Hate to say it but Coaching lost this game
 

Bad, bad, bad clock management. First two games we don't challenge anything now we're whipping them out like they are free.

nah, it was a slow offensive start and bad calls by the refs.

Coaching has been weak, but the latter half, minus the challenge, was a good job.

Yes it definitely was poor coaching! Joe looked like a deer in the headlights... Why would he challenge the call and risk his last T/O?

that last challenge was utterly pointless.

What about the poor series of calls in the redzone? Somebody tell coach Gibbs that John Riggins isn't in the back field.

what about the guy ex ref in the booth for gibbs....he shouldn't have told gibbs to challenge that last touchdown...he should be fired....

Challenges and the clock, we have control of, the refs are part of the game and there is nothing we can do about it

this one is on the refs

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]this one is on the refs[/QUOTE]
I agree about 90-95% with that cuz the refs really pulled a choke job tonight, but that was a really badly called goalline series from gibbs and company.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]I agree about 90-95% with that cuz the refs really pulled a choke job tonight, but that was a really badly called goalline series from gibbs and company.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but the refs took points off our board tonight and put them on the cowboys, can't get much worse than that if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]this one is on the refs[/QUOTE]

I'm not ready to put it all on the refs just yet. The defense gave up several big 3rd down plays which continued Dallas's drive.

take that first TD off the board and it's a Skins 'W', pretty simple

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]take that first TD off the board and it's a Skins 'W', pretty simple[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that's a big if. We had enough time to put points on the board. It was poor time management that lost this game.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree, but the refs took points off our board tonight and put them on the cowboys, can't get much worse than that if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

we're in full agreement on that and whats makes it worse is that the refs f-ed it up twice on that drive with what was a fumble and the bs pass interference. but as frustrating as all this is, especially with it resulting in a loss to dallas, this team made huge improvements from the last 2 weeks. The offense preformed really well( r. brown excluded ) against one of the better defenses in the league. hopefully in the next week or 2 we'll see more sweeps and playactions(which I don't remember seeing many of yet this year) as well as a couple players getting healthy and rejoining the defense.

and just wondering, but why does the league even bother apologizing for mistakes made by officiating crews? cuz the only useful purpose I can think of for them is to use the paper its typed on as toilet paper or as Jim Mora would say they mean "diddily poo."

Matty:

The officiating tonight was terrible. But it was terrible both ways.

In the first half Skins' scoring drive, they missed the incomplete pass to Portis AND on the same play they missed that he was down by contact. That was a third down play in Skins territory that would have caused a punt if they got it right.

Gardner's final catch of the game was offensive pass interference. Not called.

The "false start" on Flozell Adams in the final Cowboys possession was not a false start.

The officials did not cover themselves in glory tonight but five sacks had as much to do with the loss tonight as anything else.

Also, after Bowen got burned for a TD by the Giants, we had a whole bunch of folks here calling for his benching so we could see Sean Taylor and all that he would do. Well, you saw Taylor tonight and he was just as late as Bowen was on the TD pass to Terry Glenn. I'm waiting to hear how he should be benched immediately...

When you have the ball first and goal at the one yard line and you don't gain an inch, I'd say there was some kind of problem there that had not a whole lot to do with the officials. Made a TD from the one yard line instead of a field goal and you have a very different dynamic in the 4th quarter.

bah it doesn't make up for the god-awful call on Harris. That call was total and utter garbage.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Matty:

In the first half Skins' scoring drive, they missed the incomplete pass to Portis AND on the same play they missed that he was down by contact. That was a third down play in Skins territory that would have caused a punt if they got it right.

[/QUOTE]
I hate to disappoint you on this..but IT was a CATCH! and if you remember correctly, they had already completed one 4th down conversion on that drive and I am pretty sure they would have done it again. It would have been 4th and 1 or 2 where he was downed at. Yes, the refs missed that call, but it was still conceiveable that they would have gone for it on 4th down (not punted), got the first down and still scored. So that call didn't really affect anything except a bunch of maybe's. And as far as the Offensive PI on the last play of the game, what did that affect? Calling that made no difference in the outcome of the game, all it did was pad the stats a little.

Yeah thats a difference of 2 yards on their " bad call " that hurt dallas to 57 yards yards on their FIRST bad call that killed us.

well i did'nt see poor coaching,i never have from a joe gibbs coached team.i thought it took the skins o awhile to get started and it is tough to beat anybody when you have 11 guys on the field and they have 11 + the refs on the field.ray charles,stevie wonder,ronnie milsap,and any other blind man could have called that game better than those"jackass zebras"did last night.that was the worst officiating i have ever seen at any game at any level.the ref staff assured themselves that they will not work at the superbowl this year unless they park cars or clean up the bathrooms.

i'l tell you something else that really pissed me off.did you guys see LA up in the press box dancing around during the game?i thought that was bullshit.when is barrow going to play?what was the purpose of signing him anyway?moral support.

I noticed Gregg Williams appear to disagree with Joe on the sideline AT LEAST three times and each time he walked away shaking his head and looking pissed off.

Did anyone else see that?

I wouldn't say poor coaching, but poor time management and goal-line play calling.[INDENT]The question on bad time management is was it Gibbs (getting the play in late/wrong personnel) or Brunnel taking too long in the huddle? Either way, they really need to work on it.

The 1st and goal from the 1 yard line: Not necessarily the plays called (punching it in), but the bunched up formation. Kinda like Madden was saying, if they had spread it out some, it would have spread out the defense and given them more of a chance for a real push.[/INDENT]
As for the refs, yeah they blew quite a few calls, the biggest being the bad call on Harris in the end zone and the non-call when Gardner was pulled down in the end zone. But, right or wrong, the "human factor" is a big (and important) part of football, so I'm very hesitant to blame the loss on the refs. That was a very good heads-up play for Brunnel hurrying up to the next play when he knew Portis should have be called down short of the 1st down....

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]i'l tell you something else that really pissed me off.did you guys see LA up in the press box dancing around during the game?i thought that was bullshit.when is barrow going to play?what was the purpose of signing him anyway?moral support.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see LA "dancing around", but he seemed to be having to much of a good time when his team was down....smiling/laughing too much....
Barrow was signed because he had a history of NOT being injured....only missing like 5 games in 10 years or something like that.....so this is a new experience for him. Chalk it up to bad luck....

The missed call on Portis "catch" and " run after the catch" gave the Skins a first down in their own half of the field. Absent those TWO mistakes by the officials, there would have been a punt. The fourth down attempt by the Skins came later.

Complaining about officials and looking at stat sheets for some kind of solace is what LOSERS do. So stop doing it. The Skins played their toughest opponent thusfar and played them tough and close. That is a good sign, not a bad one.

The only unit on the team that really needs to get a kick in the ass from the coaching staff today is the OL. Five sacks is just too much to allow and when you have first and goal at the one, you are supposed to get a TD. The OL is the only unit that underperformed last night.

[QUOTE=dieselhog]I noticed Gregg Williams appear to disagree with Joe on the sideline AT LEAST three times and each time he walked away shaking his head and looking pissed off.

Did anyone else see that?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I saw it. Gregg Williams was right. No point in calling a timeout at the goal when the bootleg play was clearly the solution. Williams's emotions were felt and understood.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]The missed call on Portis "catch" and " run after the catch" gave the Skins a first down in their own half of the field. Absent those TWO mistakes by the officials, there would have been a punt. The fourth down attempt by the Skins came later.

Complaining about officials and looking at stat sheets for some kind of solace is what LOSERS do. So stop doing it. The Skins played their toughest opponent thusfar and played them tough and close. That is a good sign, not a bad one.

The only unit on the team that really needs to get a kick in the ass from the coaching staff today is the OL. Five sacks is just too much to allow and when you have first and goal at the one, you are supposed to get a TD. The OL is the only unit that underperformed last night.[/QUOTE]

The defense did let the team down on the last possesion because Dallas should not have gotten the first down to keep the drive going. The mistake that Smoot made cost us. And the defense fell apart on that series because Testeverde threw two consecutive passes to score. No pressure at all on Testeverde. The defense is also responsible for two big F ups.

I guess I'm a loser then, the refs gift wrapped 7 points to the Cowboys, I don't know how anyone can deny that.

Yeah it's part of the game, it just leaves you feeling a bit cheated.

As for LaVar up in the box, who cares? Just because he was caught laughing or joking around doesn't mean he doesn't care. That's just ridiculous. Who knows what context his laughter was in.

It's really silly to point to him in the box and question his team loyalty. Jansen has also been sitting up in the box, should we question him too? We better not see him crack a smile up there, god forbid!

Yeah that's stupid to question Lavar's loyalty to this team. He is our franchise player and probably couldn't take it being on the field and not being able to play.

you kidding? LaVar is the keeper of the lockerroom and always takes note and loathes when players laugh after a loss. he was probably smiling cuz it was his first time up there and he just saw his team's offense make a FIRST DOWN.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I guess I'm a loser then, the refs gift wrapped 7 points to the Cowboys, I don't know how anyone can deny that.

Yeah it's part of the game, it just leaves you feeling a bit cheated.[QUOTE]

While I agree, I think it was 3 points, not 7. They were able to stop us from the one yard line, so we had just as much of an opportunity to stop them, but we didn't. If we would have, that could have been quite a momentum changer, even after the horrible call....

But enough with the woulda, coulda, shoulda....it was a tough loss, but I believe the Skins will bounce back against a struggling Cleveland team, and by Dec. 26th, they will look like a different team out there....we're starting to see flashes of it now....

We are definitely starting to see flashes of what is to come. I mentioned on another post that Gibbs has to believe in these players as much as he wants them to believe in him. My point being, Cooley and Thrash can make the big plays but should be allowed to play a bigger role on first down as oppose to 3rd and 17.

I'm looking at this year as a rebuilding year. That way I won't get physically sick after every loss. I'm thinking by the middle of the season the offense will really start hitting on all cylinders and Gibbs will have enough games under his belt to begin to feel comfortable behind the clip board.

[QUOTE=rickmmrr]I'm looking at this year as a rebuilding year. That way I won't get physically sick after every loss. I'm thinking by the middle of the season the offense will really start hitting on all cylinders and Gibbs will have enough games under his belt to begin to feel comfortable behind the clip board.[/QUOTE]
NOOO!!! Not the "R" word!!! ;) It seems that "rebuilding" is a four letter word these days in the NFL...

Seriously, I see it more as a "retooling"... All the pieces are in place, it's just a matter of time before they all start working together like they should...

no way is this a rebuilding year.

like SkinsRock said, we have all the pieces. nothing needs REbuilding, just building. i can't even say too bad about our DLine, which could definitely use another piece, but has been holding its own so far.

we have a nice young team and anywhere we have an older guy near the end of his career, we have good young bucks being groomed to take their spot. Pierce and Ramsey are the best examples. its all about tweaking now.

I think the play calling was subpar too. No one is mentioning the 3rd quarter drive where we score on a 14 play , 62 yd drive. We force the cowpukes to 3 and out and on our next series after the great drive we throw it 3 times in a row ????!!!!! Also where are the pitch outs and sweeps to Portis? We ran a couple in preseason and they worked pretty well. We established our run game on the pukes yet went away from it briefly (?) when we were only down 7?

I heard the redskins hired people to tell Gibbs when to challenge. Is this true?

yeah, gibbs is the only coach in the nfl with a former zebra on staff to help determine challenges...

[quote]Complaining about officials and looking at stat sheets for some kind of solace is what LOSERS do. So stop doing it.[/quote]

umm, hate to tell you, but WE LOST ;).

anyone else thinking our #1 pick next year may be O line instead of DE?

What position do you think we'd take at Oline. The only one thats a major concern is left tackle, and Jansen will be back.

some guys with more run blocking skills... i'm not sold on having a good center yet, LT this year, and i'm not completely sold on dockery, though he has gotten a lot better from last year.

I don't know, maybe its more of a gelling issue than a talent one, I just wish they were farther along at this point.