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Have you ever seen this dude play???? well if you haven't, let me fill u in... the dude is a hitting machine!!!! the guy hunts and destroys in the secondary at will and i guarantee he will give the corners we have a run for their roster spots. the guy is a natural hitter, just like SEAN TAYLOR, but not as physically gifted because there will never be another #21. this guy is a linebacker at corner that will rock a few worlds when it's all said and done. on top of that, we lucked up getting a ball-hawk that delivers the spear to WR and RB alike...
GREAT PICK!!!!!!

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Hopefully some NFC East foes get sandwiched between him and Dirty 30.

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From a couple of top 100 draft prospect lists he's ranked as the 61st best pick, good pick.

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I like this...sounds like a smart pick and hopefully the guy stays healthy and develops into a stud.

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One or some of the "expert(s)" said he was projected as a 1st rounder before getting injured. He may be a real steal.

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If he does turn out to be a head hunter then great. It would be awesome if he does and we go get Taylor Mays next year in the draft to supplement his physical play. Mays has been considered the next S. Taylor at Safety. A head hunter himself. We would be awesome in the secondary to add to our D line strength. When Wynn and Daniels' one year tenured contracts are up, We could move Orakpo to permanent DE to fill the gap then go after O linemen and LB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Believe it or not we have all of our picks next year. We mayu be able to get compensatory picks also.

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Yeah, Barnes is a striker. Dude can smack you. What got me was that Cal game. Oh man, hopefully he comes in and does some damage.

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Why does everyone think he's such a big hitter? Oh yeah, that one play in that one game.

One of the knocks on him is poor run support, and despite the one hit against Cal that everyone is drooling over, apparently he wasn't a very physical tacker. And that was before fracturing his shoulder.

I think he's a good player, but I think too many people are making assumptions from one play that showed run support and big hitting - two of his weaknesses apparently.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kevin-barnes?id=80628]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Kevin Barnes[/url]

[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/04/introducing-kevin-barnes-redskins-third-round.html]Introducing Kevin Barnes, Redskins, Third Round - Hog Heaven[/url]

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he needs to beef up a little. I haven't seen him play much. Do you guys anticipate he'll be able to keep his quickness/speed and add 8-10 pounds?

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;551452]Hopefully some NFC East foes get sandwiched between him and Dirty 30.[/quote]

You and I both Unc :headbange.

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[quote=dan_snyder69;551532]he needs to beef up a little. I haven't seen him play much. Do you guys anticipate he'll be able to keep his quickness/speed and add 8-10 pounds?[/quote]

I don't see why not as long as he keeps training well. He's got the type of frame that still needs some filling out it appears.

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[quote=GMScud;551526]Why does everyone think he's such a big hitter? Oh yeah, that one play in that one game.

One of the knocks on him is poor run support, and despite the one hit against Cal that everyone is drooling over, apparently he wasn't a very physical tacker. And that was before fracturing his shoulder.

I think he's a good player, but I think too many people are making assumptions from one play that showed run support and big hitting - two of his weaknesses apparently.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kevin-barnes?id=80628]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Kevin Barnes[/url]

[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/04/introducing-kevin-barnes-redskins-third-round.html]Introducing Kevin Barnes, Redskins, Third Round - Hog Heaven[/url][/quote]

I saw him play a lot, and he's a good player. the Terps were particularly very physical during the Cal game, and maybe people are blowing that out of proportion (shit, for once people are blowing something positive out proportion though, so I'm fine with that). Maryland has produced some very good defensive player drafted in the later rounds, Domonique Foxworth comes to mind, a low round CB that has turned out to be a good starter in the league. Madieu Williams is another, I think he was drafted in the mid to lower rounds and is a pretty good starter.

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I'm a huge Virginia Tech fan and follow the ACC very closely. Yes Barnes is solid and can pop you but come on haha your talking about him as if he is Sean Taylor????? You have got to be kidding. He has one good hit against Cal. God knows i hope he is a steal and a stud. But it doesn't matter we should have got the CB from Vanderbilt. Barnes draft grade was 70 the Vandy guy 87. Lets not get to crazy about this guy yet.

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[quote=chrisl13;551517]Yeah, Barnes is a striker. Dude can smack you. What got me was that Cal game. Oh man, hopefully he comes in and does some damage.[/quote]

I was at that Cal game...oh my! I just remember Best lying on the ground puking up green gatorade after that one hit

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I was at the Cal game too and all of Byrd Stadium let out a collective OHHHHHHH, when he laid that hit

I'm a Maryland fan so I may be biased. I think he probably would have graded higher if he hadn't missed half the season. I am very happy with this pick, Barnes isn't afraid to go lay a hit on a RB, he has great speed and jumping ability & he doesn't drop easy interceptions.

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One of the experts deemed him as not physical enough, so I have no idea. Never seen him play before. So let's not annoint him yet. Hopefully we've found a good player.

Was Macho Harris still available at our 3rd round pick? I think he was. Without doing research i wonder who was graded out better? For us Barnes must have.

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Macho Harris was still there when we picked Barnes

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[quote=Crash;551834]Macho Harris was still there when we picked Barnes[/quote]

Macho Harris was there because he is not as good as Barnes. Pretty simple. Actually he was there for a couple rounds after that as well. Before his injury, Barnes was projected late first/early second.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;551719]I'm a huge Virginia Tech fan and follow the ACC very closely. Yes Barnes is solid and can pop you but come on haha your talking about him as if he is Sean Taylor????? You have got to be kidding. He has one good hit against Cal. God knows i hope he is a steal and a stud. But it doesn't matter we should have got the CB from Vanderbilt. Barnes draft grade was 70 the Vandy guy 87. Lets not get to crazy about this guy yet.[/quote]

I'm surprised that you, as a VT fan, didn't compare Barnes to Victor "Macho" Harris. I think that the two of them are similar. I just love the way both of them play the game all out all the time.

I assume the Skins graded Barnes higher because he is a little faster and a better leaper than Harris. I like the Barnes pick, but I would have been just as happy with Macho Harris.

Barnes is a very good player, although he hasn't played as many games as I would have liked. Also, I really believe that he needs to bulk up some to better protect himself against injury. Other than that, he has all the physical tools. The things I like most about him are his strong competitive desire and that fact that he is a ball hawk.

As for the Vandy guy, I don't like the idea of drafting a small corner. The WR's have gotten so big that a small CB has a greater disadvantage than ever before against them.

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Let's not discount the cerebral part of this pick either. He scored a 41 on the Wonderlic and let's face it, that would be an improvement if that part translates to the field over Rogers and Smoot. It's clear from this offseason our #1 goal has been to build an elite level defense and being able to go at least 4 deep at CB is a major part of that.

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I never understood why ppl are so ready to believe so called pundits and completely question the decision-making process our own staff goes through...I'd be willing to bet that if the pundit's every move was scrutinized like our FO, they wouldn't be so credible. They pretty much only deal with hypotheticals and no one really examines their predictions with a fine tooth comb. 3-5 years after a draft, most of the picks are out of sight out of mind so no one bothers to check how these guys performed compared to how they were projected.

Also you never hear people blaming Kiper/McShay/Whoever for "busts". It wasn't just the oakland raiders FO that thought Jamarcus Russell was next coming of Christ. In the same way, why doesn't anyone call out these pundits for not picking the "sleepers". It seems like a FO is scrutinized for missing out on a guy who ends up being an undrafted or late round superstar. No one ever says Kiper really dropped the ball on Terrell Davis or Tom Brady...

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[quote=Rajmahal33;551869]I never understood why ppl are so ready to believe so called pundits and completely question the decision-making process our own staff goes through...I'd be willing to bet that if the pundit's every move was scrutinized like our FO, they wouldn't be so credible. They pretty much only deal with hypotheticals and no one really examines their predictions with a fine tooth comb. 3-5 years after a draft, most of the picks are out of sight out of mind so no one bothers to check how these guys performed compared to how they were projected.

Also you never hear people blaming Kiper/McShay/Whoever for "busts". It wasn't just the oakland raiders FO that thought Jamarcus Russell was next coming of Christ. In the same way, why doesn't anyone call out these pundits for not picking the "sleepers". It seems like a FO is scrutinized for missing out on a guy who ends up being an undrafted or late round superstar. No one ever says Kiper really dropped the ball on Terrell Davis or Tom Brady...[/quote]

Some people just step up at the next level and there was no reason to believe that they would have. Sometimes the school that someone comes from, their limited play, or even performance just doesn't give analysts something to work with.

In the end, it's the team employing someone, not Kiper, so you take that at worth.

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obviously the FO is accountable to the organization (and by extension to the fans) but what i'm saying is why do so many fans blindly take the word of the "pundits" over the personnel employed to draft specifically for this team. It's like every decision that the FO makes is questioned and by default is categorized as being a bonehead move. But any two-bit sportswriter can give their opinion about a specific move and everyone immediately takes that to be gospel. No one ever questions about whether the pundits are wrong about this guy.

Look at the very least we shouldn't arbitrarily be considering a pick to be a disaster or annointing someone before these guys have played a single down of football. I think the whole concept of grading a draft/pick before seeing the on-field product is preposterous...

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[quote=Rajmahal33;552043]obviously the FO is accountable to the organization (and by extension to the fans) but what i'm saying is why do so many fans blindly take the word of the "pundits" over the personnel employed to draft specifically for this team. It's like every decision that the FO makes is questioned and by default is categorized as being a bonehead move. But any two-bit sportswriter can give their opinion about a specific move and everyone immediately takes that to be gospel. No one ever questions about whether the pundits are wrong about this guy.

Look at the very least we shouldn't arbitrarily be considering a pick to be a disaster or annointing someone before these guys have played a single down of football. I think the whole concept of grading a draft/pick before seeing the on-field product is preposterous...[/quote]

Good post.

Just to add I think it's safe to say the team scouts know much more about these guys than the so called experts. So yeah it does seem dumb to take the word of some draft expert over the team who has invested hours upon hours on researching these players.

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Barnes first hit might be the one that bounces Tryon to the practice squad, if not off the team altogether. It looks to be a signal from the FO that Tryon really isn't the CB they had hoped.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;552043]obviously the FO is accountable to the organization (and by extension to the fans) but what i'm saying is [B]why do so many fans blindly take the word of the "pundits" over the personnel employed to draft specifically for this team. It's like every decision that the FO makes is questioned and by default is categorized as being a bonehead move.[/B] But any two-bit sportswriter can give their opinion about a specific move and everyone immediately takes that to be gospel. No one ever questions about whether the pundits are wrong about this guy.

Look at the very least we shouldn't arbitrarily be considering a pick to be a disaster or annointing someone before these guys have played a single down of football. I think the whole concept of grading a draft/pick before seeing the on-field product is preposterous...[/quote]

Do better than 76-84 over ten years and maybe the FO won't look so boneheaded.

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[quote=tryfuhl;551630]I don't see why not as long as he keeps training well. He's got the type of frame that still needs some filling out it appears.[/quote]


Glad to see the kid is a heavy hitter. Saw a couple Maryland games on TV. He was pretty decent, but like the report said, he is maybe on the lanky side. He will put on weight over the next 2 years. Just stay healthy and he will be a great pickup indeed.

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The Terps defense was not the same after he got injured last season.

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[quote=Beemnseven;552204]Do better than 76-84 over ten years and maybe the FO won't look so boneheaded.[/quote]

Cop out answer I think. Our record over the past 10 years is not on the FO alone.

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[quote=Ruhskins;552402]Cop out answer I think. Our record over the past 10 years is not on the FO alone.[/quote]

Well you can't say that you lost individual games because of the FO so much, but it's their responsibility to make sure that they have the players and personnel in place to generate wins. It's that way in all of business, which football is one.

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[quote=Ruhskins;552402]Cop out answer I think. Our record over the past 10 years is not on the FO alone.[/quote]

A cop out? How so? Last time I checked success was determined by wins and losses. The people in the front office along with Dan Snyder are the ones most directly responisble for assembling the talent we have on the field and the coaching staff which directs them. That talent has been able to muster a 7-9 season average over the last ten years.

If somebody is assigned the task of hiring a staff to run an office, and the staff turns out to be completely unqualified and consistently doesn't produce results, who is ultimately to blame?

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[quote=tryfuhl;552406]Well you can't say that you lost individual games because of the FO so much, but it's their responsibility to make sure that they have the players and personnel in place to generate wins. It's that way in all of business, which football is one.[/quote]

True, I was just saying how blaming everything on the FO (i.e. the whole record example) is a cop out answer to argument that our scouts probably know better than the pundits.

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[quote=Beemnseven;552408]A cop out? How so? Last time I checked success was determined by wins and losses. The people in the front office along with Dan Snyder are the ones most directly responisble for assembling the talent we have on the field and the coaching staff which directs them. That talent has been able to muster a 7-9 season average over the last ten years.

If somebody is assigned the task of hiring a staff to run an office, and the staff turns out to be completely unqualified and consistently doesn't produce results, who is ultimately to blame?[/quote]

Ok then, how do you measure the success of a sport pundit then? If the argument is that our FO scouts probably know more than these sports pundits.

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Being a student at Maryland, I have seen him play ALOT of game. He is not the big "ST" hitter that everyone thinks he is. Every now and then when he has the right angles he will take someone out. That being said, he is an awsome corner with great hands, he knows where to be at all times, he is very fast and could really be a good NFL corner. Just because he took out the dude from Cal doesn't mean he is a big hitter, he is actually kinda small.

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IMO we already had the strongest defensive backfield in the league. Adding depth can't hurt

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[quote=DoggDayAfternoon;552430]IMO we already had the strongest defensive backfield in the league. Adding depth can't hurt[/quote]

Strongest in the NFC IMO...but could be elite by end of year. Landry really, really is due for a breakout season.

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[quote=JLW428;552426]Being a student at Maryland, I have seen him play ALOT of game. He is not the big "ST" hitter that everyone thinks he is. Every now and then when he has the right angles he will take someone out. That being said, he is an awsome corner with great hands, he knows where to be at all times, he is very fast and could really be a good NFL corner. Just because he took out the dude from Cal doesn't mean he is a big hitter, he is actually kinda small.[/quote]

You have a point.. He's a great cover corner with very good change of direction and long arms/ soft hands... He's a real steal because barring the shoulder injury, He would go in the first to second round. Like You said also, He takes good pursuit to the carrier angles and with wrap technique tackling work, will be a good take down threat at any part of the field.. Potential starter?? Yes by the next season.

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Can't wait for the annual Portis vs Landry vs Barnes race.

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Apparently Barnes is a bit of a big hitter.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/kevin-barnes?id=80628]National Football League: NFL Draft 2009 - Kevin Barnes[/url]

[QUOTE]Known as the Atlantic Coast Conference's hardest-hitting tackler, Barnes became a YouTube sensation after that service began showing the vicious hit he delivered on California's Jahvid Best early last season that caused the running back to "lose his lunch" from the bone-jarring tackle. But making sensational tackles had become a normal thing for the Terrapin defender. "That's probably the hardest hit I've ever taken in my life," Best said at the time. "It really knocked the wind out of me, and I had a little trouble breathing for the rest of the game."

[B]During 2008 spring camp, Barnes stopped running back Morgan Green (who outweighed him by 30 pounds) in his tracks[/B] during an intra-squad game, leaving his teammate being carried off the field.[/QUOTE]

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I kinda think this pick spells the end for Smoot more than it does Rogers