Signing Walter Rasby
 

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I think this lessens the chance of us drafting winslow. I think it looks like we would move toward signing taylor or trading down and taking a couple of dlinemen

I think that the team is coming together very nicely, let's just hope that what's on paper can translate to the playing field this go around.

exactly cpayne. I've seen years we looked great on paper (maybe not THIS good) but still. Gotta see how the players gel. I can see us going Winslow, even though I love Taylor. I want Taylor so bad....

[QUOTE=Daseal]exactly cpayne. I've seen years we looked great on paper (maybe not THIS good) but still. Gotta see how the players gel. I can see us going Winslow, even though I love Taylor. I want Taylor so bad....[/QUOTE]

I am with you there daesel, but don't worry we wont take winslow, gibb's alway's made due with whatever TE he had at the time, he doesn't need a star at the position to throw to that's why we have WR's, and take this into account I remember year's back gibb's talking about alvin walton and his ability to hit or roll your rump as he put it, as he explained the ability to really put something extra into a hit and make reciever's think twice about catching the ball, don't under estimate gibb's knowledge and understanding of what need's to be done on defense, I think he know's what a shawn taylor bring's to a team, and unless they think udeze is going to be a big time pass rusher, and trade down for an extra pick, I think he will take him, and I just love this kid he will be a star.

If we draft Kellen Winslow, our offense has the potential to score 500 points.

If we draft Sean Taylor, is it going to make the same kind of difference for our defense?

Maybe it would, but my thinking is Winslow is such a difference maker that we can't afford to pass on him.

Signing Rasby to me is just plain good sense - but we need more help at tight end in a Gibbs offense.

The old Gibbs offense had a player named Clint Didier, and when he was at his peak, he really helped open up the offense.

Anyone who saw Winslow Sr. play has to say that was the greatest tight end in history. Winslow Jr. might just take his place.

I think the thing with the draft is that you focus on the biggest impact player you can find, with need being secondary. In free agency, need is more important.

Signing Butler, if it happens, will bolster our secondary and will give us more freedom to take Winslow before Taylor.

I think we will draft Winslow.

Sorry to say guys but we're gonna trade down hours before the draft and neither winslow or taylor will be available by then.

I agree with SittingBull - they have already said they are considering this.

Either we make another (future draft picks or players) trade for more picks this year, or we lose the #5 and get more further down. If we get a killer DE and other backups (or even a rough diamond starter) we'll not be worrying about the secondary.

Sadly, I'm starting to agree with SittingBull also.

We really don't have that many holes to fill. We have two new faces on the D line, (3 if you include noble) and most of us agree that Wynn should keep his starting job.

Winslow is an amazing TE and Taylor is an amazing safety. I wouldn't be upset with either of them.

The reason I don't like Udeeze is I have a feeling his career won't be near as long as Taylor or Winslows. I feel we have very few needs and althought TE and Safety might not be top of the list, if we settle them with the two best prospects coming out of college for that position in years then it will be a long time before we need to fill that. The DE's and DT's are good but I don't see potential super stars in them. Maybe it's me. I never saw much of Will Smith but when I did he was rarely around the ball. Udeeze is a great speed rusher but I don't know how long he'll last in the league, I could be totally wrong about this all speculation.

I just think that these two players are young, smart and extremely talented. Under the leadership of our current coaching staff I think they could quickly be molded into the best players around!

I agree, getting either of them would be great but it looks like we may be down to only one pick in the draft. I think we'll trade down to get more than one pick.

[QUOTE=azskinsfan2]I agree, getting either of them would be great but it looks like we may be down to only one pick in the draft. I think we'll trade down to get more than one pick.[/QUOTE]

Another one here agreeing about trading down. I think the choice will be take Taylor if available, and if not, trade down to pick a DE, of which there are 2 or 3 decent ones, one of which will still be around by, say, pick 20. I hope we will look to take Taylor, a real impact player who will make the offensive backs of all postions think about going into Taylor's territory.
I really want Taylor!

I really want Taylor too. Our strength at linebackers will elevate the performance of our current D line in my opinion. Instead of being able to double 2 of them they'll have to worry about Lavarr and Washington coming from either side or both.

I believe we will take taylor at #5, but what I do think will also happen is we will trade next year's #1 for more pick's this year or we could deal most of next year's draft to move into the first and second rd this year, If we can fill all our need's this year we won't need pick's next year, no sense in waiting next year for what we can obtain this year, In fact the faster we get the player's we need the better, reason? we will have more time with our team intact before we have to start manuvering for cap ramafication's, the talent that we need is avail. this year, who know's if that kind of talent will be avail. next year? I say dump what we have to dump and grab extra pick's this year, how does this sound, taylor #1, then udeze, wilfork or starks, and a TE, it's possible if we deal some future pick's, and it won't be like the G. allen day's because we would be getting younger, we would be just fine without pick's next year, and if we really find we have a need we can still use free agency next year, I think this is the way to go right now, we are in a win now mode, I say this draft is a draft to really stock up on with player's.

Snyder needs to ass kiss the NFL board to raise the cap another 10 mil next year

This the best I've seen the Skins rebuilt in years :D

We are going to be very competitive this year!

I have changed my mind about trading down. I think drafting S Sean Taylor gives us the most value and makes the most sense. He will be an instant starter and a All Star for years to come at a very important position.
I don't see any DE in the draft (including Udeze or Will Smith) that will start over Renaldo Wynn, Regan Upshaw or Phillip Daniels this coming year. Why blow a top #5 pick on a situational, part time pass rusher?
The defensive Tackles are even worse this year then the DE's. I don't see one DT that can come in and be a difference maker and displace any of our current starters.
Why draft a player that will sit on the bench most of the time and collect a big paycheck.
S Sean Taylor is currently better then both of our safety's (Ohalete and Bowen). He will be an immediate upgrade and full time contributer. Plus moving Ohalete or Bowen to full time special teams duty will greatly improve the special teams.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I have changed my mind about trading down. I think drafting S Sean Taylor gives us the most value and makes the most sense. He will be an instant starter and a All Star for years to come at a very important position.
I don't see any DE in the draft (including Udeze or Will Smith) that will start over Renaldo Wynn, Regan Upshaw or Phillip Daniels this coming year. Why blow a top #5 pick on a situational, part time pass rusher?
The defensive Tackles are even worse this year then the DE's. I don't see one DT that can come in and be a difference maker and displace any of our current starters.
Why draft a player that will sit on the bench most of the time and collect a big paycheck.
S Sean Taylor is currently better then both of our safety's (Ohalete and Bowen). He will be an immediate upgrade and full time contributer. Plus moving Ohalete or Bowen to full time special teams duty will greatly improve the special teams.[/QUOTE]

I agree on taylor with you DW but I have to say there is prob. 1/2 a dozen tackles [ at least ] in this draft better than what we have, there is some serious talent coming out this year in all positions that's why we have to strike while the iron is hot, taylor should be our first pick hopefully.

Alot depends on how the upcoming minicamp goes.

If Gibbs and the staff isn't content with Bowen and Ohalete, then Taylor could be a possibility.

But then again, if they think the d-line could use more work then trading down makes sense.

[QUOTE=offiss]I agree on taylor with you DW but I have to say there is prob. 1/2 a dozen tackles [ at least ] in this draft better than what we have, there is some serious talent coming out this year in all positions that's why we have to strike while the iron is hot, taylor should be our first pick hopefully.[/QUOTE]

NY Jet DT Dewayne Robertson was a to 5 pick last year. There were several team trying to move up last year to get him. Robertson is rated better than any DT that is coming out this year. Despite that, Robertson had a major learning curve and took most of the season to become an adequate DT.
The highest rated DT this year (Tommie Harris) is not expected to get drafted until mid to late 1st round. Teams are always looking for DT's, so if there was a good one in this draft, you can bet he would be rated a top ten pick. But there is no can't miss DT this year.

The Sporting News now predicts the Redskins to take Mike Williams! Crazy, huh? They just said that if he drops to five we'll take him and build the team around Williams, Coles, and Portis. Now that would really be something but it seems highly unlikely. We just need more on the defensive side of the ball. However, I think that if we don't trade our pick, we will definately take one of the stud recievers over Winslow. The Gibbs offense needs a TE but not a great tight end. However, while the RBs and QBs changed over the years we always had a good corps of recievers (Monk, Clark, ...). To me, Winslow doesn't make sense. I say we take Taylor or trade down.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Alot depends on how the upcoming minicamp goes.

If Gibbs and the staff isn't content with Bowen and Ohalete, then Taylor could be a possibility.

But then again, if they think the d-line could use more work then trading down makes sense.[/QUOTE]

Matty, I think you hit the nail on the head about mini-camp. This year's team could be about 95% complete by mini-camp at the end of the month, so that:
A. The players can begin to learn the systems and start developing chemistry with each other.
B. The coaches can determine the biggest weakness(es) to continue to address through FA and/or through the draft.

I read somewhere that we may quietly still go after Sapp. If this is the case I could see us maybe droping a bomb in the draft by taking Mike William WR of USC with the 5th, then sending Gardner to the chiefs for their first and maybe fourth rounds. Then trading down futher to new england to get some picks and take the best overall center. it would be different but maybe it would happen.

True that Sapp is overhyped, but he ain't that bad either.... for the right price AND if he has his heart into it - I think he'd be a TREMENDOUS addition. Can he get along w/ LaVar though?? They were about in fist-to-cuffs this past season....

i do'nt care how good sapp is,he's a problem we do'nt need.why replace an all about me player with another all about me player?i hope the redskins learned their lesson with flash big name players when they signed pasttime sanders.warren sapp we do not need.
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[QUOTE=Defensewins]NY Jet DT Dewayne Robertson was a to 5 pick last year. There were several team trying to move up last year to get him. Robertson is rated better than any DT that is coming out this year. Despite that, Robertson had a major learning curve and took most of the season to become an adequate DT.
The highest rated DT this year (Tommie Harris) is not expected to get drafted until mid to late 1st round. Teams are always looking for DT's, so if there was a good one in this draft, you can bet he would be rated a top ten pick. But there is no can't miss DT this year.[/QUOTE]

personally I said it last year, I thought that wilfork was better than robertson last year, he was the guy I wanted unfortunatly he stayed in school after his parent's were killed in a car accident, but I think he will be a much better pro than robertson, when it's all said and done there will be some other tackles having better careers than robertson, that were drafted last year incl. the kid from oklahoma who went to minnesota kevin williams. I am not big on harris, wilfork or stark's are the 2 I think will be big time.

[B]gentlemen and ladies,i think that winslow is a redskin unless they trade down for more picks.i just have a gut feeling if he's there gibbs will take him because he's too good to pass up.[/B]
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