Munching the Mocks: Andre Smith now leads for Redskins
 

[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/03/mocks-are-pointing-to-ot-andre-smith-for-the-redskins.html]Mocks are pointing to OT Andre Smith for the Redskins - DC Pro Sports Report[/url]

[QUOTE][B]Redskins fans[/B], get used to this article, because form now until the draft, every time we Munch the [URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/mockdraftdatabase/nfl.html"][B]NFL Mock Draft Datbase[/B][/URL], you will find out here at DC Pro Sports Report what the latest trend is for the Redskins at #13.

As far as Andre Smith and the [URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/mockdraftdatabase/nfl.html"][B]NFL Mock Draft Database[/B][/URL] goes, he is rapidly becoming a popular choice at #13 for the Redskins. As of two weeks ago, we would have been lucky to see 2 mocks mention Smith at #13, but, with the latest updates and consensus munching, Smith is now the leader.
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I still think that Smith will go ahead of us, but I will always stay optimistic that we will at least draft some type of Offensive Lineman in the draft.

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At this point it is obvious we will draft an o lineman.. the question is whether Orakpo drops to us at 13, At that point we may take him. If Orakpo doesn't fall to us at 13 I would think we will draft best OT available (highest rated on the board that is left) If the 4 top rated OTs (Monroe, smith, smith, Oher) are not there, the only person I think we would take if available is Maualuga... And if he's not there either, we trade down... I think?

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Smith has too many question marks for me. Yes he's a beast but word from Schefter and others was that his stock was already tumbling before his disappearing act at the combine. Apparently his interviews were terrible, he came in way out of shape, told some teams he didn't realize he could train until 2 weeks before the combine (WHAT!?!), he turned off a lot of teams and going AWOL was just the icing on the cake..

I was saying to take it easy on him when it happened, but to think of him at #13 is a little too scary.

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At 13 I think we take Oher givien how far Smith has slipped due to attitude, weight, work ethic. If Orakpo is their I might take him but the LB class is deep this year so we could draft a OLB in the 3rd.

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He better have a great pro day workout March 11th or his stock will fall.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ea7e80&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Pro Day workout schedules for universities released[/url]

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I'd prefer to trade down and draft Mack and get some extra picks. Rabach isn't getting any younger and I'd be willing to bet Mack could play guard also which is good because Randy Thomas is starting to break down.

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i would love to have him. but i wouldn't put alot of stock in them. Kiper has us taking Orakpo. i put alittle more stock into him, seeing that's what the man does for a living. even McShay( whom i don't like) has us taking Oher ( sp?)

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Munch? Ok. Why can't we just pick up that freak of a DE who jumped higher then anyone else...and use him to block field goals. LOL.

Seriously though. If they pick at 13 fine. I'm betting they look to find a team who wants to trade up for someone and pick up a second rounder. Now if they trade someone prior to draft day for a second then I would have no doubt they pick at 13. Either way I'm betting it's either the top OL or top DE unless the top LB is still on the board which I doubt.

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I'd take Smith I don't care if he can do an interview, Interview's don't block D-Lineman. I say check him out in Private workout and judge him on football skills. F%^k the Interviews. As long as there's no drugs or crime I say take him..

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[quote=Eknox;533389]I'd take Smith I don't care if he can do an interview, Interview's don't block D-Lineman. I say check him out in Private workout and judge him on football skills. F%^k the Interviews. As long as there's no drugs or crime I say take him..[/quote]

:goodjob:

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Trade down and load up with picks.

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[quote=John Denny;533376]I'd prefer to trade down and draft Mack and get some extra picks. Rabach isn't getting any younger and I'd be willing to bet Mack could play guard also which is good because Randy Thomas is starting to break down.[/quote]

I second that.

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Getting back into the second round of the draft is imperative for the Skins. With our first round pick, hopefully to occur in the latter half of the first round, I covet Connor Barwin, a 4-3 defensive end / 3-4 linebacker out of Cincinnati. This guy was a two-way player for Cincinnati and ran a 4.66 40 at the combine. He had 15½ tackles for loss, 11 sacks and seven pass breakups in his one season on defense.

He played tight end and special teams from 2005 through 2007, caught 53 balls for 692 yards and six touchdowns.

I'm just putting it out there.

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Here's how I look at it;
We need in order from most needed to least needed, on the Oline:
A tackle, then a guard, then a center now by the time we pick these guys and these values they have should be available:
Michael Oher, can play T or G (2 needs in one pick) round: mid to late first
Andre smith, can play T or G (2) first
Eben Britton, can play T (1) late first
Alex mack, can play C or G (2) late first mid 2nd
Eric wood can play C or G (2) 2nd
Max unger can play C, G, or T (3) 2nd
Will Beaty can play T (1) late 1st- 2nd
Jamon meredith can play T or G (2) 2nd-3rd
Phil loadholt T only 2nd-3rd
Duke Robinson G maybe T (1.5) 2nd
Johnathan luigis C maybe G (1.5) 3rd to 4th
Antoine caldwell C, G (2) 3rd to 5th


I figure we trade down, and trade betts and Jansen, get a 20's range pick and an early second rounder for Oher and alex mack, and with the 3rd rounder we get an OLB or DE

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[quote=Nflnick11;533491]Here's how I look at it;
We need in order from most needed to least needed, on the Oline:
A tackle, then a guard, then a center now by the time we pick these guys and these values they have should be available:
Michael Oher, can play T or G (2 needs in one pick) round: mid to late first
Andre smith, can play T or G (2) first
Eben Britton, can play T (1) late first
Alex mack, can play C or G (2) late first mid 2nd
Eric wood can play C or G (2) 2nd
Max unger can play C, G, or T (3) 2nd
Will Beaty can play T (1) late 1st- 2nd
Jamon meredith can play T or G (2) 2nd-3rd
Phil loadholt T only 2nd-3rd
Duke Robinson G maybe T (1.5) 2nd
Johnathan luigis C maybe G (1.5) 3rd to 4th
Antoine caldwell C, G (2) 3rd to 5th


I figure we trade down, and trade betts and Jansen, get a 20's range pick and an early second rounder for Oher and alex mack, and with the 3rd rounder we get an OLB or DE[/quote]

If we trade Betts we need a RB. Who would trade for Jansen? Unless we stand pat, we are not taking a cap hit on him.

Oher isn't making it to the 20s. Mack should be there but you never know. I think any good lineman could be picked higher than the "projections".

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we wouldn't get much for betts and or jansen. certainly not a second round pick.

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[quote=Nflnick11;533491]Here's how I look at it;
We need in order from most needed to least needed, on the Oline:
A tackle, then a guard, then a center now by the time we pick these guys and these values they have should be available:
Michael Oher, can play T or G (2 needs in one pick) round: mid to late first
Andre smith, can play T or G (2) first
Eben Britton, can play T (1) late first
Alex mack, can play C or G (2) late first mid 2nd
Eric wood can play C or G (2) 2nd
Max unger can play C, G, or T (3) 2nd
Will Beaty can play T (1) late 1st- 2nd
Jamon meredith can play T or G (2) 2nd-3rd
Phil loadholt T only 2nd-3rd
Duke Robinson G maybe T (1.5) 2nd
Johnathan luigis C maybe G (1.5) 3rd to 4th
Antoine caldwell C, G (2) 3rd to 5th


I figure we trade down, and trade betts and Jansen, get a 20's range pick and an early second rounder for Oher and alex mack, and with the 3rd rounder we get an OLB or DE[/quote]

Look closer at the cap spreadsheet... trading/cutting Jansen now will cost almost $3 mill whereas keeping him as a backup this year, preferably at G/C, and cutting him next year will save over $2 mill. He's not going anywhere. Similar sitz w/ Betts but only about a $1 mill loss vs gain in '10. If we get another pick this year it probably comes from the tenders we placed on Golston and Monty, which is the smartest way to go.

... btw I'm starting to think all top four OTs will be gone by 13. A. Smith is probably gonna rise in value again, but also consider there are teams, KC as an example, that won't need the services of a rookie QB as we move closer to the draft. Basically I expect the QBs to fall in the draft order and the safer picks, OL and DL, to rise. I think the scenario then is we'll still have a shot at Rey Maualuga, unless Denver grabs him, but he is probably the last player available worth the 13th overall. And for those who automatically think "trade-down" keep in mind few teams will want to trade down if none of these guys are available.

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[quote=The Goat;533502]Look closer at the cap spreadsheet... trading/cutting Jansen now will cost almost $3 mill whereas keeping him as a backup this year, preferably at G/C, and cutting him next year will save over $2 mill. He's not going anywhere. Similar sitz w/ Betts but only about a $1 mill loss vs gain in '10. If we get another pick this year it probably comes from the tenders we placed on Golston and Monty, which is the smartest way to go.

... btw I'm starting to think all top four OTs will be gone by 13. A. Smith is probably gonna rise in value again, but also consider there are teams, KC as an example, that won't need the services of a rookie QB as we move closer to the draft. Basically I expect the QBs to fall in the draft order and the safer picks, OL and DL, to rise. I think the scenario then is we'll still have a shot at Rey Maualuga, unless Denver grabs him, but he is probably the last player available worth the 13th overall. And for those who automatically think "trade-down" keep in mind few teams will want to trade down if none of these guys are available.[/quote]

So who do you think we'll get?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;533518]So who do you think we'll get?[/quote]

Well GTripp thinks we're getting Suggs in a trade that will cost us 1st round picks in '09 and '10. (I guess using him as a LDE).

I wanted Suggs bad for SLB... not really sure how great he'd be at LDE.

I don't know what the hell we're doing... i probably need to eat some ice cream and go to bed.

Where u been btw... haven't seen any elderly abuse recently.

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[quote=The Goat;533526]Well GTripp thinks we're getting Suggs in a trade that will cost us 1st round picks in '09 and '10. (I guess using him as a LDE).

I wanted Suggs bad for SLB... not really sure how great he'd be at LDE.

I don't know what the hell we're doing... i probably need to eat some ice cream and go to bed.

Where u been btw... haven't seen any elderly abuse recently.[/quote]Ha, I don't think that's actually being considered. I just pointed out that in the way my mock drafts are coming out, the Redskins aren't going to have the available talent they want when they pick, so we could be looking at Cushing or someone at No. 13.

I'm saying that I personally would do a poison pill deal with Suggs. Hate to give up the draft picks, but Suggs is so young, he's basically a draft pick anyway.

Ice cream sounds like a great idea!

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[quote=The Goat;533502]... btw I'm starting to think all top four OTs will be gone by 13. A. Smith is probably gonna rise in value again, but also consider there are teams, KC as an example, that won't need the services of a rookie QB as we move closer to the draft. Basically I expect the QBs to fall in the draft order and the safer picks, OL and DL, to rise. I think the scenario then is we'll still have a shot at Rey Maualuga, unless Denver grabs him, but he is probably the last player available worth the 13th overall. And for those who automatically think "trade-down" keep in mind few teams will want to trade down if none of these guys are available.[/quote]I also think the four tackles will be gone.

Maualuga might actually be there when we pick, and Mack will for sure. Thing is, I don't know if either is even going to be on our radar.

I'd go in this order:

Mack
Maualuga
Cushing

And given those options, Suggs! (for WLB of course)

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[quote=GTripp0012;533529]Ha, I don't think that's actually being considered. I just pointed out that in the way my mock drafts are coming out, the Redskins aren't going to have the available talent they want when they pick, so we could be looking at Cushing or someone at No. 13.

[B]I'm saying that I personally would do a poison pill deal with Suggs. Hate to give up the draft picks, but Suggs is so young, he's basically a draft pick anyway[/B].

Ice cream sounds like a great idea![/quote]

That makes so much sence its scary.
Im getting some ice cream.

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[quote=The Goat;533526]Well GTripp thinks we're getting Suggs in a trade that will cost us 1st round picks in '09 and '10. (I guess using him as a LDE).

I wanted Suggs bad for SLB... not really sure how great he'd be at LDE.

I don't know what the hell we're doing... i probably need to eat some ice cream and go to bed.

Where u been btw... haven't seen any elderly abuse recently.[/quote]

Crap I hope we don't do that. I'd love to have Suggs but not at the expense of draft picks when we've so many needs.

I see it this way. We only have two real needs now for the defense: a linebacker and a defensive end. Seeing how they didn't tender Evans they've probably got something cooking at the park.

The real need is the O-line. I think they've addressed some of our need with Dock coming back. If they don't or aren't able to trade down I think they will take Andre Smith if he falls to us. It would be overkill to get Rey, Orakpo, or Everret Brown to complete our defense when there is still much to be addressed on the right side O-line.

Randy is coming back from a surgery. Jansen and Heyer competing for RT? Yeah right! If anything they'll compete for back up jobs with a rookie if that. I can see Heyer coming in for pass blocking and Jansen subing for the run but they need a stud at RT. I'd like to have J.Smith but his stock is rising. I think they should get the best T in the draft. Although I'd like to get Mack it makes more sense for a T if no one wants to trade down.

I had some business I had to attend to but I was keeping track. I knew this blog would blow it's top when FA started. The big thing next is going to be the draft.

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Wait, if we say "If he plays 5 games in the state of Maryland, the contract becomes fully guarenteed", we screw ourselves.

Move the Redskins to DC. Then get Suggs.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;533533]Crap I hope we don't do that. I'd love to have Suggs but not at the expense of draft picks when we've so many needs.

I see it this way. We only have two real nees now for the defense: a linebacker and a defensive end. Seeing how they didn't tender Evans they've probably got something cooking at the park.

The real need is the O-line. I think they've addressed some of our need with Dock coming back. If they don't or aren't able to trade down I think they will take Andre Smith if he falls to us. It would be overkill to get Rey or Everret Brown to complete our defense when there is still much to be addressed on the right side.

Randy is coming back from a surgery. Jansen and Heyer competing for RT? Yeah right! If anything they'll compete for Back up jobs with a rookie if that. I can see Heyer coming in for pass blocking and Jansen subing for the run but they need a stud at RT. I'd like to have J.Smith but his stock is rising. I think they should get the best T in the draft. Although I'd like to get Mack it makes more sense for a T if no one wants to trade down.

I had some business I had to attend to but I was keeping track. I knew this blog would blow it's top when FA started. The big thing next is going to be the draft.[/quote]

Dude the question here is what we do if all top 4 OTs are gone and more importantly maybe what we're doing between now and draft day if the FO feels that is going to be the reality.

... my gut tells me Rey will be last really special talent left @ 13. I basically started to think we'd approach the draft this way by getting the best OT FA in Willis, load up on what DE talent we can, grab the damn punter everyone wants, and then we'd be well set to take Rey. Maybe it still happens this way i guess.

I ice cream is really good you guys... banana split :)

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Just got here. Who's got ice cream?

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I'm starting the Lets draft Suggs thread:)

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Don't mix the ice cream with the poison pill...

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[quote=44ever;533537]I'm starting the Lets draft Suggs thread:)[/quote]

Huh...

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[quote=53Fan;533536]Just got here. Who's got ice cream?[/quote]

Goat started the ice cream thing. He actually has me eating ice cream right now:)

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[quote=The Goat;533539]Huh...[/quote]

Just kidding. Then again....hmmmmm.

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The problem is that these teams are in the market for a franchise tackle:

1. Detroit
2. St. Louis
4. Seattle
6. Cincinnati
7. Oakland
8. Jacksonville
9. Green Bay

And with only four of them to go around, it's unlikely that any get past GB, or even Jacksonville for that matter.

Which means GB might go with Orakpo instead. And then Buffalo and Denver need linebackers...you get my drift.

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Have guys thought about what happens if we actually draft a RB... bye bye Rock right? No way we'll carry 4 RBs on the roster through the season. Brings up the issue of KR. For my money, and I expect i'm alone on this one, Thomas should be our KR. This guy just has amazing athleticism and until he proves he can be a real threat at WR we should get our money out of him elsewhere.

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[quote=The Goat;533543]Have guys thought about what happens if we actually draft a RB... bye bye Rock right? No way we'll carry 4 RBs on the roster through the season. Brings up the issue of KR. For my money, and I expect i'm alone on this one, Thomas should be our KR. This guy just has amazing athleticism and until he proves he can be a real threat at WR we should get our money out of him elsewhere.[/quote]We carried 4 RBs most of last year, if you can call Shaun Alexander that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533544]We carried 4 RBs most of last year, [B]if you can call Shaun Alexander that.[/B][/quote]

I wouldn't call it that but you're still right.

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[quote=The Goat;533546]I wouldn't call it that but you're still right.[/quote]Well, they still counted him towards the 11 people we were allowed on the field at once, but Zorn should have appealed that ruling.

When we played on the road, the playing surface was as much a factor as he was.

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no way in heck are we trading betts, they like him a lot...for some unforeseeable reason to me.

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[quote=tootergray34;533551]no way in heck are we trading betts, they like him a lot...for some unforeseeable reason to me.[/quote]

lol... thanks for the update. I kinds liked Betts too but the knee injury last year, when we wasn't getting many carries in the first place, has me wondering. I tend to think we take a RB in the 5th or 6th round this year.

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[quote=The Goat;533552]lol... thanks for the update. I kinds liked Betts too but the knee injury last year, when we wasn't getting many carries in the first place, has me wondering. I tend to think we take a RB in the 5th or 6th round this year.[/quote]Agreed, and the other pick will be a DE of some sort.