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[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30848903/"][COLOR=#0066cc]Timeline: What Cheney's been saying lately[/COLOR][/URL]
Americans couldn't get Dick Cheney to say anything while in office. now, they cant keep him quiet. is he helping the cause? i see him as a bitter, same old views( that helped to contribute to some of the mess we are in) old politician. but maybe you look at it differently? thoughts?

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I see him as defending their position and why is Obama holding on to the info we gained from waterboarding when he just released what torture was used? Maybe because people willl see it did infact save lives.

I say maybe Obama should tell Biden to keep his mouth shut.

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first, you just spoke like a politician. meaning, you never answered the question

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I guess it's not hurting our party:

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/21/cnn-poll-favorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/]CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise « - Blogs from CNN.com[/url]

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Is Cheney’s uptick due to his visibility as one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama administration? Almost certainly not,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Former President George W. Bush's favorable rating rose six points in that same time period, and Bush has not given a single public speech since he left office.”
taken from the article. i guess since they aren't in power, they cant mess anything up

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[quote=dmek25;558954]Is Cheney’s uptick due to his visibility as one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama administration? Almost certainly not,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Former President George W. Bush's favorable rating rose six points in that same time period, and Bush has not given a single public speech since he left office.”
taken from the article.[B] i guess since they aren't in power, they cant mess anything up[/B][/quote]

Right you are. That's the current administration's job now. :)

Also keep in mind that it could be a sign of some buyers' remorse on the part of those who voted for Obama/Biden.

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If Cheney want's to speak, it's his right. Democrats shouldn't be vexed by his high profile, since he's so widely hated. And yet it seems to vex them anyway.

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[quote=70Chip;559010]If Cheney want's to speak, it's his right. Democrats shouldn't be vexed by his high profile, since he's so widely hated. And yet it seems to vex them anyway.[/quote]

Not me, I love seeing him out there though if I was given the opportunity to perform CPR on him in an emergency I would decline.

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I see Cheney's outspoken views on this as strengthening the party.

I can't see the logic in making the details of interrogation tactics used in Gitmo public. Doesn't that just give the enemy knowledge of what we're doing? You can train to handle those situations, you know.

I can't knock Obama for ending certain practices, that's his choice as president. But why make it public? What purpose does that serve?

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[quote=saden1;559041]Not me, I love seeing him out there though if I was given the opportunity to perform CPR on him in an emergency I would decline.[/quote]

Further evidence of the absurd bipartisan divide in this country. You're basically saying you'd treat a fellow American - of an opposing view - just as you'd treat one of America's enemies.

That's ridiculous and makes me sad to have you as an American.

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[quote=saden1;559041]Not me, I love seeing him out there though if I was given the opportunity to perform CPR on him in an emergency I would decline.[/quote]

It does seem absurd, this is twice, Rush and Cheney, recently where your rhetoric has been very antagonistic. I really am shocked by your disregard of someone's life because they hold a different, but within the range of our political dialogue, point of view then you.

I don't quite get it, you at one point really lambasted me for not being scared or whatever towards the end of time, but yet you somehow see allowing the death of a fellow American that you could save. I don't get it :(

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[quote=Schneed10;559061]Further evidence of the absurd bipartisan divide in this country. You're basically saying you'd treat a fellow American - of an opposing view - just as you'd treat one of America's enemies.

That's ridiculous and makes me sad to have you as an American.[/quote]

Dude! We're talking about Richard Cheney! You know the same guy that tried to have a dude's wife killed! The same guy that shot a "friend" in the face and got the "friend" to apologize to him! The same guy that gives a no bid multi billion dollar contract to his company! The same guy that committed war crimes against his enemy!

I could go on and on, but the fact remains that the world is better off without him! And you can quote me on that!

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[quote=saden1;559041]Not me, I love seeing him out there though if I was given the opportunity to perform CPR on him in an emergency I would decline.[/quote]
Why so much hate? First Rush now Chenney that you want to see dead.Funny how the left seems to be filled with so much hate but then they preach why can't we all get along. I never heard anyone here that seem to be a REP. speak of people on the left dying.

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[quote=Miller101;559064]Dude! We're talking about Richard Cheney! You know the same guy that tried to have a dude's wife killed! The same guy that shot a "friend" in the face and got the "friend" to apologize to him! The same guy that gives a no bid multi billion dollar contract to his company! The same guy that committed war crimes against his enemy!

I could go on and on, but the fact remains that the world is better off without him! And you can quote me on that![/quote]
The face of the left shows its ugly head again and again.

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[quote=Miller101;559064]Dude! We're talking about Richard Cheney! You know the same guy that tried to have a dude's wife killed! The same guy that shot a "friend" in the face and got the "friend" to apologize to him! The same guy that gives a no bid multi billion dollar contract to his company! The same guy that committed war crimes against [B]his [/B]enemy!

I could go on and on, but the fact remains that the world is better off without him! And you can quote me on that![/quote]

ignoring the rest of the diatribe, at least acknowledge the fact that they were enemies of [B]OUR[/B] country

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[quote=Schneed10;559061][B]Further evidence of the absurd bipartisan[/B] [B]divide in this country[/B]. You're basically saying you'd treat a fellow American - of an opposing view - just as you'd treat one of America's enemies.

That's ridiculous and makes me sad to have you as an American.[/quote]
maybe the most poetic post ever. while i do not agree with most of this past administrations policies, or the manner in which they carried them out, i do believe that they thought they were doing the right things. they just were flat out wrong, in alot of cases. but i do not wish bodily harm to anyone. but do not forget, that most of the far right is pro life. and with those lie a large amount that would sooner kill a doctor, or blow up an abortion clinic, to state their belief. so the hatred goes both ways

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[quote=dmek25;559081]maybe the most poetic post ever. while i do not agree with most of this past administrations policies, or the manner in which they carried them out, i do believe that they thought they were doing the right things. they just were flat out wrong, in alot of cases. but i do not wish bodily harm to anyone. but do not forget, that most of the far right is pro life. and with those lie a large amount that would sooner kill a doctor, or blow up an abortion clinic, to state their belief. so the hatred goes both ways[/quote]
Oh come on with the shooting and blowing up clinics. Every side has a radical fring but to say the pro life movement is full of these people is just crazy. When was the last time that even happened?

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[quote=dmek25;559081]maybe the most poetic post ever. while i do not agree with most of this past administrations policies, or the manner in which they carried them out, i do believe that they thought they were doing the right things. they just were flat out wrong, in alot of cases. but i do not wish bodily harm to anyone. but do not forget, that most of the far right is pro life. and with those lie a large amount that would sooner kill a doctor, or blow up an abortion clinic, to state their belief. so the hatred goes both ways[/quote]

I would never associate a radical minority's willingness to act violently with the sane portion representing the majority of a party.

That would be like saying all Muslims are wrong because Osama wants to see us dead. Or like saying all blacks are brutal to animals because of Vick and his boys.

I wasn't saying anything about democrats in general. I was simply addressing saden and saden alone. He's gone off the deep end, and as bright as he may be, he's too far gone with the bipartisanship for his opinion to ever be considered valid. If you can't consider that the other party may be right at times, and concede when they are, then your opinion isn't credible.

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i didnt take any of it personal. i wasn't saying that all pro lifers are nut jobs. all im saying that both sides are filled with over zealous idiots.

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I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

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[quote=Miller101;559064]Dude! We're talking about Richard Cheney! You know the same guy that tried to have a dude's wife killed! The same guy that shot a "friend" in the face and got the "friend" to apologize to him! The same guy that gives a no bid multi billion dollar contract to his company! The same guy that committed war crimes against his enemy!

I could go on and on, but the fact remains that the world is better off without him! And you can quote me on that![/quote]
Yea Dude, I heard Cheney waterboarded the guy until he apologized to him. Who's wife did Cheney try to kill? You need to stop getting your news from democratsungerground.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;559063]It does seem absurd, this is twice, Rush and Cheney, recently where your rhetoric has been very antagonistic. I really am shocked by your disregard of someone's life because they hold a different, but within the range of our political dialogue, point of view then you.

[B]I don't quite get it, you at one point really lambasted me for not being scared or whatever towards the end of time, but yet you somehow see allowing the death of a fellow American that you could save. I don't get it [/B]:([/quote]

They are not contradictory positions and I am confidant you know the difference between the two positions.

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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;559105][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_%28psychology%29"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)[/URL])[/quote]


Guilty as charged but do you see the irony?

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[quote=saden1;559101]They are not contradictory positions and I am confidant you know the difference between the two positions.[/quote]

I suppose I do, yet, I can't imagine ever being in the same place as a person in need of CPR and not perform it. One, if you are certified, it is your obligation, and two, if you know it but your certification lapsed, it would seem like a compassionate person would do whatever he/she could to save another life.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;559107]I suppose I do, yet, I can't imagine ever being in the same place as a person in need of CPR and not perform it. One, if you are certified, it is your obligation, and two, if you know it but your certification lapsed, it would seem like a [B]compassionate person would do whatever he/she could to save another life.[/B][/quote]


Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.

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[quote=saden1;559108]Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.[/quote]

Why did I know someone would take it to a terrorist/prisoner. But we are not talking about enemies of our country, but a former Vice President and a person in Limbaugh who is in good standing in United States society. Not a person who has devoted his existence to the end of mine or my country, regardless of political leaning.

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[quote=saden1;559096]saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.[/quote]saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;559110]Why did I know someone would take it to a terrorist/prisoner. But we are not talking about enemies of our country, but a former Vice President and a person in Limbaugh who is in good standing in United States society. Not a person who has devoted his existence to the end of mine or my country, regardless of political leaning.[/quote]

Good standing is a bit of an overstatement don't you think? Dick shattered our moral high-ground and gutted and disrespected our Constitution and Rushbo the venom spitting drug addict who thinks people shouldn't participate in the recession are not in good standing.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559111]saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.[/quote]

saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.

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No Saden, both are in good standing in the US society. I am kinda done, when you can't recognize that, you really have gone a bit over the edge. Are they perfect, no, neither are Clinton and Ted Kennedy, but you don't hear people making your types of statements about them.

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[quote=saden1;559096]I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.[/quote]
So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.
[quote]President Bill Clinton issues Presidential Decision Directive 39 (PDD-39), which authorizes the "extraordinary rendition," or transfer, of non-citizen prisoners to Egypt for interrogation and trial. Egypt is known to practice torture, and statements obtained by torture in Egypt have been put to use by U.S. intelligence agencies. Human rights activists have argued that this is often the whole point of extraordinary rendition--it allows U.S. intelligence agencies to have prisoners tortured without breaking U.S. anti-torture laws.[/quote]
[url=http://civilliberty.about.com/od/lawenforcementterrorism/tp/History-of-Torture-Timeline.htm]History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition]Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[quote=saden1;559108]Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.[/quote]
Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?

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[quote=saden1;559112]Good standing is a bit of an overstatement don't you think? Dick shattered our moral high-ground and gutted and disrespected our Constitution and Rushbo the venom spitting drug addict who thinks people shouldn't participate in the recession are not in good standing.[/quote]
So I guess you share the same feelings about Pelosi?

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I don't want to speak for Saden, but I'm guessing his issue with their "different beliefs" lies in morality.

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[quote=saden1;559096] saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.[/quote]

I hear that one of the first signs of mental disorder is referring to yourself in the third person.

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[quote=saden1;559113]saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.[/quote]I appreciate and value your input too. Can't we all just share some arugula salad :grouphug:

P.S. we won't invite Cheney or Rush

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[quote=Schneed10;559061]Further evidence of the absurd bipartisan divide in this country. You're basically saying you'd treat a fellow American - of an opposing view - just as you'd treat one of America's enemies.

That's ridiculous and makes me sad to have you as an American.[/quote]

Hey Schneed.............one more thing to add. You're making it sound like "opposing view" is on something like Medicare, Socialy Security, taxes..............crap like that. Its not! His opposing view involves outing undercover CIA agents. Fear Mongering the crud out of me and you! Misleading us into a war. Taking away our constitional rights by not getting a warrant to conduct searches or wiretaps. Committing war crimes.

You see, I think all of those "opposing views" are qualities in a evil person. Thats why I believe the world would be better off without him. Now, I know I should have used more tact the first time I stated that. But, I stand by what I said.

And just for the record, If I saw someone needing CPR..............I'd call for an ambulance.

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[quote=steveo395;559117]So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.

[URL="http://civilliberty.about.com/od/lawenforcementterrorism/tp/History-of-Torture-Timeline.htm"]History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States[/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition"]Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]


Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?[/quote]

You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their [URL="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=torture,_rendition,_and_other_abuses_against_captives_in_iraq,_afghanistan,_and_elsewhere"]rendition[/URL] you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.

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[quote=70Chip;559010]If Cheney want's to speak, it's his right. Democrats shouldn't be vexed by his high profile, since he's so widely hated. And yet it seems to vex them anyway.[/quote]

Maybe he can be like Jimmy Carter and be a self-appointed "negotiator" around the world. That did wonders

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[quote=saden1;559205]You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their [URL="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=torture,_rendition,_and_other_abuses_against_captives_in_iraq,_afghanistan,_and_elsewhere"]rendition[/URL] you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.[/quote]
So we know the people sent there were tortured but you don't think the president of the Unites States knew?