Least valuable player award
 

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Is Ade Jimoh considered "other"?

Recommendation for Coles
 

I know Coles has a hurt toe, but he may want to try to catch with his feet next weekend. It does not seem like his hands work anymore...

I have to give this prestigious award to the refs. Even the commentators agreed that they blew two HUGE pass interference plays.

No one is above criticism. While the referees did a dishonorable job at best, it was the coaching staff that lost this game. The offense was one dimensional in that Portis was the focus of our running game. Gibbs did not even play Betts at runningback. He also never called one screen pass in the first half of the game. When he did call them he was successful at moving ball. When I defense did their job in the first half of the game, we came up short because of dropped balls and poor play calling. Cooley, Rasby, Morton and Betts should have been used on every other play because Portis was not successful at breaking the tackles. Settling for a field goal instead of a TD was embarrassing. Anyone could see Dallas was biting on the Portis run so why didn't Gibbs call the bootleg? The timeout at the goal was uneccessary and it cost us a TD. Lastly, we do not need an ex-referee to advise this team because he must hate the Redskins with the track record he has.
Overall, the team finished better than it started. I see the offense winning the next couple of games soley on its ability to control the ball. We lead Dallas on almost every stat accept the score.

Gotta be the refs. The first touchdown was bullshit. Glenn literally threw W.Harris to the ground. Gardner was CLEARLY interfered in the endzone by Williams. If you take those two plays, that's 1 less td for Dallass and either a td or field goal for the skins.


I hate to use the refs as an excuse, but those two calls were clearly the refs mistakes. At least our guys fought hard until the end. No one ever gave up, and I don't care what Wilbon wrote on his column today, but Brunell is getting more comfortable with the offense and he did make some great plays towards the end.

Next week: Cleveland. Time to put this game behind us, and go win a road game. We need this win badly!

you know who HAS TO GO??????

OUR 'REF'. the 'specialist' Gibbs hired in the booth to oversee challenges!!! he's done nothing but drop the ball on challenges this whole season and its always been the difference in our games!!!!!

OL gave up 5 sacks.

OL could not get enough push to score on first and goal from the one yard line.

Hmmm... Least valuable? Let me see...

Some of the sacks/pressure was also due to the cowboys coverage and Brunell's indecisiveness.

The blown calls and poor clock management were much bigger issues in my mind.

[QUOTE=JoeGibbs2004]Is Ade Jimoh considered "other"?[/QUOTE]
sure but how did he blow the game?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]sure but how did he blow the game?[/QUOTE]
He had a push in the back on a kickoff, or punt, but that was all that I saw of him last night. He surely did not blow the game.

I am so angry right now that I want to kill someone. I don't usually complain about officiating but I think the refs handed Dallas that game last night. That pass interference call was disgraceful! You can not minimize the importance of the first TD in a game like that and those refs handed it to Dallas. They had the good fortune of playing with the lead all night long by virtue of a TD gift that they didn't earn. The first TD changes the whole complexion of the game. And to add insult to injury the refs choose not to call the obvious pass interference in the second half against Dallas in the end zone! There was also the muffed punt that for some reason they decided to change their mind on and give back to Dallas after first signaling Washington. They obviously disagreed on the call so why not leave it as a fumble recovered by Washington and then allow Dallas to challenge it? As it was the Redskins were not allowed to challenge their down by contact call. I am so f-ing furios!

In fairness they messed up the Portis play where he was down by contact and allowed to get up and run for a first down. I guess that proves that the refs didn't purposely screw the Skins they were just bad all around last night, and we happened to get the brunt of it.

[QUOTE=illdefined]you know who HAS TO GO??????

OUR 'REF'. the 'specialist' Gibbs hired in the booth to oversee challenges!!! he's done nothing but drop the ball on challenges this whole season and its always been the difference in our games!!!!![/QUOTE]

EXCELLENT POINT!! I agree. He has really hurt us. Is he on the take from Jerry Jones??? LOL

The punt fumble was a very strange call. The ball comes loose all the time in pileup situations after a player 'already has control'. Why they choose last night to enforce that is beyond me. 99 times out of 100 that's a fumble.

THe offensive line, or more specifically Chris Samuels and Ray Brown. Samuels for doubling down and letting Tony Dixon come free on a blitz, and Brown for letting Ellis get that late sack. Five sacks in a game, two by Ellis and two by Dixon are just too many to be giving up.

the officiating was crap. i think someone should investigate whether JJ paid off the officiating crew. we were hoed in our own house... washington dezerves justice

The Refs and Ryan Clark for me are pretty big ones. However, the most dissapointing for me was Coles. You just dont see that kinda game outta him.

Ryan Clark was AWFUL. WHY was he on the field?? wasnt he on the practice squad??he was like a statue in the first half, just WATCHING Cowboys go by. i know Williams wants everyone to play, but c'mon.

I don't agree that the OL really gave up all 5 of those sacks. Brunell held the ball way too long last night. I also specifically 2 occasions where he rolled into the pass rush.

The dude up in the booth who decided to challenge the Glenn TD knowing we only had one TO remaining. Gibbs and Breaux called the second TO before the 3rd and goal stance. Changes need to be made. The ex-ref has to go.

Sean Taylor made a lot of mistakes too.

The ref's screwed us, but you cannot use that as an excuse. I blame the coaching staff / brunnel for wasted TOs and poor clock managment.

Look.. its REALLY clear why we took the big L last night.... 2 HUGE reasons...

[B]1)[/B] 3rd down and 10, pass-interference on .... wait... who??? Walt Harris?? You mean the guy that was clearly looking BACK at the ball, making INCEDENTAL contact, while HE was getting mugged by the reciever??

[B]Personal Note[/B]: I TRULY believe it is a TRAVESTY that a coach cannot challenge an interference or NON-interference call for that matter. The rules are VERY clear... its not a "judgement" call... either the reciever was touched prior to the ball arriving or not, it's that simple. In fact, I think it very well would be the EASIEST challenge to detect on a replay.

[B]2)[/B] Redskins have the ball on the 1, 1st and goal... Redskins have the ball on the 1, 2nd and goal... Redskins have the ball on the 1, 3rd and goal... Redskins have the ball on the 1, 4th down and .... oh wait, the 'skins will take 3 points away from the 91-yard drive... WOW.

[B]Personal Note[/B]: I love how the Cowgirls had the ball on the 1 yard line for all of one play when Eddie George EASILY scored a TD, showing us how it is SUPPOSED to be done... just pitiful. I'm not a math major but, those 4 points ended up being KINDA important ... didn't they???


The Dallas Cowboys did NOT win last night's ball game.. they were given it...
Which kinda reminds me... The New York Giants did NOT ... oh nevermind...

I think we all can agree that last nights game was a travesty, a sham, and a mockery!

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The punt fumble was a very strange call. The ball comes loose all the time in pileup situations after a player 'already has control'. Why they choose last night to enforce that is beyond me. 99 times out of 100 that's a fumble.[/QUOTE]
I agree - in fact it was a BAD call (to go along with two HORRENDOUS calls). You made a valid point, but there is even more. The slo-mo replay makes it pretty clear he did not have the ball in his grasp (either hands or arms). He was just laying on it, trying to get control, when he was hit and it squirted out.

As usual, South America's Team brought South America's Refs with them.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]I agree - in fact it was a BAD call (to go along with two HORRENDOUS calls). You made a valid point, but there is even more. The slo-mo replay makes it pretty clear he did not have the ball in his grasp (either hands or arms). He was just laying on it, trying to get control, when he was hit and it squirted out.

As usual, South America's Team brought South America's Refs with them.[/QUOTE]

Hey Hogskin, please don't ever insult my continent again. The cowshits and south america should never be mentioned in the same breath.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]OL gave up 5 sacks.

OL could not get enough push to score on first and goal from the one yard line.

Hmmm... Least valuable? Let me see...[/QUOTE]
Lets not blame the whole O-line. Dixon delayed blitzed twiced and had a clear shot. Ray Brown got beat bad 3 times for the others. Pretty clear he will not be the starter for the Browns game. If so expect the roll out to be to the left.

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins][B]1)[/B] 3rd down and 10, pass-interference on .... wait... who??? Walt Harris?? You mean the guy that was clearly looking BACK at the ball, making INCEDENTAL contact, while HE was getting mugged by the reciever??

[B]Personal Note[/B]: I TRULY believe it is a TRAVESTY that a coach cannot challenge an interference or NON-interference call for that matter. The rules are VERY clear... its not a "judgement" call... either the reciever was touched prior to the ball arriving or not, it's that simple. In fact, I think it very well would be the EASIEST challenge to detect on a replay.
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I mentioned on another thread how the booth officials should be involved in the little conferences after the play, but before the penalty is officially called, especially for big, potentially game-changing calls like those. That way, they would at least have another opinion from a different point of view....even if they don't replay it.

I cannot believe 24 people actually blame the refs for this one. Blown pass interference calls are one thing, but a good team overcomes those things. The Skins had their chances with or without the refs, but couldn't get it done. Settling for the field goal just before half time, piss poor clock management, letting Ritchie Anderson get wide open for a 28 yard pass completion on 3rd and 5 late in the game, looking bewildered and lethargic on the TD pass to Whitten, ...

Take your pick guys. But come on, let's be a little more objective rather than blaming the refs, shall we?

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]The Refs and Ryan Clark for me are pretty big ones. However, the most dissapointing for me was Coles. You just dont see that kinda game outta him.[/QUOTE]

I take back the Coles thing, before anyone does it for me. I hope Ryan Clark was fired today.

Quote of the Night ( I was seriously laughing out loud when I read this and we were down 21-10, and I never have a sense of humor when were down )

Skinsncanes : " Why do we have a guy named Ryan Clark and why the f*ck is he in the game "

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I cannot believe 24 people actually blame the refs for this one. Blown pass interference calls are one thing, but a good team overcomes those things. The Skins had their chances with or without the refs, but couldn't get it done. Settling for the field goal just before half time, piss poor clock management, letting Ritchie Anderson get wide open for a 28 yard pass completion on 3rd and 5 late in the game, looking bewildered and lethargic on the TD pass to Whitten, ...

Take your pick guys. But come on, let's be a little more objective rather than blaming the refs, shall we?[/QUOTE]


No, I'm not gonna be any more objective than that. We shouldnt have to be. We shouldnt have to beat the Dallas Cowboys after they were spotted 14 points. We had a few bad things happen that were our faults, no doubt. Every team does , every single game. THis game was decided by the zebra's.
Pass interference over 20 yards should be a challengeable play. It will count against your challenges, but it just changes the game too much when calls like that happen.

i think we should get a big back for goaline situations. stacy mack would have been a great addition for us in short yardage and goaline. our o-line sucked last night, especially on the 1st and goal we had on the 1. but portis did go down without much of a fight and i think a bigger back would have created more of a push. lol, or make Salevea' todays fridge and pound him through the endzone.

I think Betts should be used more in the red zone

I think some intelligent play calling should be used in the redzone.

I agree with Smoot. Especially on the goalline. That or use Cooley or Sellers or someone big.

[quote=SUNRA]it was the coaching staff that lost this game. The offense was one dimensional in that Portis was the focus of our running game. Gibbs did not even play Betts at runningback. He also never called one screen pass in the first half of the game. When he did call them he was successful at moving ball. When I defense did their job in the first half of the game, we came up short because of dropped balls and poor play calling. Cooley, Rasby, Morton and Betts should have been used on every other play because Portis was not successful at breaking the tackles. Settling for a field goal instead of a TD was embarrassing. Anyone could see Dallas was biting on the Portis run so why didn't Gibbs call the bootleg? The timeout at the goal was uneccessary and it cost us a TD.[/quote]
uhh... portis has 23 carries for 94yrds + receiving yards, they didn't give it to anyone else, cause he got the job done... the goal line he got one try... i'd blame that on the O line before i'd call portis on it. the playcall had the D bunch right in the center too trying a gut run :(

if you think chad is useful for goal line... i'll... um... disagree. he's not a good runner or a good WR compared to who we have.

my LVP is ryan clark... he sucked, and taylor isn't good enough yet to cover both sides of the field, though it looks like will be sooner or later.

I think the offense just needs to execute better in the redzone. If you look at one of Portis' rushing attempts at the goal line, he was swamped and had no chance to make something happen. The line needs to do a better job in situations like that. They were getting beat at the point of attack.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think the offense just needs to execute better in the redzone. If you look at one of Portis' rushing attempts at the goal line, he was swamped and had no chance to make something happen. The line needs to do a better job in situations like that. They were getting beat at the point of attack.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If they were able to get just a little push, Brunell would have gotten it in on the sneak and this discussion wouldn't be happening.