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Snyder is not the problem we are. Snyder is living out his dreams in life. One of them being the owner of a NFL team. Not only owner but GM for himself. Unfortunatly for us that team happens to be the Redskins. With that said I'm sure Snyder also wants to win but doesn't know how in a conventional manner. He's used to buying his way to the top. ie. Deion Sanders ect... He should have bought the Yankees. So he's having the time of his life plus making $$$$$ win or lose. We are the guys who's "only" interest in the Skins is winning. So for as long Snyder is owner we are at his mercy.

Now the interesting part. Snyder does have pride. And that pride is what has kept Snyder from making the nessasary changes for a winning season. But I believe he is slowly humbling himself and the fact that he kept Zorn proves it.

When the cap comes off it's going to be fun having Snyder around.

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This article says it all people. Be prepared to be disappointed as a Redskin fan for a long time if this idiot stays on course.

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The article made some very valid, if not obvious, points. The real issue we've had around here since '99 is Snyder. The true test if he's ready to step back and change (which was not really seen as he was very visible in the locker room earlier this season in Dallas and Philly) is after next year if the team struggles will he fire Vinny and will he be able to cede all control to Shanahan. (Cowher and Holmgren aren't coming here).

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PennSkinsFan:

Excellent column. Very well written! :biggthump


I think there is an additional element at work here.

Danny Boy wants to win - just like the other owners want to win - [B]and[/B] he wants to win in such a way that he is recognized as the architect of the victory. If he just sat in the owner's box and cheered for his team as it won the Lombardi Trophy, that would not be sufficient because when the accolades were handed out, Danny Boy would be an afterthought. And the absolute worst thing that could happen to Danny Boy is to be an "afterthought"; he has to be at the center of attention - never on the periphery.


I believe these two elements point to the real problem of the Redskins.

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The good thing is that Danny is relatively young....and after 20 or so MORE years of learing the trade he may be a good GM. I do think he is showing signs of improvement...so he can learn. If he keeps going through coaches he should learn a little from each one.

So I guess, we all must suffer while Danny learns the trade. Maybe we'll be consistently good when I'm 55!

Damn I wish I had 150 billion dollars. Has he every said how much it would take to sell the team?

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[QUOTE]Snyder took over the team after the 1998 season, but so late into 1999 did he take the reins that he couldn’t have any impact on the personnel of the team that year. Those Redskins finally made it to the playoffs under Head Coach Norv Turner, winning 10 games and the NFC East division title. The Redskins crushed the Detroit Lions in a home playoff game and then lost narrowly and comically to a fine Tampa Bay Buccaneers team. It seemed the Redskins might have finally turned the corner after drifting between atroicious and mediocre since the retirement of Joe Gibbs after the 1992 season.

Then Dan Snyder began to make decisions.[/QUOTE]

Snyder, of course, is the first owner ever to want to put his own imprint on a new purchase. Also, let's completely disregard the fact that he has repeatedly admitted to making mistakes early on his ownership.

[QUOTE]Snyder paid a mint for an old and over-the-hill Bruce Smith, a once-great pass-rusher the Buffalo Bills didn’t want anymore. Smith had one good season for the Redskins and then lapsed into a lame and purpose-less [for the Redskins, anyway] pursuit of the NFL career sack title. Deion Sanders was also brought in despite repeated warnings from the Dallas metro area that recent injuries meant he only had 9 working toes and wasn’t the player Snyder thought he was getting. Sanders was a slightly-better-than-average cornerback, no improvement on the man shoved into a reserve role, Darrell Green. As a punt returner, Sanders made WR James Thrash look good; Thrash averaged over 3 yards more per punt return than Sanders did. To make room for Sanders on the roster, the Redskins cut RB/RS Brian Mitchell, perhaps the most talented and useful player on the team.[/QUOTE]

Not excusing Dan Snyder for those moves, he is the owner after all. But the Smith had Gerald Snyder's hands all over it, and B-Mitch had D. Green all over it. Still, let's keep talking about stuff that happened nearly a decade ago

[QUOTE]And let us not forget QB Jeff George, who lobbied endlessly for the starter job over incumbent [and future Super Bowl champion] Brad Johnson. George, who famously said leadership is “overrated,” failed utterly in Washington, finishing the 2000 season ineffectually as the starter and then being cut after two weeks by new Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer in 2001. This article from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen explains the situation nicely:[/QUOTE]

George was an unmitigated disaster. And Snyder blew a huge opportunity with Schottenheimer, in my opinion (2nd favorite head coach of all time). But just saying "Snyder was unhappy because he couldn't be the guy" is inaccurate. Guys like Stephen "Fumble when Trying to Run the Clock Out" Davis had no place on Spurrier's offense anyway. Agree though that our draft efforts for several years have been less than stellar

[QUOTE]Dan Snyder didn’t buy the Redskins to make money, though he does intend to make money with the Redskins and does, indeed, do so. Dan Snyder didn’t buy the Redskins to win Super Bowls, though he does hope to do that, too. Dan Snyder bought the Redskins to be general manager because being general manager of an NFL team is fun — particularly if you’ve got a lot of money to spend and have no boss to fire you.

I’m going to repeat that because it is important for understanding Snyder and why the Redskins have endured so much losing: Dan Snyder bought the Redskins to be general manager because being general manager of an NFL team is fun — particularly if you’ve got a lot of money to spend and have no boss to fire you.[/QUOTE]

That's quite an assumption

[QUOTE]What fan hasn’t fantasized about being the GM of his favorite NFL team, making the big calls, reshaping the roster, gathering the glory when all those wise and far-sighted decisions yield a Vince Lombardi trophy? All fans have done that. What else is fantasy football, a hugely popular pasttime, if not an attempt to live out GM dreams that will never be realized? Well, Dan Snyder gets to realize those dreams. And it’s fun.[/QUOTE]

Indeed there are times when Snyder has a tendency to be as impetuous as many of the stupid fans of the team. Those days are much fewer and far between. But he was definitely not like that in 2000, and we really need to continue to focus on that year.

[QUOTE]The problem is, Dan Snyder doesn’t know how to be the GM of an NFL team. He’s the worst sort of ignoramus — the kind who thinks he’s got it all covered and is completely unaware of how little he knows. It’s not just that Snyder doesn’t know what he’s doing. If that were the only problem, it would be easily fixed: Snyder doesn’t know what he’s doing. He realizes this. He hires someone who does. Problem solved. But that’s not the case. The real problem is that Snyder thinks he DOES know what he’s doing. When asked if there would be changes in the front office, Snyder has replied that you don’t fix something if it isn’t broken. As far as Dan Snyder is concerned, the front office of the Washington Redskins is working .[/QUOTE]

Exactly why they've been revamping the scouting department and other front office personnel over the past two seasons, I suppose. And I know the counter-argument. As long as VC is around you're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

[QUOTE]To sum up the situation:

1. Dan Snyder bought the Redskins to be the GM of the Redskins;

2. Dan Snyder is a terrible GM;

3. Dan Snyder thinks he’s a good GM.

That’s why the Redskins are where they are. And that’s why the Redskins will stay where they are until something or someone changes Dan Snyder’s mind about his talents as a general manager.[/QUOTE]

Great summary...I guess

[QUOTE]Of course, Dan Snyder has his defenders. These are mostly people who draw a salary from Dan Snyder, of course, but not all. There are fans who appear to appreciate Snyder, who say that the way he spends money proves that he cares about the team and wants to win.

This is irrelevant. Of course Dan Snyder wants to win. Mike Brown, owner/GM of the Cincinnati Bengals wants to win. Al Davis, owner/GM/Coach of the Oakland Raiders wants to win. Bill Bidwell, owner of the Arizona Cardinals wants to win. Every NFL owner wants his or her team to win a Super Bowl every year. The real question is this:

What is Dan Snyder willing to do to win?

And that’s where the problem with the Redskins becomes persistent and chronic. Bill Bidwell wants to win, but not if it means he has to spend a lot of money. Same with Mike Brown of the Bengals. They both want to win on the cheap. Al Davis wants to make all the personnel decisions on his team and pay his coaches a pittance. Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys, the owner Dan Snyder most closely resembles, wants to be GM and head coach of his team. He does serve as GM and he maintains some functions of a head coach, such as hiring various assistant coaches — something Snyder now does, as well. Jerry Jones wants to win so badly his head is ready to explode. He spent a ton of money assembling the team he has now and is about to move the Cowboys into a gigantic and hugely expensive state-of-the-art stadium. Yet for all his money and all his wishes, Jones’ team hasn’t won a playoff game since the 1996 season — a record of futility that dwarfs even Snyder’s.

Clearly, then, wanting to win games and Super Bowls isn’t enough. What else does an owner need to do?

Answer: He needs to recognize his limitations. The Cowboys haven’t won a playoff game in 12 years because Jerry Jones took over as GM and he’s a terrible GM. The Redskins lose so many games despite a high payroll because Dan Snyder is the GM and he’s a terrible GM. In general, owners don’t make good general managers. To be a good manager or coach or general manager of a sports team, you really need to spend your adult life, at the very least, working at football. You need to be learning about it, watching it on film, talking to other experts, and listening to mentors who know more than you do. A lot of the time what you’ll be doing isn’t very exciting, but it is necessary to learn your trade. One doesn’t wake up and decide that today you’re a chemist or a molecular biologist or a neurosurgeon. You have to study for years to be good at those things. The problem with running a football team is that there are no official qualifications you need to have; all the qualifications are real and important, but they’re entirely unofficial. But being unofficial doesn’t make them any less important or necessary.

By now it must be clear to all, except for Daniel Snyder himself, that he’s not competent to run an NFL team. There’s no shame in that. There is no reason why he should be competent to run an NFL team. He didn’t spend most of his life studying the things you need to know to run an NFL team well. We don’t assume that someone who is rich enough to buy a hospital is qualified to perform brain surgery. Why should we assume that somone who is rich enough to buy a football team [after borrowing from every bank and relative he could find] is qualified to be an NFL general manager? We should not.[/QUOTE]

This article is largely based on the assumption that Snyder is the "General Manager" of the team. Ok. Look, clearly Snyder has input. He's the owner of the team, why shouldn't he. But he also has ceded considerable decision making and football responsibilities since his first year as team owner. But some don't want to accept that because the Lombardi Trophies haven't been rolling in at the same rate the money is rolling out.

Are there better owners? Of course. Could we do a lot worse? No doubt. Snyder has his faults. First and foremost indeed is that he still has that bad habit sometimes of falling back into that I'm a fan mode (such as the way Portis is running his mouth without any fear of repercussion it seems).

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Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.

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Pretty good op ed, although I don't think Danny is making personnel decisions to the extent that you do. (on a side note, the Giants defensive coordinator is Steve Spagnuolo, not Jim).

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[quote=SmootSmack;519781]Are there better owners? Of course. Could we do a lot worse? No doubt. Snyder has his faults. First and foremost indeed is that he still has that bad habit sometimes of falling back into that I'm a fan mode (such as the way Portis is running his mouth without any fear of repercussion it seems).[/quote]
Great response Smoot, spot on!

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Personally I think this is the first season he has truly "stepped back". I don't think he ever will completly. Again in a world with no salary cap Snyders a nice asset.

Smoot did sum it up nicely.

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I think the article is well written. I appreciate what others have said about DS stepping back on decisions and letting Vinny take over. Yet I can't be totally convinced that Vinny's not making decisions w/Snyder in his ear. Two wr's & a TE in last year's draft smells of danny influence. Was Jason Taylor all Vinny's decision (for the record I like the deal at the time, but a 2nd was awful high).

Has Snyder improved? I think so, but it will take a long time for him to truly be able to step aside. Something about the team of Danny/Vinny that rubs people the wrong way, and doesn't seem good for the team. It's not like people hate them because they're jealous of the wins, they just hate them.

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[quote=Mattyk72;519785]Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.[/quote]

I think its hard to really know how much DS has pulled back since all we get is what we hear thru the media. Just because he has given the impression he's pulled back from GMing doesnt mean he really has.

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He has gotten a little better. If we draft another WR then I'll be calling for someone's head, as if it mattered.

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Nobody knows how much The Danny has pulled back from the FO decision making. More than half the stuff coming out of Redskins Park is BS anyway. And even if the Danny is totally out of the decision making process, he still needs to knock some heads with some of the crap that has gone down in the team's recent past. I do not look for us to have a solid winner built til my 50th birthday at the rate we are going. IF we stink next season don't look for JC to be resigned either!!!!!!!

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[quote=irish;519800]I think its hard to really know how much DS has pulled back since all we get is what we hear thru the media. Just because he has given the impression he's pulled back from GMing doesnt mean he really has.[/quote]

The problem is we really don't know the exact extent of his involvement to begin with. It's not like he's ever come out and said he pulled the trigger on this move or on that.

Early on he probably was calling more shots than not, but he definitely had input from his Dad, Pepper Rodgers, Vinny, etc. Then for one year Marty took over and was the main guy, then Vinny came back into the fold, then Gibbs, and now Vinny is running football ops and from all indications he is calling the shots and Snyder handles more of the financial end of things, contracts, etc.

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I agree he has pulled back some, but I don't think it is as much as folks make it out to be. A guy that in the past has been shown to h ave a really big ego(almost like J Jones) can't just all of a sudden give up total command in a matter of 1-2 seasons.

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I think it's silly to bring up 1999-2003. It's pointless. Gibbs has to take some responsibilty for some of the bad moves the team has made while he was here. And it doesn't seem Snyder is nearly as involved as Davis and Jones. But if Snyder REALLY wanted to win bad enough, he'd go out and get some people who really knew how to put a team together. Floyd Reece has been sitting out there for a while now. Why isn't he here in some capacity? Reece has as much experience as anyone out there. I know a lot of you out there will frown on it but Casserly knows the league and has helped put together SB winning teams. Why isn't he here? IMO Snyder doesn't want to win bad enough.

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[quote=Mattyk72;519785]Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.[/quote]

Wasn't it Snyder that started negotiating with Lance Briggs with out notifying Gibbs? Hasn't Snyder personally handled contract negotiations with some players? Wouldn't by definition make him at least co-GM?

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[quote=Mattyk72;519806]The problem is we really don't know the exact extent of his involvement to begin with. It's not like he's ever come out and said he pulled the trigger on this move or on that.

Early on he probably was calling more shots than not, but he definitely had input from his Dad, Pepper Rodgers, Vinny, etc. Then for one year Marty took over and was the main guy, then Vinny came back into the fold, then Gibbs, and now Vinny is running football ops and from all indications he is calling the shots and Snyder handles more of the financial end of things, contracts, etc.[/quote]

I think his involvement to begin with was way more than we thought. I agree there is no way to know for sure but that's my feeling.

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i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.

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[quote=skinsfan69;519808]I think it's silly to bring up 1999-2003. It's pointless. [B]Gibbs has to take some responsibilty for some of the bad moves the team has made while he was here.[/B] And it doesn't seem Snyder is nearly as involved as Davis and Jones. But if Snyder REALLY wanted to win bad enough, he'd go out and get some people who really knew how to put a team together. Floyd Reece has been sitting out there for a while now. Why isn't he here in some capacity? Reece has as much experience as anyone out there. I know a lot of you out there will frown on it but Casserly knows the league and has helped put together SB winning teams. Why isn't he here? IMO Snyder doesn't want to win bad enough.[/quote]

To the extent that as Team President Gibbs had the final "yes or no" on any given player, I would agree -- he bears some responsibility. But I don't think Gibbs was a micro-manager in that role. I believe he knew his limitations, and I still maintain that even during Gibbs 2.0, the man most directly responsible for the content of the roster was and is Vinny Cerrato.

As one who was never afraid to delegate responsibilities, I don't think it's a stretch to say that Gibbs handed the duty of player scouting and grading of college and pro free agents over to Vinny. We know that the overriding philosophy for the Redskins has always been to take the best player available. So isn't it reasonable to say that Gibbs directed Vinny to present to him the best players he thought were available, and Gibbs basically went with them? I think so.

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[quote=dmek25;519811]i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with an owner who wants to spend money. That's not the issue here. The difference is that there are owners who spend money on players that are recommended by hired hands who know football, and who can be trusted to make the right decisions with regard to player-personnel. Dan Snyder is an owner who has hired someone who has failed at player-personnel, and continues to take his advice. That's the problem.

And as long as Snyder defers to the judgement of Vinny Cerrato, Snyder will continue to take the criticism he so richly deserves. So the writer of this column [B]is exactly right[/B].

Apart from the 1999 team, (since he had no part in constructing it) there have been three 8-8 seasons, four losing seasons, and just two winning seasons with a couple of last place wildcard appearances. If he were to assume control of any other organization that had amassed those results he would have fired everyone from the top down. It's time for him to do the same of himself.

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[quote=Defensewins;519809]Wasn't it Snyder that started negotiating with Lance Briggs with out notifying Gibbs? Hasn't Snyder personally handled contract negotiations with some players? Wouldn't by definition make him at least co-GM?[/quote]

Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

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[quote=Mattyk72;519817]Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.[/quote]

he will when he wins Matty :)

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[quote=Beemnseven;519816]I don't have a problem with an owner who wants to spend money. That's not the issue here. The difference is that there are owners who spend money on players that are recommended by hired hands who know football, and who can be trusted to make the right decisions with regard to player-personnel. Dan Snyder is an owner who has hired someone who has failed at player-personnel, and continues to take his advice. That's the problem.

[B]And as long as Snyder defers to the judgement of Vinny Cerrato[/B], Snyder will continue to take the criticism he so richly deserves. So the writer of this column [B]is exactly right[/B].

Apart from the 1999 team, (since he had no part in constructing it) there have been three 8-8 seasons, four losing seasons, and just two winning seasons with a couple of last place wildcard appearances. If he were to assume control of any other organization that had amassed those results he would have fired everyone from the top down. It's time for him to do the same of himself.[/quote]
I am so confused?? Does Snyder defer to Cerrato, but Cerrato is Snyder's Yes man so Snyder must make the call, but he defers to Cerrato.
We have had growing pains with Snyder, but he was is and will be the BOA (best owner available) to the Redskins.

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hes not great but hes getting better. i think he made a good decision in jim zorn and hopefully zorn will have the time he needs to build his team

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[quote=Mattyk72;519817]Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.[/quote]

I don't know if a 'massive ego' was ever the problem with Snyder. This is a guy who has been known to avoid the media, rarely give interviews, and be amongst the most highly secretive in the business.

As to his current involvement of the day to day operations of the football team, Vinny Cerrato, on his very own radio show, said that he is contact with Dan Snyder, "many, many, many times throughout the day." I would submit that this is the kind of frequency that is not seen between most general managers and owners.

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[quote=Mattyk72;519817]Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? [B]If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas[/B].[/quote]

That's a really good point. It makes total sense, I just for some reason hadn't thought of it that way.

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[quote=dmek25;519811]i will never bitch about Snyder. i think we are all in agreement he wants to win. and i would much rather have an owner that spends money, although maybe not the right way, then one who sits back and pretty much does nothing. perfect example is Jason Taylor. Phil Daniels gets injured late, and the skins definitely need a defensive end. so Snyder goes out and fills a need. was it the right move? probably not. but he did what he thought was right.[/quote]

In some ways I think that DS not being afraid to spend $ is counter-productive. IMO if DS was a bit tighter fisted it would "force" the Skins into have to be more focused and rely more on the draft which IMO would provide a stronger foundation for the team.

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let's just hope Snyder keeps an interest($) in the skins

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[quote=GMScud;519822]That's a really good point. It makes total sense, I just for some reason hadn't thought of it that way.[/quote]

Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?

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[quote=Beemnseven;519821]I don't know if a 'massive ego' was ever the problem with Snyder. This is a guy who has been known to avoid the media, rarely give interviews, and be amongst the most highly secretive in the business.

As to his current involvement of the day to day operations of the football team, Vinny Cerrato, on his very own radio show, said that he is contact with Dan Snyder, "many, many, many times throughout the day." I would submit that this is the kind of frequency that is not seen between most general managers and owners.[/quote]

I'm sure the level of involvement of owners around the league varies greatly. But considering that Snyder and Vinny have more than just a business relationship and are friends, that probably explains the constant contact.

And again, nobody is denying that Snyder is involved. It's the level of involvement that is highly debatable.

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[quote=44ever;519818]he will when he wins Matty :)[/quote]

!00% correct. Why would he want to crow about the mediocre teams the Skins keep putting on the field?

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[quote=44ever;519827]Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?[/quote]

Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?

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[quote=Mattyk72;519831]Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?[/quote]

Contract decisions are one thing, evaluating players is totally different. If the player is a bust then he's just signing checks.

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[quote=44ever;519827]Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?[/quote]

No, but Jerry Jones hasn't done shit in 12 or 13 seasons, he knows people are super-skeptical of his meddlesome role(s) with the Cowgirls, yet he still publicly flexes his owner/GM/pseudo-head coach muscles every chance he gets.

You don't see any of that from Danny, despite being such a supposed "ego-maniac." I think that was the point Matty was driving at.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;519819]I am so confused?? Does Snyder defer to Cerrato, but Cerrato is Snyder's Yes man so Snyder must make the call, but he defers to Cerrato.
We have had growing pains with Snyder, but he was is and will be the BOA (best owner available) to the Redskins.[/quote]

I never used the term "yes man". Maybe Cerrato is, maybe he isn't. Whether Snyder today is as consumed with assembling the roster as he was in 2000 with the Bruce Smith, Jeff George, and Deion acquisitions is anyone's guess.

The fact remains, this partnership, however one chooses to define it's structure or chain of command, has a losing record. And not counting Marty's year, there have been the same two guys at the helm of this ship. As for the 'best owner available', you may be right. But the key word there is 'available'.

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[quote=irish;519824]In some ways I think that DS not being afraid to spend $ is counter-productive. IMO if DS was a bit tighter fisted it would "force" the Skins into have to be more focused and rely more on the draft which IMO would provide a stronger foundation for the team.[/quote]


That's true. Excellent point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;519831]Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?[/quote]

I don't know it's speculative but, I bet VC will credit him when/if we win. I think we all agree that he ran the show but is conceding somewhat. None of us know how much. We can however deduct his involvement by contrasting 07 to what happens this offseason. If it's the same old then that speeks for itself