Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

A lot of people will say Collins & Colt to be the 2nd & 3rd QB's on the depth chart. But some should remember that Chase was a Heisman candidate also and not a bad QB at all. I think we were lucky to have him fall in our lap. All rookies don't pan out of course. But would you take your chance with Collins (back up QB) over Chase (3rd QB) because he is a veteran or go for the upside.

That being said please add this to the equation. Collins was the product of a system in which he was in for over 10 years. He did lead us to a win streak a couple of years ago but stunk it up in the playoff game vs Seattle. This current system is not that system. May be why he looked so horrible last preseason. So what are your thoughts. I think Colt has gained enough experience (in this system) to be our starting QB after he sits on more season and Chase could also be a vaulable project after one year on the sidelines..

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

It would be nice to have two very young backup QB's. But, given that the #2 is just one play away from being the starter (a la Tom Brady/Matt Cassel), I don't see Zorn allowing anyone but Collins to be that #2. Collins may have been a Saunders-system product, but he still understands what it takes to win in the NFL better than Colt or Chase.

I would be happy to see Colt take over at backup and Chase be #3 but I wouldn't hold my breath just yet.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Lotus;565887]It would be nice to have two very young backup QB's. But, given that the #2 is just one play away from being the starter (a la Tom Brady/Matt Cassel), I don't see Zorn allowing anyone but Collins to be that #2. Collins may have been a Saunders-system product, but he still understands what it takes to win in the NFL better than Colt or Chase.

[B]I would be happy to see Colt take over at backup and Chase be #3 but I wouldn't hold my breath just yet[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. Not much experience there.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

I'd love to see Colt at #2 (I'm on the Colt bus, but what female isn't?) but it's probably going to be Collins. He's proven to be a solid second stringer. I think Colt could use a little more fine tuning before letting him take over #2 and Collins isn't going to be in the league much longer anyway (I'm assuming. He is up there in age)

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Ideally, I'd love to show Collins the door and let our 3 young QBs take over the position. However, with Campbell seemingly in question, that could set us up for a very scary 2010 season.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Seems a lot of you are pretty eager to move forward with Chase on the roster, someone who was not even considered to have an NFL skill set coming out of college. Collins has proven himself capable of coming off the bench to win big games in December, which is really all you can ask of backup QB. He should be number 2 as long as the team is in playoff contention.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

djnemo, I simply don't think Collins is very good. He had a lot of experience in Saunders system, and I feel like he was the only person in DC that fully grasped it, thus he was able to perform well. I'm just not sure how big of an asset Collins is to our team.

However, I don't feel comfortable possibly going into 2010 with Colt, Chase, and some rookie QB.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

If we started with Colt,Chase and a new QB next season
I think we wouldnt be any worse off than we are now. I mean its not like JC is throwing for 300 yds a game and carrying the team on his back. now if CP goes down then id say we are in trouble. But i think next draft we get CP an heir to replace him in the future. We also need to beef up the Oline.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;565920]If we started with Colt,Chase and a new QB next season
I think we wouldnt be any worse off than we are now. I mean its not like JC is throwing for 300 yds a game and carrying the team on his back. now if CP goes down then id say we are in trouble. But i think next draft we get CP an heir to replace him in the future. We also need to beef up the Oline.[/quote]

JC gets better every year and is young enough to have many years ahead of him. What this means is that if we let him go, there's a good chance that he goes somewhere else, does well, and perhaps beats us.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Colt and Daniel are both too raw for the backup role. I want someone with more experience in there.

Collins is not talented and I question how well he's assimilating to Zorn's offense (largely because of a lack of info from the media on the subject). But he's smart, and the team respects him. He'll take care of the ball.

Being young guys who are learning, Colt and Chase are likely to be turnover-prone, which would kill us. I'd rather have the vet; while he won't do much to win a game for us, he won't do much to lose it either.

Given that Daniel can be stashed on the practice squad this year, I don't see why we'd go any other route. Next year there's more of a decision to make.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Well if we let JC go then that means he didnt get it done. Some say he isnt a good fit for the WCO. that he is more of a deep passer than a short timing kind of QB but if he does leave i wish him the best as long as he goes to the AFC :)
Colt probably would have some turnovers but thats what comes with guys who take chances. high risk high reward. so you have to take the good with the bad but i would hope there are more good plays than bad ones.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

This is interesting, but why do both our back-up rookie QB's have personal websites, and our starting NFL quarterback JC has nothing..

[URL="http://www.chasedaniel.org/"]Chase Daniel.org[/URL]
[URL="http://coltbrennan5.com/"]Colt Brennan website[/URL]


I'd stick with Collins for now. Chase has no experience and Colt doesn't have much more. However, I have this gut feeling we'd be fine with Colt or Chase if they needed to start. Of course, that's just like my "gut feeling" two years ago that the real estate market would be fine when I bought my condo .. Sigh..

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Im not sure about Collins, his age is a factor and this isnt the offense he knew most of his career which gave him the 2 spot when Al Saunders was here. Should JC go down or get benched id feel confident that Colt could put us in position to win games.

I cant wait for the preseason games to start so we can see our rookie class on the field.plus i want to see Thomas,Kelly and Davis. I hear they were very good in the OTA's

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=ethat001;565941]This is interesting, but why do both our back-up rookie QB's have personal websites, and our starting NFL quarterback JC has nothing..

[URL="http://www.chasedaniel.org/"]Chase Daniel.org[/URL]
[URL="http://coltbrennan5.com/"]Colt Brennan website[/URL]


I'd stick with Collins for now. Chase has no experience and Colt doesn't have much more. However, I have this gut feeling we'd be fine with Colt or Chase if they needed to start. Of course, that's just like my "gut feeling" two years ago that the real estate market would be fine when I bought my condo .. Sigh..[/quote]

Just an FYI, that's a fan site of Chase Daniel. Not an official site

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=SmootSmack;565946]Just an FYI, that's a fan site of Chase Daniel. Not an official site[/quote]Can we at least open training camp before we decide?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;565964]Can we at least open training camp before we decide?[/quote]

No way. Why make a decision following performances during live action in pads when we can just blindly anoint someone?

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Lotus;565965]No way. Why make a decision following performances during live action in pads when we can just blindly anoint someone?[/quote]You're right, what was I thinking. I vote we go with the back-up QB with the coolest name, Colt? Chase? Definitely not Todd. Or maybe whoever has the coolest visor and leg tights (in the middle of summer).

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;565884]A lot of people will say Collins & Colt to be the 2nd & 3rd QB's on the depth chart. But some should remember that Chase was a Heisman candidate also and not a bad QB at all. I think we were lucky to have him fall in our lap. All rookies don't pan out of course. But would you take your chance with Collins (back up QB) over Chase (3rd QB) because he is a veteran or go for the upside.

That being said please add this to the equation. Collins was the product of a system in which he was in for over 10 years. He did lead us to a win streak a couple of years ago but stunk it up in the playoff game vs Seattle. This current system is not that system. May be why he looked so horrible last preseason. So what are your thoughts. I think Colt has gained enough experience (in this system) to be our starting QB after he sits on more season and Chase could also be a vaulable project after one year on the sidelines..[/quote]

I wouldn't say he stunk it up in the playoffs. Cooley botched that pass on the sideline that would have given the Skins first and goal. Instead, they missed the FG and came away with zilch.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;565970]You're right, what was I thinking. I vote we go with the back-up QB with the coolest name, Colt? Chase? Definitely not Todd. [B]Or maybe whoever has the coolest visor and leg tights[/B] (in the middle of summer).[/quote]

??? Come on Sammy. Olivia Newton-John's waaaayyyy too old to play QB for us!

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;565964]Can we at least open training camp before we decide?[/quote]

Before we decide that's a fan site?

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;565970]You're right, what was I thinking. I vote we go with the back-up QB with the coolest name, Colt? Chase? Definitely not Todd. Or maybe whoever has the coolest visor and leg tights (in the middle of summer).[/quote]

I think the standard should be who has said "aloha" the most. This criterion, of course, is the defining standard for qb excellence. Colt wins.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Let me try to be objective here...

[B]IF[/B] any of these three QBs have to take over the starting job anytime before 15 October for the rest of the year, that will [B]NOT[/B] be a good omen for the Washington Redskins in 2009.

I am not convinced that Collins can make it happen for a long stretch of games.

I doubt that Colt is ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

I know Chase is not ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

The thing to root for is that Jason Campbell continues on his improvement curve for the entirety of 2009...

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;565986]Let me try to be objective here...

[B]IF[/B] any of these three QBs have to take over the starting job anytime before 15 October for the rest of the year, that will [B]NOT[/B] be a good omen for the Washington Redskins in 2009.

I am not convinced that Collins can make it happen for a long stretch of games.

I doubt that Colt is ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

I know Chase is not ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

The thing to root for is that Jason Campbell continues on his improvement curve for the entirety of 2009...[/quote]

Amen.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=53Fan;565974]??? Come on Sammy. Olivia Newton-John's waaaayyyy too old to play QB for us![/quote]I don't know, it's a close call. If you favor the visor portion, Colt's in. The leg tights, probably ONJ.

[IMG]http://wai.redskins.com/redskinsFile/photo/images/42499.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.onlyolivia.com/pix/80s/81_physical_98.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;565938]Well if we let JC go then that means he didnt get it done. Some say he isnt a good fit for the WCO. that he is more of a deep passer than a short timing kind of QB but if he does leave i wish him the best as long as he goes to the AFC :)
Colt probably would have some turnovers but thats what comes with guys who take chances. high risk high reward. so you have to take the good with the bad but i would hope there are more good plays than bad ones.[/quote]

How do you know Colt will give the skins more wins??? Just because he was airing out in preseason, doesn't mean he will be able to do that during regular season games. He was able to play like that because those game didn't matter. He didn't have any real pressure to wins those games. His whole style may change once he actually is pressured to win games. I like Colt, but lets be real the passess he threw in preseason could have easily been pick off. If Colt was so great why were they looking to draft Sanchez and trade for Cutler?? Why not just make JC the number #2 and start Colt?? Apparently the FO don't trust any of the QBs on the skins.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

I cant say Colt will win more games than JC. Im just sayin id rather see a QB who gets the ball out and pushes the ball downfield than mr hold the ball and checkdown. it will keep the defense honest and help CP in the running game. IMO JC is gone next yr either way. if he plays great do you honestly think he will stay after what the FO did to him? so we may as well see what we have so we know if we need to draft a QB or go after one in FA next yr.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

I go with Colt #2 Chase #3.The only reason is Collins has been a back up his whole career and in his prime he was a third stringer behind W. Moon and R. Gannon.Moon was loosing steps and his ability during said time and for Gannon, I never thought he was very good he got lucky in Oakland w/ Jon Gruden,we cut him (Gannon) in 1993 after one season which he started 3 games.

As for me I hope Colt or Chase has some T. Brady in them no expierence but just natural ability to play the game and win.Im steal pulling 4 a JC ass kicking year.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566057]I cant say Colt will win more games than JC. Im just sayin id rather see a QB who gets the ball out and pushes the ball downfield than mr hold the ball and checkdown. it will keep the defense honest and help CP in the running game. IMO JC is gone next yr either way. if he plays great do you honestly think he will stay after what the FO did to him? [B]so we may as well see what we have so we know if we need to draft a QB or go after one in FA next yr[/B].[/quote]

So you've pretty much given up on this season, huh?:pffff:

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

Isnt collins hurting the salary cap

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Im sayin if JC struggles we may as well see what we have. if we let him have another season like last and then he leaves in FA we are starting a new QB next yr either way. So do you want to throw in a rookie or a guy thats been on the bench for 2 yrs? neither with real playing experience.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

God the offseason is horrible. TC will be our 2nd string. CB will be a 2A option.

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Unless Colt has an outstanding preseason and wins the complete confidence of Zorn, I can't see us taking the risk of having 2 very inexperienced QB's behind JC. Just wouldn't be a smart move.

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ideally id like to see JC take every snap this season with colt and chase as the no. 2 and 3.

if colt plays real well in the preseason (or if TC looks horrible) i could see us cutting collins at the very end keeping colt and chase. i'd feel alot better about it if collins (given the late timing he was cut, teams dont like signing a new qb after preseason) goes unsigned so that if JC does go down for an extended period of time collins could be re-signed.

go skins!!

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;565884]A lot of people will say Collins & Colt to be the 2nd & 3rd QB's on the depth chart. But some should remember that Chase was a Heisman candidate also and not a bad QB at all. I think we were lucky to have him fall in our lap. All rookies don't pan out of course. But would you take your chance with Collins (back up QB) over Chase (3rd QB) because he is a veteran or go for the upside.

That being said please add this to the equation. Collins was the product of a system in which he was in for over 10 years. He did lead us to a win streak a couple of years ago but stunk it up in the playoff game vs Seattle. This current system is not that system. May be why he looked so horrible last preseason. So what are your thoughts. I think Colt has gained enough experience (in this system) to be our starting QB after he sits on more season and Chase could also be a vaulable project after one year on the sidelines..[/quote]

Chase was better in '07 than in '08 IMHO. Not sure what to think about who should go. I mean you have 2 Heisman candidate QBs and a proven vet. Collins is the experienced vet that did get us into the playoffs, so he has proven he can get the job done, but he is old. Brennan thus far is a tease and McDaniels is the wildcard since we haven't seen him operate in a Skins uniform. To be honest I would put Chase over Colt. Why? Just for the fact that Chase really earned his Heisman candidacy in the Big 12 playing the likes of OK, Texas, TT, OK St, and Nebraska every season, while Colt got it easy at Hawaii. Don't get me wrong, Colt is exciting, but would he even have been drafted say if he played with the big boys in college? Big 12 football is probably the closest thing to the NFL in Div 1-A, so Chase is used to big games, pressure, etc. The only time Colt had any kind of real pressure on him in college was the Sugar Bowl vs LSU and he got slaughtered.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=Mattyk72;566078]Unless Colt has an outstanding preseason and wins the complete confidence of Zorn, I can't see us taking the risk of having 2 very inexperienced QB's behind JC. Just wouldn't be a smart move.[/quote]


I agree wholeheartedly. Collins is a cool customer, the two youngsters would break under intense pressure. Would love to see Chase get a honest shot though at making the roster. His Big 12 experience should help his resume.

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If the Redskins cut TC after preseason then we are putting all our eggs in a basket and riding JC all the way. If JC doesnt play well this season he may not be offered a contract at the end of the season. This means the Redskins will still be hoping that Colt or Chase can step up or draft a QB in the 2010 draft. We as Redskins fans should all be rooting for JC to really improve and show the FO he is a QB that can lead this team to the playoffs. If JC does paly well then the Skins still have 2 young QB with cheap contracts that may turn out to be solid backups. If Colt shows he can handle the backup duties we should keep him and let TC go due to his age and contract.

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

1. JC
2. CB
3. CD

Out = TC

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=skins89moss;566385]If the Redskins cut TC after preseason then we are putting all our eggs in a basket and riding JC all the way. If JC doesnt play well this season he may not be offered a contract at the end of the season. This means the Redskins will still be hoping that Colt or Chase can step up or draft a QB in the 2010 draft. We as Redskins fans should all be rooting for JC to really improve and show the FO he is a QB that can lead this team to the playoffs. If JC does paly well then the Skins still have 2 young QB with cheap contracts that may turn out to be solid backups. If Colt shows he can handle the backup duties we should keep him and [B]let TC go due to his age and contract.[/quote][/B]


I think thats what it will come down to, unless TC has a monster camp and clearly outshines Colt in the preseason he may be gone. If its a close comp they will go with the younger,cheaper deal IMO

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;566326]I agree wholeheartedly. Collins is a cool customer, the two youngsters would break under intense pressure. Would love to see Chase get a honest shot though at making the roster. His Big 12 experience should help his resume.[/quote]

He cracked under pressure against Seattle in the playoffs!!. I think his value as a back up was best served in the Saunder offensive system because he was most comfortable in that offense..

Re: Which 2? Collins.Colt.Chase..
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;565986]Let me try to be objective here...

[B]IF[/B] any of these three QBs have to take over the starting job anytime before 15 October for the rest of the year, that will [B]NOT[/B] be a good omen for the Washington Redskins in 2009.

I am not convinced that Collins can make it happen for a long stretch of games.

I doubt that Colt is ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

I know Chase is not ready to be a starter in the NFC East.

The thing to root for is that Jason Campbell continues on his improvement curve for the entirety of 2009...[/quote]

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