Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?
 

I've been listening to him a lot on NFL Network, And maybe it's just me but he seems to still know his stuff and he makes a lot of sense with his evaluations.
What do you think?(if he was available)

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Personally, I would like to have him back. I do not think that he would work for Danny and I do not think that Danny would take him back. He has had his share of blunders though the 1999 draft for instance.

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[quote=Angry;539995]Personally, I would like to have him back. I do not think that he would work for Danny and I do not think that Danny would take him back. He has had his share of blunders [b]though the 1999 draft for instance.[/b][/quote]

I assume you mean prior to. That '99 draft was money. I mean at the top, Bailey and Jansen and net a 1st (2nd overall) the next year.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;540000]I assume you mean prior to. That '99 draft was money. I mean at the top, Bailey and Jansen and net a 1st (2nd overall) the next year.[/quote]

I meant the offseason moves leading up to the 99 Draft and the Draft itself. I cannot complain about Champ and Jon. But he traded away a first and a 3rd for Brad Johnson along with picks for other FA's. Then aquired all of the Saints draft picks in the "Ricky Williams trade" and came up with only two players. It still pains me to this day to think about it.

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Brad Johnson did have a helluva year in '99 though, and we made the playoffs. But thanks to Danny we lost out on the chance for some stability at the QB spot for the next 5-6 years.

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[quote=Mattyk72;540004]Brad Johnson did have a helluva year in '99 though, and we made the playoffs. But thanks to Danny we lost out on the chance for some stability at the QB spot for the next 5-6 years.[/quote]


That he did, but in retrospect was it really worth a 1st and a 3rd round pick?

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[quote=Angry;540005]That he did, but in retrospect was it really worth a 1st and a 3rd round pick?[/quote]

It might have been had we kept him around for more than 2 seasons.

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not just yes but Hail yes. He is one of the better ones out their and for all of you Cerrato complainers.....who would you rather have.....Cerrato or Casserly? Who has the better record?

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Casserly keeps himself busy, I wonder if he'd even want to return to the NFL, especially the skins, at this point. He has a good TV gig, works at GMU, and has many other projects going on. I'm sure hes much less stressed out and still able to be active in the football community.

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[quote=Mattyk72;540004]Brad Johnson did have a helluva year in '99 though, and we made the playoffs. But thanks to Danny we lost out on the chance for some stability at the QB spot for the next 5-6 years.[/quote]

brad johnson won the superbowl with the bucks after we dumped him for (try not to laugh)JEFF GEORGE!what a great football genius you are danny

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[quote=Angry;540003]I meant the offseason moves leading up to the 99 Draft and the Draft itself. I cannot complain about Champ and Jon. [B]But he traded away a first and a 3rd for Brad Johnson [/B]along with picks for other FA's. Then aquired all of the Saints draft picks in the "Ricky Williams trade" and came up with only two players. It still pains me to this day to think about it.[/quote]

If you remember correctly we had no QB that year. Trent Green left for STL cause the ownership situation was a mess. If you ask me that was a damn good move as Brad had a pro bowl year and then went on to win a SB w/ TB. Back then BJ was not a top tier QB but he was more than serviceable.

I'd take Charley back over Vinny in a heartbeat but it will never happen. I heard Vinny on the radio this am and he simply DOES NOT have the knowledge or smarts that Casserly does. Casserly is on NFL Network and CBS and he just REALLY REALLY knows his stuff and you can tell why this guy rose from being George Allen's unpaid gofer, to an NFL general manager and TV consultant. If you listen to the two it's like night and day. Today Vinny was still backing the move for Jason Taylor saying, "he'd do the same thing all over again." What????? Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement that he's in the position he is in but it is what it is and Vinny isn't going anywhere.

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I can't say CC has done anything to make me think he has the ability to be a good GM. Ever.

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I liked Casserly...what we need is beathard and the fountain of youth.
To be honest...almost any ex GM would be better than our current situation...unless of course, one of our 2nd rounders from last year suddenly makes the pro-bowl this year....pa-leeze!

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[quote=skinsnut;540068]I liked Casserly...what we need is beathard and the fountain of youth.
To be honest...almost any ex GM would be better than our current situation...unless of course, one of our 2nd rounders from last year suddenly makes the pro-bowl this year....pa-leeze![/quote]

I always love the "anything is better" argument. They're so...clueless.

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[quote=FRPLG;540072]I always love the "anything is better" argument. They're so...clueless.[/quote]

That "argument" doesn't fly with me either.

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Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

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Charley Casserly is an exceptionally hard working guy and competent to a fault in terms of day to day operations, dealing with the league, and all those things that have to be done behind the scenes that we don't get to see or judge.

As a talent evaluator, he had some real doozies, though. The drafting of OL Andre Johnson was so bad that even the press was too embarrassed to talk much about what a fiasco it was. And you could go on at length like this. Heath Shuler, Desmond Howard, Micheal Westbrooke, etc. If you look at the list, you say things to yourself like, "Tre Johnson was good -Kenard Lang wasn't bad." But there those are the best of them. Most of his picks went nowhere.

Having said that, he is GREAT on NFL Network. I saw a segment with him the other day and even the other on-screen talent was like "Holy Cow, Look at Charley go!" He was talking about how to manage the Jay Cutler kerfuffle in Denver and it was like he had a seven bullet power point presentation. "First, send a letter to every other team in the league...", and on like that for three solid minutes. It's no wonder that few people laughed when Charley was mentioned as a potential candidate for comissioner.


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I totally agree 70Chip that,s what I've felt watching him go over drat picks , and The Cutler fiasco..

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[quote=70Chip;540088]Charley Casserly is an exceptionally hard working guy and competent to a fault in terms of day to day operations, dealing with the league, and all those things that have to be done behind the scenes that we don't get to see or judge.

As a talent evaluator, he had some real doozies, though. The drafting of OL Andre Johnson was so bad that even the press was too embarrassed to talk much about what a fiasco it was. And you could go on at length like this. Heath Shuler, Desmond Howard, Micheal Westbrooke, etc. If you look at the list, you say things to yourself like, "Tre Johnson was good -Kenard Lang wasn't bad." But there those are the best of them. Most of his picks went nowhere.

Having said that, he is GREAT on NFL Network. I saw a segment with him the other day and even the other on-screen talent was like "Holy Cow, Look at Charley go!" He was talking about how to manage the Jay Cutler kerfuffle in Denver and it was like he had a seven bullet power point presentation. "First, send a letter to every other team in the league...", and on like that for three solid minutes. It's no wonder that few people laughed when Charley was mentioned as a potential candidate for comissioner.


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Casserly did have some really rough drafts & they were at a time when the franchise REALLY needed them to be fruitful. As a talent evaluator I don't know that he's any better than Vinny. But as a guy who pulled off good trades & had a sense of value w/draft picks, I think he's shown quite a good track record. Plus, he looks pretty good now w/the Mario Williams pick & the building of Houston that he did.

Don't be too hard on him for some of those picks, e.g. D. Howard. As Casserly said himself, there was no GM out there that didn't think Howard was a great prospect. WRs are a boom/bust pick.

And w/Westbrook, I put that one on Turner. I know Casserly was GM, but the word was that Turner really wanted him. I'm still pissed that they passed on Warren Sapp that year & then went on to sign stubby & Big Daddy a couple years afterward.

Heath Shuler? That guy looked like a star on the rise when he started here, but he could never make it happen. I can't fault CC or Norvelle for picking him, he seemed to have it all. His early years he was much like D. McNabb, but obviously his game never evolved.

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I'd take him in a heartbeat. Many people criticize him (including myself) for picking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush as the 1st overall pick, it seems that he made the right choice. Charley is a sharp GM and would be night and day over VC.

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[quote=skinsnut;540068]I liked Casserly...what we need is beathard and the fountain of youth.
To be honest...almost any ex GM would be better than our current situation...unless of course, one of our 2nd rounders from last year suddenly makes the pro-bowl this year....pa-leeze![/quote]

So you would be happy if Snyder replaced Vinny with Matt Millen? He fits your criteria as an ex GM. How about Tom Donahoe, Rick Speilman, Ken Herrock, Rich McKay or anyone else reviled by their former fan bases?

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Dan Snyder is our GM.

Vinny is Mr. Smithers.

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[quote=wilsowilso;540113]Dan Snyder is our GM.

Vinny is Mr. Smithers.[/quote]

Ha! In that case, "anyone" is truly better than our GM!

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All GM's have good picks and bad picks. Nobody is perfect.
Casserly took over as GM of the Redskins in 1989. So he basically can be credited for putting together the 1992 Super Bowl Team.
Casserly has been credited with unearthing undrafted FA's Joe Jacoby and Jeff Bostic.
He has also been credited for finding future probowl players 5th round pick Brian Mitchell, 4th rounder Stephen Davis, 12th round pick Keenan McCardell and 6th round Frank Wychek.
In regards to Brad Johnson, he arrived here and responded with a Pro Bowl season and lead us to the 2nd round of the playoffs. We were a bad snap on a very makable field goal away from making to the NFC Championship. We lost 14-13 to Tampa due to a bad snap. He drove us down the field against a very good defense to only have our long snapper F it up on a chip shot FG. Brad Johnson went on later to win the Superbowl with Tampa.

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[quote=Defensewins;540121] We were a bad snap on a very makable field goal away from making to the NFC Championship. We lost 14-13 to Tampa due to a bad snap. He drove us down the field against a very good defense to only have our long snapper F it up on a chip shot FG. Brad Johnson went on later to win the Superbowl with Tampa.[/quote]

It wasn't a chip shot if I recall correctly. It was a fifty yard attempt.

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It was a 52 yard attempt

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[quote=Mattyk72;540123]It was a 52 yard attempt

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You are right.
Conway made a 48 yarder earlier in the game.
At least we were in position to win the game.
We were not getting blown out.

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[quote=Defensewins;540121]Casserly took over as GM of the Redskins in 1989. So he basically can be credited for putting together the 1992 Super Bowl Team.[/quote]

How do you figure that?

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[quote=Daseal;540055]Casserly keeps himself busy, I wonder if he'd even want to return to the NFL, especially the skins, at this point. He has a good TV gig, works at GMU, and has many other projects going on. I'm sure hes much less stressed out and still able to be active in the football community.[/quote]

Actually he resigned from the Texans because he wants his next career move to be in the at NFL HQ in New York. I do not believe that he is interested in a GM job either.

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How about instead of Casserly we lure Kevin Colbert of the Pittsburgh Steelers with large barrels of Danny's cash and a promise from the Danny that he will just sign the players checks and let Kevin Colbert run the team?

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[quote=skinsfan69;540063]If you remember correctly we had no QB that year. [B]Trent Green left for STL cause the ownership situation was a mess.[/B] If you ask me that was a damn good move as Brad had a pro bowl year and then went on to win a SB w/ TB. Back then BJ was not a top tier QB but he was more than serviceable.

I'd take Charley back over Vinny in a heartbeat but it will never happen. I heard Vinny on the radio this am and he simply DOES NOT have the knowledge or smarts that Casserly does. Casserly is on NFL Network and CBS and he just REALLY REALLY knows his stuff and you can tell why this guy rose from being George Allen's unpaid gofer, to an NFL general manager and TV consultant. If you listen to the two it's like night and day. Today Vinny was still backing the move for Jason Taylor saying, "he'd do the same thing all over again." What????? Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement that he's in the position he is in but it is what it is and Vinny isn't going anywhere.[/quote]

Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.

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[quote=Angry;540136]Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.[/quote]

Skinsfan69 is right though, he left mainly because there was no ownership in place to offer him a deal

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[quote=SmootSmack;540131]How do you figure that?[/quote]


He signed "Plan B" FAs Martin Mayhew and Fred Stokes. JK

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[quote=freddyg12;540092]Casserly did have some really rough drafts & they were at a time when the franchise REALLY needed them to be fruitful. As a talent evaluator I don't know that he's any better than Vinny. But as a guy who pulled off good trades & had a sense of value w/draft picks, I think he's shown quite a good track record. Plus, he looks pretty good now w/the Mario Williams pick & the building of Houston that he did.

Don't be too hard on him for some of those picks, e.g. D. Howard. As Casserly said himself, there was no GM out there that didn't think Howard was a great prospect. WRs are a boom/bust pick.

And w/Westbrook, I put that one on Turner. I know Casserly was GM, but the word was that Turner really wanted him. I'm still pissed that they passed on Warren Sapp that year & then went on to sign stubby & Big Daddy a couple years afterward.

Heath Shuler? That guy looked like a star on the rise when he started here, but he could never make it happen. I can't fault CC or Norvelle for picking him, he seemed to have it all. His early years he was much like D. McNabb, but obviously his game never evolved.[/quote]
Funny how CC gets a pass on so much and Vinny gets nada.

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[quote=Defensewins;540121]All GM's have good picks and bad picks. Nobody is perfect.
Casserly took over as GM of the Redskins in 1989. So he basically can be credited for putting together the 1992 Super Bowl Team.
Casserly has been credited with unearthing undrafted FA's Joe Jacoby and Jeff Bostic.
He has also been credited for finding future probowl players 5th round pick Brian Mitchell, 4th rounder Stephen Davis, 12th round pick Keenan McCardell and 6th round Frank Wychek.
In regards to Brad Johnson, he arrived here and responded with a Pro Bowl season and lead us to the 2nd round of the playoffs. We were a bad snap on a very makable field goal away from making to the NFC Championship. We lost 14-13 to Tampa due to a bad snap. He drove us down the field against a very good defense to only have our long snapper F it up on a chip shot FG. Brad Johnson went on later to win the Superbowl with Tampa.[/quote]

Wow he did all this? Wonder why they called Bobby Beathard the GM then?

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[quote=SmootSmack;540137]Skinsfan69 is right though, he left mainly because there was no ownership in place to offer him a deal[/quote]

AHH! So that's the missing link. That makes sense.

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[quote=Angry;540136]Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.[/quote]

Yeah. Green started the last part of the '98 season and his play was not Tier 2 (whatever that is). That's why St. Louis signed him to what seemed like at the time a big contract. I went to an early game in 98 that the Skins lost to then-juggernaut Denver and I immediately could tell that Green could see the field better than anyone we had started in years. He got the ball out in time to the right people. I remember being angry at Norv for leaving him on the bench for three years. If he had played in 96 and 97, I believe we would have made the playoffs.

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[quote=70Chip;540150]Yeah. Green started the last part of the '98 season and his play was not Tier 2 (whatever that is). That's why St. Louis signed him to what seemed like at the time a big contract. I went to an early game in 98 that the Skins lost to then-juggernaut Denver and I immediately could tell that Green could see the field better than anyone we had started in years. He got the ball out in time to the right people. I remember being angry at Norv for leaving him on the bench for three years. If he had played in 96 and 97, I believe we would have made the playoffs.[/quote]

Hall of famer is Tier 1. Pro Bowler is tier 2. You might want to restate your comment.

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Richard Justice seems to have mixed feelings about Casserly. Justice is my all-time favorite Skins beat writer. He wrote stories that had in them how do you say it...information. Scoops I guess they would be. I'm not sure I buy that Casserly leaked stories to "get back at" Justice. There's no law that says we must all genuflect before the greatness and superiority of the Washington Post - no matter what the people who work there believe.

[url=http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/10/things_that_rea.html]SportsJustice: Remembering Charley Casserly's role in this mess[/url]

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Bottomline: Casserly is better off doing something other than being GM of an NFL team.