Dawkins Does Denver; Fickle Philly Fans Frustrated
 

This report per CBS 3 here in Philly says Dawkins has agreed in principle with the Denver Broncos.

Important to note that there are conflicting reports, some indicate this is jumping the gun. The major news outlets, like ESPN and SI, have not confirmed this yet.

It was indeed confirmed that Dawkins did at least visit with the Broncos today. And the Broncos did indeed sign Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter.

[url=http://cbs3.com/local/Philadelphia.Eagles.NFL.2.946479.html]Reports: Brian Dawkins Expected To Fly The Coup - cbs3.com[/url]

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If this is true, and if I were an Eagles fan, I'd be FURIOUS. It's one thing to cut guys [U]to gain cap space[/U] when they're on the downside of their career. But when you're the Eagles, perennially flush with cap space, it's inexcusable to let this guy go. Yeah he's old, he gets burned in coverage, but his leadership and emotional impact on his teammates is invaluable. Not to mention he can still hit like a ton of bricks.

This is the kind of thing that makes me thank the good Lord for Danny. I'd rather have someone who does everything in his power. It's the far better alternative to having a cheapskate ownership like Philly does.

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Yeah. I posted over in the Free Agent thread: [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/531539-post677.html[/url]

It seems like it's pretty much a done deal. Dawkins is apparently flying to Denver as we speak.

And yes, the Eagles' fans are PISSED.

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Dawkins' departure from the Eagles is one of the best FA moves for the rest of the NFC East. The Eagles basically lose their heart and soul with this one move...

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If so...we'll get to see him this season again...! When we CRUSH denver! :)

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[quote=NYCSkin;531584]Dawkins' departure from the Eagles is one of the best FA moves for the rest of the NFC East. The Eagles basically lose their heart and soul with this one move...[/quote]
I agree 100%, I was excited when I heard the news that he is supposed to go to the Broncos.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;531588]If so...we'll get to see him this season again...! When we CRUSH denver! :)[/quote]

The Eagles will get to face him too! LOL!

I'd love to see them bring back Todd Pinkston for that game, I want to see him alligator it against his old teammate!

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ESPN still doesn't have it listed. ... In my glee at Eagles fans discomfort, have I once again given theim karmic hope?!

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/26789-is-anyone-else-enjoying-eagles-implosion.html[/url]

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One of my favorite players of all time. Only thing I never liked about him was the uniform.

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I actually don't mind Dawkins so much now that he's not an eagle.

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Good for Dawkins. The fresh air will do him good and he won't have to face Sellers twice a year.

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[quote=53Fan;531634]Good for Dawkins. The fresh air will do him good and he won't have to face Sellers twice a year.[/quote]

Or getting thrown under the bus by McNabb.

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great move for us. the eagles are better with dawkins than whoever he's being replaced with.

stupid ownership decision there.

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The Eagles are getting a bit raped so far, I believe both their safeties are gone now.

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I'm glad he signed with Denver. I always liked him when he played for the Eagles, and now that he doesn't play for them I like him even more haha.

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If Dawkins leave the Eagles...they are in trouble on defense...and that makes me very happy!!

Dawkins could cover a whole bunch of mistakes on that team...just like Sean Taylor did for us.

8 yard gains may now go for 20....thanks Denver!!
Can you say flood the middle of the field with 2 TEs!!

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[quote=53Fan;531634]Good for Dawkins. The fresh air will do him good and he won't have to face Sellers twice a year.[/quote]

Probably my favorite MNF of recent memory was the game in Philly a couple years ago. I was at the Arlington Cinema Drafthouse.

Tony Kornheiser opened the game and said that Joe Gibbs was Washington's Rocky Balboa except that Joe is real.

21 silenced the crowd with a monsterous hit.

Todd Yoder steamrolls Dawkins and puts him out of the game after ESPN pumped Dawkins up to hero proportions in the pre-game coverage.

Washington's last touchdown was off tackle behind Samuels.

The next morning Doc Walker talks about how much he likes the "Wolverine" but that if ESPN wants to do an expose, do it on Caveman Sellers "because he didn't have to be carried off of the field".

Classic!

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Welcome back to the cellar Philly!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;531863]Probably my favorite MNF of recent memory was the game in Philly a couple years ago. I was at the Arlington Cinema Drafthouse.

Tony Kornheiser opened the game and said that Joe Gibbs was Washington's Rocky Balboa except that Joe is real.

21 silenced the crowd with a monsterous hit.

Todd Yoder steamrolls Dawkins and puts him out of the game after ESPN pumped Dawkins up to hero proportions in the pre-game coverage.

Washington's last touchdown was off tackle behind Samuels.

The next morning Doc Walker talks about how much he likes the "Wolverine" but that if ESPN wants to do an expose, do it on Caveman Sellers "because he didn't have to be carried off of the field".

Classic![/quote]

Great Post! :woot:

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;531863]Probably my favorite MNF of recent memory was the game in Philly a couple years ago. I was at the Arlington Cinema Drafthouse.

Tony Kornheiser opened the game and said that Joe Gibbs was Washington's Rocky Balboa except that Joe is real.

21 silenced the crowd with a monsterous hit.

Todd Yoder steamrolls Dawkins and puts him out of the game after ESPN pumped Dawkins up to hero proportions in the pre-game coverage.

Washington's last touchdown was off tackle behind Samuels.

The next morning Doc Walker talks about how much he likes the "Wolverine" but that if ESPN wants to do an expose, do it on Caveman Sellers "because he didn't have to be carried off of the field".

Classic![/quote]

Nice. That was definitely an awesome game. My beer almost came out of my nose when Kornheiser made the "except Joe Gibbs is real" comment.

Speaking of safeties, man I miss Sean Taylor.

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[quote=GMScud;531891]Nice. That was definitely an awesome game. My beer almost came out of my nose when Kornheiser made the "except Joe Gibbs is real" comment.

Speaking of safeties, man I miss Sean Taylor.[/quote]

The Drafthouse was pretty quiet when Kornheiser did the opening. When he said that I screamed out, "That's right!" I couldn't help it.

Selfishly, it is so unfair to have your most talented player taken from you in such a senseless fashion. Part of me is glad that he was all ours while he played.

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while there is no doubt age is catching up with him, his locker leadership will be sorely missed in Philly. according to comcast, the eagles didnt expect that kind of offer. i love it when other teams are caught with their pants down

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There is no way that Philly won't miss Dawkins (I view him as their Ray Lewis). I know their policy is to get rid of guys a year early but I think that they should have let Dawkins have at least another year (I think he is talented enough to warrant a franchise tag) bought McNabb a big receiver and give it one more run.

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Dawkins is Awesome. IMO. Also my favorite non Skins player. He will definatly be missed by Philly. My Brother is a Eagles fan and on the phone it sounds like he's crying over it. He's 35 years old. (maybe he has a cold):) BIG mistake by Philly IMO. for many reasons as posted by many of you. The only good thing about it, is for us he leaves the NFC East. Man the Eagles are gonna stink this season. Good pick up by Denver.

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Good article from Clark Judge on B-Dawk. Philly looks just like the a-holes they are by not keeping him.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11439733]Letting Dawkins go makes few cents, little sense for Eagles - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url]

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Hopefully Dawkins leaving is enough detriment to the team to make McNabb request to be traded.

Anybody catch the Lito traded to the Jets story? I heard the Jets just gave Lito a new contract too.

[url=http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/jets-extend-lito.html]JETS EXTEND LITO - NBC Sports Blogs[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;532003]Good article from Clark Judge on B-Dawk. Philly looks just like the a-holes they are by not keeping him.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11439733]Letting Dawkins go makes few cents, little sense for Eagles - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url][/quote]

Thanks for that article GMScud: And your right the Eagles are a-holes. Not only for not keeping him. but because they cut him knowing that the Philly fans love him. Not to mention he is a Great player. I know its better for us that he is no longer part of the NFC East.

With that said, I enjoy the games in the NFC East because it is the toughest division with some the most talented players in the NFL. Dawkins was certainly part of that. So from that perspective. I will miss him also.

I also agree Dawkins will be considered for the HOF some day. He was the Eagles Darrell Green. Dumb move Philly!

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[quote=GMScud;532003]Good article from Clark Judge on B-Dawk. Philly looks just like the a-holes they are by not keeping him.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11439733]Letting Dawkins go makes few cents, little sense for Eagles - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url][/quote]
So they are a-holes but they "do a solid job personnel-wise".
[quote=GMScud]Philly does a solid job personnel-wise. They do a good job in the draft for the most part and understand the importance of the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

This is why I said in the other thread that I would rather have our FO. Yes they manage the personnel, but do the owners care about the fans or players- it's pretty hard to tell. Does DS, I think what he has spent, Redskins One on draft day, the team at ST21's funeral, all show that he does. Will Snyder ever learn how to build the dynasty we all want to see, I hope so, but will he ever act like he doesn't care, I doubt it.

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[B]Anyone that thinks these guys don't care should listen to this[/B]
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Click on an audibly emotional Dawkins

This makes me hate the Eagles even more. They truly lost a great player and person in Dawkins. He was the Eagles.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;532034]So they are a-holes but they "do a solid job personnel-wise".


This is why I said in the other thread that I would rather have our FO. Yes they manage the personnel, but do the owners care about the fans or players- it's pretty hard to tell. Does DS, I think what he has spent, Redskins One on draft day, the team at ST21's funeral, all show that he does. Will Snyder ever learn how to build the dynasty we all want to see, I hope so, but will he ever act like he doesn't care, I doubt it.[/quote]

Well, obviously they made a mistake here. Have we not made worse mistakes? The bottom line is they absolutely do a solid job personnel wise, which was my only point all along. Otherwise they wouldn't have gone to 5 NFC Championship games in the past 10 years (how many have we been to in that span?).

I don't like it one bit, but it's not really up for debate who the better team has been since Snyder bought the Redskins. And bringing up Snyder's private plane as an argument is really funny. Not to mention Sean Taylor's funeral. I'm sure the majority of owners would have been extremely generous in such a difficult time. Snyder handled Sean's death with grace and compassion, but who is to say Jeffrey Lurie wouldn't have done the same?

And yeah, they are a-holes and still do a good job with personnel. Football is a brutal business. Winning comes before feelings. That said, losing Dawkins was stupid and unnecessary, but Lurie had some pretty nice things to say:
[I]
"Brian Dawkins has been one of the pillars of this franchise for 13 years," Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said in a written statement posted on the team's website. "He helped lead us to five NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Brian embodies everything you look for in a professional athlete and human being. I have been fortunate to witness his impeccable character, his passion for the game of football and his commitment to being the best player he could be. I look forward to continuing a close relationship with him once his playing days are over. His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer."[/I]

This may all sound like I'm an Eagles fan. Absolutely not even close. But I'll take their front office over ours any day. Hopefully Vinny and Co. will prove me wrong.

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[quote=Schneed10;531567]If this is true, and if I were an Eagles fan, I'd be FURIOUS. It's one thing to cut guys [U]to gain cap space[/U] when they're on the downside of their career. But when you're the Eagles, perennially flush with cap space, it's inexcusable to let this guy go. Yeah he's old, he gets burned in coverage, but his leadership and emotional impact on his teammates is invaluable. Not to mention he can still hit like a ton of bricks.

This is the kind of thing that makes me thank the good Lord for Danny. I'd rather have someone who does everything in his power. It's the far better alternative to having a cheapskate ownership like Philly does.[/quote]

I agree with you on this 100% Schneed.

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[quote=GMScud;532123]Well, obviously they made a mistake here. Have we not made worse mistakes? The bottom line is they absolutely do a solid job personnel wise, which was my only point all along. Otherwise they wouldn't have gone to 5 NFC Championship games in the past 10 years (how many have we been to in that span?).

I don't like it one bit, but it's not really up for debate who the better team has been since Snyder bought the Redskins. And bringing up Snyder's private plane as an argument is really funny. Not to mention Sean Taylor's funeral. I'm sure the majority of owners would have been extremely generous in such a difficult time. Snyder handled Sean's death with grace and compassion, but who is to say Jeffrey Lurie wouldn't have done the same?

And yeah, they are a-holes and still do a good job with personnel. Football is a brutal business. Winning comes before feelings. That said, losing Dawkins was stupid and unnecessary, but Lurie had some pretty nice things to say:
[I]
"Brian Dawkins has been one of the pillars of this franchise for 13 years," Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said in a written statement posted on the team's website. "He helped lead us to five NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Brian embodies everything you look for in a professional athlete and human being. I have been fortunate to witness his impeccable character, his passion for the game of football and his commitment to being the best player he could be. I look forward to continuing a close relationship with him once his playing days are over. His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer."[/I]

This may all sound like I'm an Eagles fan. Absolutely not even close. But I'll take their front office over ours any day. Hopefully Vinny and Co. will prove me wrong.[/quote]

All valid points GMScud. I'm giving my opinion purely as a fan of the sport. I understand the business end is tough. But Dawkins just seemed indespensable, the way he has and is playing and what he meant to the team and fans. As I said before he was the Darrell Green of the Eagles. Imagine how we would have felt if he was delt the same deal. Im still pissed about Monk. He should have retired a Redskin. I probably sound like a Eagles fan. Im not. But I have to admitt I am a Dawkins fan


On a side note: I know your not a Eagles fan:)

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I think this was a 2 way street, The Eagles were going to sign him (just not right away) and the Broncos offered him a surprising deal that was a no brainer. It's not like someone put a gun to his head to sign now.

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[quote=Schneed10;531567]If this is true, and if I were an Eagles fan, I'd be FURIOUS. [B] It's one thing to cut guys [U]to gain cap space[/U] when they're on the downside of their career. But when you're the Eagles, perennially flush with cap space, it's inexcusable to let this guy go. [/B]Yeah he's old, he gets burned in coverage, but his leadership and emotional impact on his teammates is invaluable. Not to mention he can still hit like a ton of bricks.

This is the kind of thing that makes me thank the good Lord for Danny. I'd rather have someone who does everything in his power. It's the far better alternative to having a cheapskate ownership like Philly does.[/quote]

Let me just say that I agree totally with your first bolded statement. Letting Dawkins walk for what is essentially a 2yr $9M contract with Denver was just dumb.

My argument with CRedskinsRule is that I would take their current FO over our current FO. They win more than we do. Plain and simple. And, as you point out, they are perennially flush with cap space. So if they win more and spend much less, I'd say that makes them better on and off the field.

I don't know if I'd "thank the good Lord for Danny." Sure, he does everything in his power. But he has a history of kidding himself into thinking he's a football mind, and that power you speak of has often turned into foolish big spending.

I would however thank the good Lord for Danny if he gave personnel autonomy AND a blank check to a solid group of football minds and said, "build me a winner the right way."

Again, I apologize to all if I sound pro-Eagle in these posts. I'm just trying to take my fandom out of this and judge the situation based on facts.

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[quote=GMScud;532131]Let me just say that I agree totally with your first bolded statement. Letting Dawkins walk for what is essentially a 2yr $9M contract with Denver was just dumb.

My argument with CRedskinsRule is that I would take their current FO over our current FO. They win more than we do. Plain and simple. And, as you point out, they are perennially flush with cap space. [B]So if they win more and spend much less, I'd say that makes them better on and off the field[/B].

[B]I don't know if I'd "thank the good Lord for Danny." Sure, he does everything in his power. But he has a history of kidding himself into thinking he's a football mind, and that power you speak of has often turned into foolish big spending.

I would however thank the good Lord for Danny if he gave personnel autonomy AND a blank check to a solid group of football minds and said, "build me a winner the right way." [/B]

Again, I apologize to all if I sound pro-Eagle in these posts. I'm just trying to take my fandom out of this and judge the situation based on facts.[/quote]

Great points here GMScud

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[quote=GMScud;532131]Let me just say that I agree totally with your first bolded statement. Letting Dawkins walk for what is essentially a 2yr $9M contract with Denver was just dumb.

My argument with CRedskinsRule is that I would take their current FO over our current FO. They win more than we do. Plain and simple. And, as you point out, they are perennially flush with cap space. So if they win more and spend much less, I'd say that makes them better on and off the field.

I don't know if I'd "thank the good Lord for Danny." Sure, he does everything in his power. But he has a history of kidding himself into thinking he's a football mind, and that power you speak of has often turned into foolish big spending.

I would however thank the good Lord for Danny if he gave personnel autonomy AND a blank check to a solid group of football minds and said, "build me a winner the right way."

Again, I apologize to all if I sound pro-Eagle in these posts. I'm just trying to take my fandom out of this [B]and judge the situation based on facts[/B].[/quote]

Well what the hell you want to do that for? :)

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[quote=44ever;532129]All valid points GMScud. I'm giving my opinion purely as a fan of the sport. I understand the business end is tough. But Dawkins just seemed indespensable, the way he has and is playing. As I said before he was the Darrell Green of the Eagles. Imagine how we would have felt if he was delt the same deal. Im still pissed about Monk. He should have retired a Redskin.

On a side note: I know your not a Eagles fan:)[/quote]

44, aren't you a closet eagles fan? :lol:

On this website we mention character a lot, and think this applies to this situation. McNabb has been a prick all season, acting like a diva (just like TO), yet the team retains him and get rid of a good character guy like Dawkins.

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[quote=Ruhskins;532135]44, aren't you a closet eagles fan? :lol:

On this website we mention character a lot, and think this applies to this situation. McNabb has been a prick all season, acting like a diva (just like TO), yet the team retains him and get rid of a good character guy like Dawkins.[/quote]

According to Giantone yes.:vomit:
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Click on an audibly emotional Dawkins

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Can't say I'm sad to see him leave the division. But I am definitely surprised the Eagles let him walk. He is still a serious baller too, even at 35. He was the heart and soul of that defense.

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[quote=GMScud;532131]Let me just say that I agree totally with your first bolded statement. Letting Dawkins walk for what is essentially a 2yr $9M contract with Denver was just dumb.

[B]My argument with CRedskinsRule is that I would take their current FO over our current FO. They win more than we do. Plain and simple. And, as you point out, they are perennially flush with cap space. So if they win more and spend much less, I'd say that makes them better on and off the field.[/B]

I don't know if I'd "thank the good Lord for Danny." Sure, he does everything in his power. But he has a history of kidding himself into thinking he's a football mind, and that power you speak of has often turned into foolish big spending.

I would however thank the good Lord for Danny if he gave personnel autonomy AND a blank check to a solid group of football minds and said, "build me a winner the right way."

Again, I apologize to all if I sound pro-Eagle in these posts. I'm just trying to take my fandom out of this and judge the situation based on facts.[/quote]

The reason the Eagles win more often than we do isn't their front office and their scouting. The reason is the QB. Donovan McNabb is (and has been) a far better QB than anybody we've been put on the field during the past 10 years. Other than that, their front office has not acquired an appreciably greater level of talent than the Redskins have.

Their first round DTs, Bunkley and Patterson are starting to come into their own, but neither has reached the Pro Bowl, and when you're picked that high you should. Their attempts to find a TE worth a darn have been a dismal failure - franchising LJ Smith and giving him top 5 TE money? Their best offensive lineman, Shawn Andrews, has major mental problems and has trouble staying on the field. The rest of the linemen can't drive block to save their lives, and consequently the Eagles can never run the ball successfully on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1. Their linebackers are solid, but underwhelming. Safeties and corners are underwhelming, except for Asante Samuel. And I don't think I need to get into the WRs.

The Eagles have had some success, but so have we. You have to be thrilled with Brian Westbrook in the 3rd round, just like you do with Chris Cooley. Trent Cole has developed into an impact player, just like Mike Sellers. Overall, there is nothing about the non-QB personnel that makes me think the Eagles are better than the 'Skins. And it showed last year, we swept them.

While the Redskins have made boneheaded mistakes in free agency, like Adam Archuleta, the Eagles have made the mistake of doing too little. What's the bigger crime? Having a franchise QB capable of taking you all the way, and doing NOTHING to give him a significant weapon in the passing game, even though your team has both the cash and the cap space to do so? Or shelling out as much money as the cap allows to fill out your team, but missing badly?

See, the thing is, if the Eagles were willing to spend in free agency like the Redskins, combining that with Philly's ability to avoid the blunder on such decisions, and combining that with a franchise QB? You'd have at least one Super Bowl right now, and there's no Eagle fan that doesn't feel that way right now. How can you leave your fans thinking that McNabb's great career was wasted, all because the front office wouldn't sack up and pay a receiver?

I'd rather have Danny and Vinny any day. They'll make mistakes, but at least they'll try. And hell, even a blind squirrel has to find a nut eventually. When McNabb is done in Philly and they have to rely on Kevin Kolb, that team will enter a VERY dark period.