Peter King: Broncos-Skins reach agreement
 

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/02/24/redskins.broncos/index.html[/url]

Well, looks like its done. The Skins did relent and gave up their 2nd rounder and Bailey. Now, Bailey just needs to agree to a contract (I'm not worried about Danny's ability to sign Portis).

I agree, everything is on Bailey. They said they were talking about 8 mil a year for him, on PTI. If he dosent except that, someone needs to drug test him, cause if he said no he would definitley have to be on a mind altering substance of some form, according to the american legal system

Ug, our 2nd rounder. Portis is great, but our 2nd rounder for arguably the best CB in the league? Come on!

A CB isn't as critical a position as a RB.

In a very twisted way, Bailey made it more difficult for us to get turnovers in recent years. "Shutdown corners" don't get opportunities, because the ball isn't thrown their way. Smoot will have an adjustment to make, and Bauman or a free agent will be in the fire as well. They will be greatly helped by an improved pass rush.

Now, how about Betts for a third rounder?

While I would have loved a Portis-Bailey trade straight up, I'm a little upset about the Bailey + 2nd rounder for Portis. We had a high second rounder and given that we cut Armstead, are going to sign Portis to a massive deal, and need to signa costly, veteran FA to fill Champ's vacancy, I think we really needed that 2nd rounder in order to get a quality player to fill a position at a cheap price.

On the other hand, the Broncos knew we didn't really have Champ - there was no way we were going to be able to keep him, so maybe getting Portis for a second rounder is the way to look at it. The Lions weren't going to give us a 1st and 2nd rounder, so I'd prefer to get Portis at the price of a second round pick than just the Lions 1st rounder.

Finally, Champ's loss could be offset on the defensive side of the ball. If we sign a big DT (i.e. Robaire Smith) and Jevon Kearse (which looks more and more likely), we may not need the coverage skills Bailey gave us last year. We will need a decent #1 corner (i.e. Winfield) and some dlinemen who give us the pass rush.

As long as Portis can do here what he did in Denver we'll be glad we have him. Sure wish we still had Stephen Davis though. Under Gibbs he'd be in the pro-bowl every year!!!! With a huge running attack our passing game will come through big time!!!! Coles should have a great year too!!!!!

Uuuugggghhhhh. Say it ain't so Joe. Danny can afford anyone he wants, but that's not the issue. The NFL has a salary cap and signing Portis for big $$$ is going to screw this team royally. Danny's whole way of doing these long term contracts with HUGE signing bonuses, minimal first few years pay and gradually increasing to multimillion dollar a year pay is going to continue to bite him and all of us fans in the ass. Year after year we're going to be seeing our studs leaving, and Danny boy trying to bring in new studs. Unfortunately, when he cuts some of those guys, the signing bonuses are going to kill our cap.

I will say that, despite all of the flack our O Line caught last year, I think they're all in all a strong group of blockers for the running game. Unfortunately, with Spurrier here, we didn't get to see them using that talent. Lets hope Portis is able to continue to put up 1500+ yards a year and a TD or 2 a game, because it's not sounding as if we're going to have too much cash left to bolster our 25th ranked defense (and that was WITH Bailey & Armstead)

I don't like the deal, especially giving up a #2 to do it, gibbs needs a between the tackles runner, portis is used to a trapping type of blocking which gives a lot of space to run when the hole is opened and a lot of big gains, I just don't think he's worth what were giving up, there is a reason back after back gain's 1500 yds. in that offense. I don't see portis as a big need we are alway's so enamoured with everyone else's player's, at the very least we could deal champ for a #1 and get any back we desire, and keep our #2.

Maybe this question will help solve portis's worth, what kind of year do you think portis would have had last year under SS? As well we can ask, what do you think bett's could do running in that denver offense?

I too don't like the fact that we have to give up our second round pick tooo. Champ in many ways in better than portis simply for the reason it is harder to find a lock down corner than a running back. But then again dan synder always overpays for everything.

I like Portis and his running style a lot. Gibbs will adapt to his style and get him in the open field. Get him in the open field and we have large gains a comin! I don't however think Bailey and a 2nd rounder is what we need to give up. I'll swap 2nds with Denver, but that's it!

I agree, even if we gave them a couple low picks next year or somthing, we really need some draft room this year. I have a feeling we will trade down, but I really want Sean Taylor too; maybe I'm too greedy. But Portis here sounds good too me.

I'm greedy too then.
I hope we don't trade down at this point and just take what we've been handed (if Taylor's still there at #5). Help fill the void Champ will leave although it won't fill the position (FA might though. Love to take 1 of Philly's CB's).

If Champ wasn't going to sign, then ship him out. But giving up a 2nd rounder? Bad move IMO. They need help on the DL, and there probably would have been some DT's at that spot.

I think we should get Portis and DT Gardner for Champ and 2nd round pick.

[QUOTE=skinsfan26]I think we should get Portis and DT Gardner for Champ and 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]

Not a bad idea.

Giving up the #2 hurts a little but Portis' appeal is that he's been a top 5 NFL running back the past two years ... he's as close to a sure thing as you get. Who knows if Kevin Jones or Steven Jackson or Greg Jones will pan out? Well we know Portis can run for 1,500 and 15 TDs per season. More importantly, Gibbs knows Portis can carry the load, be the focal point. He doesn't want to gamble on rookies ... he likes experience (see Brunell vs. Ramsey). He traded for Byner and Riggs, brought in Kelvin Bryant, George Rogers, talked Riggins out of retirement. All these guys started with other teams. Gibbs likes vets. So hello Clinton Portis, maybe the best RB he's ever had (sorry Riggo).

I hate to see bailey go, but if he doesn't want to be a redskin we really don't need him anyway.

Hopefully Portis will be the same back that he was in Denver. :cool:

If Clinton Portis can come in and do what he did in Denver, it doesn't matter what happened with our second rounder. We'll be fine. They only had a second rounder last year, it seemed, just because they blew that doesn't mean you can't win with the team they have. Forget the second rounder, Champ wasn't coming back anyway.

Spearhead:

It looks as if you can have your pick of the Philly CBs because the latest sccop out of Philly is that neither Taylor or Vincent will be resigned. If the Eagles relent, the smart money says they will try to keep Vincent on a short term deal but that Taylor is not on their radar screen.

Taylor is not as good as Champ by a longshot. But he is better than anyone on the roster here at the moment! Vincent is better than Taylor.

We were going to lose Bailey, one way or another. We did not wan't to pay him the tag money or to have him hold out, so it was a matter of what to get for him.

Other teams knew this up front, so we had to give soemthing, even though I think Champ is worth more straight-up.

Getting draft picks is great, but proven vets are arguably less of a risk. Portis has done it for 2 years, and he's very young. He's a quality back.

Wonder what the contract will look like? [B]The main issue is how much cap space we clear.[/B] If it's a lot, that's worth the second-rounder right there, because we can pick up another free agent.

I say trade down for more picks. My guess is that's what they're going to do if they'll part with the 2nd rounder.

with this deal and Armstead gone, there is no way the Skins are drafting at #5...if they do, it'll be one of the worst drafts ever (worse than Shuler...worse than Howard). With the #5, we are now in the drivers seat to pick up a few picks, which are desperately needed with the new holes opening up. No hole at RB, but holes at CB, SLB (rumor is LaVar moves to weak side), DE, DT. I hope Gregg Williams can convince guys to come play here. So, for those that want Sean Taylor in burgundy and gold...forgetaboutit...

If we can trade down to the middle of the first, pick up a 2nd and perhaps a 5th...we could get a DT (Starks et al) or CB in the first...defensive lineman in the 2nd...and use 2 5th rounders on project players. Sign Springs (local boy, will probably come here for cheaper than anywhere else) and hopefully Kearse...and plug the strong side in with Pierce or free agent...then the defense wouldn't look half bad...

With Portis now a Redskin..?? Pending a contract dispute. I'd say the skins need to either sign the best available DT (Randy Starks 6'4" 312) or top FS ( Sean Taylor 6'3" 225).

With a vet QB, proven RB superstar, & a O-line that has talent, I can't see how they could pass on these 2 great players...????

I wonder if the Skins would be more apt to listen to offers for Ramsey now?? Hmmm, another first rounder would be very tempting right now despite Gibbs' "refusal" to trade him.

If anything, I smell a trade down from the #5 spot.

I like the thought of getting Portis not sure of giving up a 2nd round pick but if he has another 1500+ season then it is worth it. Is he a Gibbs style of rb? I think with help from the other backs our running game should be great setting us for an even better passing game.

I've been in Mardi Gras for awhile and get back to this....Am I still drunk? Well, I see it is still the same familair names, just a little different format. On the whole Portis thing. This is an absolute steal of a trade. We all know that Champ didn't want to be here and to get a 22 year old RB coming off back to back 1500+ seasons is unbelievable.. I don't want to hear that he doesn't fit Gibbs offense. Spurrier said the same thing and look where that got us. He will be fine in our offense. He is the total package and may very well be right up there with Barry Sanders and Payton (I'll purposesly leave out Emmitt)when all is said and done. I haven't gone back to read everyones opinion on the matter and maybe it was all discussed on another tread. I just wanted to start posting...its good to be back

[QUOTE=skinsfan26]I think we should get Portis and DT Gardner for Champ and 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]


Denver overpayed Gardner. i don't want that contract. Let them cut him then we can pick him up cheaper.

Portis is a great runner, but I wouldn't compare him to the master, Barry Sanders!

As far as trading down for more picks. I'd agree with you if Taylor wasn't such an incrediable player. If he's off the board, deal down. If he's there, we'd be absolutly crazy not to take him, especially with the hit our secondary is going to take!

[QUOTE=Daseal]Portis is a great runner, but I wouldn't compare him to the master, Barry Sanders!

As far as trading down for more picks. I'd agree with you if Taylor wasn't such an incrediable player. If he's off the board, deal down. If he's there, we'd be absolutly crazy not to take him, especially with the hit our secondary is going to take![/QUOTE]

thinkin the same thing
Plenty of critics out there expect Taylor to be one of, if not the best S in the league the 1st day he starts. If he's not there at #5 then yeah, the talent drop is significant so trading down would be the smart play but I don't see a lower 1st round DT? DE? and mid-2nd round whoever? having the immediate impact Taylor will. I'd hate to see us pass on the best defensive player in this draft- for 2 of anything.

No FA's yet!
 

We have cleared cap room, and now LDS & cousinvinnie are going to fly all over the country picking up a plane load of FAs again! That's Football LDS style! When in doubt, aim high, and throw more money at the team!

Were we surprised with all of the FAs last year? Yes! Were we upset to lose all of the Draft picks? Yes! But we had a great offseason! Then, OBC and his assistant coaches took us to the top after only three weeks of the season!

Then, reality set in, and now, we have HOF Coach Gibbs and a lot of whining about loosing Draft picks. I'm not whining. I can't wait to see what HOF Coach Gibbs does for this team. First taking it apart, then, piece by piece....................

HOF Coach Gibbs (NASCAR Joe!) has more talent than how to drive a car and make left handed turns, he knows Football!

In one week from now, after FA starts, there will be less whining!

Some want to trade #5, and we may. Some want to get S. Taylor, and that would be great. Either way, we win!

I'll go on record now and predict 8-8! An improvement, certainly, and a reflection of HOF Coach Gibbs first tour year here from a lifetime ago!

Mike & Mike in the morning
 

This morning Mike Greenburg was going off on ESPN radio on how Gibbs has forgotten about football and that he is making a big mistake in letting Champ go. I am sick and tired of hearing all this negativity surrounding this trade. First of all......CHAMP WANTS OUT OF WASHINGTON!!!! So why not get a great running back that still in his prime if not reaching his prime? I don't agree with sending a 2nd round pick w/ Champ, because we got Champ in the 1st round ( I believe top 10 ) and Clinton Portis was drafted in the 2nd round. If anything the Broncos should at least give us one of their picks. You can always find a decent RB, but it's hard to find a shut down corner like Champ.

Also, get ready for Jevon Kearse, Warrick Holdman, and possibly Warren Sapp! Then we can draft Sean Taylor with our 5th pick. The defense will be fine.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

I'm a big fan of Greeny and that show, but Seriously, I'm sick of people saying how we should keep Champ. WE FREAKING TRIED, with a TON of money to keep that guy and he said no, he wants no part of the skins, so he can go. Somtimes I think these " experts " know less than we do about the team, because anyone who makes the comment that we should keep champ is obviosuly out of the loop. Bring me Portis.

We shouldn't go after Kearse, I'd rather see Gardner back here from the Broncos.

As for Gibbs not knowing what he's doing.....Yeah, whatever.

[QUOTE=RedskinRat]We shouldn't go after Kearse, I'd rather see Gardner back here from the Broncos.

As for Gibbs not knowing what he's doing.....Yeah, whatever.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why so many people want Gardener? His a cancer. After he got his payday last year, all he did for Denver was cause problems and stand on the sidelines most of the season because of a non-football injury from a fight.
Joe Gibbs would never bring him here.

Well said Petey. I think folks here should relax a bit and let Gibbs work. It's not even March yet and people are condemning things...Bailey was offered tons of money and said he was walking...so let him go, at least this way we get a powerful offensive threat in return.

As for losing the 2nd round pick, I'm not happy with that, but I can live with it. I mean, there are other guys on this team who might be traded for a second rounder somewhere along the line...and with all the cap space that was cut yesterday, the Skins can make quite a few moves to plug the holes elesewhere on this team.

Anyway, let Coach Gibbs work on this for a while before freaking out. Now if it's late August and we still have no defense, then panic. But geesh, trust a guy who took us to 4 Super Bowls. It's only February.

I don't wanna bash Bailey but...
 

Listen, I know the guy hasn't even left town yet and he's been a good player but let's face it. Who hasn't cringed when watching him TRY to tackle a runner in the secondary or when getting burned deep after gambling. The man's a hell of an athlete and yes, there aren't many great tacklers playing CB these days, but a certain free agent named Winfield is one of them and he used to play for our new DC. I think this trade is ok, woulda been great without the 2nd rounder...

[FONT=Book Antiqua]the trade had to take place without a doubt.i wish it could have been without the 2nd rounder but.bailey was gonna leave anyhow,he has had his mind made up for a long time on that.i say goodbye,good riddance,and bad luck to him. :mad: [/FONT]

Champ didn't want to be here, end of story. If they didn't trade him, he would have sat out or had an unspectacular season like last year (any help against the run at all!) I understand he's one of the top corners in the league but the team is more important and he doesn't get it. If he wanted to be a Redskin, he had a hell of a deal on the table before the season. He also said if Armstead goes, I go....so see you later. We'll get Portis (22 year old Earnest Byner anybody?) and some free agents (Springs at CB). It ain't over. Add a Kearse type player to the line, draft Taylor, and a lower round DT and we're in the hunt. Oh by the way, Ramsey if you want to show you should be the starter, then shut up and win it in camp. He's already conceded the job. Talk about a positive attitude! I used to love the guy but I've lost a lot of respect for him whining lately.

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Champ didn't want to be here, end of story. If they didn't trade him, he would have sat out or had an unspectacular season like last year (any help against the run at all!) I understand he's one of the top corners in the league but the team is more important and he doesn't get it. If he wanted to be a Redskin, he had a hell of a deal on the table before the season. He also said if Armstead goes, I go....so see you later. We'll get Portis (22 year old Earnest Byner anybody?) and some free agents (Springs at CB). It ain't over. Add a Kearse type player to the line, draft Taylor, and a lower round DT and we're in the hunt. Oh by the way, Ramsey if you want to show you should be the starter, then shut up and win it in camp. He's already conceded the job. Talk about a positive attitude! I used to love the guy but I've lost a lot of respect for him whining lately.[/QUOTE]
i don't know, if I'm Ramsey, I've got one hell of a chip on my shoulder right now. He's been a good guy for us, taken one heck of a beating last year, been positive through the disaster with Spurrier and now he's being talked about as a clipboard caddy to Brunell (who was benched for a rook himself, last year.) I don't blame him for being pissed, I just hope he handles it with class and clearly defines himself as the starter in the preseason.

I hope Ramsey has a chip on his shoulder and I hope he does bring it when it comes to training camp. I want nothing more than for Ramsey to succeed because he has been a great player for the organization. Problem is, when his back is aginst the wall, he wants out rather than showing the Dan, Gibbs et al. that he is the man and not Brunell. There is nothing wrong with competition, it should drive you to excel, not cry about perceived unfairness. If he beats out Brunell, I have no problems with him leading the team but the way he got hit last year, it won't be for 16 games. (just curious - does anyone think that the Gibbs team saw something in the film that made them belive maybe it was Ramsey's fault for holding the ball to long and not making quick reads? Just a conspiracy theory)