Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

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Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

I say bring him in!

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I think ultimately our FO is satisfied with the Bridges/Heyer/Williams/Jansen battle for RT. Levi would def be an upgrade if healthy.

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I say sign him if its not going to be too expensive and he is healthy.

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He will probably go to a team where he has the best shot at being the starter, I am not 100% sure we are that team. I would like for him to come here, but it could be iffy.

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Given our need at RT the front office should at least look into it. If he's too costly and we have to pass him up, then I can live with that. But we at least have to look.

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another often injured player i do not think its a good idea stabilty is what we need someone who can play a whole season that is our problem now.

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Jones was due to make $3M this year in Cincy. He will not be signing for chump change wherever he goes.


There is something strange going on here. Levi Jones can still play; he is not old and he's not wracked with injuries. He does not have the reputation for being "felonious". So, why are the Bengals - - not a team with a real deep roster - - so anxious to draft his replacement and move him out?


Is there something dark here? Or is this just an example of why the Bengals are the Bengals?

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[quote=cobracai1;555338]I think ultimately our FO is satisfied with the Bridges/Heyer/Williams/Jansen battle for RT. Levi would def be an upgrade if healthy.[/quote]

I think you are right. Without making a normative assessment (I can't really comment on Jones' ability at this point in his career and have never seen him play) I doubt the F.O. will bring in Jones.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;555344]Jones was due to make $3M this year in Cincy. He will not be signing for chump change wherever he goes.


There is something strange going on here. Levi Jones can still play; he is not old and [b]he's not wracked with injuries.[/b] He does not have the reputation for being "felonious". So, why are the Bengals - - not a team with a real deep roster - - so anxious to draft his replacement and move him out?


Is there something dark here? Or is this just an example of why the Bengals are the Bengals?[/quote]

"[FONT=arial]After missing just one game during his first four seasons, Jones has missed 17 during the past three. Last year he suffered a season-ending leg injury against Philadelphia and missed the last six games."

That might not count for being "wracked" with injuries by Redskins standards, but missing 1/3 of the teams games over the past three season's doesn't exactly suggest he is reliable. I don't think you need to go searching too deeply for "darkness," they must have perceived him as an injury risk with diminishing returns whose replacement was already in-house. Whether that is right or not I don't know, but I don't think you need a conspiracy theory to explain the release.
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I would like him here. But reading that link, I think I still am most upset that we made a crummy decision w/last years practice squad.

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[quote=cobracai1;555338]I think ultimately our FO is satisfied with the Bridges/Heyer/Williams/Jansen battle for RT. Levi would def be an upgrade if healthy.[/quote]

I think you can safely remove Jansen from the pool. They are not treating him as an option.

Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

jansen is a liability in the passing game he should be replaced

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missing 17 games in three years is wracked to me

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he was to make 3 million this year so he has been on the bench for a third of it that is a million to sit watch hell sign me up lol

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;555344]Jones was due to make $3M this year in Cincy. He will not be signing for chump change wherever he goes.[/quote]

Just an FYI, we have over 8 mil in cap space.

I do not think an often injured player is someone we should be looking at. He had a season ending injury last year, and we have had enough of that.

All the haters on Jansen...I am one of the few that thinks he might be able to make a solid comeback this year after a year of strengthening and conditioning his injured parts. Jansen was a GREAT tackle until injuries just derailed his career. I think we might be a little shocked how much better he will be. Then again, I could be wrong. Still, want to see if he can regain his form.

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[quote=jsarno;555367]Just an FYI, we have over 8 mil in cap space.

I do not think an often injured player is someone we should be looking at. He had a season ending injury last year, and we have had enough of that.

All the haters on Jansen...I am one of the few that thinks he might be able to make a solid comeback this year after a year of strengthening and conditioning his injured parts. Jansen was a GREAT tackle until injuries just derailed his career. I think we might be a little shocked how much better he will be. Then again, I could be wrong. Still, want to see if he can regain his form.[/quote]

I think the exorcist ankle was the nail in the coffin. I hope he comes back strong too but the rumors are that he would be on the street if it wasn't for his cap number.

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[quote=jsarno;555367]Just an FYI, we have over 8 mil in cap space.

I do not think an often injured player is someone we should be looking at. He had a season ending injury last year, and we have had enough of that.

All the haters on Jansen...I am one of the few that thinks he might be able to make a solid comeback this year after a year of strengthening and conditioning his injured parts. Jansen was a GREAT tackle until injuries just derailed his career. I think we might be a little shocked how much better he will be. Then again, I could be wrong. Still, want to see if he can regain his form.[/quote]

I am sure I have done it, but how can you put these two points in the same reply. Your logic says we have had enough injured players, so no Levi (ok, I understand that); but Jansen can make a solid comeback since he was a great Tackle(Levi was not shabby either) until injuries derailed him.

Your basic flow then is don't get the oft injured tackle, lets count on the oft injured tackle.

We obviously are doing the Golden Corral of RT's so we might as well have a serving of Levi on our plate if we can sign him appropriately.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;555354]I think you can safely remove Jansen from the pool. They are not treating him as an option.[/quote]

Agreed. He costs more to cut than keep, so he'll make the 53 man, but IMO it will be as a backup center/guard.

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This is what I meant when I said finding a sutiable stop gap at RT was easier than finding a rush end. Adequate to plus OLmen come around somewhat regularly. it's why i like the Orakpo drafting and wasn't terribly disappointedwe didn't take Oher. A guy like Jones has to be looked at for us. But I don't think he brings a lot more than what we already have. If he costs us a dime more than any of the other guys i say no.

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I'd be surprised if he's not on the Skins radar. Vet min only given his injury history.

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Well healthy he is automatically an upgrade at RT over last year. health is the issue. If we have Bridges/Jones/Heyer/Williams competing that'd be a hell of a battle in camp. No way we really go into camp with that entire crew. There aren't enough reps to get a good look at any of them.

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Sign him to the vet min, and let Bridges back up Thomas at RG.

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[quote=vallin21;555400]Sign him to the vet min, and let Bridges back up Thomas at RG.[/quote]

I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.

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Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury. If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.

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We have zero financial commitment to Williams, Bridges and Heyer, so the fact that theyre here doesnt automatically preclude that we sign Jones. That said, I agree with cobracai that the FO is probably "happy" with the guys they already have competing. Jones is a major injury concern and would cost more all by himself than would Williams, Bridges, and Heyer combined.

At this point, i'm pretty sure Williams or Heyer will be our starting RT and the other one will be a backup. My main fear is that because we can't afford to cut Jansen, we're going to have to put the other Williams (former MD center) on the practice squad where he'll be snatched up by another team. And if Rabach goes down... Jansen plays center. And i dont think any of us want to see that.

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[quote=The Goat;555409]Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. [B]Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury.[/B] If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.[/quote]

Great point, and one of our biggest worries. If Samuels goes down it is going to be a rough year, and he probably will, so if LJ is able to act as a backup that way, it is worth the extra cash to get him in, assuming he passes his physical LOL

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555407]I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.[/quote]

We need to get him in at a reasonable price whether it's a vet min or a 1yr deal w/ incentives nothing more. We have leverage on him to sign here, because he's almost 30, injured, and just got cut. He'd be competing against an unproven (Heyer) and oft-injured aging (Jansen), which he can beat out. Here would be my projected starting O-line come Opening Day.

LT Samuels
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT L. Jones
Bridges would backup Thomas at RG

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[quote=jsarno;555367]Just an FYI, we have over 8 mil in cap space.

I do not think an often injured player is someone we should be looking at. He had a season ending injury last year, and we have had enough of that.

All the haters on Jansen...I am one of the few that thinks he might be able to make a solid comeback this year after a year of strengthening and conditioning his injured parts. Jansen was a GREAT tackle until injuries just derailed his career. I think we might be a little shocked how much better he will be. Then again, I could be wrong. Still, want to see if he can regain his form.[/quote]

Don't know where you're getting that $8 million from. It seems like that's a bit high. I think I saw around $5 million before the draft from another source and if you count Barnes and Orakpo's contracts that would probably take us down to about $2 million. Also if we had $8 million in cap space I'm sure we would be making more moves than just signing people for the vet min.
Anyways I doubt we'll bring him in. Everybody seems okay with the competition between the guys we got now.

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I agree w/BigHairArist. & TheGoat, we will have roster issues due to the infeasibility of cutting Jansen & others, and Samuels is at the point of his career where he'll get nicked & slow down.

While it may hurt spec. teams it might be worth it to keep an extra O linemen over an extra LB or WR on the active roster. E. Williams might make it as a guard/center, allowing the team some flexibility there.

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If vallin's OLine is right, we would have only changed two players, and gotten one new backup in Bridges.

And 3 out of 5 are possible injury candidates.

Is that good enough?

I would say yes, but only by a hair. As is often the case, our season will rise and fall based on injuries.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555375]I am sure I have done it, but how can you put these two points in the same reply. Your logic says we have had enough injured players, so no Levi (ok, I understand that); but Jansen can make a solid comeback since he was a great Tackle(Levi was not shabby either) until injuries derailed him.

Your basic flow then is don't get the oft injured tackle, lets count on the oft injured tackle.

We obviously are doing the Golden Corral of RT's so we might as well have a serving of Levi on our plate if we can sign him appropriately.[/quote]

No, let me explain...we have [i]no choice[/i] with Jansen...he's already here and he was "injured in the line of duty for US". Levi is someone elses issue, so he would need to be far and away a better option and not much of an injury risk. We have the option NOT to pick up Levi. Let Jansen show what he can do...if not, he's toast. I just have a feeling about him. I could be wrong, but Jansen might be a much better tackle this year. Time will tell.
Hope that explains it.

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[quote=an23dy;555418]Don't know where you're getting that $8 million from. It seems like that's a bit high. I think I saw around $5 million before the draft from another source and if you count Barnes and Orakpo's contracts that would probably take us down to about $2 million. Also if we had $8 million in cap space I'm sure we would be making more moves than just signing people for the vet min.
Anyways I doubt we'll bring him in. Everybody seems okay with the competition between the guys we got now.[/quote]

It's from this website:
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]
8.8 mil...but you are correct in that Orakpo and Barnes have not been signed yet. Don't think Barnes is going to hurt us much, but Orakpo will.

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jsarno. Gotcha, that makes it a little clearer, I still think our OLine buffet can use as many bodies as possible, heck if only to limit wear and tear on our starters until the season. In the end what matters is that whatever the lineup, we want to have enough useful contributors to pick up the slack when one goes down, cuz we won't make it through the year without ANY injuries.

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[quote=jsarno;555427]It's from this website:
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]
8.8 mil...but you are correct in that Orakpo and Barnes have not been signed yet. Don't think Barnes is going to hurt us much, but Orakpo will.[/quote]

It's 8.8 minus a little over 3 mill for our rookie pool.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555430]It's 8.8 minus a little over 3 mill for our rookie pool.[/quote]

I was wondering about that...it doesn't say it on the cap summary page...it's blank.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555407]I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.[/quote]


Talk about "Heavy Jumbo". Let M. Williams be the wing! ha ha ha Portis following Caveman following Williams. Now that is smashmouth!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555428]jsarno. Gotcha, that makes it a little clearer, I still think our OLine buffet can use as many bodies as possible, heck if only to limit wear and tear on our starters until the season. In the end what matters is that whatever the lineup, we want to have enough useful contributors to pick up the slack when one goes down, cuz we won't make it through the year without ANY injuries.[/quote]

Well, I see your point, and I won't object IF it's a vet min deal...but what are the odds we get that from Levi?

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Given the circumstances his agent might try & find a 1 yr. vet min. deal w/incentives just to try & get his client in position to maybe land a long-term deal. I don't know of a team that has a greater need for a starter than the skins.

Pitt. has a need there, but I don't see them signing him. Oakland might throw a few extra dollars his way.

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[quote=jsarno;555435]Well, I see your point, and I won't object IF it's a vet min deal...but what are the odds we get that from Levi?[/quote]
well, and i don't know, but if we sign him to a market based contract (no where near the 3M he is due, but over vet min) and he is a camp cut, no harm no foul salary cap wise right? and if he is capable, than he helps us at a higher tag. I would price him under Dock, over vet min.