Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/02/evans-to-redskins-start-me-or-lose-me.html]Evans to Redskins: Start me or lose me - DC Pro Sports Report[/url]

[QUOTE]DL [B]Demetric Evans[/B], who has started in place of injured linemen like DT [B]Cornelius Griffin[/B] and DE [B]Phillip Daniels[/B], will be a free agent on February 27 and he wants an assurance from the Redskins that he'll get [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/18/evans-wants-starting-shot/"]a chance to be a starter[/URL] -- or he's leaving for another team.[/QUOTE]

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I think he should be a priority to re-sign. Too often we let guys like him go.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527676]I think he should be a priority to re-sign. Too often we let guys like him go.[/quote]

Me too Matt. Even if we sign a young stud DE like Brian Orakpo, heck I would prefer him to start on the other side over Andre Carter for that matter. Evans plays hard and has shown a knack for applying pressure. Consistently? No. More often than any other player on the roster? I think so. If we are going to rebuild the Lines, you can't do it all in one season and Evans could be a time buyer at one spot.

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I really like the guy, but I think we have other priorities.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527676]I think he should be a priority to re-sign. Too often we let guys like him go.[/quote]

Agree. Id hate to see him star for another team. Lets keep the talent we already have.

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Evans is never going to be a "star", but he's a solid guy who plays hard and is a capable enough starter. I think we would be wise to keep him and dump Daniels.

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Let's just be sure not to pay him starter money if we're not going to make him the 16 tame starter, which I don't think we should.

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Love to keep him -- if he wants to start, goodbye.

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Yeah I should say I'm really not interested in giving him starter type money either. I like him as a backup/spot starter but nothing more. If someone out there wants to give him a big payday I think we have to let him walk.

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imo hes not a starter in this league. hes a backup defensive end who can fill in every once in a while capably. if he is a starter on any nfl team there is a problem imo. let him see how many teams will pay him to be a starter, when he realizes its zero he will accept a lower contract from us

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I'm kind of torn on Evans. I don't think we will re-sign him because he's going to price himself out of our range (especially with Rosenhaus) but I also don't see him going somewhere else to make a Pierce or Clark like impact on another team. He's a little more than 'just a guy' but not too much more.

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I really like Evans and would hate to lose him but I wouldn't give him starters money either. If he walks, it gives some of our younger guys a chance to step up and show what they can do.

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He didnt say he wants to be the starter (according to this), he just wants the assurance to have the chance to start.... as he should. Anyone who goes to training camp should be looked at as a potential starter...if I went to training camp and had pads on, I should be a potential starter, whoever is best should play.... now if he wants a gauranteed position, or the money of a starter, than see ya later...but I really wanna see this guy back in B & G next year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527681]Evans is never going to be a "star", but he's a solid guy who plays hard and is a capable enough starter. I think we would be wise to keep him and dump Daniels.[/quote]

I meant to type I'd hate to see him "start" for another team. Not "star":)

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[quote=Gmanc711;527709]He didnt say he wants to be the starter (according to this), he just wants the assurance to have the chance to start.... as he should. Anyone who goes to training camp should be looked at as a potential starter...if I went to training camp and had pads on, I should be a potential starter, whoever is best should play.... now if he wants a gauranteed position, or the money of a starter, than see ya later...but I really wanna see this guy back in B & G next year.[/quote]

"I've proven I can start in one of the toughest divisions in football," Evans said this week. "I don't want to be a backup anymore. I started in 2005 at tackle when Cornelius [Griffin] was hurt, and I started at end when Phillip [Daniels] was hurt in 2004 and again last year.[B] I want to stay in Washington, but I want to be a starter." [/B]

Sounds like he's saying he wants to start

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Evans is solid, and I think it might just be semantics to get into starter v. 2nd string, cause he can play dt & de, so he might get more snaps than a starter in some games even if he's a backup. He can get a lot of time at dt in the nickel.

I think it's a good year to re-sign him, there shouldn't be too much $ out there in the market & he's not the pass rusher that teams look for & pay big $. I could see him getting a 4 year deal w/a bonus no more than 4-5$ mil.

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[quote=Big C;527689]imo hes not a starter in this league. hes a backup defensive end who can fill in every once in a while capably. if he is a starter on any nfl team there is a problem imo. let him see how many teams will pay him to be a starter, when he realizes its zero he will accept a lower contract from us[/quote]

Yeah, but, we have no real starters at DE that would start anywhere else.

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Let him be a starter but at the same time don't break the bank. By the way, I hate it when players start making threats.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;527719]Let him be a starter but at the same time don't break the bank. By the way, I hate it when players start making threats.[/quote]

What did he say that was a threat? He simply said he wants to be a starter. He's a free agent so there's nobody to threaten.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527681]Evans is never going to be a "star", but he's a solid guy who plays hard and is a capable enough starter. I think we would be wise to keep him and dump Daniels.[/quote]

I meant to type "start" not "star". Anyway I agree for 2 reasons speaking of stars Daniels if he ever was a "star" will never become one again at [B]36 years old[/B] and injury proned.

Where Evens is turning 30 and has been solid. And has the ability to start and stay healthy.

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Well, you can go look at my comment in the D-line thread. If we are looking to keep status quo then let him go. If we are looking to get younger then kick the older guys to the curb and sign Evans to replace one of them. Either way I get the feeling from some of the more knowledgable that keeping him or letting him go is status quo also. So I guess if all depends on if we want to get younger or not. If he's looking for the payday like Pierce got as a General of the defense or like Buffalo paid our O-Lineman then let him go. If he's simply looking for a few more dollars then last year then sign him. If he truly believed this team was going somewhere why would he want to miss out on a ring?

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[quote=Paintrain;527720]What did he say that was a threat? He simply said he wants to be a starter. He's a free agent so there's nobody to threaten.[/quote]

Uhmm, make me a starter or lose me.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;527717]Yeah, but, we have no real starters at DE that would start anywhere else.[/quote]

Carter is a legit starter in this league.

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When did he actually say start me or lose me. He said he wants to stay in Washington, but he also wants to be a starter. And the two may not be compatible

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[quote=SmootSmack;527727]When did he actually say start me or lose me. He said he wants to stay in Washington, but he also wants to be a starter. [B]And the two may not be compatible[/B][/quote]

Exactly, basically he said it by inference.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527726]Carter is a legit starter in this league.[/quote]

Well, I think we all have debatable opinions on that. I am not going to over value our players just because they are Redskins. Carter had 23 tackles and only 4 sacks. I don' think he applies pressure on a consistent basis at all. A starter on this defensive line? yes. On a good defensive line? Never.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;527735]Well, I think we all have debatable opinions on that. I am not going to over value our players just because they are Redskins. Carter had 23 tackles and only 4 sacks. I don' think he applies pressure on a consistent basis at all. A starter on this defensive line? yes. On a good defensive line? Never.[/quote]

I don't think he would start for every team necessarily but I do think he would start for a good majority.

I don't think I'm over-valuing him anymore than people here tend to under-value our players just because they are Redskins.

Scouts Inc. ranks him as a 76, which means he's a solid starter.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;527732]Exactly, basically he said it by inference.[/quote]

I don't think so, because he could end up deciding that staying in Washington is his best option even if it's not as a starter. Either way, I don't think it's a threat. The guy is a free agent and he's free to pursue what it's in his best interests. Just like if the Redskins let him walk they're doing what they feel are in their best interests.

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Looking at our roster, Evans is without question the 2nd best DE we have. He's also the 3rd best DT we have. If we let Evans go, who would we replace him with? According to the Times article, it seems like Evans will be the 2nd best free agent DE on the market. So, if we let Evans go, then the only place we can look to upgrade the position is the draft. If we let Evans go, the only way we can potentially upgrade the position is by using our 1st round pick on a DE like Orakpo or Maybin.

Personally, i dont want to be "locked in" to having to draft a DE with our first pick... especially considering we have few picks and multiple needs on both lines. Unless Evans is looking for some obscene amount of money, we need to resign him before free agency begins. Considering how much cap room teams have and the "slim pickings" at DE available in free agency, Evans could very well be "overpaid" by another team if he hits the market.

Evans has said he wants to start and he wants starter money... but starters accross the league make varying amounts of money. I certainly think Evans is worth a contract paying [I]up to [/I]1.5M/year on average. I certainly would be appauled if we let Evans go and kept Daniels or Taylor. Letting both go saves us over 10M next year... which is more than enough to resign Evans and either Monty or Golston, if not all three. Doing so would give us greater flexibility in the draft and keep the nucleus of a top 4 defense in tact. Even with the same front 4 as last year (Carter/Griffin/Monty/Evans), we should be able to put more pressure on the QB if we upgrade the LB position. Washingtons constant injuries last year forced us to play the diminuitive HB Blades at OLB which really hurt us. We certainly need to upgrade our defensive line, but getting a bigger OLB to replace washington would be easier to find in free agency (and probably cheaper too). IMO DE is a position we can afford to delay another year. if we make the right moves at other positions this year, DE, DT, and probably QB will be the only positions we need really need to worry about in 2010.

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So . . . . Who starts if he doesn't?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527761]So . . . . Who starts if he doesn't?[/quote]

Could be Daniels, or Taylor if he is brought back.

I know... not great options, which makes bringing back Evans pretty important if you ask me.

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Thing is Evans' greatest value is probably not as a starter anyway. As BHA points out, the guy is versatile enough to play both DE and DT. He's a versatile backup who can slide into multiple positions when asked.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527762]Could be Daniels, or Taylor if he is brought back.

I know... [B]not great options[/B], which makes bringing back Evans pretty important if you ask me.[/quote]

Exactly. Pay him what he's worth and play him. If you don't have anyone that's better than where do you go? Overpay him a little if you have to. How much production did we get out of Taylor yet we want to gripe about a few measily 500k here or there?

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Well he only made 869,000 last year. 1.5 might get him to sign and he's definitely worth that. I think Daniels makes 2 mil.

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We could probably gauge the "This is Vinnys ship now" by this move alone. I say if he elects to let Evens walk in favor of keeping a 36 year old Daniels, then its the same old same old. And this decision can be projected throughout the entire FA/Draft/Cut process. IMO

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This is all straight from the Rosenhaus playbook. Get the media involved, throw out a veiled (or outright) threat, generate a buzz, leading to a bigger contract.

Signing Evans is a key priority. He's versatile and solid. BHA is probably right on with the $$$ about $ 1.5M or so per year, 4 yr. deal. Once Evans is signed, either Taylor or Daniels can be released. Probably Daniels due to injury issues and the fact that he can't switch to LB like JT. The FO will hold Taylor pending what happens in the draft or if a better FA LB is signed. Bottom line, unless Raji slips, any DL upgrade waits until next year.

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[quote=44ever;527768]We could probably gauge the "This is Vinnys ship now" by this move alone. I say if he elects to let Evens walk in favor of keeping a 36 year old Daniels, then its the same old same old. And this decision can be projected throughout the entire FA/Draft/Cut process. IMO[/quote]

Excellent point. The trade for Taylor last year can atleast be understood in terms of a desperation move.... and one that was praised by many prominent media outlets at the time. Drafting 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round can even be rationalized.

But letting Evans walk and retaining Taylor and/or Daniels now would be completely inexcuseable. Like you indicated, what Cerrato does here will show us whether he is really trying to build for the future or if he's stuck in the same "win now" mentality that has plagued our franchise for years.

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[quote=53Fan;527767]Well he only made 869,000 last year. 1.5 might get him to sign and he's definitely worth that. I think Daniels makes 2 mil.[/quote]

Daniels makes $2.2M. He's 6 years older than Evans and makes nearly 3x as much. I think Demetric deserves a pay raise, and I'm no cap expert, but I think something in 3-4 year, $6M-$7M range sounds fair. Maybe with like $4M guaranteed.

He's tough, he works his tail off, he's never been a problem in any way, he has the versatility to play end or tackle, and is a solid run stopper. All that said, he's simply not a great or even very good player. I'd say he's teetering on the line of great backup/average starter.

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As a role player ..Yes A starter bu bye

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when daniels went down i will never ever understand why evans wasn't handed the job. i like evans, he's been a solid player for us for a while now. the problem is he really isn't a difference maker. i say keep him. he deserves a chance to be the starter and he deserves a raise.