Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13
 

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[QUOTE]As for the [B]Washington Redskins[/B] at #13, the leader remains for the second straight update [B]OT Andre Smith[/B].. In fact, Smith jumped 9% and now commands 39% of the 114 mock drafts updated in March projecting him to the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

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Yeah and his stock is falling due to bad showing at his Pro-day.

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Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.

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bad pro day numbers. 19 reps? 5.3 aint great either, but it's less important.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;536018]Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.[/quote]

and how's that worked out?

yeah yeah, 3 years, i know. i'm hoping for signs of life too.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;536018]Somethings wrong, I mean 19 reps? I guess he really is a football player though I wonder if we draft him should he fall to us after a trade down. i mean right now it's suggested that six tackles could go in the first round this year and that includes Eben Britton and James Merideth on the back end so it's not like he'll slide to the second round. Still you got to wonder I mean Vinny wasn't scared off by Kelly's (and possibly Davis's) workout performances so you never know.[/quote]

After the out of shape Thomas and Kelly drama last year, Vinny should be smart enough to stay away from this guy. He'll probably fall to the 2nd round at this stage. I say Draft Mack, a sure bet of a player.

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[quote=That Guy;536024]bad pro day numbers. 19 reps? 5.3 aint great either, but it's less important.[/quote]Reps are worthless as a combine tool though, because blocking is all footwork, balance and hand placement anyway.

We look at nineteen reps and say "whoa, he's not nearly as strong as other guys" but anyone who can put up 225 12 times or more is plenty strong to play in the NFL. He's still in the top 0.3% of males at his age, obviously.

If he [I]does[/I] fail in the NFL, it will be for other reasons. Perhaps his relative bench totals and 40 time are indicative of a bigger problem, but there's no correlation between combine (or pro day) bench reps and NFL success anyway, so I'd say the kids stock probably shouldn't fall any because of this.

If anything, this validates his story at the combine about not wanting to work out, and was probably a good business decision in the long run. Had he put up a 14 spot at the combine, he might have dropped out of the first round. Now, he's still going to be the third or fourth tackle taken.

Of course, reason #1 why the draft process is good: some team would have taken this guy with the first or second overall pick after the season ended.

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I think Chris Samuels only did 19 (or fewer) reps at his pro day as well

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Imagine the hilarity of NBA players losing stock in drafts because of low situp totals and slow suicide sprint times.

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The fact that he showed up out of shape to the combine is reason enough for me to say no thanks. We need players that WANT to play and be their best.

SS -- Does your sig mean you want that future bust LB from Ohio State? =p

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It means he's someone I'd consider as a weakside linebacker if we had a later pick in the draft, but I'm continously changing that...later today I'm updating to a new player

(For the record, at 13 I want either Oher or Andre Smith and I probably won't waver from that.)

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[quote=SmootSmack;536047]It means he's someone I'd consider as a weakside linebacker if we had a later pick in the draft, but I'm continously changing that...later today I'm updating to a new player

(For the record, at 13 I want either Oher or Andre Smith and I probably won't waver from that.)[/quote]

Smith had a horrible performance at the alabama pro-day today. He's been off my list for guys id take at 13 for a while and hes dropped even further down it now. id considering him below 25, but it would depend on who else was there.

Right now, if we stay at 13, my votes for Oher or Maualuga. I think Oher can be a franchise LT and Maualuga could be the next Ray Lewis. Both would make it hard for me chose to trade down if they were there at 13.

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At #13 I'd still take Alex Mack. Various scouting reports have said the following: " The best o-lineman in the draft PERIOD." * " Reportedly the only lineman who could contain B.J. Raji on the first day of practice at the Senior Bowl." * " Drove Raji off the line." * " Could play any position on the line except LT." * " The only center in years who deserves to be taken in the first round." Keep Heyer at RT. He could very well work out, if not, draft a LT next year. In the meantime you've gotten the best center prospect to come along in years. You have a player who can play multiple positions. You have improved your o-line this year. LB or DE in the third.

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[quote=53Fan;536058]At #13 I'd still take Alex Mack. Various scouting reports have said the following: " The best o-lineman in the draft PERIOD." * " Reportedly the only lineman who could contain B.J. Raji on the first day of practice at the Senior Bowl." * " Drove Raji off the line." * " Could play any position on the line except LT." * " The only center in years who deserves to be taken in the first round." Keep Heyer at RT. He could very well work out, if not, draft a LT next year. In the meantime you've gotten the best center prospect to come along in years. You have a player who can play multiple positions. You have improved your o-line this year. LB or DE in the third.[/quote]

1000% in agreement!! Smith is going to be a bust Oher, moher has potential but could take time. Mack you just plug into your lineup and watch him contain Ratliff, Patterson, Bunkley, Fred Robbins and Barry Coffield, all our NFC East inside linemen.

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I'll still take smith, it's not about your performance on the combine, it's about how you perform on the field which smith is really good at, I'll also take maualuga and Oher...and for all you fans of getting a center, especially mack, don't expect us to get one, because I heard or saw somewhere that Vinny thinks rabach is fine and that we have worse needs at tackle, plus he's well awhere that rabach is one of our younger lineman...our problem is at RT and RG, at the moment... And oher and smith can play both those positions...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;536065]1000% in agreement!! Smith is going to be a bust Oher, moher has potential but could take time. Mack you just plug into your lineup and watch him contain Ratliff, Patterson, Bunkley, Fred Robbins and Barry Coffield, all our NFC East inside linemen.[/quote]

Yup, I second the Mack Train.

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[quote=Nflnick11;536066]I'll still take smith, it's not about your performance on the combine, it's about how you perform on the field which smith is really good at, I'll also take maualuga and Oher...and for all you fans of getting a center, especially mack, don't expect us to get one, because I heard or saw somewhere that Vinny thinks rabach is fine and that we have worse needs at tackle, plus he's well awhere that rabach is one of our younger lineman...our problem is at RT and RG, at the moment... And oher and smith can play both those positions...[/quote]

That's why Vinny is the village idiot!! Smith is not looking good. Why did Smith let himself go? Especially knowing that you have to perform in front of pro scouts and NFL personnel, that's inexcusable. I'm sorry, he has a big [B]?[/B] all over him.

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So after all this clamor about addressing the line, we may end up getting a defensive player at #13. I think people are making too much of this combine and pro day business (funny I didn't see Oher or Monroe in the top performers at the combine).

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[quote=Daseal;536045]The fact that he showed up out of shape to the combine is reason enough for me to say no thanks. We need players that WANT to play and be their best.[/quote]

I don't know that I'd say "no thanks" cut and dry but while the numbers don't concern me at all football-wise what the numbers mean mentally do. He was out of shape...he knew it at the combine and he was still out of shape today. Not that he could have really done a ton in the few short weeks but when his trainers are visibly upset then I am getting really concerned. I think with proper motivation the guy could be a stud. But who knows if he is a head case or not. Some athletes hate working out and get out of shape very easily and then come back each season and work their way back in time for the season. Some are just lazy and think they are the sh*t and get run over consitently until they're out of the league. So that's the question. Is he a big head or just a bad decision maker?

Is he Anthony Montgomery? A guy who has tools but can't seem to really push his ass hard enough to dominate.

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[quote=Ruhskins;536076]So after all this clamor about addressing the line, we may end up getting a defensive player at #13. I think people are making too much of this combine and pro day business (funny I didn't see Oher or Monroe in the top performers at the combine).[/quote]

Yeah but they also didn't universally tank.

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[B]Bill (NJ):[/B] You look at the top 10 Mel, which player do you think has the best chance to become a "bust?"

[B]SportsNation Mel Kiper:[/B] First of all, you hope none of the guys you have in the top 10 are busts. You shouldn't have them that high if they're going to be busts. The QBs are tough. Everyone thinks the OTs are guarantees. A Malcolm Jenkins, if he turns into a safety not a CB, then that would be a disappointment, because you're drafting him as a CB. Heyward-Bey, he dropped some catchable balls. Limited production in some games this year. Clay Matthews coming out of USC was kind of a one-year wonder. Vontae Davis had several games this year where he was inconsistent. Everette Brown, a DE from FSU, not real tall, not real fast. When you're only 6-1 and only run 4.68, 4.73, usually you have to run 4.55 if you're 6-1 and a DE. Andre Smith, he mismanaged the combine. He was suspended for the last game of his career. If you're not dependable and reliable, it's hard to be a great LT in this league.

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Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;536089][B]Bill (NJ):[/B] You look at the top 10 Mel, which player do you think has the best chance to become a "bust?"

[B]SportsNation Mel Kiper:[/B] First of all, you hope none of the guys you have in the top 10 are busts. You shouldn't have them that high if they're going to be busts. The QBs are tough. Everyone thinks the OTs are guarantees. A Malcolm Jenkins, if he turns into a safety not a CB, then that would be a disappointment, because you're drafting him as a CB. Heyward-Bey, he dropped some catchable balls. Limited production in some games this year. Clay Matthews coming out of USC was kind of a one-year wonder. Vontae Davis had several games this year where he was inconsistent. Everette Brown, a DE from FSU, not real tall, not real fast. When you're only 6-1 and only run 4.68, 4.73, usually you have to run 4.55 if you're 6-1 and a DE. Andre Smith, he mismanaged the combine. He was suspended for the last game of his career. If you're not dependable and reliable, it's hard to be a great LT in this league.[/quote]

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[quote=SmootSmack;536091][url]http://www.thewarpath.net/522690-post3.html[/url][/quote]

Buuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnn!

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SFredskin, I'm with you on vinny, in the end it doesn't matter what we think, or we want, it's what snyderatto wants, I wonder if they look at this site regularly, cause if they did, and listened to the majority of the fans, then they wouldn't be as hated and be pleasing us...we'd probably be a consistent playoff team if the just listened to the majority of the fans..

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May not lead at #13 for long...not sounding very good for Smith

SCOUT: “SMITH LOST MILLIONS TODAY”
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 4:25 p.m.

Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith’s campus workout today in front of NFL scouts was a [B]“disaster,”[/B] according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.

Quoting an unnamed scout, Pauline writes that Smith’s lack of preparation was obvious as he was overweight. One scout called the performance, [B]“one of the worst workouts I’ve ever seen.”[/B]

Another AFC East scout told Pauline: [B]“He lost millions today.” [/B]

As a league source told us earlier today, Smith ran with his shirt off.

[B]According to Pauline, comments were made about “the flab and the rolls on his body” during Smith’s 40-yard dashes as he posted times between 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.

Per the article, several scouts weren’t happy to travel a long way only to witness a bad workout. And Smith’s trainers were not pleased, either.[/B]

UPDATE: NFL.com has reported additional details on the workout, noting that Smith was 6-4 1/4, 325 pounds with 40-yard dash times of 5.28 and 5.33 seconds.

He turned in a 25-inch vertical leap, a 7-10 broad jump, a 7.88 time in the three-cone drill and bench pressed 225 pounds for 19 repetitions.

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[quote=FRPLG;536093]Buuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnn![/quote]

Just posting his comment since a lot of people think he's god. I still think Kiper is full of shit, I'm posting stuff about Smith cause he's gonna be a bust and we don't need anymore.

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@ 13, My choices (in preference order) are
1. M Oher
2. A Smith
3. Trade down
a. Alex Mack/Eben Britton and Connor Barwin/Larry English
4. Rey Maualuga

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325 lbs. is the lightest Smith's been in a while

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3971535]Outland Trophy winner Andre Smith works out for NFL teams - ESPN[/url]

But here's one anonymous source who thought he was ok

[url=http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/what_to_do_if_alabama_ot_andre.html]What to do if Alabama OT Andre Smith drops in draft ... - Inside the Bears[/url]

I don't know how many people are calling him a God, but plenty who have actually watched him play in games think he has the potential to be a dominant RG or RT

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[quote=Hamoskinz;536104]@ 13, My choices (in preference order) are
1. M Oher
2. A Smith
3. Trade down
a. Alex Mack/Eben Britton and Connor Barwin/Larry English
4. Rey Maualuga[/quote]

I think that's what we all want to see.

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[quote=SmootSmack;536105]325 lbs. is the lightest Smith's been in a while

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3971535"]Outland Trophy winner Andre Smith works out for NFL teams - ESPN[/URL]

But here's one anonymous source who thought he was ok

[URL="http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/what_to_do_if_alabama_ot_andre.html"]What to do if Alabama OT Andre Smith drops in draft ... - Inside the Bears[/URL]

I don't know how many people are calling him a God, but plenty who have actually watched him play in games think he has the potential to be a dominant RG or RT[/quote]

Well I feel better knowing that Samuals put up only 19 reps. I don't remember who said it but I once heard that until you have to bench press 225 at midfield to win the game the Bench Press will only mean so much especially when you compare it to on field production which Smith has plenty of. And while someone said earlier that we should have learned from Davis and Kelly well while I agree partially the fact remains that I think Smith is different especially since he plays a position thats a lot easier to project at the next level. Personally I'm releshing in how much Smith is falling.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536090]Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying BHA but Mack WOULD make our line better in a big way. I see you did'nt have receiver as a need. If a young Jerry Rice were available would you take him anyway or pass him up?

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Here is my ideal scenario in the draft involving Smith.

Trade down with Detroit giving up the 13th pick for the 20th and 33rd. If Sanchez is still on the board we may be able to pull this off.

Trade Betts, our 6th rounder and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2010 with Denver for the 48th pick.

20th - Brian Cushing OLB USC

33rd - Michael Johnson DE GT

48th - Andre Smith OT Ala

80th - Eric Wood C UL

142nd - Cedric Peerman RB UVA

I realize that the chances of this happening are slim to none but can't a man dream a little!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536090]Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.[/quote]Because it deemphasizes the RT need significantly. You'd only take a Center at No. 13 if you were absoultely confident that he would start on day one and would not need competition for the next five years, obviously. Equally obviously, if you could get a franchise type tackle that fits all the same critera, you'd pass on the Center for the tackle.

But if you are comparing a flawed Tackle prospect to an ideal Center prospect, you'd obviously go with the Center. It's just a big whos' available game.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;536112]Well I feel better knowing that Samuals put up only 19 reps. [B] I don't remember who said it but I once heard that until you have to bench press 225 at midfield to win the game the Bench Press will only mean so much especially when you compare it to on field production which Smith has plenty of.[/B] And while someone said earlier that we should have learned from Davis and Kelly well while I agree partially the fact remains that I think Smith is different especially since he plays a position thats a lot easier to project at the next level. Personally I'm releshing in how much Smith is falling.[/quote]Warren Sapp.

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I'd take either Smith or Oher at that spot, if either one is available. With OTs being a position of need for most of the teams picking before the redskins (BTW- I believe this is the reason why those teams are picking at the top of the order), that would probably only leave one of them available at 13.

From the games and videos that I have seen with Smith, he appears to be the most physical OT in the draft - even if he didn't display this in his workouts. My only question mark about him (and it's a big question mark) is that he's coming from a run-first system and there's not enough to go by to see if he's also as good in pass protection. But yeah even with this, he's a football player. I'm not paying attention to all the concerns about his pro day showing and his leaving the combine - the redskins would be lucky to snatch him up if he falls this far down.

If Smith or Oher weren't available at 13, then I like Cushing or Maualuga, or maybe even one of the top DEs (not seen enough film to know who though, just liked group of DEs they highlighted on tv the other day).

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[quote=GTripp0012;536127]Warren Sapp.[/quote]

Damn thats good. Times like this where I wish we kept the rep system though we're probably better off without it.

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to me Oher and Smith are not worth our pick at 13. We should trade down and draft A. Mack, get a 2nd and select Maybin or Robert Ayers (DE). In the 3rd round we should take Herman Johnson OG from LSU 6'6 345. This kid Johnson is a freakin truck!!



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTUhkbcxiHg]YouTube - OG Herman Johnson Highlights LSU 2008[/ame]

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I dont want to take Smith now with the 13th pick, i read about his pro day today, and from what the scouts are saying it was a disaster. he was way overweigth, ran like 5.26 40 time, and was just poorous overall in most of the drills they did. I do not want someone who apparently dose not seem to be committed to football on our team.

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So does anyone remember when was the last time the Redskins drafted a player that they were projected to draft?