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NFL Total Access takes a look at the state of the Washington Redskins franchise.

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Link takes you to a Julius Peppers vid, but on same page can find the skins vid.

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huh, interesting. Seems like they say that what hurt us was lack of offensive plays from qb, and wide recivers, now why im not saying thats set by no means, but a lot of that has to do with our oline. It broke down through the year cuz of age. That why i hope the skins go online, preferbly RT with 13, soooo untill we can improve an aging line and give campbell the fair shake at things before he gets all the blame yet. lol yeah i know this is the evergoing disscusion on here, but hey it the truth!!!!....i hope...i really want campbell to succed

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Does Michael Lombardi hate us?

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pshhh, basically they all agreed Skins finish last in the division again. I wouldn't expect any different. The funny thing is even if we come out w/ the best d in football and really gel on offense, winning the division or even just getting into the playoffs on a wildcard... none of these yahoos will say they were wrong.

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Those guys are complete idiots. They think they know the NFL but they can't even diagnose the Redskins offensive problems correctly. That's why no one should ever listen to them. All of us know the Redskins better than they do because we watch all of their games and they just look at results.

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Those guys are idiots. They think they know everything about the NFL, but they don't. They can't even diagnose the Redskins offensive troubles correctly. That means they don't even watch the games, they just look at the results, unlike us who watch every game.

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The dreaded double post huh?

I agree that they may not understand them teams defiencies as well as we do, but in their defense they have to break down 32 teams. Many times they will only be able to scratch the surface of the problem rather than going into depth. What they said was not way off, they just didn't disect the problem to its root. Our biggest problem was not being able to score points, which they did state; they just didn't dive far enough to explain why. I personally do not believe that they are out to slam us.

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Again redskins fans know why we struggled down the stretch.... OFFENSE!! wow 12ppg during the last 8 games!! Two reasons QB and Offensive Play calls (Zorn) But it all falls on Campbell, we had a great Rushing attack for most of the season and again we don't get big plays or passing td's. Guys I hate to say it but JC just isn't the right fit for our scheme. If we have a chance to pull the trigger on the Cutler deal we have to do so!!! I wouldn't trade Campbell just for some avg Joe, but Cutler fits our scheme and has a HUGE arm! If we don't trade for Cutler we will again be avg. on offense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;538725]Again redskins fans know why we struggled down the stretch.... OFFENSE!! wow 12ppg during the last 8 games!! Two reasons QB and Offensive Play calls (Zorn) But it all falls on Campbell, we had a great Rushing attack for most of the season and again we don't get big plays or passing td's. Guys I hate to say it but JC just isn't the right fit for our scheme. If we have a chance to pull the trigger on the Cutler deal we have to do so!!! I wouldn't trade Campbell just for some avg Joe, but Cutler fits our scheme and has a HUGE arm! If we don't trade for Cutler we will again be avg. on offense.[/quote]
We're not trading for Cutler, let it go.

Of course it's not all on Campbell but his improvement is key to our success.

To me this is classic lazy journalism. Formula for any Redskins discussion:
1. Redskins free agency spending, will it translate to wins? We've seen this before (although not really). I still don't get why other NFL people care how Snyder spends his money.
2. Is the head coach in trouble?
3. The offense needs to score more. Really? That's the best analysis they could come up with?

For 'experts' it always amazes me how they can't make the correlation that better play from the DL can lead to more turnovers which can lead to more points.

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Next week Moss is going to do an interview to teach us how to correctly drop an easy 3rd down conversion.

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[quote=Daseal;538727]Next week Moss is going to do an interview to teach us how to correctly drop an easy 3rd down conversion.[/quote]

only after thomas and kelley show us how they use their massive powers of invisibility.

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State of the Redskins, huh ... let's see, it's March 21st ... the off-season workouts have begun ... the 'Skins have 4 picks in the upcoming draft ... and minimal Cap Room to work with ... and we are still somehow the media favorites to land Jay Cutler ... boy, some reputations die hard, if at all.

Let's see ...

1) The interior of the D-Line has been seriously upgraded ...
2) The Linebacker corp is suspect ...
3) The Secondary could be one of the better ones around ... and one of the youngest
4) The Wide Receivers are still a giant ?
5) The Running game is still solid ...
6) The O-Line is still old ...
7) The QB is beginning his 2nd season in a new Offensive scheme ... again!!
8) The FO still amazes us with what they are able to do ... and not do ... every offseason ...

Yep, sounds about right ...

OK, now for a few somewhat serious observations / pronostications:

1) Get over the idea of Jay Cutler coming here ... it ain't happenin' ... we don't have the Cap flexibility to do it ... we're going with what we have.
2) My guess is, unless we trade down and pick up more picks, our draft will look something like:

[B]1st - SOLB[/B] - it's where we need a starting-caliber young player the most ...
[B]2nd[/B] - to Miami Dolphins (Jason Taylor)
[B]3rd - LDE[/B] - it's where we need a starting-caliber young player the second most ...
[B]4th[/B] - to New York Jets (Pete Kendall)
[B]5th - OT[/B] - 'Skins will take a solid, but unspectacular, lineman here and groom him for a season ...
[B]6th[/B] - Best O-Lineman still available ...
[B]7th[/B] - to Minnesota Vikings (Erasmus James)
[B]Comp pick[/B] - Best Player Available for DL, LB or OL

If anything, I just have this feeling that the moves we've been making are geared towards an uncapped year in '10 ... just a hunch ... then again, maybe flatulence ...

HTTR !!

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[quote=That Guy;538733]only after thomas and kelley show us how they use their massive powers of invisibility.[/quote]

:rofl:

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i dont know why you guys are upset with the summary. i thought they were spot on. we down right didnt score enough to win. like they said, 12 points a game isnt going to get it done

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;538710]huh, interesting. Seems like they say that what hurt us was lack of offensive plays from qb, and wide recivers, now why im not saying thats set by no means, but a lot of that has to do with our oline. It broke down through the year cuz of age. That why i hope the skins go online, preferbly RT with 13, soooo untill we can improve an aging line and give campbell the fair shake at things before he gets all the blame yet. lol yeah i know this is the evergoing disscusion on here, but hey it the truth!!!!....i hope...i really want campbell to succed[/quote]

The Steelers OL sucked last season and Big Ben took a lot of hits but he also made a lot of plays when he had to make them, often with defenders all over him.

That's life for an NFL QB. Sometimes, he just needs to make a play, no matter what. I haven't seen much of that from JC. Actually, I think he's a piss-poor performer in the Red Zone. Yes, I know he needs help. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Again, sometimes an NFL QB just needs to make a play.

As much as I want JC to succeed, I'm glad this is his contract year and that he hasn't been extended. It's time for him to make his move if he's going to do it. Jason will either establish himself this season or you can bet the mortgage money that he'll be gone.

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The Redskins will look for an OT to fall to the 13th pick and will select him. Should no elite OT fall that far, They should take A. Mack at C. He can also play G as backup. They should trade some of their remaining picks to get a high second rounder and look to get OT Britton or Loadholt to solidify the o-line. Any QB, elite or not needs time to execute any play. Given adequate protection, Campbell could be a good QB. Our defense was in the top tiers last year so there is no need to further stack the deck on that side of the ball. Defense means nothing if the offense can't capitalize on the defenses production. As for a LB to round out the defense, go to free agency for a suitable backup. Remember, we are cap restrained, and have little wiggle room for trade down mass signings of players.

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[quote]The Steelers OL sucked last season and Big Ben took a lot of hits but he also made a lot of plays when he had to make them, often with defenders all over him.[/quote]

His line certainly didn't play spectacular -- but many of Ben's sacks were his own fault. He held the ball forever. Sometimes that led to some big plays, sometimes it led to some weak play. The last thing I want Campbell doing is holding the ball forever.

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[quote=Daseal;538769]His line certainly didn't play spectacular -- but many of Ben's sacks were his own fault. He held the ball forever. Sometimes that led to some big plays, sometimes it led to some weak play. The last thing I want Campbell doing is holding the ball forever.[/quote]
Why is it rarely brought up that he does hold the ball too often? Especially in the first Giants game (ugly loss) and in the last 4 games of the season when his confidence was shot. I'm not saying that the OLine is great, but they are average and they seem to do a good job run blocking.

I think that the upgrades on defense (provided we still get a solid OLB) will create more game-changing turnovers and shorter fields for the offense.

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Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;538773]Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.[/quote]

Why would we have wanted to keep Shawn Sprain?

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[quote=Son Of Man;538781]Why would we have wanted to keep Shawn Sprain?[/quote]I don't like DBs who get roasted over an open fire while stealing money from the team. I prefer the injury-prone corner who plays exceptional football when he can.

Plus Bodden would have been an excellent No. 2 corner AND he was only looking for a one year deal. Like, it would have been costless to get him here if we had just been willing to let DHall walk. And we'd still have Springs, who can still play when he's on the field.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538785]I don't like DBs who get roasted over an open fire while stealing money from the team. I prefer the injury-prone corner who plays exceptional football when he can.

Plus Bodden would have been an excellent No. 2 corner AND he was only looking for a one year deal. Like, it would have been costless to get him here if we had just been willing to let DHall walk. And we'd still have Springs, who can still play when he's on the field.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

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I guess I'm one of the few in thinking we got a great deal with Hall. In fact paying him a high contract now will reduce the likelihood of a holdout down the road. Plus in a few years his contract is going to look like a bargain. They always do, I mean remember the numbers that Free Agents like Joey Porter and Justin Smiley got last season and compare them to our 2006 spending spree.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;538773]Those guys were partially right, especially on the D hall signing. We could have kept Springs, brought in Leigh Bodden instead of signing Hall and had money to upgrade other positions that still haven't been addressed. Instead NE signed both of those guys, they win SB's because they know how pick good players at a reasonable price.[/quote]

That makes sense. I guess we'll find out this year about Hall. All kinds of talent but I'm still not sure what we're getting going by his previous history.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;538793]I guess I'm one of the few in thinking we got a great deal with Hall. In fact paying him a high contract now will reduce the likelihood of a holdout down the road. Plus in a few years his contract is going to look like a bargain. They always do, I mean remember the numbers that Free Agents like Joey Porter and Justin Smiley got last season and compare them to our 2006 spending spree.[/quote]The fact of the matter is that 2009 is Hall's age 25 season, which tends to be THE critical year for a Corner (it was CR's breakout half-year in 2007). So while, I can't back your assumption that the value of contracts is going to keep going up until the end of time (which implies the NFL product is not subjected to basic principles of marketing, or at the very least, hyper-inflation in the US within the next 2 years or so), we may very well see the Hall deal as fair market value if he continues to develop.

But it's absolutely not worth the risk that 8 months from now, if the Skins are 3-7 in November, we're counting down the years until we can rid ourselves of an albatross contract. Because if Hall regresses significantly in his 6th NFL season at age 25, I mean, that's it, he's officially a bust. And he's a bust who would be due 20+ million in guaranteed money over the next 6 seasons. This, in no uncertain terms, would be a franchise-ruining deal if he doesn't pan out.

The difference between his deal with the Raiders, and his deal with us, is that the Raiders were able to get away from him when they realized he wasn't worth it. We're just screwed if he goes the Oakland way.

A CB tandem of Smoot and Hall in 2010 would likely mean a bottom five pass defense. Hopefully, Rogers is still here, but if there's a salary cap, we could just be screwed on defense. And it's all because of a 6 week romance with the hot girl who simply isn't worth the time or money you'll invest in her.

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The bigger point is this: by giving that much money to Hall, the Redskins 100% definately lost Shawn Springs as a consequence. This is not debateable. Springs is not a Redskin because Hall is still a Redskin. Springs has been a much, much better corner than Hall in his career, but yes, he's getting to the age where his effectiveness will start declining. Age was a big factor in this decision, but there were plenty of FA options where the Skins could have had their cake, and ate it too. 25 is very young for a corner, but 27 years old offers the same sort of complement to the 34 year old Springs, and we could have gotten this sort of a young player with a stronger track record than Hall without any sort of long term commitment.

So, we got very much played by the Patriots in this deal, who were able to upgrade cheaply at a position of need (CB) by playing off our unreasonable expectations for Hall. Would they have made a play to sign Hall if we let him go? It's more than possible, but I'm pretty convinced that they were just bluffing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538802]The bigger point is this: by giving that much money to Hall, the Redskins 100% definately lost Shawn Springs as a consequence. This is not debateable. Springs is not a Redskin because Hall is still a Redskin. Springs has been a much, much better corner than Hall in his career, but yes, he's getting to the age where his effectiveness will start declining. Age was a big factor in this decision, but there were plenty of FA options where the Skins could have had their cake, and ate it too. 25 is very young for a corner, but 27 years old offers the same sort of complement to the 34 year old Springs, and we could have gotten this sort of a young player with a stronger track record than Hall without any sort of long term commitment.

[B]So, we got very much played by the Patriots in this deal[/B], who were able to upgrade cheaply at a position of need (CB) by playing off our unreasonable expectations for Hall. Would they have made a play to sign Hall if we let him go? It's more than possible, but I'm pretty convinced that they were just bluffing.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm sure the Pats will be saying that when Springs is out half the season.

On a different note, referring to some of the posts in here. Can't you people wait until the season begins until we start spelling doom on the team we're supposed to be rooting for?

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[quote=Ruhskins;538816]Yeah, I'm sure the Pats will be saying that when Springs is out half the season.

On a different note, referring to some of the posts in here. Can't you people wait until the season begins until we start spelling doom on the team we're supposed to be rooting for?[/quote]

Yeah, but at least they didn't pay $54mil for a guy that could be a bust and got another player for a bargain price that could be back to his old form when he was with Cleveland. Time will tell.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;538819]Yeah, but at least they didn't pay $54mil for a guy that could be a bust and got another player for a bargain price that could be back to his old form when he was with Cleveland. Time will tell.[/quote]

Well like you said he could be a bust or he could be a great player. As a fan of the team I can only hope for the latter instead of bitching about the worst. As you said, time will tell and it is pointless right now to try to predict the future.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538816]Yeah, I'm sure the Pats will be saying that when Springs is out half the season.[/quote]Actually, I think they'll be more worried about evaluating all the rookies they drafted with all those draft picks they still have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538823]Actually, I think they'll be more worried about evaluating all the rookies they drafted with all those draft picks they still have.[/quote]

Great, you worry about the Pats and well I could care less about them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538824]Great, you worry about the Pats and well I could care less about them.[/quote]I don't like them any more that you do. I'm just capable of tipping my cap and saying "nicely played" when they totally throw us off our original FA plan, with what looks like a bluff (and if it was real interest in Hall, doesn't really change anything).

Of course, plan A was Haynesworth, so mission accomplished from that perspective.

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I will shocked and awed if Springs has more INTs in '09 than D. Hall. I think Springs mailed it in the 2nd half of last season i.e. he got beat by his WR more than I ever remember seeing and he just did dumb shit like jumping in front of Hall's easy INT and then bobbling it. But more than that Springs looks like he's quickly regressing... i bet the Pats get burned in this move.

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[quote=The Goat;538830]I will shocked and awed if Springs has more INTs in '09 than D. Hall. I think Springs mailed it in the 2nd half of last season i.e. he got beat by his WR more than I ever remember seeing and he just did dumb shit like jumping in front of Hall's easy INT and then bobbling it. But more than that Springs looks like he's quickly regressing... i bet the Pats get burned in this move.[/quote]I care less about the interceptions than I do about the change in the amount of TDs we're giving up through the air.

The point is that we could have had an improved secondary without bearing any risk beyond 2009. That would have been such a great deal for us, improve secondary depth, and if our No. 2 corner isn't good enough, simple solution: Don't bring him back in 2010. Springs wouldn't have been brought back anyway, but we really could have used one more year of his services.

Instead, we now bear 20-30 million dollars in risk. And for what, really? The opportunity to have the position locked down for the next five years, assuming we can throw another huge contract at CR a year from now? It's silly, silly risk. Sure, we're looking for this move to pan out. Of course we want DHall/Rogers to be a CB tandem for many, many years into the future. And if it works out, we certainly can pay that contract.

Vinny feels really confident, apparently, that Hall won't fail here. Financially, way more confident than either the Falcons or the Raiders were when he failed there.

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[quote=duetsch215;538718]Those guys are complete idiots. They think they know the NFL but they can't even diagnose the Redskins offensive problems correctly. That's why no one should ever listen to them. All of us know the Redskins better than they do because we watch all of their games and they just look at results.[/quote]

Lombardi said we have trouble scoring points. Sounds pretty accurate to me.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538833]I care less about the interceptions than I do about the change in the amount of TDs we're giving up through the air.

The point is that we could have had an improved secondary without bearing any risk beyond 2009. That would have been such a great deal for us, improve secondary depth, and if our No. 2 corner isn't good enough, simple solution: Don't bring him back in 2010. Springs wouldn't have been brought back anyway, [B]but we really could have used one more year of his services.[/B]

Instead, we now bear 20-30 million dollars in risk. And for what, really? The opportunity to have the position locked down for the next five years, assuming we can throw another huge contract at CR a year from now? It's silly, silly risk. Sure, we're looking for this move to pan out. Of course we want DHall/Rogers to be a CB tandem for many, many years into the future. And if it works out, we certainly can pay that contract.

Vinny feels really confident, apparently, that Hall won't fail here. Financially, way more confident than either the Falcons or the Raiders were when he failed there.[/quote]

Why? He can't stay on the field and can't be counted on. It was time to move on. However I'm not sure over paying Hall was the way to go. We'll see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;538838]Why? He can't stay on the field and can't be counted on. It was time to move on. However I'm not sure over paying Hall was the way to go. We'll see.[/quote]Because now Smoot plays a much more significant role in the defense, unless (hopefully) Tryon or Westbrook can beat him out for the nickel spot.

Springs is also a guy that we all feel comfortable with in the starting lineup. Right now, Carlos pulls a hammy, and you guessed it, two weeks of Smoot roasting over an open fire.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538833]I care less about the interceptions than I do about the change in the amount of TDs we're giving up through the air.

The point is that we could have had an improved secondary without bearing any risk beyond 2009. That would have been such a great deal for us, improve secondary depth, and if our No. 2 corner isn't good enough, simple solution: Don't bring him back in 2010. Springs wouldn't have been brought back anyway, but we really could have used one more year of his services.

Instead, we now bear 20-30 million dollars in risk. And for what, really? The opportunity to have the position locked down for the next five years, assuming we can throw another huge contract at CR a year from now? It's silly, silly risk. Sure, we're looking for this move to pan out. Of course we want DHall/Rogers to be a CB tandem for many, many years into the future. And if it works out, we certainly can pay that contract.

Vinny feels really confident, apparently, that Hall won't fail here. Financially, way more confident than either the Falcons or the Raiders were when he failed there.[/quote]

It's VERY clear that you aren't a D. Hall fan, not even willing to give him much credit at all. To be a little more balanced and factually accurate, he's been in the league 5 years, has 22 career interceptions and is a 2 time Pro Bowler. He's better, by far, than any other CB on the roster and his play making ability is unquestioned.

He clashed with Petrino (just like everyone else in the locker room) and talked his way out of Atlanta, but he was still playing at a high level. Everyone acknowledged he was in a bad system fit in Oakland and he played very well once he got here.

Maybe I am as naive as you are jaded but I don't believe he did an intentional and complete Jekell and Hyde routine just to get paid and now he's going to revert to Raider Hall.

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[quote=Paintrain;538841]It's VERY clear that you aren't a D. Hall fan, not even willing to give him much credit at all. To be a little more balanced and factually accurate, he's been in the league 5 years, has 22 career interceptions and is a 2 time Pro Bowler. He's better, by far, than any other CB on the roster and his play making ability is unquestioned.

He clashed with Petrino (just like everyone else in the locker room) and talked his way out of Atlanta, but he was still playing at a high level. Everyone acknowledged he was in a bad system fit in Oakland and he played very well once he got here.

Maybe I am as naive as you are jaded but I don't believe he did an intentional and complete Jekell and Hyde routine just to get paid and now he's going to revert to Raider Hall.[/quote]Here, I found a guy that's even better than Hall and Rogers combined by your criteria of pro-bowls plus interception totals! He's even a free agent right now! I'm thinking 5 years, maybe 40-50 million! What says you:

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/ONeaDe00.htm"]Deltha O'Neal Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

The notion that Hall's skill is even comparable to Rogers is so unbelievably misinformed that I can't possibly understand why you'd even bring it up. What do you want me to say, "Yes Paintrain, we just found the best corner on our team in Week 10 last season sitting around with the unrestricted free agents. Every team that's ever given up on him has made a terrible, inexcusable mistake. He's just way better than anyone on our team right now, including Carlos Rogers, who is playing better than all but like 6 corners in the NFL right now. Sure, he signed here for less than a million dollars to play out the season, but I'm just so happy we're going to pay him like one of the league's best players now."

Root for him, but don't keep telling us he's better than Rogers. He's not. Plus, I'm pretty sure he already has an agent...