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You have to check out the picture a reader of DCPSR made and sent to us. Classic, hilarious, yet telling.

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heh

[IMG]http://dcprosportsreport.com/vinnydan.jpg[/IMG]

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pretty much

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That about sums it up.

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Love that. I wish I could drop 100,000 copies from a helicopter on Redskin Park.

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Vinny and Dan don't realize that even the biggest burly football players have egos. Of course, most owners don't understand that even though they make players undergo evaluations in their careers. Maybe it is time for the league to start making the owners and upper management do the same so that the league can move toward better horizons...what do you think?

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Fans should boycott the team and not spend a penny on attending games, buying jersey, paying for parking, and etc. Snyder and Cerrato have zero creditability, no respect, and has no clue on how to build a great team. Together, they made this franchise the biggest laughing stock in the NFL.

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E nough
S nyder
P lease
go N sell the team!

I thought of this the other day, just in case anyone wants to get on television this year at a game.

FOX is a little harder. Anyone have a good one for NBC, ABC, or CBS?

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[quote=skinsfan1987;542782]Fans should boycott the team and not spend a penny on attending games, buying jersey, paying for parking, and etc. Snyder and Cerrato have zero creditability, no respect, and has no clue on how to build a great team. Together, they made this franchise the biggest laughing stock in the NFL.[/quote]

Unfortunately Snyder does have a keen awareness that being a die hard football fan is kind of like being a drug addict.

He owns all the needles, pipes and bags of drugs so he can basically get away with doing whatever he wants.

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[quote=wilsowilso;542786]Unfortunately Snyder does have a keen awareness that being a die hard football fan is kind of like being a drug addict.

He owns the all the needles, pipes and bags of drugs so he can basically get away with doing whatever he wants.[/quote]

I would've said masochist but your point is reasonable.

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[quote=wilsowilso;542786]Unfortunately Snyder does have a keen awareness that being a die hard football fan is kind of like being a drug addict.

He owns all the needles, pipes and bags of drugs so he can basically get away with doing whatever he wants.[/quote]

The difference between impulsive and compulsive. Impulsive is practically harmless and spur of the moment. Compulsive is a bad habit that you know is bad yet you can't break it. I wonder which one people would classify Snyder as?

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[quote=skinsfan1987;542782]Fans should boycott the team and not spend a penny on attending games, buying jersey, paying for parking, and etc. Snyder and Cerrato have zero creditability, no respect, and has no clue on how to build a great team. [B]Together, they made this franchise the biggest laughing stock in the NFL[/B].[/quote]

I think Detroit and a handful of other teams have a firm grasp on that title.

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[quote=Mattyk72;542806]I think Detroit and a handful of other teams have a firm grasp on that title.[/quote]

Unfortunately the Skins are part of that handful of teams. Most people outside of DC think the ownership is a joke and the team's performance since DS took over has done little to improve the Skins image as anything more than a six time NFL paper champion.

The really unfortunate part of this is how it continues to suck the life out of the fanbase. A lot of the guys I know that used to live and die with the Skins now barely seem interested. Sure they follow the team but nowhere near like they used to and it has to do almost entirely with the FO circus and lack of winning on the field. Its really sad.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;542784]E nough
S nyder
P lease
go N sell the team!

I thought of this the other day, just in case anyone wants to get on television this year at a game.

FOX is a little harder. Anyone have a good one for NBC, ABC, or CBS?[/quote]

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"eXpert" FO

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[quote=Mattyk72;542806]I think Detroit and a handful of other teams have a firm grasp on that title.[/quote]

Agreed. The perspective of so many "fans" is so skewed in my opinion.

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[quote=tryfuhl;542824]F
Our
eXpensive tastes

F
Our
"eXpert" FO[/quote]

I like it. I like it alot. I doubt they'll put that on television.

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[quote=irish;542822]Unfortunately the Skins are part of that handful of teams. Most people outside of DC think the ownership is a joke and the team's performance since DS took over has done little to improve the Skins image as anything more than a six time NFL paper champion.

The really unfortunate part of this is how it continues to suck the life out of the fanbase. A lot of the guys I know that used to live and die with the Skins now barely seem interested. Sure they follow the team but nowhere near like they used to and it has to do almost entirely with the FO circus and lack of winning on the field. Its really sad.[/quote]

Yeah it has nothing to do with there being infinite entertainment options, a largely transient surrounding area encompassing their geographical fan base and them getting older and having other things to worry about.

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[quote=FRPLG;542833]Yeah it has nothing to do with there being infinite entertainment options, a largely transient surrounding area encompassing their geographical fan base and them getting older and having other things to worry about.[/quote]

Actually, studies show that the DC area is no more transient than any other large city.

Look at the Caps, they were given up for dead and then they started winning like crazy and now its almost impossible to get a ticket. When the Skins get back to winning and doing it often the ticket will be hot again and other teams fans wont be able to over-run FedEx. Unfortunately I'm not sure this ownership is capable of doing that.

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[quote=skinsfan1987;542782]Fans should boycott the team and not spend a penny on attending games, buying jersey, paying for parking, and etc. Snyder and Cerrato have zero creditability, no respect, and has no clue on how to build a great team. Together, they made this franchise the biggest laughing stock in the NFL.[/quote]

Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.

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[quote=Buster;542839]Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.[/quote]

Right there with you man.

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[quote=Buster;542839]Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.[/quote]

I didnt know the Redskins played in the American League East.

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[quote=irish;542848]I didnt know the Redskins played in the American League East.[/quote]

Yeah, because the Orioles and Blue Jays are such great teams.

Until last year, that was a 2-team race.

The NFC East is almost ALWAYS a 4-team war, like last year when all teams were .500 or better and in playoff contention as of Week 16.

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Man you guys act like we traded 2 first rounders for Cutler. It's starting to sound quite eagle-ish around here.

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[quote=WaldSkins;542854]Man you guys act like we traded 2 first rounders for Cutler. [B]It's starting to sound quite eagle-ish around here.[/B][/quote]

That's scary.

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The Rams, Lions, Raiders, 49ers, Bills, and Jets are all more of a laughing stock then the Redskins.

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Lest us not forget what nearly happened yesterday.

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[quote=Buster;542839]Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.[/quote]

Well said Buster. Well said.

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Can we close this thread now, I'm sure there will be another one tommorow.

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[quote=Buster;542839]Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.[/quote]

I guess it depends on how you define success. If you define success since Snyder purchased the team as an overall record of 66-78. no NFC East Titles, No NFC titles, and no Super bowl appearances, then yes, Dan Snyder';s tenure has gone well, real well. Plus you say, well, at least we don't have an owner like Detroit or Al Davis. I say, why can we have an owner like Dan Rooney or Bob Kraft. Why always shoot for the bottom? You also say we have an owner who TRIES and improves the team? Really? Dan Snyder acts on impulse and whims. There is no franchise plan. That is not trying to improve, that is wanting to win HIS way and that is it. I have not talked to one scout, one draft professional, or one media person that has any respect for Vinny Cerrato. What has Cerrato done to deserve his job? I';ll answer that. He plays racquetball with Snyder and says yes to Snyder when Snyder asks if this or that is a good idea.

Optimism is one thing. Pessimism is another. yet, reality is as well. How many more off-season farces and mediocre records does it take? It's been almost a decade.

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Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.

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[quote=irish;542837]Actually, studies show that the DC area is no more transient than any other large city.

Look at the Caps, they were given up for dead and then they started winning like crazy and now its almost impossible to get a ticket. When the Skins get back to winning and doing it often the ticket will be hot again and other teams fans wont be able to over-run FedEx. Unfortunately I'm not sure this ownership is capable of doing that.[/quote]

So maybe it is more a reflection of our fan base. GB doesn't always have good teams but you can't get tickets there. Cleveland is much the same.

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[quote=Spence;542892]Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.[/quote]

I don't debate that people THINK he is awful. I don't even debate that he has done some crazy dumb stuff. But I'd take him as owner over most others becasue I do believe that once he finally figures this out we are going to be dominate. Question is whether he will ever figure it out. It is hard for me to believe that he got to this point in his life and is simply dumb.

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[quote=Spence;542892]Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.[/quote]

Preface:
yesterday i was severely frustrated with DS, but he stepped back from the trade, so i will step back from that frustration.

Preface 2:
I respect DC Pro Sports, and Matty and the Warpath partnered up with you guys, so that speaks highly of y'all.

My question:
Why does DC Pro Sports hate Dan Snyder?????

In your above quote you basically say that anyone who doesn't see him as a terrible owner is oblivious or in his employ, but obviously many intelligent people see that some level of maturation has occurred over the years. It seems visceral with you guys and I just don't get it.

Hey if he makes a bonehead move, fine, report it, point it out. But seriously, when you say worst owner, dozens of other figures come to my mind before he does.

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This organization is going to continue to spin its wheels as long as these two are at the helm. I love the Redskins and I always will, but I am tired of the smoke and mirrors and the big name signings that end up as big name busts. Lets get back to football and lets get back to winning and winning consistently.

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I think less people would find him awful if they didn't make so many assumptions. Case in point, people here were talking about how stupid Snyder was that he was about to trade Cooley and Landry to get Cutler. That was never going to happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;543035]I think less people would find him awful if they didn't make so many assumptions. Case in point, people here were talking about how stupid Snyder was that he was about to trade Cooley and Landry to get Cutler. That was never going to happen.[/quote]

I didn't think or hear about that...if for a second I thought it a possibility it would be hard to be a Skins fan as long as Snyder owned the franchise (cuz the proposition is literally insane).

Anyway...it's not all about the Cutler thing. Snyder appears to have little integrity in general.

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I think some people decided long ago to hate him, and always hate him no matter what. Whatever

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[quote=The Goat;543041]I didn't think or hear about that...if for a second I thought it a possibility it would be hard to be a Skins fan as long as Snyder owned the franchise (cuz the proposition is literally insane).

[B]Anyway...it's not all about the Cutler thing. Snyder appears to have little integrity in general.[/B][/quote]
You have zero to support that.
I guess it doesn't take integrity to fly an entire organization to Fla for ST's funeral. Or no integrity to setup scholarship funds for his kid. Or no integrity to raise all the money he does in the fight against Breast Cancer. Yeah, he's just an evil guy like all of America's rich white guys.

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Snyder isn’t a poor owner, and Cerrato isn’t nearly as bad as many make him out to be. Snyder started off his tenure in DC very shaky. He made a lot of mistakes, and in my opinion – learned from said mistakes. Besides the initial couple years, tell me what spending sprees Snyder has gone on? In fact, a majority of the free agents we’ve gone after have made significant contributions to the team. These players include: Griffin, Springs, Portis, Washington, Fletcher, Moss, ARE, Kendall, Thomas, Carter, Daniels, etc. Sure, there have been some busts too, such as Lloyd, Taylor, etc. But far and away most of the big name players we’ve gone after in free agency recently have been very important to the success of our team.

Everyone around here cries and asks for an owner like Dan Rooney. Let’s take a look at the Rooney’s. They’re cheap. Very cheap. Expect a lot of very good talent to walk out of your door once their contract is up, lately this hasn’t bitten them too hard. But with as easy as it is to massage the cap, they could have kept many of the high profile players that walked out the door. Secondly, Pittsburgh has gone through many losing streaks, including with Cowher (who by the way, I hope we avoid like the plague. Over rated. Clap clap clap clap) where they stood pat. It’s quite obvious, when looking at the evaluation of Vinny on this site, that Redskins fans don’t understand what patience means.

Now lets move on to Vinny. I believe he regained the position, after Marty, in 2002 (if this is wrong, blame Cpayne!). Lets look at the drafts since then:
• 2002: Not a bad year. Ramsey, Betts, Bauman, Russell, Lott, Royal, Coleman, Grau, Scott, Cartwright. Of this group Betts and Cartwright are both on the team and doing well. Royal is a starter, and Ramsey is a backup. Having four players still in the NFL from that long ago isn’t a terrible draft. Definitely some misses, but could be worse.
• 2003: Only 3 picks. Jacobs, Dockery, Hamdan. Dockery is back with the team as a starting Guard and Hamden is still bouncing around the league.
• 2004: Taylor, Cooley, Wilson, Mollnaro. The late round picks didn’t stand out, but two all pros in rounds 1 and 3. Another good draft.
• 2005: Rogers, Campbell, White, McCune, Newberry, Nemo. Top two picks are good starters in the league, late round picks didn’t make it.
• 2006: McIntosh, Montogomery, Doughty, Golston, Lefotu, Simon. No first round picks and 4 players still on the team and playing well. Another very good draft.
• 2007: Landry, Sartz, Blades, Palmer, Ecker. Not a very good draft. Landry has been great, Blades is a solid backup, but the rest fizzled out. Two solid players, not the worst draft either.
• 2008: Thomas, Davis, Kelly, Rinehart, Hayes, Tryon, Brooks, Moore, Brennan, Jackson, Horton. People want to complain about this draft, and I simply don’t see it. Even if many players don’t make it – where did Vinny go wrong. Thomas was the #1WR on most NFL boards, Kelly was a great pick that I think may be the best WR out of that draft class, and Fred Davis was the best TE in that class. All three play a pass catching position, one that TYPICALLY takes a few seasons to adapt to and become effective. Especially Thomas, he hasn’t played a lot of college games so he needs to keep learning. Chris Horton was borderline DROY and Rob Jackson played. Cold Brennan definitely put some sparks of hope into skins fans after his preseason, and Kareem Moore has contributed at Safety and especially special teams. This draft class was great with how Vinny traded around to get more picks and got a lot of value for his picks. Even the late rounders.

Its hard to tell during the Gibbs years who was actually in charge. It was a muddled mess, just the way Gibbs wanted it. Nothing inside Redskins park would be transparent. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that – but it’s hard to place blame accurately from the outside that way. I feel like we’re still two years away from being able to accurately describe this draft class. Also, where did all the people commending Vinny directly after the draft and early in the season go? There were tons of us then, now because the top three didn’t play much – he’s terrible. Come on.

The whole Cutler deal doesn’t make sense to me. Cutler was an upgrade. Cutler was available. Cutler’s price tag ended up being too high. The Redskins backed out and let another team fall on the sword. What’s the issue. Had the Broncos done what the Redskins did with Campbell, Cutler would have never been traded. Props to the FO for doing a great job with crowd control after that fiasco. On an unrelated rumor, NFL radio said the rumor was there was a 3 way trade, including WAS, CLE, and DEN. With CLE getting Cutler and Quinn ending up in DEN. Not sure what the skins were doing, perhaps picking up more draft picks? Or it could be a totally unfounded rumor – fact is, we’ll probably never know.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;542947]Preface:
yesterday i was severely frustrated with DS, but he stepped back from the trade, so i will step back from that frustration.

Preface 2:
I respect DC Pro Sports, and Matty and the Warpath partnered up with you guys, so that speaks highly of y'all.

My question:
Why does DC Pro Sports hate Dan Snyder?????

In your above quote you basically say that anyone who doesn't see him as a terrible owner is oblivious or in his employ, but obviously many intelligent people see that some level of maturation has occurred over the years. It seems visceral with you guys and I just don't get it.

Hey if he makes a bonehead move, fine, report it, point it out. But seriously, when you say worst owner, dozens of other figures come to my mind before he does.[/quote]
I am not going to speak for Tom, but i can give you my perspective.

I gave Dan Snyder a good 4 to 5 years. I think Matt can attest to that, he used to post at times with us at hR and I used to defend Snyder. That has changed over the last three years because I don't like what I see that he has done to this once proud and historic organization. This has nothing to do with Dan the person. I don't know Dan. I have met several in the organization, but never Dan. I don't know him. BUT, I don't like his ownership style and I never will. This franchise really has no thought out plan for success. There is no plan for drafting to replace players in a few years, to build a healthy franchise. It develops players, leaves them go. Spends vasts amount of money on stars, while critical positions linger. They have not invested good solid drafts picks on the Oline and Dline since 2000. That is horrific. Especially given how critical those position are to success. The franchise is nothing more than a 10-6 to 5-11 franchise, hit the playoffs once every few years, but that is about it. Why? Because there is no direction. When your owner believe Vinny Cerrato is the guy, I already question it.

Listen, we all have differing opinions. I am one of those kind of guys, porbably because of my professional life and the success we have had at DCPSR, I am simply one of those guys that always believe in, what have you done lately. This farnchise has been mediocre since Snyder bought it and the lack of planning and decisions like Jason Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, and TJ Duckett are just awful, simply awful. I guess growing up in the 80s and watching how Jack Kente Cooke developed this franchise, with a professional staff, spoiled me. Watching teams like Pittsburgh and New England win year in and year out because they draft with purpose makes me wish. Given the fact that the last two years have seen more and more empty seats at FEDEX, I would say that Snyder's ownership is taking an effect, and not a good one. Just my opinion.