Holt released by Rams
 

Sooner or later someone was going to post this.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3978180]The Rams release wide receiver Torry Holt on Friday - ESPN[/url]

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If we can get him for the right price, I say go for it. Our Wr corp sucks and the jury is out whether these rooks are ever going to pan out for another year or two.

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Getting Holt would be far more impressive to me than getting Haynesworth.
I really don't know if it is feasible though..It sure would be cool!
I can dream cant I?

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Pass.

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[quote=Mattyk72;536808]Pass.[/quote]

Why would you say that...our offense sucks...Holt is fantastic...is it because of the money we'd have to pay to get him?
Are you in love with ARE or the other nobodys?
Imagine Moss and Holt while grooming the rookies...odds are 1 of em wont make it.
It is arguable that Holt is better than Moss

He is a high impact player...one that I believe we should go after hard

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if you could get holt or harrison in super cheap, it might be worthwhile to have them help the rookies... i don't know how much they'd want though.

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[quote=skinsnut;536809]Why would you say that...our offense sucks...Holt is fantastic...is it because of the money we'd have to pay to get him?
Are you in love with ARE or the other nobodys?
Imagine Moss and Holt while grooming the rookies...odds are 1 of em wont make it.
It is arguable that Holt is better than Moss

He is a high impact player...one that I believe we should go after hard[/quote]

Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the [B]Rams[/B] didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

:doh:

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Is "Roster Bonus Year" code for "year he will get cut no matter"? Seems like most teams would keep some veterans or at least not go through the motions of cutting just to resign if there were no roster bonus provisions.

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[quote=vallin21;536818]Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the [B]Rams[/B] didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

:doh:[/quote]

I agree. We've got two young WRs to develop, it doesn't make much sense to chase an aging WR who has clearly lost a step. We have other more pressing needs.

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We screwed up Jason Taylor. Given our history with Recievers I'd say we'd have a pretty good chance of slightly tarnishing Holt's legacy.

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[quote=That Guy;536817]if you could get holt or harrison in super cheap, [B]it might be worthwhile to have them help the rookies[/B]... i don't know how much they'd want though.[/quote]

The only thing that's going to help the young guys are themselves. They've already got two pros in front of them in Moss and ARE. I don't think we need Holt or Harrison.

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[quote=vallin21;536818]Are you really serious? Holt is 33 and ain't getting any younger. We have two young WR'S that need to prove their worth. It makes no sense to get Holt, were not in fantasy football. Our offense does not suck, and Holt it is not even close to Moss talent wise. Seriously dude, quit grabbin on Holt's jock, HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!! There's a reason why the [B]Rams[/B] didn't pay the roster bonus to keep him. That alone should tell you something.

:doh:[/quote]

I know Holt's age...he's got 3 solid years left...he is a 7 time probowler...the rookies have shown zero so far and ARE is average at best...yes Moss is solid...if he is on the field...if he goes down we have no WR threats...
and the offense does suck...what...I think 28th in the league or something?
How's that good?

Holt hasn't missed a game ....EVER...keep that in mind.
He is rock solid and I'm telling you...if the Eagles or Dallas get's him, they are instantly better...we would be too...just because Taylor didn't do well, doesn't mean Holt wouldn't...I bet if you were offered Holt prior to last year yardage drop, you'd be humping his leg....be realistic...there is NO chance either of the Rookies will ever reach Holts level....quite frankly, I doubt Moss will either...and no way ARE even belongs in the same sentance.
Holt is solid...he would make the WR team instantly better...unless you think Thrash is our clutch vet that can train up the rookies....Duh back to you.

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Holt has always been a great receiver but it's time for the rooks to step up and the best way to do that is by playing them.

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[quote=53Fan;536836]Holt has always been a great receiver but it's time for the rooks to step up and the best way to do that is by playing them.[/quote]

Agreed. Sink or swim. Kelly and Thomas have had time to 1) learn the playbook front to back 2) become crisp(er) route runners 3) build chemistry w/ JC. It's time to really test them both. We all know what Moss and ARL can do and they're gonna be there all season... let Kelly and Thomas take like 75% of the snaps in preseason.

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No way. He was released by the Rams...the 2008 Rams, not the 1999 Rams. There's a very good reason he is unemployed right now, he's no longer a #1 WR. I see him being a nice complement in New England or now in Buffalo. An aging WR clearly on the decline...he's definitely not what the Redskins need.

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The Rams are in rebuilding mode.
His drop off in play had more to do with all the injuries the Rams had last year.

He is an older guy but he was never a speed burner. Holt is one of the best route runners ever. I think he will have a 80+ catch year next year if he is in the right environment. I hope he doesn't end up in Philly.

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[quote=jamf;536844]The Rams are in rebuilding mode.
His drop off in play had more to do with all the injuries the Rams had last year.

He is an older guy but he was never a speed burner. Holt is one of the best route runners ever. I think he will have a 80+ catch year next year if he is in the right environment. I hope he doesn't end up in Philly.[/quote]

This.

He could be and was and has been and probably might be and most likely is still a very good NFL player. Holt would make us much better in the WR department IMO. Our situation is just tricky right now because our second year receivers are fragile in mind and body and heart.

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im on the fence with this. but if the skins are planning to bring Thrash back, i would much rather have Holt

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[quote=skinsnut;536835]I know Holt's age...he's got 3 solid years left...he is a 7 time probowler...the rookies have shown zero so far and ARE is average at best...yes Moss is solid...if he is on the field...if he goes down we have no WR threats...
and the offense does suck...what...I think 28th in the league or something?
How's that good?

Holt hasn't missed a game ....EVER...keep that in mind.
He is rock solid and I'm telling you...if the Eagles or Dallas get's him, they are instantly better...we would be too...just because Taylor didn't do well, doesn't mean Holt wouldn't...I bet if you were offered Holt prior to last year yardage drop, you'd be humping his leg....be realistic...there is NO chance either of the Rookies will ever reach Holts level....quite frankly, I doubt Moss will either...and no way ARE even belongs in the same sentance.
Holt is solid...he would make the WR team instantly better...unless you think Thrash is our clutch vet that can train up the rookies....Duh back to you.[/quote]

Sometimes I'm glad fans aren't GM's because we'd really suck. First off the reason why our offense "sucked" was because our pass pro was awful, it was not the receivers fault. Many people have already said this, you have to give Kelley and Thomas a chance to develope, [B]1 year is not enough.[/B] Don't you realize WR is not a need? What does that tell Thomas and Kelley if we got Holt? You were probably one of those guys that wanted TO in DC. He's 33 and declining it makes no sense to sign him considering he played in the spread O not the WCO. What's up with this love fetish w/ Holt? WE'RE NOT PLAYING FANTASY FOOTBALL DUDE!!! You can't have every big name FA that gets released, you have to be realistic, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN BUDDY!

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[quote=wilsowilso;536845]Holt would make us much better in the WR department IMO. [B]Our situation is just tricky right now because our second year receivers are fragile in mind and body and heart.[/B][/quote]

I don't understand your viewpoint about our young receivers. The NFL isn't kindergarten. [B]If [/B]Holt can help us and he's affordable, then the FO should bring him in, even if it slows the young WR's short-term development. The young WR's would simply play less until they improve enough to beat him out. Holt would push them and he could also teach them. That would be a good thing, IMO.

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For those that think this was just a cap move:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3978649&name=fantasy_football]Torry Holt's release is not surprising given his decline and opens the door for Donnie Avery. - ESPN[/url]

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Nothing against Holt, whom I admire and believe to have a few big plays left in the tank, but you don't draft receivers with two of your first picks one year and then bring in an aging superstar the next season. That's ridiculous. While we don't know how Kelly and Thomas will turn out as professionals, we made our bed with regard to the receiver position when we drafted them. We are going to have to ride with them, giving them every opportunity to emerge as players this next season.

And I thought Holt was always pretty consistent on wanting to play for Carolina anyway?

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[quote=Mattyk72;536821]I agree. We've got two young WRs to develop, it doesn't make much sense to chase an aging WR who has clearly lost a step. We have other more pressing needs.[/quote]Has he lost a step? I don't know that. He played for a very bad team that beat the Skins 19-17. A home game at that. Kelly knees I am not sold on and most likly was a bad pick. Thomas I hope makes it. As for Holt I love to see if he has anything left but we don't have the cash anyway. Dose Pace have anything left? If he did could he move over to RT for a few years?

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[quote=RedskinPete;536886]Has he lost a step? I don't know that. He played for a very bad team that beat the Skins 19-17. A home game at that. Kelly knees I am not sold on and most likly was a bad pick. Thomas I hope makes it. As for Holt I love to see if he has anything left but we don't have the cash anyway. Dose Pace have anything left? If he did could he move over to RT for a few years?[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3978649&name=fantasy_football]Torry Holt's release is not surprising given his decline and opens the door for Donnie Avery. - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;536888][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3978649&name=fantasy_football]Torry Holt's release is not surprising given his decline and opens the door for Donnie Avery. - ESPN[/url][/quote] Deep threat is not what we need. Over the middle and a good rout runner. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.

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[quote=RedskinPete;536891]Deep threat is not what we need. [B]Over the middle and a good rout runner[/B]. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.[/quote]

Hopefully that can be Kelly

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[quote=Mattyk72;536895]Hopefully that can be Kelly[/quote] I hope as well but the luck that both Kelly and Thomas pan out is poor. But that is the hand that we have been dealt so we will see!

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[quote=Mattyk72;536895]Hopefully that can be Kelly[/quote]

I thought that was Chris Cooley actually

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[quote=SmootSmack;536914]I thought that was Chris Cooley actually[/quote]

Him too

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In other circumstances, I would love to see Torry Holt in a Redskins uniform, ala Henry Ellard back in the day. Possession veteran who would compliment Moss and ARE very nicely.

However, considering that the Skins have 3 young receivers in Kelly, Thomas, and Davis, along with Moss, ARE, and Cooley, there is simply no room for him. Harrison either.

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I think I'm on the bandwagon with Skinsnut. The only question I have is are the bloggers who don't want Pace, Holt, Harrison, etc....the same ones advocating against Daniels, Wynn, and Griffen? We will never have a team of all 24/25 y/o's. There has to be a mix or balance of old and young. The older guys have a lot to teach. Tricks of the trade.

If any of you think Thrash is who we should keep and forget Holt your crazy. I would pick up Holt and cut Thrash. Holt could teach the Rookies percise route running. Perhaps they would learn something from him that they could not learn from Moss. I like Randel El but he's not the one to be teaching anyone anything. He's a 3rd WR at best. Moss is a high 2nd or extremely low 1st WR. Holt would upgrade this offense.

As for Pace. Yes he's old, but he did an admirable job throughout his career including last yr. Why was he let go, for the same reason Holt was....the Rams are trying to get rid of big contracts. To put it another way....we must have let Evans go cause he was useless or crap...right. I believe the issue with Taylor was several fold. His not wanting to be around in the offseason, his injuries, and quite possibly he didn't actually fit our system. He is more of a LB who has free roam and only a DE on certain downs. Miami got the best out of him and we did not.

I don't have a problem with the team picking up Holt on the cheap and maybe he can spell Moss once and a while or be on the field at the same time Moss is to create mismatches. If anything you all should be screaming about the team having a WR on the team who can't catch a cold, can't run decent routes, and is one demensional...The only thing Thrash is, is a special teamer. He is no longer any good at KR also. Oh and he's 30 something. He definitly needs to go due to age.

I know I'm slamming Thrash but I was extremely happy we picked him back up. I liked him and hated to see him go. but being honest with myself all he did last yr was drop balls except for on TD, he ran lousy routes, couldn't shake the defender, and is just as bad as ARE in KR duties. My boy is no longer any good. All he's good for is 1 TD a yr and perhaps being apart of the tackle on KR. However Horton did more of the tackling on KR then Thrash did.

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and....for those of you on Kelly and Thomas's "Jock" they may not pan out. I seriously hope they do cause I like both and want two awsome WR's but for those of you who keep saying lets see what they do this yr keep in mind it takes 2-3 yrs before a WR steps up. So if they don't this yr what are we going to do? Let them go and start again? Should we not give them 3-4 yrs to see if they become stars? and until then what do we do? patiently sit back and be mediocre waiting for them to step up? and blame everyone else except them like JC, the line, wait I've got a good one....the HC. cause we would never fire Hixon.

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Ok, sorry to post so soon after each other. I did some research....I've found a way to please everyone.

Thrash 33y/o; Rec-9, Yrds-81, Avg-9.0, Td's-1.
Holt....32y/o; Rec-64, Yrds-796, Avg-12.4, Td's-3.

See, we can trade out Thrash for Holt, get younger like most of you want ;), and quite possibly get more Td's in the process.

No complaints right.

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[quote=RedskinPete;536891]Deep threat is not what we need. Over the middle and a good rout runner. I love to see him along with Moss and Thomas see what they could do. But not going to happen with RT,DE and LB needs and No Cash left. Don't get me wrong love the off season pick ups but to throw all that money at three players with three other needs left is short sided.[/quote]
how would spreading the money around and signing 6 average players across all our need positions be showing a long term approach? spreading the money around in one year just ensures more mediocraty.

what's short-sighted is wanting to get 6 average players in one year instead of getting 3 star players this year, one more in the draft, and address the other 2 positions with excellent players next year. we can't fix everything at once. the teams actions this offseason show the team is taking a long term approach.

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[quote=SBXVII;536941]and....for those of you on Kelly and Thomas's "Jock" they may not pan out. I seriously hope they do cause I like both and want two awsome WR's but for those of you who keep saying lets see what they do this yr keep in mind it takes 2-3 yrs before a WR steps up. So if they don't this yr what are we going to do? Let them go and start again? Should we not give them 3-4 yrs to see if they become stars? and until then what do we do? patiently sit back and be mediocre waiting for them to step up? and blame everyone else except them like JC, the line, wait I've got a good one....the HC. cause we would never fire Hixon.[/quote]

I agree that Hixon should be replaced. We went out out and spent millions on Lloyd and El and we got shitty results. We drafted three pass catchers last season and got shitty results(yeah i know we need to give them time). Has Hixon actually made a WR better since he has been here? Randle El can run excellent routes and is more of a number 3 receiver. Move him to the slot.

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Hixon is a special coach, one worthy of every Redskins fans unlimited lifetime loyalty, honor and respect. His name should be added to the ring of honor now. Look at his accomplishments, he has taken every receiver(all 25 + of them) and gotten them prepared every week to get their uniform on, go out and run routes/catch balls to at least an average quality. We could never let him go, because if he were on the market EVERY NFL team would go broke fighting over the rights to this outstanding caliber of a WR coach.
/sarcasm :rolleyes:]

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Pass. Was a great receiver but not one the Skins need to bring in.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536956]Hixon is a special coach, one worthy of every Redskins fans unlimited lifetime loyalty, honor and respect. His name should be added to the ring of honor now. Look at his accomplishments, he has taken every receiver(all 25 + of them) and gotten them prepared every week to get their uniform on, go out and run routes/catch balls to at least an average quality. We could never let him go, because if he were on the market EVERY NFL team would go broke fighting over the rights to this outstanding caliber of a WR coach.
/sarcasm :rolleyes:][/quote]
AWESOME CR. We can always hope J. facelift Jones hires him one day

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[quote=GusFrerotte;536804]If we can get him for the right price, I say go for it. Our Wr corp sucks and the jury is out whether these rooks are ever going to pan out for another year or two.[/quote]

I love it how predictable this has all become...we see somebody on the waiver wire and think wow..he'd be a great fit..

we have guys with an upside..and fans that are so impatient

in practically every case the difference between a rookie and a second year receiver is huge..will they pan out?..who knows?..I say worry about Campbell and if he even possesses the ability to have people improve around him..

Linking all three of last season's drafted receivers unilaterally flat out is wrong..

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[quote=SBXVII;536942]Ok, sorry to post so soon after each other. I did some research....I've found a way to please everyone.

Thrash 33y/o; Rec-9, Yrds-81, Avg-9.0, Td's-1.
Holt....32y/o; Rec-64, Yrds-796, Avg-12.4, Td's-3.

See, we can trade out Thrash for Holt, get younger like most of you want ;), and quite possibly get more Td's in the process.

No complaints right.[/quote]

Holt's numbers were better than ARE's.