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[quote=PETER KING IN MMQB]There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why Redskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle. But I kept asking all weekend: "Who wants Haynesworth -- or, more appropriately, who's going to pony up for him?'' And I got the old "it only takes one'' answer a few times. But one coach told me the smartest thing, and this was a coach who has some interest in getting Haynesworth at the right price, which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get. "Everybody I've asked this weekend says, 'We're out of that,' or 'I don't think you'll see us involved in Haynesworth.' ''[/quote]

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I know there is a lot of split opinions on here about Haynesworth, is he a pocket collapsing DT we've all been craving or is he playing for a pay day and now will get fat and lazy?

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He's much better than any DT we have now, even when he's not playing for a contract. He's also intimidating and we could use a badass on defense.

Defense wins championships.

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Given the probability that the salary cap era is coming to a close, I would pay ANY PRICE to get Albert Haynesworth.

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[quote=Schneed10;529021]Given the probability that the salary cap era is coming to a close, I would pay ANY PRICE to get Albert Haynesworth.[/quote]

AMEN.

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[quote=Schneed10;529021]Given the probability that the salary cap era is coming to a close, I would pay ANY PRICE to get Albert Haynesworth.[/quote]

I didn't realize the cap was [B]permanently [/B]going away...if that's the case shine up another Lombardi Trophy for the Redskins!! LOL.

HAIL!

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Had a feeling this rumor might pop up soon

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/521497-post63.html[/url]

Still, it's a bit presumptious (sp?) to think just because Snyder and Speck are having dinner they must be talking about Haynesworth. Maybe they were just having dinner. Maybe they were talking about another one of Speck's clients, Malcolm Kelly.

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Peter King sounds like your typical Snyder basher with this article. Man, what have the Redskins done to this guy?

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I'm really on the fence with Haynesworth. The guy is a monster no doubt, I'm just scared that once he has a fat new deal in place he might get lazy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;529032]I'm really on the fence with Haynesworth. The guy is a monster no doubt, I'm just scared that once he has a fat new deal in place he might get lazy.[/quote]

Washington Post Headline: [I][B]Haynesworth Diagnosed with Dana Stubblefield Disease[/B][/I]

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[quote=SmootSmack;529029]Had a feeling this rumor might pop up soon

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/521497-post63.html[/url]

Still, it's a bit presumptious (sp?) to think just because Snyder and Speck are having dinner they must be talking about Haynesworth. Maybe they were just having dinner. Maybe they were talking about another one of Speck's clients, Malcolm Kelly.[/quote]

Sure, sure. Malcolm Kelly. That must have been it. No mention at all of Haynesworth.

[B]NOT![/B] You're way too smart to believe that. Of course they were talking about Haynesworth!

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I hope this is false. Haynesworth is already said to take time off of plays and isn't exactly what you'd consider a high motor guy. He's quite talented, but how many years does he really have left. Considering the pay-day he'll command -- not worth it at all.

Ruhskins -- Could it possibly be that King is saying the truth? You're biased. I'm biased. We're Redskins fans. From listening to King on NFL radio, he speaks well and backs up all of his opinions with solid facts. He's said many good things about the Redskins and he's brought out our weaknesses. One thing I've learned from NFL radio, is every fan thinks the media picks on/hates their team. I heard Cowboys fans saying they get no respect last off-season. As fans we see our team as the center of the NFL universe, and don't like to hear negative things about our team, even if they are true.

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I have seen Hanesworth on and off the field here in Tennessee alot... The Titans don't want to loose this guy! He will make Jason Taylor and and Carter play better and the CB's don't have to dominate to win...just maintain coverage!!!! Will also help the O-Line in practice.

We have other needs but if we address it right in the draft then I think DT will be added help!

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[quote=Schneed10;529021]Given the probability that the salary cap era is coming to a close, I would pay ANY PRICE to get Albert Haynesworth.[/quote]

not to hijack the thread, but do you really think that the cap will go away???????

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[quote=Mattyk72;529032]I'm really on the fence with Haynesworth. The guy is a monster no doubt, I'm just scared that once he has a [B]fat[/B] new deal in place [B]he might get lazy[/B].[/quote]

I hope not matty. Is'nt he F. Tagged?

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[quote=SmootSmack;529029]Had a feeling this rumor might pop up soon

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/521497-post63.html[/url]

Still, it's a bit presumptious (sp?) to think just because Snyder and Speck are having dinner they must be talking about Haynesworth. Maybe they were just having dinner. Maybe they were talking about another one of Speck's clients, Malcolm Kelly.[/quote]

Bingo. My first thought when i read this was wondering who else Speck represented. I'm sure Haynesworth was brought up during the conversation (how could he not be?), but theres no way we can put ourselves in a position (financially) to pay Haynesworth.

As to Peppers, I'm pretty sure the Pathers franchised him, and we dont have the ammunition to trade for him. in addition to not being able to afford his salary, by all apperances we are keeping Jason Taylor so i'm not sure how Peppers would fit in with our plans. Really, both Peppers and Taylor are really 3-4 OLBs so i dont understand why we would want [I]both[/I] of them.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;529034]Washington Post Headline: [I][B]Haynesworth Diagnosed with Dana Stubblefield Disease[/B][/I][/quote]


you took the words right out of my mouth Haynesworth scares me his numbers doesn't [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]suggest[/FONT][/COLOR] the kind of payday he wants

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[quote=44ever;529046]I hope not matty. Is'nt he F. Tagged?[/quote]

He is not F. Tagged! I can see why many are not embracing the paying of a mercenary because with our history it has not helped us! but with selective FA and using the draft we can get where we want to! We have only just begun using the draft in a way that will bear fruit in a couple of years!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;529042]not to hijack the thread, but do you really think that the cap will go away???????[/quote]

that comment surprised me too. my understanding was that it might go away for a year or two, but would eventually come back in some form or another.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529047]Bingo. My first thought when i read this was wondering who else Speck represented. I'm sure Haynesworth was brought up during the conversation (how could he not be?), but theres no way we can put ourselves in a position (financially) to pay Haynesworth.

As to Peppers, I'm pretty sure the Pathers franchised him, and we dont have the ammunition to trade for him. in addition to not being able to afford his salary, by all apperances we are keeping Jason Taylor so i'm not sure how Peppers would fit in with our plans. Really, both Peppers and Taylor are really 3-4 OLBs so i dont understand why we would want [I]both[/I] of them.[/quote]

What does Peppers have to do with this? Did King mention Peppers?

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i really hope we get haynesworth. without trying he is still naturally better than any DT we've had in recent memory. well, at least since griff in '04.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529050]that comment surprised me too. my understanding was that it might go away for a year or two, but would eventually come back in some form or another.[/quote]

the nflpa (well, its recently deceased head man, gene upshaw, anyway) said that IF the cap goes, it is gone for good.

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Im with Matty I hope we don't give him a hugeee contract and he decides to be average at best

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I'd say get him and pay him what he wants, just make the contract production oriented...you want to make the big bucks, keep up the good work! These big contracts that are all front-loaded are crazy...the players have no incentive to keep playing at the pace that's gotten them to this point when their bank account is now fat.

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This reminds me of a couple years ago when it was reported that the Skins had JeMarcus Russell in for a workout. Everybody (well, at least a lot of people) paniced & thought we might trade up to the #1 spot & get him. In reality it was just the Skins staff doing its due diligence.

The Danny is a serious biz man. Who knows how many dinners at Mortons he's had w/how many agents? Just because Peter King finds out doesn't suddenly make it significant. The danny is a dealer w/a historic propensity to drop lots of cash on free agents, so what agent that has worked w/him in the past wouldn't want to bend his ear & make a pitch for their client w/him? The 2 having dinner could've ended up being more about the Danny telling him that he's not going to pay too much for anybody, i.e. how Haynesworth is out of his price range.

On the other hand, of course DS wants to see what the agent is asking for, if nothing else for comparison's sake in how to gauge the market.

As for the football part of it, don't do it! AH is not worth it!

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[quote=J. Spanky;529053]the nflpa (well, its recently deceased head man, gene upshaw, anyway) said that IF the cap goes, it is gone for good.[/quote]

yeah i know they said that, but IMO it was a negotiating tactic to scare the owners. i never put any stock in it. by all appearances, if a new CBA isnt reached by 2010, the owners are going to lockout the players in 2011. at that point, a new CBA will be negotiated with a salary cap.

i would be shocked if the lockout lasted more than 4-6 games. once players stop receiving those nice weekly paychecks, theyll push the NFLPA to get something done asap.

In reality, i think 2010 will be uncapped, but a new CBA will be signed DURING the 2010 season: In this economy, teams are NOT going to go crazy thowing cash at free agents. What WILL happen though, is the small market teams will take advantage of the lack of a salary FLOOR in 2010 and not spend money on players. Players will throw a fit and force the union to get something done ASAP. In the end, this scenario works really good for the skins. In 2010, we can cut all our aging vets with huge cap numbers and get them off the books. We can also pay tons of bonus money to players in 2010 so that they have lower cap numbers in 2011 and beyond. Once a new CBA is reached, we'll be positioned to be 20-40M under whatever the new cap is just like everyone else. we'll finally have a "clean slate." Hopefully, by that time, Danny will have learned from his past mistakes and not dig us back into another hole.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529051]What does Peppers have to do with this? Did King mention Peppers?[/quote]

No. you posted a link to a thread about Peppers (that evidently also mentioned haynesworth), so i was just throwing my two cents out there on him. sorry for the confusion.

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[quote=J. Spanky;529052]i really hope we get haynesworth. without trying he is still naturally better than any DT we've had in recent memory. well, at least since griff in '04.[/quote]

Do you want Haynesworth enough that you'd also not sign DeAngelo Hall, cut Springs, cut Griffin, not find a suitable replacement for Marcus Washington, and go into the season with Carlos Rogers (if hes not traded) and Fred Smoot as our starting cornerbacks?... because thats what it would mean. The contract Haynesworth will sign will be the equivalent of the contract for atleast 4 other QUALITY starters for our defense.

Unless the market for Haynesworth completely dematerializes and he wants to sign for us for the "vet minimum" because he loves the redskins so much, he's not worth it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;529042]not to hijack the thread, but do you really think that the cap will go away???????[/quote]

The owners want it to cause it puts a strain on what they can do. and since the NFLPA does not a bonified leader yet there's no one to argue for or against. I think I heard or read the players would like it gone also cause some teams can't bid on them due to money constraints.

My big question is can the Skins make a deal where he will fall into our CAP space this year and then get his pay day next year after the CAP is gone and not effect the Skins? and then would he go for it? cause I get the impression he wants his payday now.

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Haynesworth is a stud when he's playing for a contract. When he's not.... not so much.
King makes good points:
- He has yet to play a full season without missing multiple games (he's missed 25 games the past 6 seasons).
- He's known for taking plays off.
- He's never played more than 65% of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season.
- He'll be 28 this year.
- He wants to get paid 8 figures a year well into his mid-30's.

NO THANKS. I agree with the other folks around here who think this reeks of Dana Stubblefield.

Signing him would go directly against the fiscally responsible youth movement we're craving around here.

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The correct pronunciation of Dana's last name is Stubbydick not Stubblefield.

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haynesworth will be the next best free agent signing since we got london fletcher...even if he doesn't try, he's still a big body and a force for our defense

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Pass on Haynesworth, let someone else be the sucker

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[quote=freddyg12;529058]This reminds me of a couple years ago when it was reported that the Skins had JeMarcus Russell in for a workout. Everybody (well, at least a lot of people) paniced & thought we might trade up to the #1 spot & get him. In reality it was just the Skins staff doing its due diligence.

The Danny is a serious biz man. Who knows how many dinners at Mortons he's had w/how many agents? Just because Peter King finds out doesn't suddenly make it significant. The danny is a dealer w/a historic propensity to drop lots of cash on free agents, so what agent that has worked w/him in the past wouldn't want to bend his ear & make a pitch for their client w/him? The 2 having dinner could've ended up being more about the Danny telling him that he's not going to pay too much for anybody, i.e. how Haynesworth is out of his price range.

On the other hand, of course DS wants to see what the agent is asking for, if nothing else for comparison's sake in how to gauge the market.

As for the football part of it, don't do it! AH is not worth it![/quote]

Not a bad point. Haynesworth's agent might also be making the rounds and knows that if he can get word out that Dan Snyder is interested he might be able to get more money from a team like Tampa Bay that has $40 million in cap space (so Dan does him a solid and they both get dinner at Morton's). I'm sure the Redskins would be interested in Haynesworth, I just don't understand how they could afford to bring him on at $15 mil per year (the number King mentioned). That is not to say it is not possible, maybe it is pretty easy if you dump Taylor and Springs, but it seems like it would be next to impossible to get both Hall and Haynesworth done.

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The fact that he's only going to pay 65% of snaps is exactly why I would not spend the big bucks on him. Because otherwise, he is worth it.

If the price comes down after a week or two, I would get into the mix on Haynesworth. He's a sound investment at less than elite prices.

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I'd much rather have Hall than Hworth

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;529070]Not a bad point. Haynesworth's agent might also be making the rounds and knows that if he can get word out that Dan Snyder is interested he might be able to get more money from a team like Tampa Bay that has $40 million in cap space (so Dan does him a solid and they both get dinner at Morton's). I'm sure the Redskins would be interested in Haynesworth, I just don't understand how they could afford to bring him on at $15 mil per year (the number King mentioned). That is not to say it is not possible, maybe it is pretty easy if you dump Taylor and Springs, but it seems like it would be next to impossible to get both Hall and Haynesworth done.[/quote]

It would be worth our while to drive his price up by just putting our name to it. Skins interested drives the price up I have to believe.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;529036]Sure, sure. Malcolm Kelly. That must have been it. No mention at all of Haynesworth.

[B]NOT![/B] You're way too smart to believe that. Of course they were talking about Haynesworth![/quote]

Yea, yea..Malcolm Kelly that's it.

It's not pure conjecture...i would give it about a 99% chance AH's name came up at some point.

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I agree with all you guys.... I could not have said it better...:blah:

Haynesworth would up grade our d-line, just don't do it at the expense of all our other need areas.

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I am doing what the Skins should more often.....abstaining. I want Big Boy...but I am way burnt out on mega dollars for superstars that don't produce.......

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If FAT **** KING is so sure of this story then why are we restructuring Griffin's contract?