/ Zorn. If no playoffs...let's start over.

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I'd argue it's Snyder that's been the one constant.

VC was outta here under Marty, and again his level of involvement over the years is debatable and is based mostly on speculation which of course is overwhelmingly negative.

We really don't know what moves had his stamp of approval vs. which ones didn't. Up until last year I think it's reasonable to assume it was either Snyder or Gibbs that had final say over the majority of the moves that have been made over the years.

Trying to figure out how to blame VC in all of this is pretty pointless. Let's judge him from last year forward.

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I just wish we had our second round pick

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[quote=Mattyk72;517244]I'd argue it's Snyder that's been the one constant.

VC was outta here under Marty, and again his level of involvement over the years is debatable and is based mostly on speculation which of course is overwhelmingly negative.

We really don't know what moves had his stamp of approval vs. which ones didn't. Up until last year I think it's reasonable to assume it was either Snyder or Gibbs that had final say over the majority of the moves that have been made over the years.

Trying to figure out how to blame VC in all of this is pretty pointless. Let's judge him from last year forward.[/quote]

We're not going to see any changes in the assistant coaches on staff either.

Cerrato said that any changes to the assistant coaches is "totally up to Jim (Zorn)." Zorn responding by saying no one is going anywhere.

So before anyone blasts VC for not firing Stan Hixon or Danny Smith, remember it's Zorn's call. However, VC could always trump Zorn and get rid of whoever he wants.