Analasis!
 

#1 I have seen enough of Gardner, he makes one great play, then drop's 3 easy passes, he will never be a reciever that can be relied on, he will kill you every time, he's the little girl with the curl.

#2 Portis- they have to get him into a trap blocking scheme, he can not run hard between the tackles, he is not a straight ahead runner, he has to be givin room to manuver, system back?????????? for 50 mil.,We better impliment the system.

#3 Ramsey- although he threw 3 pick's [didn't look like his fault, coles] I saw enough of him to see I want him in there now, learning and getting comfortable in this offense, that I believe will eliminate the dumb INT's, I think you can attribute those INT's to the fact that he's really trying to make something out of nothing to win the starting job, by the way, if Gardner makes a simple catch for an easy TD, there is no first INT!!!!!!!!

#4 Our replay X-ref- Carter catch in the end zone when he had 2 feet in, hit, and rolled, I thought the rule is that it's still continuation? No different than what happened to us with Coles last year, you have to control the ball after you hit, or take more than 2 step's in some kind of attempt to do something after the catch. Also, is it me, or did Carter's catch down the right sideline for a first down, have only one foot in clearly stepping out of bound's? I didn't focus on the replay with that, they just checked to see if he went out of bound's before the catch?

#5 defense- Not much of a push from the front 4, but we knew that would be the case starting the season, Warner need's more time out there, seem's to be our best pass rusher amoungst D-linemen, Bowen has to learn to keep the reciever in front of him, over all can't complain after the hand they were dealt by the offense.

#6 offensive line- Horrible, even with Portis not being a straight ahead runner, they have to be better than that, end of story!

#7 Brunnell- He can't throw the deep ball, period! I am just not impressed with the guy, he's a well seasoned veteran, he should be better than what we are seeing, I see much more potential for this offense with Ramsey.

Ramsey better learn fast. Brunell looked like he got one of those nagging, tough to heal strains.

As for Portis, I thought we should have stuck with him more. If he gets by that blitz, he can take it all the way. But he CANNOT fumble like that. WTF?

Don't know about the replay stuff.

Defense was good, overall, though NO SACKS and NO TOs. Still, after 7 TOs of our own, we were only down 6. Daniels was hurt, and that sucks for the down four.

As for the QB play, Brunell can't throw and Ramsey can't read. This is a big problem. BUt the GInts were blitzing all the time. Where was the screen/draw/dumpoff/etc type play to lossen things up? Not a lot of deception from GIbbs and Co. And it would take some pressure off Ramsey.

Final analysis: if you turn the ball over 7 times, you will lose, 100% of the time. THat is the only encouraging thing. I sincerely hope we can fix that, or we are in big trouble. But if we can, and if we can get the runing game going again, we'll be ok. THe passing game is a work in progress, and it will be even longer to fix, with Brunell hurt.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but did we have to lose like that??? I have to live in this freakin town and put up with the gints fans. I hate life right now.

7 turnovers is all that has to be said.

Perhaps if we can have the NFL allow the helmet headphones to stay on and Brunell could tell Ramsey the read and where to throw the ball...

lol

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Perhaps if we can have the NFL allow the helmet headphones to stay on and Brunell could tell Ramsey the read and where to throw the ball...[/QUOTE]

both qbs have a lot of work to do.

[QUOTE=offiss]
#1 I have seen enough of Gardner, he makes one great play, then drop's 3 easy passes, he will never be a reciever that can be relied on, he will kill you every time, he's the little girl with the curl.

#3 Ramsey- although he threw 3 pick's [didn't look like his fault, coles] I saw enough of him to see I want him in there now, learning and getting comfortable in this offense, that I believe will eliminate the dumb INT's,

#4 Our replay X-ref- Carter catch in the end zone when he had 2 feet in, hit, and rolled, I thought the rule is that it's still continuation? No different than what happened to us with Coles last year, you have to control the ball after you hit, or take more than 2 step's in some kind of attempt to do something after the catch. Also, is it me, or did Carter's catch down the right sideline for a first down, have only one foot in clearly stepping out of bound's? I didn't focus on the replay with that, they just checked to see if he went out of bound's before the catch?
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#1 Gardner-he dropped a couple of passes against the Bucs and continues this trend against the Gints..........Perhaps Thrash should move up and take Gardner's place.......

#3 Ramsey-Yes, he looked better than Burnell, but Gibbs just won't tolerate the interceptions...Ramsey better learn to throw it away or he's on the bench and Tim moves to #2.

#4-I thought the same thing abut Carter's catch....but despite having an
ex-official in the booth Gibbs didn't challenge the call...........

#5-Special Teams-The special teams did improve, what hurt us was having to use an injured kicker.........at least that's a positive......

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Perhaps if we can have the NFL allow the helmet headphones to stay on and Brunell could tell Ramsey the read and where to throw the ball...[/QUOTE]

So what you are saying get some clones, put Burnell's brain in Ramsey's body.........?????

-Portis had a fluke of a day, perhaps he's pressing, either way don't expect his fumble problems to continue.

-The play of the QB's is a concern but I think most of us expected them to struggle early in the year. I don't care what anyone says Ramsey isn't ready to take over yet, he just doesn't see the field well enough.

-Gardner's drops are getting old, it's the same old story with him year after year.

-Gardner wasn't the only culprit today, seems like the whole offense left their hands at Redskins Park.

-If it wasn't for the D we would have been smoked. Still, it was a little concerning to see how effectively the Giants attacked the defense at times. All in all a very solid effort from the D.

Yeah guys, Coles dropped a couple right in his hands but we aren't burning him at the stake. Rod Gardner did make the most spectacular catch of the day too.

I think it was Sunra who said we need to mix it up and he's right. Let's get Betts more involved. I liked what we did early with Sellers and Cooley. Even last week when we came out passing, it was quick, short passes that were essentially runs. Some may see it as boring football but what it does is draw in the defense and open things up for some man on man coverage deep.

As for Ramsey, I'm concerned that he simply isn't improving at all on the intangibles-having pocket presence, not forcing throws, being on the same page as his receivers on routes, not telegraphing passes. I think the gunslinger mentality he's got is hurting his progress.

The defense was on point and our return game was much improved this week. One game is no reason to panic

What Gardner does is back himself into a corner. He makes the hard catches and can't make the easy ones.

1. We must activate McCants. Hell he had the most TD's last year and he's not even on the active list. Please.
2. Ledell Betts must get more reps. Where's Rock Cartwright? We could have used him today.
3. We have to approach these kind of games with great preparation. I think some of playcalling was not effective against this defense. Let's throw some screen passes.
4.Sean Taylor can not rome around without instruction. He looked confused when the Giants called an audible. Let's focus man!
5.Don't even think about playing like this against the Cowboys.

The Carter catch on the sidelines... he definitely only had one foot in... however, it was with 1:55 left in the 2nd QTR, a booth challenge... the G-Women got to the line quick and the play wasn't brought back. That was a big play too.

No matter what anyone says... I said all offseason we should trade Gardner for something... anything... It's a shame the Dolphins didn't bite on the Gardner-Betts for Ogunleye bait, because really... that WOULD have made us a better football TEAM.

Gardner isn't horrible, but he sure as hell ins't in the same area code as Art Monk, the man who's job he fills in this system. Thrash or McCants or Taylor can drop 3-4 balls for every great catch, just like 'ol 50/50... and how badly do we need just ONE, I mean just ONE defensive lineman who can pressure the QB on his own??

Finally, Ramsey is the WORST QB to have playing for your favorite team... he flashes SOOO much potential one play... and then makes the biggest bonehead play ever on the next... he reminds me of an ex of mine... but I won't get into that... ;)

Cowpokes beat the Browns and didn't look too bad. We've got to step things up and not drop too many division games. I'm sure that this team is going to be really strong at the end of the season, however, my hope is that we can pull off enough wins early to make it count. Losing to the gints is no way to start. The fact of the matter is they were not good. 7 turnovers and only a six point loss show that we beat ourselves. I'm just curious what player is going to step up as a team leader. Obviously Lavar is doing it for the D so who on offense is going to get them fired up and focused? Gibbs can coach his heart out but the players need to execute.

Gardner and Ramsey are the same kind of player right now, very talented but just can't live up to their potential. I'm giving more benefit of the doubt to Ramsey right now though, Rod has too much experience under his belt to still be making so many mental errors. His drops are getting ridiculous.

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Cowpokes beat the Browns and didn't look too bad. We've got to step things up and not drop too many division games. I'm sure that this team is going to be really strong at the end of the season, however, my hope is that we can pull off enough wins early to make it count. Losing to the gints is no way to start. The fact of the matter is they were not good. 7 turnovers and only a six point loss show that we beat ourselves. I'm just curious what player is going to step up as a team leader. Obviously Lavar is doing it for the D so who on offense is going to get them fired up and focused? Gibbs can coach his heart out but the players need to execute.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the Cowboys did look pretty good. Their defense was aggressive and pressured Garcia...BUT Vinny was also pressured and had 3 turnovers......
Overall Parcells had them fully recovered from their shalacking last week by the Vikings....We can't make stupid mistakes (penalties, dropped passes, fumbles) against the Cowboys ..........

I disagree that Portis does not fit our scheme, if you watch the first drive he was killing the giants. Then tim lewis said enough with this, were stacking the box. What we need to do then was chalange them wit deep balls, and Brunnel can't throw the deep ball. I don't understand our offense right now, with all the short passes. Lets throw the ball downfield. Gibbs is going to conservative. The other this I dont' get is where is the slant route in our offense? Its probably the best route in football and i have not seen it run once yet. Does anybody remeber from Gibbs first term if they used the slant route at all?

Gardner's status will be evaluated after this game. The films don't exaggerate. He's big, but not an intimidating receiver like TO. He's not even a 2# wideout. Man I'm going on a campaign to get McCants in the next game. We need him. One point to make about our offense. It was great that Portis scored on a pass. But that's Gardner's job to catch a ball that deep in the endzone. Why isn't he stepping up and asking for a Randy Moss type of over the top play?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gardner and Ramsey are the same kind of player right now, very talented but just can't live up to their potential. I'm giving more benefit of the doubt to Ramsey right now though, Rod has too much experience under his belt to still be making so many mental errors. His drops are getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


Ramsey has to be givin an opportunity to get comfortable, all the great's throw INT's early in their career's, why? Because they are play maker's, and until their knowledge and comfort level reaches their competitive nature, that will happen. In Ramsey's defense, 1 INT looked to be Cole's not peeling off the defender, that can happen to the best of them, the second he shouldn't even been in that position, Gardner burned everyone with the drop on the goal line, to bad Rod you'll never see an easier TD again, the last was defiently bone headed, but it did look like it slipped off his hand, with the amount of drop's no wonder Ramsey feel's the need to try and force a big play.

I look to see McCant's taking over for gardner any time now, Gibb's in his defense hasen't been able to follow Gardner's career like the rest of us, this game should pretty much indoctrinate him.

[QUOTE=skins009]I disagree that Portis does not fit our scheme, if you watch the first drive he was killing the giants. Then tim lewis said enough with this, were stacking the box. What we need to do then was chalange them wit deep balls, and Brunnel can't throw the deep ball. I don't understand our offense right now, with all the short passes. Lets throw the ball downfield. Gibbs is going to conservative. The other this I dont' get is where is the slant route in our offense? Its probably the best route in football and i have not seen it run once yet. Does anybody remeber from Gibbs first term if they used the slant route at all?[/QUOTE]

I don't recall Gibbs using the slant play. He normally had his QB throw down field because they could. This biggest challenge for him is get Brunell enought protection and throw the ball earlier to lead the receiver down the field. The slant route doesn't work when you have receivers dropping as many balls as we did today. I like the screen pass where you throw to either side and let the receiver match up against a CB man to man.

[QUOTE=skins009]I disagree that Portis does not fit our scheme, if you watch the first drive he was killing the giants. Then tim lewis said enough with this, were stacking the box. What we need to do then was chalange them wit deep balls, and Brunnel can't throw the deep ball. I don't understand our offense right now, with all the short passes. Lets throw the ball downfield. Gibbs is going to conservative. The other this I dont' get is where is the slant route in our offense? Its probably the best route in football and i have not seen it run once yet. Does anybody remeber from Gibbs first term if they used the slant route at all?[/QUOTE]


I happened to miss the 1st drive, unfortunatly, Gibb's was not a big slant guy, he primarly uses the come back routes, that's how he used to set up the big pass play's, when he know's he has defender's trying to jump that route, he then start's pump faking for the big play.

[QUOTE=offiss]Ramsey has to be givin an opportunity to get comfortable, all the great's throw INT's early in their career's, why? Because they are play maker's, and until their knowledge and comfort level reaches their competitive nature, that will happen. In Ramsey's defense, 1 INT looked to be Cole's not peeling off the defender, that can happen to the best of them, the second he shouldn't even been in that position, Gardner burned everyone with the drop on the goal line, to bad Rod you'll never see an easier TD again, the last was defiently bone headed, but it did look like it slipped off his hand, with the amount of drop's no wonder Ramsey feel's the need to try and force a big play.

I look to see McCant's taking over for gardner any time now, Gibb's in his defense hasen't been able to follow Gardner's career like the rest of us, this game should pretty much indoctrinate him.[/QUOTE]

You know Offiss, what seems to be one of many problems with Ramsey is having a plan B when the primary receiver isn't in the right place to catch the ball. Ramsey didn't even look to see if Coles was jammed, he just let it go. He's got to have plan A(primrary receiver, plan B (2# receiver) and plan C (throw the ball away.) If this is drilled into him he will be more comfortable in the pocket.

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins]The Carter catch on the sidelines... he definitely only had one foot in... however, it was with 1:55 left in the 2nd QTR, a booth challenge... the G-Women got to the line quick and the play wasn't brought back. That was a big play too.
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Good point Hail forgot about the 2 minute rule............

[quote]Defense was good, overall, though NO SACKS and NO TOs[/quote]

they had 2 sacks.. .springs and Salave'a...
i want to see mccants in gardners shoes... or jacobs...
taylor had some rookie issues today too, but he didn't get burned like some others :(

my shopping list:[list][*]1-2 good DEs[*]coverage SS[*]QB with brains and an arm[*]another top ten type WR wouldn't hurt either... gardner sucks[/list]

you know, if we went for FGs, we could have caught up... with 5 TOs, thats what we should have started doing... hindsight, who knows... just a thought.

[QUOTE=That Guy]you know, if we went for FGs, we could have caught up... with 5 TOs, thats what we should have started doing... hindsight, who knows... just a thought.[/QUOTE]

thats no way for a football team to play. especially an NFC east team. especially one run by Joe Gibbs. plus you forget Hall was hurt anyway.

[quote]thats no way for a football team to play. especially an NFC east team. especially one run by Joe Gibbs. plus you forget Hall was hurt anyway.[/quote]

nope, i'm pretty sure i remember hall was hurt... but playing that way couldn't have gone any worse than what actually happened... 7 TOs is no way for ANY team to play.

We played like crap offensivley. There is nothing we could have done besides not turning the ball over that would have changed the course of the game.

This isn't baseball but, what happened to the changeup? I guess I was wrong when I hinted that the 'Skins hadn't showed much of the offensive playbook. I understand that we're all about protecting the quarterback first but, the Giants figured out pretty quickly that we were limited to just a few formations and anyone sent in motion wasn't a potential down the field threat. Besides the pass to Sellers and the TD throw to Cooley, the only other 'surprise' play was on 3rd and 23 and we gave it to Portis on the draw. Charles Mann (radio show) hinted that Portis isn't a RB suited for the running play(s) coined by Gibbs' offense. And I somewhat agree. But you would think we would implement some of 'Denver's plays' in which Portis had so much success. Questions. Are the WRs lined up 'tight' too often? Why not motion Cooley or Portis or both as wideouts more often? This can easily be done without having mutiple WR sets and without abandoning the running game.
The reason we lost the game is an obvious one. And I like to use an analogy here. It's like tennis. You have forced turnovers and unforced turnovers. There were some great hustle plays made by the Giants' defense. And then there were 'gifts'. Ramsey would've been dressed for the occasion wearing a Santa suit. Ax this bum before he loses any more trade value!

we had SO many chances in the fourth quarter! even a fumble recovery on a kickoff. our defense has developed into a CLUTCH unit, something we can count on when we absolutely need it and in the 4th quarter. but they cant be expected to score.

our offense, on the other hand. damn, seeing Coles drop a pass and Portis fumble really is an absolute heart breaker. who CAN we rely on??

[QUOTE=BossHog] Ax this bum before he loses any more trade value![/QUOTE]


You know what, this is getting rediculous. Lets blame everything on Ramsey. Washington Redskins are 2-0, Patrick Ramsey is 0-1. I mean give me a break, the kid had our offense moving a hell of alot better than Brunell did today. He made some retarded throws, yeah, but Brunell made some bad throws should we get rid of him? Coles droped a pass, should we cut him. 2 FUMBLES BY PORTIS, JESUS H GET HIM ON THE TRADING BLOCK!!! I mean seriously. " Ax this bum "??? Are you kidding me??

i think gibbs may need to update a bit for portis and more variation... no slants, no screens, not enough bootlegs or rollouts... somewhat predictable...

i agree with gmac... brunells turnovers were more costly.
right now it's:
brunell - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 92 yards.... TOs lead to 10 points
portis - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 98 yards... TOs lead to 7 points
ramsey - 1 TD, 3 TOs, 142 yards... TOs lead to 0 points

which one is really worse? brunell couldnt move the ball downfield, making his TOs [b]WORSE[/b], though towards the end, NY wasn't really scrambling to get down field...

in fact all three of ramsey's ints were at the NYG 10 yard line or further back (10, 9, and 0)... driving 90 yards is harder than 30-40, ramsey's arm still helps.

ramsey still doesn't throw it away when he should and telegraphs plays, but out of the three I think he's the least responsible for losing the game.

I don't know... Look, they all sucked. But TOs in the red zone will kill you every time. Ah, whatever... Heres the solution: DON'T TURN THE FRIGGIN BALL OVER!

As for updating the plays, rest assured that Gibbs will adapt to make things work. ANd if they don't turn it over seven times, I don't think we'd feel quite so bad about the offense. The offense moved the football well, especially in the second half. The main variable is QB play. Until that gets going, no offense we run is going to look good.

Ramsey looked like a young QB trying to win the game. Not saying he's on their level, but all great QB's throw a lot of INT's, especially early in their careers. The loss was a collective effort (for the offense, that is).

Gardner needs to be benched and McCants (or Jacobs) needs to be given the chance to prove himself.

Gregg Williams is the man. The D will only get better the more they play get used to each other...and Taylor learns how to play in the NFL. They almost won this game despite the turnovers by stopping the giants and keeping us in it.

Can one loss be the modern equivalent of five? I think maybe so. Gibbs lost his first 5 his first go 'round, then made adjustments and went 8-3 the rest of the season (not to mention the SB the following year). I think these first couple games are giving him a feel for what his players really can and cannot do. He will adjust accordingly and I think by mid-season, they will look like a different team offensively. Hopefully this begins a week from today!!!

Great minds think alike!
 

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Perhaps if we can have the NFL allow the helmet headphones to stay on and Brunell could tell Ramsey the read and where to throw the ball...[/QUOTE]

Brunells head with Rams arm!

Yesterday's loss was so ugly I'm just getting over it. Not to mention that Dolphins-Bengals game put me into a coma. Anyways I finally feel refreshed and here are my thoughts on yesterday:

- Coles - first time I EVER remember Coles dropping a pass, which says it all. Nothing bad to say to my favorite Skin.

- Ramsey - First pick shoulda never happened but still a poor decision. The second pick was partly Coles' fault but still a forced throw. The third pick was just plain ugly. Despite Ramsey's struggles he still moved the offense MUCH better than Brunell. Plus we were in pass mode with no time for help from the running game. Let me ask you this - if the game went to overtime and Brunell came back healthy who would you have wanted in there? Neither choice was too appealing but personally I'd rather have seen Ramsey. I'm a huge Ramsey fan and yesterday didn't change that. I will concede though that PR will never start until he can make better decisions.

- Brunell - far from the calming influence I was hoping for. Some poor decisions and nothing generated downfield. The playcalling was partly to blame and the OL didn't do much to help either, but still a very unimpressive effort.

- Samuels - thanks for the crucial penalty and the $9M cap hit.

- Gardner - where to start? I'm one of RG's only supporters. I've said before I think Gardner can be HUGE in Gibbs' offense. The first 2 weeks have proven that. Of course, he needs to catch the f#%#$#@% ball!!!! How can he make that 50yd circus catch then drop the one in the endzone??? It's mindboggling. What's 50/50 mean anyways? If it's because he catches only 50% of the passes then I suggest it be changed to 25/75. Anyways I will continue to stick by Rod a little longer, but not sure that Gibbs and the Warpath will.

- Portis - I love this guy. Let me be the first to congratulate CP on 3 MONSTER blocks. I was amazed. Also, he's proving to be a very dangerous threat as a receiver. I'd like to see them bust him outside more and run a few more screens. There's no point for Portis to grind out those 2-3 yd gains up the middle when we're just pounding and killing clock. Let's get Betts more involved on those. That being said, the fumble on our 15yd line was inexcusable, especially against that team. I think that was the biggest mistake we made all day (there were MANY to choose from). But I'll let it slide, this time.

- Thrash - Don't worry JT, I did notice you were the one who stripped the ball on their fumble. Great job and it's good to have you back on ST. By the way you might be starting at WR soon.

- Defense - another solid outing. I really like Williams' blitzing schemes. I can't wait to see who he's brining next. The only bad call I saw all day was on that key 3rd down late in the game. He brought Springs but not enough else. Still waiting to see how we look against a real offense but so far this unit has been the brightest spot on this team. PS - Keep bringing Bowen, cuz he's a coverage timebomb.

- Cooley - So far I really like what I see. I hope he can keep it up. This was a better draft pick than Taylor (just kidding).

- Gibbs - hard to blame the coaches for 7 turnovers especially from the stars. My only complaint is I'd like to see the Skins more aggressive downfield early. There's no rule that says we can't build a 14 or 21 point lead. Then again I've been lodging the same complaint since 1982 so I hope coach Gibbs never listens to me.

- Summary - despite the UGLY way we lost yesterday I still have very high hopes for this team. I do see a playoff caliber team with many offensive weapons and a defense that seems to be on the right page. Hopefully this loss will be a blessing in disguise. I hope I don't see 7 turnovers total the rest of the season. Also keep in mind these are the sh$%#$%#y Giants. They ALWAYS bring their opponents down to their level. Does that 7-7 tie bring back any memories? I can't remember one single Giants game where the Skins actually played well. So boys and girls keep your heads up and keep looking forward. :grouphug:

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illdefined:

Why not depend on the defense to score. The Giants' defense scored. And the Giants' defense is hardly one of the "elite units: in the league.

In the 4th quarter, we needed a stone cold stop. We had them in third and about 7 or eight. Oops. First down. Clock runs...

The defense played a whole lot better than the offense yesterday. But they were not world beaters.

Reality bites. But that does not change things...