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MTK 05-01-2009 02:28 PM

RI: Skins Looking at Veteran Offensive Linemen
 
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/skins-also-looking-at-veteran.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Looking at Veteran Offensive Linemen[/url]

SmootSmack 05-01-2009 02:30 PM

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People talk about AH's anger management issues but they don't compare to Bridges'. But if Bridges can keep it together mentall-a big ask-then he could be a steal. Not holding my breath for that though

wilsowilso 05-01-2009 02:38 PM

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I think Joe Bugel needs to employ the "Thunderdome" technique in the search for our starting RT.

Just read that Jansen still considers himself as the starter. This is clearly the biggest question mark on the team by a wide margin and I'm starting to become more and more skeptical.

I guess there is still a long way to go before week 1?

MTK 05-01-2009 02:47 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;553987]People talk about AH's anger management issues but they don't compare to Bridges'. But if Bridges can keep it together mentall-a big ask-then he could be a steal. Not holding my breath for that though[/quote]

So what's his deal exactly?

Ruhskins 05-01-2009 03:13 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;554006]So what's his deal exactly?[/quote]

Yikes, check this out (I love Wikipedia by the way):

[quote]Bridges was arrested prior to the start of training camp for the 2007 season and charged with misdemeanor assault for [B]allegedly pointing a gun at a woman in a strip club parking lot[/B] in Charlotte, North Carolina. After a trial in November 2007, he was found guilty and given a 60-day suspended sentence and one year unsupervised probation; he was also ordered to pay a $500 fine and do 60 hours of community service. The Panthers suspended him for two games for the incident.[1]

On Sunday, December 7, 2008, Bridges was arrested in Ballantyne, Charlotte, North Carolina and [B]charged with simple assault and battery and communicating threats.[/B] The arrest stemmed from a confrontation at a local restaurant. The incident started when Bridges ordered a bottle of Dom Pérignon (wine) from the restaurant bar Saturday night and shook it up, causing the champagne to spew and get other patrons wet. The restaurant manager alleges that Bridges then got into a verbal confrontation with another patron and then a physical confrontation with the bouncer, at which time the police were called. Bridges admits that he shook and opened the champagne bottle, but denies any physical confrontation. He was released on $2,500 bond.[2] He was inactive for the Panthers' game on December 8, 2008, but it is unclear if he will face any more punishment from either the Panthers or the NFL.[3][/quote]

MTK 05-01-2009 03:15 PM

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Sounds like a first class a-hole

Trample the Elderly 05-01-2009 03:18 PM

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Well at least it was a strip club parking lot and not at McDonalds like what Marcus Vick did. I mean you expect that sort of thing at a strip club not the golden arches.

MTK 05-01-2009 03:34 PM

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The 2nd event was at a local restaurant though.

I don't care if the guy can keep his nose clean and play some ball.

tryfuhl 05-01-2009 03:34 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;554014]Yikes, check this out (I love Wikipedia by the way):[/quote]

What a character

Hamoskinz 05-01-2009 03:45 PM

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Looks like a head case, more trouble than he is worth. If he can show that he can keep his act together sign him, but I think Matty is right and it will take alot more than just anger management to change that attitude.

Native Skin 05-01-2009 03:45 PM

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[quote=trample the elderly;554022]well at least it was a strip club parking lot and not at mcdonalds like what marcus vick did. I mean you expect that sort of thing at a strip club not the golden arches.[/quote]

[B][SIZE="5"]I likeded da skripteded clubs!!![/SIZE][/B]

tryfuhl 05-01-2009 04:10 PM

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;554022]Well at least it was a strip club parking lot and not at McDonalds like what Marcus Vick did. I mean you expect that sort of thing at a strip club not the golden arches.[/quote]

Granted I don't know the full story but what would an O-Lineman need to pull a gun on a female for?

Monksdown 05-01-2009 04:33 PM

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in all seriousness, because the bitch set him up!

Paintrain 05-01-2009 04:37 PM

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[quote=Native Skin;554036][B][SIZE="5"]I likeded da skripteded clubs!!![/SIZE][/B][/quote]

You been hanging out with Horny4Zorny-nohomo?

SmootSmack 05-01-2009 04:47 PM

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[quote=tryfuhl;554047]Granted I don't know the full story but what would an O-Lineman need to pull a gun on a female for?[/quote]

Wasn't the answer she was expecting when she coyly asked him "is that a gun in your pocket...or are you just happy to see me?"

Chico23231 05-01-2009 05:03 PM

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Unfortunatly these are the type of characters we are left with when the FO fails to recognize the O-line was most injuried and inconsistent area on the team. Dockery is a plus but the entire line needs depth and the RT position needs someone to step up. A 410 lb-injury prone-first round bust and a guy who pulls guns on women is not the answer. Come on Vinny you got to be kidding me. Best hope is for Heyer to really improve and grab that position RT and pray we dont have an injuries to the rest of the o-line.

Ruhskins 05-01-2009 05:32 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;554059]Unfortunatly these are the type of characters we are left with when the FO fails to recognize the O-line was most injuried and inconsistent area on the team. Dockery is a plus but the entire line needs depth and the RT position needs someone to step up. [B]A 410 lb-injury prone-first round bust and a guy who pulls guns on women is not the answer. Come on Vinny you got to be kidding me.[/B] Best hope is for Heyer to really improve and grab that position RT and pray we dont have an injuries to the rest of the o-line.[/quote]

You do know there are other players besides these two, right? I like to see someone say something along the lines of..."Rinehart needs to step it up this year" or "Heyer better get his act together and show he can contend for a starting spot". We have been "building through the draft" as people so eloquent put it here, and these players need to step it up and show that they can play, start, or be solid backups. Also, is time for the coaching staff to get these guys going, get them ready to play. If the FO is going to go after offensive lineman to fix things up, they need to go after Levi Jones (but he hasn't be cut yet), otherwise I don't know if there are any other good FA to pick up at this moment.

CRedskinsRule 05-01-2009 05:48 PM

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I wonder how much psychology is involved. I know we fans overthink alot of things. But think about the message it sends to Rinehart, or Devin if we are bringing in a guy who has been out for awhile or has some other issues. Certainly it would bring home the point they need to step up, more than just giving lip service that they need to.
On a separate note I would love to keep Williams, even if its just for the dive play, and all he has to do is get the snap count right and then go forward.

The Goat 05-01-2009 07:06 PM

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We are wasting precious time w/ these "longshots" at RT or elsewhere on the o-line. Broken record that I am things tend to get repeated...IMO it will be the height of irresponsibility on the entire FO/coaching staff to enter yet another season w/ Samuels, Jansen and Heyer as the OT group. All three are coming off injury plagued seasons...Samuels should still be a top tackle but Jansen/Heyer wouldn't start anywhere else in the league and probably couldn't even hold a backup slot on many teams. I realize there's not a ton of talent out there right now (surprised by this a little) but as soon as something breaks loose (like Levi Jones coming available) we need to stop screwing around and invest some new dollars at the position.

EternalEnigma21 05-01-2009 07:12 PM

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[quote=smootsmack;554056]wasn't the answer she was expecting when she coyly asked him "is that a gun in your pocket...or are you just happy to see me?"[/quote]



nice :)

Chico23231 05-01-2009 07:39 PM

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I agree with The Goat. Sure I would loved to be pleasently surprised and have one of the young guys come in and excel at the RT position. But when I see the headline "Skins Looking at Veteran Offensive Linemen" I feel like asking: Why now? This is the headline I expected to see at the beginning of free agency and why I really feel the FO missed the boat on a couple vet tackles who were availible then. I understand they wanted to see how the draft worked out, and who may have fallen to us, but we only had a couple of picks to fill really several needs (OLB, OT and DE). I love the Orakpo pick and feel he is going to be a force on the D-Line for years. I think I'm still disappointed by the fact we didnt get any O-Line in draft and now were left trying to plug holes with guys who are not legit starters at this point in their careers. But when it comes to FO they never have plan b, and the O-line was destroyed by the end of last year. Hopefully one of the guys will work out or we get vet who maybe cut soon.

Lotus 05-01-2009 09:26 PM

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I taught Jeremy Bridges when he was in college. He was not a bad student and was very nice and personable in class. He seemed like an athlete who had his act together. However, outside of class, he caused trouble, especially when alcohol was involved. But he was a heck of a football player. He has very fine skills. Maybe now he has grown up some. If he can stay away from the booze he might be a real producer for us. If he hasn't grown up some then he'll cause more trouble.

ChickenMonkey 05-01-2009 09:27 PM

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Other URFA OT's Still avaliable

Ephram Salam OT Texans
Mark Tauscher OT Green Bay
Jonas Jennings OT 49ers

cobracai1 05-01-2009 09:33 PM

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;554116]Other URFA OT's Still avaliable

Ephram Salam OT Texans
Mark Tauscher OT Green Bay
Jonas Jennings OT 49ers[/quote]

Kwame Harris OT Raiders

in the right setting i think he can be at the very least solid depth

SmootSmack 05-01-2009 09:59 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554114]I taught Jeremy Bridges when he was in college. He was not a bad student and was very nice and personable in class. He seemed like an athlete who had his act together. However, outside of class, he caused trouble, especially when alcohol was involved. But he was a heck of a football player. He has very fine skills. Maybe now he has grown up some. If he can stay away from the booze he might be a real producer for us. If he hasn't grown up some then he'll cause more trouble.[/quote]

That's a cool story, I didn't know you were a college professor.

Lotus 05-01-2009 10:15 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;554121]That's a cool story, I didn't know you were a college professor.[/quote]

I teach at Southern Miss, the alma mater of Brett Favre, Adalius Thomas, and Ray Guy, among others. I wish the Skins had drafted USM's LB Gerald McGrath this year.

BTW in southern Mississippi you can find Packers memorabilia everywhere because of the Favre influence. It is strange to find so many Packers fans in the deep south. Favre himself lives in a mansion outside of town on about 160 acres so that he can walk out of his back door and go hunting.

53Fan 05-01-2009 11:22 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554127]I teach at Southern Miss, the alma mater of Brett Favre, Adalius Thomas, and Ray Guy, among others. I wish the Skins had drafted USM's LB Gerald McGrath this year.

BTW in southern Mississippi you can find Packers memorabilia everywhere because of the Favre influence. It is strange to find so many Packers fans in the deep south. Favre himself lives in a mansion outside of town on about 160 acres so that he can walk out of his back door and go hunting.[/quote]

So you're a gentleman [B]AND[/B] a scholar? Well done sir!

Lotus 05-01-2009 11:28 PM

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[quote=53Fan;554142]So you're a gentleman [B]AND[/B] a scholar? Well done sir![/quote]

Actually I am a rotten scholar and the only gentleman about me is Virginia Gentleman.

53Fan 05-01-2009 11:33 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554144]Actually I am a rotten scholar and the only gentleman about me is Virginia Gentleman.[/quote]

Humble too I would guess. :)

53Fan 05-01-2009 11:39 PM

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Has anyone heard anything about Raphael Nguti signing with anyone? He looked like a really good OT prospect and I was hoping we would take a good look at him.

skinsfan69 05-02-2009 11:58 AM

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I get the feeling that this is going to still be a real problem this year. Samules is at the point where he's probably not going to be able play 16 games anymore. And Thomas is coming off major surgery and is 33 or 34. And we all know RT is a mess. They can keep signing guys off the street but none of them are going to be effective and most probably won't even make the team. Why don't they re-sign Kendall for depth? I hope sure hope Rinehart is ready. I'm keeping my fingers crossed here...

The Goat 05-02-2009 12:30 PM

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050103847.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

The most disappointing part of it all is Zorn's evident resignation to enter another season w/o upgrading the o-line. From the article it would appear the group will have regressed even further from it's awful state last year...

It almost requires a conspiracy theory IMHO to wrap one's head around the situation. Like Danny and the FO are so anti-JC they simply won't give him the opportunity to elevate his game. That's crazy, right? I don't know what the answer is, but I do know this kind of behavior causes me to question whether there's a real football mind anywhere in the FO.

Nflnick11 05-02-2009 02:12 PM

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Well let's see how heyer and mike Williams do and hopefully we can't get levi jones when he gets cut by cincy

AnimateYYZ 05-02-2009 02:37 PM

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[quote=The Goat;554202][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050103847.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

The most disappointing part of it all is Zorn's evident resignation to enter another season w/o upgrading the o-line. From the article it would appear the group will have regressed even further from it's awful state last year...

It almost requires a conspiracy theory IMHO to wrap one's head around the situation. Like Danny and the FO are so anti-JC they simply won't give him the opportunity to elevate his game. That's crazy, right? I don't know what the answer is, but I do know this kind of behavior causes me to question whether there's a real football mind anywhere in the FO.[/quote]

Dude, be careful with calling out the front office like that. 'Son of Man' will come out and label you as a hater!!

All kidding aside, I completely agree with you.

CRedskinsRule 05-02-2009 02:58 PM

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I hope we get an additional starter somewhere along the line, but before we go breaking out lifeboats, can we remember that we have some young talent who are being called upon to step up. For all those who wrung their hands at us not taking Meredith or another OT in the later rounds, do we really expect that they would come in and suddenly be the answer. I don't. I think they will need a year or two under their belt before they reach that point. That by the way is what Rinehart, Clark, and Heyer now have. So why shouldn't we be counting on them to be " the guys", at the least for the back up positions.

I would also remind you that Kendall came from the Jets in July/August time frame. So that year we would not have had him in mini camp either.

Finally, if our line absolutely needs better talent, than that is on Bugel and Zorn to make their case to the FO, comments from Buges that Rabach is the best Center, are going to lessen the OL need in the eyes of the FO, not heighten it.

For those who preach that Snyder needs to get out of the way of his football people, you should joyful that we did not get OL in the draft, because according to the coaches we have got good talented youth. Unless you don't trust our "football people" either.

Lotus 05-02-2009 08:57 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;554211]I hope we get an additional starter somewhere along the line, but before we go breaking out lifeboats, can we remember that we have some young talent who are being called upon to step up. For all those who wrung their hands at us not taking Meredith or another OT in the later rounds, do we really expect that they would come in and suddenly be the answer. I don't. I think they will need a year or two under their belt before they reach that point. That by the way is what Rinehart, Clark, and Heyer now have. So why shouldn't we be counting on them to be " the guys", at the least for the back up positions.

I would also remind you that Kendall came from the Jets in July/August time frame. So that year we would not have had him in mini camp either.

Finally, if our line absolutely needs better talent, than that is on Bugel and Zorn to make their case to the FO, comments from Buges that Rabach is the best Center, are going to lessen the OL need in the eyes of the FO, not heighten it.

For those who preach that Snyder needs to get out of the way of his football people, you should joyful that we did not get OL in the draft, because according to the coaches we have got good talented youth. Unless you don't trust our "football people" either.[/quote]

I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?

drew54 05-02-2009 09:20 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

Its not always the X's and O's, but the Jimmy's and Joe's. The line is not exactly full of all pro's or under achievers. They are undersized and under skilled.

Ruhskins 05-02-2009 10:27 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

[B]Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys[/B]? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

I was wondering about this myself. Wasn't Buges singing praises of Rabach during an interview not that long ago? I'm wondering if he's telling the FO that his line is ok. Otherwise maybe we would have taken Oher at #13.

WaldSkins 05-02-2009 10:58 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;554272]I was wondering about this myself. Wasn't Buges singing praises of Rabach during an interview not that long ago? I'm wondering if he's telling the FO that his line is ok. Otherwise maybe we would have taken Oher at #13.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703410.html]Redskins Insider: Offseason Moves About to Start - washingtonpost.com[/url]

In this article that was published at the end of last season says that during a season ending meeting Buges was brutally honest about his O-line collapse.

The Goat 05-02-2009 11:20 PM

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[quote=Lotus;554266]I am going to write heretical words:

Is it possible that Buges is too loyal to his guys? Further, is it possible that our troubles with developing young linemen have to do with the fact that Buges is too old and the game has passed him by? In sum, is it possible that Buges is holding us back from creating the kind of front line that we need because he is living too much in the past and not enough in the future?[/quote]

I don't think any of this is very far off the mark...but i also think the FO must be complicit somehow to continually put off serious new investment into the o-line. Dock was a gift...he's not gonna fix anything to his right though.


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