Not impressed with our defense
 

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Some Buffalo sports writer chimes in with this:

[quote]They're gushing about Gregg Williams after his Washington defense held Tampa Bay without an offensive touchdown in a 16-10 win Sunday. In some quarters, they're already talking about his inevitable return some day as a head coach. But let's not get too giddy. It was one game, against a Buccaneers offense that might be the most woeful in the league. Let's see how the Redskins defense fares against a real NFL offense.[/quote]
Fair criticism or another low blow from the media?

Low blow. Lets not forget he did not get a fair shake in Buffalo. They took a injured running back with the number 1 pick who they knew he was not going to contribute. They don't exactly spend money up there. And shall we cast our own low blow.

No Super Bowls Won!!!

I am really sick and tired of all this negative crap about the Skins. Granted we've only played one game, but lets compare our defense on Sunday to last years. Anyone see a difference? Uhhh yeeeeaahhh!!!

Also, didn't Buffalo lose on Sunday? :stop:

Brad Johnson picked us apart last year. This year, nothing!
Enough said.

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Some Buffalo sports writer chimes in with this:


Fair criticism or another low blow from the media?[/QUOTE]


Also, who cares how bad Tampa's offense is "supposed" to be. Our D came out and did their job. We can't control who's injured, or holding out or who's too old. All the defense has to do is come out stop the offense no matter who's playing....plain and simple and we did that.

It's somewhat fair, yes it's only one game against a rather weak offense, BUT you've gotta give Williams some credit here. His resume speaks for itself as far as being a defensive coordinator goes. And who knows, far worse have had second shots as head coaches (Norv anyone?).

If anyone remembers Bill Belichick wasn't very successful his first go round as a HC (36-44 overall). Williams is a bright guy, I can't see how he won't get another shot at being a HC someday. Hopefully it's here after Gibbs is done with his second stint and added a few more SB trophies to the case. ;)

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Brad Johnson picked us apart last year. This year, nothing!
Enough said.[/QUOTE]

In all fairness there is some truth to this: It is only one game; the Skins D did not face ANY deep speed; 8 of their starting 11 offensive players were/are over 30 including their QB, their two starting WR's (well until Galloway got hurt) and to two RB's (both coming off injury); their O-Line had only one player from last year's line; their two tackles were both over 32 and one (Steussie) was playing a position he has never played before (RT). This was an old, slow offense. The Skins safeties were able to basically play w/in 15-20 yards of the line of scrimmage. T-Bay's offense is going to be VERY bad this year.

With that said, however, give credit where credit is due: This is the NFL - holding a team to 30 yards rushing, no first downs through 1 1/2 quarters and, essentially, no points (the FG was the direct result of the ST breakdown, not anything TBay's offense did) are things that don't happen every week in the NFL and, when they do, it is generally b/c a bad offense played a good defense.

I think this defense will be VERY VERY good b/c the players who weren't blitzing seemed to be holding their assignments, that, to me, is the key to this type of defense. But, yes. Let's see what do against a team that can actually get the ball deep and/or cause some separation. I expect we will do fine. BTW - that team had better have a defense as fast and stifling as T-Bays because - if we can put up 16 against that defense - we are going to be able to put up a lot more against lesser defenses.

Low blow:
I might be wrong, but I think our STARTING defense did not give up a TD this preseason until the Rams game, which was our fourth game.
These Buffalo a-holes are just soar grapes because they lost the Jags. We beat a team (Buc's) that won the superbowl a few years ago. They lost to a very average team.
Jerry Sullivan did say one thing right in his article....Tom Brady is the playing like the real MVP of this league. If Brady continues his high level of play this year, he better get the MVP award or something is seriously wrong.

I would say it was almost fair. You have to reallize these writers have a job to do and they are not going to make Buffalo look bad after only one week. You cannot win a Super Bowl in one week. Just like you cant have a domminant defense or offense in one week. It even took the Ravens a season to get recognised and now it is almost a given that they always have a tough D. After midseason when our defense is still dominant, that is when you will see credit given where credit is due.

What the f%#* would they know about a "real" offense in Buffalo?

its fair, the bucs O was slow and planned against for a very long time. still its better to shut down bad O's than let them run you over, so i'll take the stats and run with them. if we can hold the eagles or the vikes down, that will make a huge statement. The D is looking like it'll be top five right now, and you can't even compare it to last year...

SO, D = great, but outsiders are looking for a statement against a big O threat, and i'm curious as to how well we hold up there too.

Is the Bucs offense that bad or is the Redskins aggresive style of defense made them look that bad? I remember two years ago when Gruden went to TB he was touted as a offense of genius!!!! well is everyone now saying he is a offense dud?

his WRs are much worse this year... and the O line hasn't clicked cause of changes there... they also have 20+ new players on their roster, so its a different team. no KM hurts, and keyshawn is actually not a bad WR either.. galloway dropped a couple and limped off the field.

The best teams beat the teams they're expected to beat and don't let up no matter what the level of competition. Now I'm not saying we're one of the best teams-yet-but we gave the kind of performance-at least defensively-that you have to give regardless of the competition.

[quote]The best teams beat the teams they're expected to beat and don't let up no matter what the level of competition. Now I'm not saying we're one of the best teams-yet-but we gave the kind of performance-at least defensively-that you have to give regardless of the competition.[/quote]

right, i'm just wondering if a team like the vikes could beat the blitz and abuse our corners...

Obviously, they are bitter about Williams in Buffalo. So they take a dig. But it's a fair comment: the starting Buc offense didn't score a TD in preseason, and the were missing Galloway and Pittman. However, I am confident Williams will have a great D here. The problems in Buffalo were with the offense, not the D. They were ranked #2. I'm willing to guess that folks up there would love to have Williams as a coordinator.

We will be tested this year, and sometimes beaten, by good offenses that pick up the blitz or use misdirection/screens/dump-offs well. But we will also win games on sacks and turnovers. I doubt we'll crush a team as badly as we did Sunday, but this will be a high-ranked D. It's way to early to talk sh** about them,, even if your "bitter in Buffalo."

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Low blow:
I might be wrong, but I think our STARTING defense did not give up a TD this preseason until the Rams game, which was our fourth game.
These Buffalo a-holes are just soar grapes because they lost the Jags. We beat a team (Buc's) that won the superbowl a few years ago. They lost to a very average team.
Jerry Sullivan did say one thing right in his article....Tom Brady is the playing like the real MVP of this league. If Brady continues his high level of play this year, he better get the MVP award or something is seriously wrong.[/QUOTE]


Granted it was preseason, but I think so far in 2004 I think our starting D has only given up 1 TD. Tampa Bay scored 0 points on our defesne. That feild goal was a result of special teams, cause they didnt even get a first down. Look at what our starting D did to Atlanta. I hate to use preseason games in my argument, but I really have nothing else. I dont care who we play, the difference between our Defense last year and this year is night and day.

JWsleep said it a bit better than I've been able to... his post is pretty much dead on with my opinion.

[QUOTE=bridaman51]Is the Bucs offense that bad or is the Redskins aggresive style of defense made them look that bad? I remember two years ago when Gruden went to TB he was touted as a offense of genius!!!! well is everyone now saying he is a offense dud?[/QUOTE]
Ya. I didn't know that Gruden's offense wasn't a *real* offense.

Low Blow.

I agree with bridaman and cpayne, Gruden wins a SB and is hailed as an offensive guru and now his team struggles and it's "Tampa's offense is horrid". Give the respect where it's due, to our defense. Our guys made plays, and more importantly our defensive coordinator put them in position to make plays.

It's only one game, but so far the defense looks to be legit. Tons of pressure, guys coming free, forced fumbles, picks, it was a great night for the defense. The first of many, we all hope.

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Low Blow.

I agree with bridaman and cpayne, Gruden wins a SB and is hailed as an offensive guru and now his team struggles and it's "Tampa's offense is horrid". Give the respect where it's due, to our defense. Our guys made plays, and more importantly our defensive coordinator put them in position to make plays.

It's only one game, but so far the defense looks to be legit. Tons of pressure, guys coming free, forced fumbles, picks, it was a great night for the defense. The first of many, we all hope.[/QUOTE]


All true. BUTtake a look at the film - (as was pointed out by a TBay player) our safeties were playing where our LB's normally are. There was no stretch to this offense. Tampa's offense was horrid. That's why a GOOD defense crunched them.

What?
 

Who's got a real NFL offense, Buffalo?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]The best teams beat the teams they're expected to beat and don't let up no matter what the level of competition. Now I'm not saying we're one of the best teams-yet-but we gave the kind of performance-at least defensively-that you have to give regardless of the competition.[/QUOTE]


Good point Smootsmack. So true..

The Bills:

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[B][I]L[/I][/B]ove
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lol.

How impressed do you have to be?
 

Don't you all believe we would have narrowly lost the TB game without Williams? Remember that sick-in-your-gut feeling you used to get in the Norv-Marty-Spurrier era when the momentum would shift to the other team in the 2nd half, even though we had a 3 point lead, we couldn't get the mo back? Abandon the running game . . . fall into prevent defense . . . lose confidence in the game plan (which wasn't all that great to begin with).

Buffalo's still feeling the hurt of SB XXVI, where they gained 43 yards on the ground and got picked 4 times. Yes, we're not back to that level yet, but give us a little time to work out the kinks and get Sean Taylor up to speed.

Too bad we play another hurting team this week. I guess we'll prove nothing by winning that one either.

[quote]Low blow. Lets not forget he did not get a fair shake in Buffalo. They took a injured running back with the number 1 pick who they knew he was not going to contribute. They don't exactly spend money up there. And shall we cast our own low blow.[/quote]

If I remember correctly Travis Henry had a big year for Buffalo, even though he fumbled more than people would like, so McGahee being hurt isn't a real point.

They didn't spend money? They have Eric Moulds (one of the top 10 receivers in the league most of the time), Drew Bledsoe (old but still a rocket), and Travis Henry (Few fumbles, but solid player) as the core of the offense. Plagued with a fairly weak O line, but still a great group of guys. Let's look at defense.

Not many D coordinators or D minded head coaches would shy away from a defense with players such as Takeo Spikes, Londoln Fletcher, and Antoine Winfield. That Bills team had talent, especially on defense, and he had a miserable head coaching career with them. I have the utmost confidence that he can learn from his mistakes and come back when Gibbs goes back out of coaching in 5 years.

the skins d looked pretty good to me,i don't care who they were playing

So what people are saying the Redskins should lower their play to the level of their competition...????????? :shrug:

Or is it sour grapes for Buffalo for letting Williams go..............

[QUOTE=Daseal]If I remember correctly Travis Henry had a big year for Buffalo, even though he fumbled more than people would like, so McGahee being hurt isn't a real point.

They didn't spend money? They have Eric Moulds (one of the top 10 receivers in the league most of the time), Drew Bledsoe (old but still a rocket), and Travis Henry (Few fumbles, but solid player) as the core of the offense. Plagued with a fairly weak O line, but still a great group of guys.
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They let there best reciever go (Pierless Price) They drafted a injured running back when they had a very good one. They should have been drafting defense or olineman. My point was why draft a running back when you can get a all pro at another position. Wasted pick who wasn't going to play will not help Greg Williams.

Moulds is not one of the top 10. If so name the 9 others.

Daseal you are a wealth of information though.

the redskins started 3-1 last year and were having great come from behind victories and were clicking well. Of course then we finished 5-11. They can say whatever they want right now, we have to prove our selves all year, not just after a few games. You think the chargers think they are great just becuase they won in week one? They chargers will have to win more than that for us to give htem credit and people look at us the same way.

As far as im concerned, unless gibbs gets us to the playoffs this year people will look at it as a disappointment. And im not sure if I disagree with that.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]the redskins started 3-1 last year and were having great come from behind victories and were clicking well. Of course then we finished 5-11. They can say whatever they want right now, we have to prove our selves all year, not just after a few games. You think the chargers think they are great just becuase they won in week one? They chargers will have to win more than that for us to give htem credit and people look at us the same way.

As far as im concerned, unless gibbs gets us to the playoffs this year people will look at it as a disappointment. And im not sure if I disagree with that.[/QUOTE]

But if you look at the attention to detail, hardly any penalties....I don't think you will see the same type of collapse under Gibbs as happened with the Spurrier team............

[quote]But if you look at the attention to detail, hardly any penalties....I don't think you will see the same type of collapse under Gibbs as happened with the Spurrier team............[/quote]

i hope not, or else we're screwed ;)