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JLC says to expect another quiet season in free agency, perhaps Snyder and company really have learned a thing or two from their past mistakes?

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One of the positives of the recession!

Seriously though, I think JLC is fairly accurate here. I think maybe one or two sort of big-name free agents, a couple of back-up types, and then just try to trade for maybe an additional two or three picks

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I still wouldn't rule out chasing at least one big name, we'll see though. If they really are intent on focusing on the draft it would certainly be a pleasant surprise. JLC is right, if you swing and miss in the draft it's far less costly vs. doing that in free agency.

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Per JLC: "I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players."

Many of us thought that Snyder and Cerrato had learned their lesson on that topic before the JT trade but, alas, they hadn't.

My point is that we may think we know what the Skins key needs are but we really don't have a handle on what they might do to address them, if anything.

I hope they approach the off-season in the reasonable manner that JLC suggests but he is no insider and I doubt that he knows any more about their true plans than I do.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the Redskins currently over the cap? We couldn't go after a big name even of we wanted to unless we cut someone or convince a player to renegotiate his deal.
Plus they seemed determined not to release Jason Taylor because that would admit they were wrong for giving up a high pick in the draft for Jason Taylor. So it does not seem we will not be getting that $8.5M in cap relief. We will have to count on other ways to lower our bloated cap number.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;520792]Per JLC: "I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players."

Many of us thought that Snyder and Cerrato had learned their lesson on that topic before the JT trade but, alas, they hadn't.

My point is that we may think we know what the Skins key needs are but we really don't have a handle on what they might do to address them, if anything.

I hope they approach the off-season in the reasonable manner that JLC suggests but he is no insider and I doubt that he knows any more about their true plans than I do.[/quote]

I would pretty much bet he's got more inside connections than your typical fan.

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[quote=SmootSmack;520788]One of the positives of the recession!

Seriously though, I think JLC is fairly accurate here. I think maybe one or two sort of big-name free agents, a couple of back-up types, and then just try to trade for maybe an additional two or three picks[/quote]

Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520790][B]I still wouldn't rule out chasing at least one big name, we'll see though. If they really are intent on focusing on the draft it would certainly be a pleasant surprise.[/B] JLC is right, if you swing and miss in the draft it's far less costly vs. doing that in free agency.[/quote]


My take is cut Jason Taylor, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Griffin and create some big time room under the cap to sign 2-3 free agents - specifically I would add at least one lineman on both the defense and offense. Than in the draft if you can trade down and acquire an extra pick use them on drafting another lineman and a linebacker as well. Resign D. Hall, keep Carlos Rogers and Smoot for next year and how Phillip Daniels can provide more than Jason Taylor did last year for one more season. In addition even if the Skins experience another bizarre traninig camp where they lost Daniels and Buzbee on the first day - don't trade any more future picks - lets start keeping our full arsenal so we can finally start addressing depth for the future.

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[quote=celts32;520801]Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.[/quote]

A little bit, though not much. I mean I've heard that they're open to the idea and that he has value as trade bait that they don't really have with many other players. Players that they'd be willing to trade that is. I think that the other issue is that Rogers is apparently preparing to ask for huge, huge money and the team isn't ready to make such a commitment. I don't know what the numbers are but I think it's similar to a couple of years ago when I was telling you guys that Dockery was reportedly expected to ask for a $17 million signing bonus which we all thought was ridiculous and then...well you know the rest.

So yeah I think they're definitely discussing it and exploring the possibility but I don't know to what extent. I think the Moss discussions are actually a bit more serious.

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When can the team begin cutting/trading players? And even if they could make moves now, do you think they would wait until close to the draft anyways?

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id like to keep taylor for this season, id like to see him at 100% health plus his contract is done after the season anyways. I would be up for trading Rogers, he has done well in locking up receivers at times but corners need to make plays in terms of interceptions and he is lacking there. re-sign hall, keep springs, cut griffin and marcus washington. i hope we dont go after a high priced OT in free agency, the draft is top heavy with OTs and id rather draft one. Go after Karlos Dansby as the "big name free agent" if we do only have one. Dunta Robinson is also an interesting one, he can make plays at cornerback, not sure of the contract he would be asking for.

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[quote=Big C;520809]id like to keep taylor for this season, id like to see him at 100% health plus his contract is done after the season anyways. I would be up for trading Rogers, he has done well in locking up receivers at times but corners need to make plays in terms of interceptions and he is lacking there. re-sign hall, keep springs, cut griffin and marcus washington. i hope we dont go after a high priced OT in free agency, the draft is top heavy with OTs and id rather draft one. Go after Karlos Dansby as the "big name free agent" if we do only have one. Dunta Robinson is also an interesting one, he can make plays at cornerback, not sure of the contract he would be asking for.[/quote]

I agree with all your points except keeping Taylor. If we can get him to stay at a lower salary, sure, but not for 8.5M. When a team is rebuilding (like ours is), we cant afford to pay 8.5M to a 35year old DE who is coming off the worst year of his career and has an eye on hollywood... its just stupid, especially if the teams top priority is saving money.

Ideally, i'd like to get Taylor to sign a 1-year extension so he would cost 10M over the next 2 years... then if another team that thinks it has a chance for a superbowl run in 2009 loses a starting DE in training camp, trade Taylor to them for a 2010 draft pick. If we cant trade him, then keep him at his reduced rate. In the event we have to keep him, the bonus is it lets us put off addressing the DE position for one more year, allowing us to focus solely on OL, DT, and LB in the 2009draft.

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[quote=Big C;520809]id like to keep taylor for this season, id like to see him at 100% health plus his contract is done after the season anyways. I would be up for trading Rogers, he has done well in locking up receivers at times but corners need to make plays in terms of interceptions and he is lacking there. re-sign hall, keep springs, cut griffin and marcus washington. i hope we dont go after a high priced OT in free agency, the draft is top heavy with OTs and id rather draft one. Go after Karlos Dansby as the "big name free agent" if we do only have one. Dunta Robinson is also an interesting one, he can make plays at cornerback, not sure of the contract he would be asking for.[/quote]

Robinson is a solid CB, but he's only played about 10 games in each of the past two seasons. So why would we want to go after that when we complain about getting that out of Springs anyway right now?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520810]I agree with all your points except keeping Taylor. If we can get him to stay at a lower salary, sure, but not for 8.5M. When a team is rebuilding (like ours is), we cant afford to pay 8.5M to a 35year old DE who is coming off the worst year of his career and has an eye on hollywood... its just stupid, especially if the teams top priority is saving money.

Ideally, i'd like to get Taylor to sign a 1-year extension so he would cost 10M over the next 2 years... then if another team that thinks it has a chance for a superbowl run in 2009 loses a starting DE in training camp, trade Taylor to them for a 2010 draft pick. If we cant trade him, then keep him at his reduced rate. In the event we have to keep him, the bonus is it lets us put off addressing the DE position for one more year, allowing us to focus solely on OL, DT, and LB in the 2009draft.[/quote]

What happens if Taylor decides not to return?

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[quote=celts32;520801]Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.[/quote]

I agree completley here...I thought Rogers was phenominal for us last year...and Hall has not been resigned...I still would be against this...although a secnod rounder would be nice.

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As far as the Skins worrying about Carlos asking for an insane contract as being a reason to trade him now - wouldn't the Skins be better off using either the franchise or transitional tag on him instead?

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[quote=Gmanc711;520813]I agree completley here...I thought Rogers was phenominal for us last year...and Hall has not been resigned...I still would be against this...although a secnod rounder would be nice.[/quote]

A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.

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[quote=44ever;520812]What happens if Taylor decides not to return?[/quote]

If Taylor retires then we don't have anything to worry about - we save the 8.5M and if he wants to unretire and play for someone else, then that team must give us compensation.

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[quote=celts32;520815]A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.[/quote]

I agree... anything less than a top 20 first round pick for Rogers and we are screwing ourselves over. Even if Rogers is disgruntled, he has no choice but to play for us. Lance Briggs was disgruntled, but he's not anymore and he's still with the bears now. Lito Shepard was disgruntled, but he's still with the eagles. The Redskins hold all the cards with Carlos for 2 more years if the CBA expires and 2-3more years if it doesnt and they want to franchise him 1-2years. Thats plenty of time to work things out and patch up any difference between them. We should NOT, under any circumstances, let him dicate things to us. He signed a contract and thats all there is to it.

As far as Moss goes, we should be able to get a 2nd for him and I wouldnt take anything less.

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This article says we're very interested in Jordan Gross. What I don't understand is it speculates that we would pay him LT money to play RT for us... that would be foolish. If we signed him and gave him LT money, we should put him at LT and move Samuels to RT... something we need to do soon anyways.

I don't necessarily think we should pursue Gross (he's 29 and will cost too much), but if we did, it certainly would help our team immensly right away. We could trade down in the first round, pick up a 2nd and then use our first three picks on a center, DL, and LB... all three guys should be able to start immediately.

And Imagine our O-line with Gross-Kendall/Thomas- Mack(draft pick)-Rinehart-Samuels... now THAT would be a beastly line.

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I'm definitely on the Jordan Gross bandwagon. He's 28 (not old....'though not young), I know this may sound crazy, but we could put him at LT and move Samuels to RT. This would be huge in protecting JC from pass rushing DEs in both sides. Also, this big of a signing would show the team's commitment to vastly improving the offensive line.

On the defensive side of the ball, if the cap permits, I would sign Rocky Bernard and possibly Karlos Dansby (although Dansby could become expensive if AZ goes to the SB). If not Dansby, then we may have some options...Bart Scott or maybe Eric Barton...although those two have played in the 3-4 defense. I"m sure we could find a serviceable LB to replace Washington.

There has been talks on this site about possible trades...JLC seems to be talking up a Rogers trade, in our fantasy world we are talking about Moss. I think getting a second rounder would be pretty big. I think best case scenario would be to trade down 13th for a low 1st round and a 3rd rounder. This would give us a low 1st, 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. We could use these to look at inside lineman (Center/Guards) and defensive linemen.

Once again, I'm not going to say that this WILL and MUST happen, this is just my ideal situation. There are many questions about who will be cut, what cap implications this will have and what will the team do to get under the cap. There is also the big question of if these trades can happen. I think one big FA signing, and two regular FA signings would not be bad for this team. I do hope they do something to get more than the 4 picks they have now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520810]I agree with all your points except keeping Taylor. If we can get him to stay at a lower salary, sure, but not for 8.5M. When a team is rebuilding (like ours is), we cant afford to pay 8.5M to a 35year old DE who is coming off the worst year of his career and has an eye on hollywood... its just stupid, especially if the teams top priority is saving money.

Ideally, i'd like to get Taylor to sign a 1-year extension so he would cost 10M over the next 2 years... then if another team that thinks it has a chance for a superbowl run in 2009 loses a starting DE in training camp, trade Taylor to them for a 2010 draft pick. If we cant trade him, then keep him at his reduced rate. In the event we have to keep him, the bonus is it lets us put off addressing the DE position for one more year, allowing us to focus solely on OL, DT, and LB in the 2009draft.[/quote]

What incentive does Taylor have to restructure at a reduced rate?

Shawn Springs, who has been a Redskin for more than 4 years now, has no interest in restructuring at a reduced wage and he has more Redskin tenure than Taylor. Springs has basically told the team to release him if they don't want to pay his salary.

I'm not seeing Taylor entertaining ANY idea of signing a new contract for less money. When both parties signed (or received) that contract they usually expect the terms to be upheld. A player can use holding out as leverage to get a new deal in his favor. Teams have no leverage against a player other than cutting him from the team...which might be advantageous to the player anyway.


...in short, any forecasting of Taylor restructuring for less puts the ass in asinine.

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addressing the rogers issue, i understand why some would say that he is young and has done pretty well, but he is going to be 28 years old starting the season, that is usually the peak age of a corner and imo he is as good as he is ever going to be. a 2nd rounder would be good value imo, we got 4 years out of him, none spectactular. imo we would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder

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Since I've been talking a lot about trading down from our #13, I found this piece of info that may serve useful. I am not sure how accurate or reliable this is...but I still think it is interesting:

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php]Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart[/url]

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[quote=Skinny Tee;520821][B]What incentive does Taylor have to restructure at a reduced rate?[/B]

Shawn Springs, who has been a Redskin for more than 4 years now, has no interest in restructuring at a reduced wage and he has more Redskin tenure than Taylor. Springs has basically told the team to release him if they don't want to pay his salary.

I'm not seeing Taylor entertaining ANY idea of signing a new contract for less money. When both parties signed (or received) that contract they usually expect the terms to be upheld. A player can use holding out as leverage to get a new deal in his favor. Teams have no leverage against a player other than cutting him from the team...which might be advantageous to the player anyway.


...in short, any forecasting of Taylor restructuring for less puts the *** in asinine.[/quote]

I think Taylor opened the door to this when he commented on his own view of his value. I think that the team does have leverage with the threat of cutting him, as his stock definitely went down after last year's outing. I sure hope JT stays on the team, but that should only happen if he restructures.

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[quote=Ruhskins;520820]I'm definitely on the Jordan Gross bandwagon. He's 28 (not old....'though not young), I know this may sound crazy, but we could put him at LT and move Samuels to RT. This would be huge in protecting JC from pass rushing DEs in both sides. Also, this big of a signing would show the team's commitment to vastly improving the offensive line.

On the defensive side of the ball, if the cap permits, I would sign Rocky Bernard and possibly Karlos Dansby (although Dansby could become expensive if AZ goes to the SB). If not Dansby, then we may have some options...Bart Scott or maybe Eric Barton...although those two have played in the 3-4 defense. I"m sure we could find a serviceable LB to replace Washington.

There has been talks on this site about possible trades...JLC seems to be talking up a Rogers trade, in our fantasy world we are talking about Moss. I think getting a second rounder would be pretty big. I think best case scenario would be to trade down 13th for a low 1st round and a 3rd rounder. This would give us a low 1st, 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. We could use these to look at inside lineman (Center/Guards) and defensive linemen.

Once again, I'm not going to say that this WILL and MUST happen, this is just my ideal situation. There are many questions about who will be cut, what cap implications this will have and what will the team do to get under the cap. There is also the big question of if these trades can happen. I think one big FA signing, and two regular FA signings would not be bad for this team. I do hope they do something to get more than the 4 picks they have now.[/quote]

I think we definitely have the cap room to sign Gross, Dansby, and Bernard if we make the "no-brainer" cuts amongst the old vets... depending on what the market sets their price at. At the very least, we would have the room to sign 2 of 3. However it seems like Snyder is wanting to be frugal and not spend money. Of those 3, I think its most realistic to sign one of those guys (probably Bernard - he will be the cheapest by far and we have the Seahawk connection)

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Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins

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[quote=Ruhskins;520826]Since I've been talking a lot about trading down from our #13, I found this piece of info that may serve useful. I am not sure how accurate or reliable this is...but I still think it is interesting:

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php]Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart[/url][/quote]

Interesting... a move from 13 to 26 would result in our receiving that teams 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for roughly equal compensation (we would still owe 10pts).... i doubt any team would give their 1st 3 picks to move up 13 spots, although stranger things have happened.

We are definitely in a good position to move down though. There always seems to be alot of moves with teams who have picks in this part of the draft.... good for us.

In the hypothetical trade above, if we made the trade to move back 13 spots, and also traded Moss for a 2nd, we would end up with a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rd round picks... not bad.

In the end, I think our biggest offseason move (and the hardest one) is going to be resigning DeAngelo Hall.

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[quote=SmootSmack;520839]Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins[/quote]

Assuming he committed to restructuring and extending his contract with another team, we could probably trade him to a team like Carolina, who will be losing Peppers. Im thinking a team who feels they are "close" would give us a 4th rounder for him in a heartbeat.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520847]Interesting... a move from 13 to 26 would result in our receiving that teams 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for roughly equal compensation (we would still owe 10pts).... i doubt any team would give their 1st 3 picks to move up 13 spots, although stranger things have happened.

We are definitely in a good position to move down though. There always seems to be alot of moves with teams who have picks in this part of the draft.... good for us.

In the hypothetical trade above, if we made the trade to move back 13 spots, and also traded Moss for a 2nd, we would end up with a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rd round picks... not bad.

In the end, I think our biggest offseason move (and the hardest one) is going to be resigning DeAngelo Hall.[/quote]

I'd be happy with a low 1st, a 2nd, and two 3rd round picks (we'd be getting the low 1st and 3rd from trading down).

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[quote=Ruhskins;520850]I'd be happy with a low 1st, a 2nd, and two 3rd round picks (we'd be getting the low 1st and 3rd from trading down).[/quote]

according to the trade chart, our pick is worth 1150 points. Assuming the chart was followed, the only situation where we would ONLY get a lower 1st rounder and an additional 3rd is if we traded back from 13 to 16. If we go back any further, we're talking about getting a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st, 3rd and 4th.

In all likelyhood, we will attempt to trade back multiple times unless there is a specific player in the top 20 we are targeting. I think our goal is to accumulate as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as we can. Beyond that, the draft is a total crap shoot. Youre not looking for 1st year starter, so think theres much difference than a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick IMO. The big thing becomes not what a player did in college, but how coachable he is. The future of players taken in rounds 4-7 is more dependant on the quality of the teams coaching staff than anything else. Of course, there are always exceptions, but i think its a rule that generally proves true.

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[quote=SmootSmack;520839]Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins[/quote]


Maybe if the chances of a deep playoff appearance existed I'd think there would be a chance. In this case though, I'd say the Pesci "F- You, Pay Me!" line would apply.

And for a team that doesn't look to be too competitive in the coming year...on the basis that the consensus is we almost need a whole new OL & DL which is more than 10 positions, at the least it's 6 positions which is still a lot to fill in one year.


I think that is a reason that Portis is so miffed. Saying we need get help on OL & DL is pretty much saying that you are rebuilding. Portis is close to his peak, in front or behind, and his career can't afford a rebuilding effort.

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Well it's obvious that we don't need to go after any Wide Receivers and Tight Ends. I hope to God Vinny doesn't waste another draft pick on a punter or kicker. Get one of those on the FA market.
If Vinny doesn't address the O & D lines then next year will be yet another wasted season. Also getting a LB somewhere in the middle rounds is probably a must.
If they can re-sign Taylor for a lot less money, then I'd let Washington go and use Taylor as a roving LB.
Remember, we have The Little Danny and Vinny running the Circus so anything can happen with these two clowns.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;520856]Well it's obvious that we don't need to go after any Wide Receivers and Tight Ends. I hope to God Vinny doesn't waste another draft pick on a punter or kicker. Get one of those on the FA market.
If Vinny doesn't address the O & D lines then next year will be yet another wasted season. Also getting a LB somewhere in the middle rounds is probably a must.
[B]If they can re-sign Taylor for a lot less money, then I'd let Washington go and use Taylor as a roving LB.[/B]
Remember, we have The Little Danny and Vinny running the Circus so anything can happen with these two clowns.[/quote]

If Taylor does not agree to a pay cut you would still keep him at $8.5M?
I wouldn't.

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Taylor has a contract. He's not restructuring. Why should he? To help his team? Why doesn't everyone on the team take a cut? Makes no sense. Hes a business man as well He comes out this season 100% and he will make a impact. But I don't see him risking injury for a 8-8 team. So not sure if he will give 100% unless he sees a post season brewing. I think it's up to the FO to find a way around the financials and still fill in the gaps with strategic drafts and FA. Not Taylors job or financial responsability.

And is anyone else getting tired of the Danny Vinny comments? Things are frustrating enough. Can't trade Dan or Vinny let's move on.

I agree with Smoot on the restructure statement

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the only motivation for a player like Taylor to restructure is if he still wants to play football and realizes that NO ONE will pay him the money that he is currently due on his contract. If Taylor felt like the redskins would cut him, and no one else would want him (or pay him what we were offereing), then its to his advantage to take a paycut and stay. Otherwise, he could hit the free market, and his value would only go down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520866]the only motivation for a player like Taylor to restructure is if he still wants to play football and realizes that NO ONE will pay him the money that he is currently due on his contract. If Taylor felt like the redskins would cut him, and no one else would want him (or pay him what we were offereing), then its to his advantage to take a paycut and stay. Otherwise, he could hit the free market, and his value would only go down.[/quote]

Interesting set of circuimstanses Aristocrat. I still tend to think the Skins want one more season out of him.
1) because of the value they placed on him and what they gave up to get him
2) because he was injured it delayed there true assesment of their investment

Tuff call.

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[quote=44ever;520878]Interesting set of circuimstanses Aristocrat. I still tend to think the Skins want one more season out of him.
1) because of the value they placed on him and what they gave up to get him
2) because he was injured it delayed there true assesment of their investment

Tuff call.[/quote]

Oh, i agree with you that the skins very likely WILL keep Taylor, if for no other reason than to "justify" paying so steep a price to get him. However, I don't think its what they SHOULD do.

If the skins did what they SHOULD do, Cerrato would have been fired and we would have hired a real GM a long, long time ago.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520853]according to the trade chart, our pick is worth 1150 points. Assuming the chart was followed, the only situation where we would ONLY get a lower 1st rounder and an additional 3rd is if we traded back from 13 to 16. If we go back any further, we're talking about getting a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st, 3rd and 4th.

In all likelyhood, we will attempt to trade back multiple times unless there is a specific player in the top 20 we are targeting. I think our goal is to accumulate as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as we can. Beyond that, the draft is a total crap shoot. Youre not looking for 1st year starter, so think theres much difference than a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick IMO. The big thing becomes not what a player did in college, but how coachable he is. The future of players taken in rounds 4-7 is more dependant on the quality of the teams coaching staff than anything else. Of course, there are always exceptions, but i think its a rule that generally proves true.[/quote]

I like the way you think, except we all know what VC did with three 2nd rounders last year!

Re: RI: What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520881]Oh, i agree with you that the skins very likely WILL keep Taylor, if for no other reason than to "justify" paying so steep a price to get him. However, I don't think its what they SHOULD do.

[B]If the skins did what they SHOULD do, Cerrato would have been fired and we would have hired a real GM a long, long time ago.[/B][/quote]

Bada-bing!
Amen.