Its now offical....Lions lock up Stafford
 

6 yrs 41 million guar, no real surpprise here. One down, let the fun begin

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sorry here is the link..........
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/draft-2009/04/24/Stafford-Lions/index.html]Lions, Matthew Stafford come to terms - SI.com - NFL Draft[/url]

Re: Its now offical....Lions lock up Stafford
 

[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;549804]6 yrs 41 million guar, no real surpprise here. One down, let the fun begin[/quote]

That's why it sucks to suck! 0-16 means you gotta take a $41 million dollar gamble!

Re: Its now offical....Lions lock up Stafford
 

Best of luck, Lions.

Maybe now they'll be willing to trade up with us for an OT or MLB, depending on how the other picks fall?

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This is BAD news for the Skins - - if you believe that Danny Boy is "smitten" with Sanchez. That means that ANY team with a draft pick between 2 and 12 can threaten the Skins with taking "their boy" and there is no other quality QB out there in the draft for them to take if the Skins decide to call the bluff.

This might make Danny panic and trade all the way up to #2 or #3. Cost for that could be Campbell plus the #13 pick plus a lower round pick.

If the FO makes a trade like that it will probably go down in history as comparable to the signing - - and the forced starting - - of Jeff George.

BTW, if the Skins trade up for Sanchez and deal Campbell away in the same trade of some subsequent trade and you were Sanchez' agent, how much would you hold out for in negotiating with Danny Boy? $50M guaranteed? Why not? A trade up would have shown his hand and it's not as if he has a Pro Bowl QB on the roster to start in place of Sanchez. I would LOVE to be the agent in that circumstance...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;549813]This is BAD news for the Skins - - if you believe that Danny Boy is "smitten" with Sanchez. That means that ANY team with a draft pick between 2 and 12 can threaten the Skins with taking "their boy" and there is no other quality QB out there in the draft for them to take if the Skins decide to call the bluff.

This might make Danny panic and trade all the way up to #2 or #3. Cost for that could be Campbell plus the #13 pick plus a lower round pick.

If the FO makes a trade like that it will probably go down in history as comparable to the signing - - and the forced starting - - of Jeff George.

BTW, if the Skins trade up for Sanchez and deal Campbell away in the same trade of some subsequent trade and you were Sanchez' agent, how much would you hold out for in negotiating with Danny Boy? $50M guaranteed? Why not? A trade up would have shown his hand and it's not as if he has a Pro Bowl QB on the roster to start in place of Sanchez. I would LOVE to be the agent in that circumstance...[/quote]

I don't know if it's any worse now than it was before -- Stafford was projected to go to the Lions all along. They had to see this one coming.

As far as the money is concerned, that's never been an issue for Lil' Danny in the past.

I'm trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be as bad as I think. Maybe everything will be fine with the O-line, maybe everyone will stay healthy, maybe Haynesworth gives us all the pass rush we could possibly need, maybe Sanchez will click with our receivers in ways that JC never could, maybe this, maybe that ...

Re: Its now offical....Lions lock up Stafford
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;549813]This is BAD news for the Skins - - if you believe that Danny Boy is "smitten" with Sanchez. That means that ANY team with a draft pick between 2 and 12 can threaten the Skins with taking "their boy" and there is no other quality QB out there in the draft for them to take if the Skins decide to call the bluff.

This might make Danny panic and trade all the way up to #2 or #3. Cost for that could be Campbell plus the #13 pick plus a lower round pick.

If the FO makes a trade like that it will probably go down in history as comparable to the signing - - and the forced starting - - of Jeff George.

BTW, if the Skins trade up for Sanchez and deal Campbell away in the same trade of some subsequent trade and you were Sanchez' agent, how much would you hold out for in negotiating with Danny Boy? $50M guaranteed? Why not? A trade up would have shown his hand and it's not as if he has a Pro Bowl QB on the roster to start in place of Sanchez. I would LOVE to be the agent in that circumstance...[/quote]

50? are you serious? lemme have a drink of whatever's in your cup man

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I see this as a great thing.
Skins wont move up that high for a 16 game QB, plus, it left the OTs alone.

That plus the skins getting an OT, removes OT percieved demand...which is GREAT.
We may just end up with a solid OT after all.

And best of all...this could mean, no Sanchez!

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[quote=Son Of Man;549808]That's why it sucks to suck! 0-16 means you gotta take a $41 million dollar gamble![/quote]

LOL...and 8-8 means you [B]get[/B] to take a similar gamble if you really, really go after it. Sweet!

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Beemnseven:

Danny Boy has the scratch; that's not the issue.

But they spent a ton on Haynesworth and if the spend a ton on Sanchez - - which they will have to do if Sanchez' agent is smarter than fence post - - what does that leave them when it comes to making other players "happy"? [If Mike Sellers can whine about getting more money, then what player from last year's roster cannot?]

Let Danny Boy spend all the money he wants; the cap is going to level off and maybe even contract in the next year or two or three and then what...?

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[quote=skinsnut;549842]I see this as a great thing.
Skins wont move up that high for a 16 game QB, plus, it left the OTs alone.

That plus the skins getting an OT, removes OT percieved demand...which is GREAT.
We may just end up with a solid OT after all.

And best of all...this could mean, no Sanchez![/quote]

The tackles will be long gone by the time it gets to us at #13. We were never going up to 3 or 4 for Sanchez. We'll go to 8 if he's there, which he probably will be.

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Damn these rookies get paid way too much 41 mil is crazy

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tryfuhl:

You are Sanchez' agent. Imagine the Skins just traded away the #13 pick in the draft and Jason Campbell and maybe a lower round pick next year to get your client. On the squad now are Collins and Colt. You are negotiating for Sanchez.

You don't think you have Danny Boy spread-eagled over a barrell? If I were his agent, Danny Boy would pay TONS guaranteed to get him signed. Or ... you can start Collins or Colt. BUT if you thought either of those guys were capable, you would not have made the huge trade up to get my client.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;549845]Beemnseven:

Danny Boy has the scratch; that's not the issue.

But they spent a ton on Haynesworth and if the spend a ton on Sanchez - - which they will have to do if Sanchez' agent is smarter than fence post - - what does that leave them when it comes to making other players "happy"? [If Mike Sellers can whine about getting more money, then what player from last year's roster cannot?]

Let Danny Boy spend all the money he wants; the cap is going to level off and maybe even contract in the next year or two or three and then what...?[/quote]

While it kills us in terms of depth, the Redskins always manage to get around the cap implications of virtually any player on the planet.

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[quote=Paintrain;549847][B]The tackles will be long gone by the time it gets to us at #13. [/B] We were never going up to 3 or 4 for Sanchez. We'll go to 8 if he's there, which he probably will be.[/quote]

Ever notice how the main needs of the Redskins also happen to be the main needs of every team in front of us?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;549813]This is BAD news for the Skins - - [B]if you believe that Danny Boy is "smitten" with Sanchez.[/B] That means that ANY team with a draft pick between 2 and 12 can threaten the Skins with taking "their boy" and there is no other quality QB out there in the draft for them to take if the Skins decide to call the bluff.

This might make Danny panic and trade all the way up to #2 or #3. Cost for that could be Campbell plus the #13 pick plus a lower round pick.

If the FO makes a trade like that it will probably go down in history as comparable to the signing - - and the forced starting - - of Jeff George.

BTW, if the Skins trade up for Sanchez and deal Campbell away in the same trade of some subsequent trade and you were Sanchez' agent, how much would you hold out for in negotiating with Danny Boy? $50M guaranteed? Why not? A trade up would have shown his hand and it's not as if he has a Pro Bowl QB on the roster to start in place of Sanchez. I would LOVE to be the agent in that circumstance...[/quote]

I still do not believe that. I firmly think that the Sanchez thing is all smoke. I may be the only one in the world but I firmly believe that we have been fishing for trade-downs or for other talent to fall to us, nothing more.

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just a side note, we gave 41M guaranteed to AH, Stafford gets 41M guaranteed from the Lions.

Isn't that proof positive there needs to be a good working salary cap?

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[quote=Lotus;549878]I still do not believe that. I firmly think that the Sanchez thing is all smoke.[B] I may be the only one in the world but I firmly believe that we have been fishing for trade-downs or for other talent to fall to us, nothing more[/B].[/quote]

You're not alone Lotus. :food-smil

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;549881]just a side note, we gave 41M guaranteed to AH, Stafford gets 41M guaranteed from the Lions.

Isn't that proof positive there needs to be a good working salary cap?[/quote]

I've been trying to get my boss to pay me $41 mil but for some reason he won't budge. Loser.

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I think that the NFL commissioner Goodell needs to stop worrying about extending the season and playing a Super Bowl over seas and start worrying about the rookie payroll. I believe that the way it is set up now hurts teams. Everyone knows that the draft is more or less a gamble. Look at how many players come to the NFL from the college level that were total studs in college only to suck in the NFL. I am just saying that the deal that the Lions gave is historic. Stafford is getting $41.7 million guaranteed. That is $700,000 more than what the Redskins gave to a proven DT. What has Stafford done to prove that he is worth that much? Let him play in the NFL and then pay him what he deserves. I am just wondering where does it stop with these unproven rookies?!?!

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[quote=Lotus;549900]I've been trying to get my boss to pay me $41 mil but for some reason he won't budge. Loser.[/quote]

Obviously, he doesn't understand return on investment concepts!

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[quote=53Fan;549893]You're not alone Lotus. :food-smil[/quote]

That at least makes three of us.

It's good to have the specifics of the contract but any other player the Lions selected would have been a surprise. I like Stafford and think he'll do pretty well throwing to Calvin Johnson.

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for redkin8588, i think the comisssioner would love nothing more then a rookie salary cap. there is one small problem. the N.F.L.P.A. they are very firm in their stance to not cutting rookie salaries. their thinking is if a rookie like Stafford is worth 41 million in guarateed money, whats someone like Matt Cassel worth? the rookie money drives the whole leagues salaries upward

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;550022]Obviously, he doesn't understand return on investment concepts![/quote]

:food-smil

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[quote=dmek25;550030]for redkin8588, i think the comisssioner would love nothing more then a rookie salary cap. there is one small problem. the N.F.L.P.A. they are very firm in their stance to not cutting rookie salaries. their thinking is if a rookie like Stafford is worth 41 million in guarateed money, whats someone like Matt Cassel worth? the rookie money drives the whole leagues salaries upward[/quote]

Ok but what makes him worth $41 million? The NFLPA has their heads up their ass. I don't care how good someone is in college, it does not always transfer to the NFL. Look at all of the busts that come out of college. I mean look at the numbers each year at minimum the league drafts 224 players. Go back and look at how many of the 224 players are still in the league. I believe that this is one reason why the owners do not want to see a CBA contract agreed upon. I wouldn't if I was an owner...

Re: Its now offical....Lions lock up Stafford
 

[quote=dmek25;550030]for redkin8588, i think the comisssioner would love nothing more then a rookie salary cap. there is one small problem. the N.F.L.P.A. they are very firm in their stance to not cutting rookie salaries. their thinking is if a rookie like Stafford is worth 41 million in guarateed money, whats someone like Matt Cassel worth? the rookie money drives the whole leagues salaries upward[/quote]

Behind the scenes the NFLPA is not united in this stance. There are some vets who get peeved that a rookie who has never played a down makes more than they do.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the upcoming CBA negotiations.