Antonio Pierce facing gun charges(Burress incident)
 

Im not so sure that they will ge this one to stick.

[url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/07282009/news/regionalnews/antonio_pierce_facing_indict_181745.htm]NEW YORK GIANTS LINEBACKER ANTONIO PIERCE FACES INDICTMENT IN PLAXICO BURRESS GUN CASE - New York Post[/url]

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It sounded like from the beginning that Pierce was complicit in an attempted cover up. This may put an interesting twist on Plax's plea discussions. The DA's office will try to put these guys in a position to contradict each other.

I could see Pierce pleading to a lesser charge, but if they have his prints and any evidence that he handled the gun, it'll be hard for him to get out of it.

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I just cant see a GUN charge here. Maybe an obstruction charge or something like tampering with evidence but not a gun possesion charge. I am starting to think this DA is trying to make a name for himself.

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If Plax had so many threats of robbery, with the money he is making, why didn't he hire his own security staff. He had to act all tough and take matters into his own hands. It already cost him alot in shotting himself, now he will most likely face a prison term and damage what is left of his career. And to top it all off Pierce is going to be brought into this by trying to help his friend. I understand helping a buddy out, being scared in the situation and not thinking clearly, but he should have never tried to hide the gun with the law the way it is in New York.

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Lets see....law is to have an unregistered gun automatic 3yrs jail. What is Buress going to say if he testifies?....someone planted it on him? It's not his? I know this has been run into the ground but can someone refresh my memory....can they give him the yrs and suspend all the time for this charge in NY?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;570551][SIZE=3]If Plax had so many threats of robbery, with the money he is making, why didn't he hire his own security staff. He had to act all tough and take matters into his own hands.[/SIZE] It already cost him alot in shotting himself, now he will most likely face a prison term and damage what is left of his career. And to top it all off Pierce is going to be brought into this by trying to help his friend. I understand helping a buddy out, being scared in the situation and not thinking clearly, but he should have never tried to hide the gun with the law the way it is in New York.[/quote]

The same could have been said about our ST.

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[quote=firstdown;570556]The same could have been said about our ST.[/quote]

Sean Taylor didn't go to a club and then shoot himself! In fact, he never carried one. He just rolled up on those guys that stole his ATV's and kicked their asses!

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570550]I just cant see a GUN charge here. Maybe an obstruction charge or something like tampering with evidence but not a gun possesion charge. [B]I am starting to think this DA is trying to make a name for himself.[/B][/quote]


I saw the picture of him last night then heard Czaban this morning comment about him. He's turning 90 in 3 days. I think the longer Plax and Pierce can strech this thing out the better for them, this DA does not have that much time left.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Morgenthau]Robert M. Morgenthau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;570556]The same could have been said about our ST.[/quote]


Yes, I understand that. I wish he would have had a gun. ( he may still be here

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I guess it is a pretty sad situation that is going on with sports athletes these days. They are all targets. Vernon Forest the most recent. Steve Mcnair. They all need to be safe and smart. I don't know what that means, but it seems like guys are getting gunned down more and more.

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[quote=SBXVII;570554]Lets see....law is to have an unregistered gun automatic 3yrs jail. What is Buress going to say if he testifies?....someone planted it on him? It's not his? I know this has been run into the ground but can someone refresh my memory....can they give him the yrs and suspend all the time for this charge in NY?[/quote]

[quote]Burress had purchased the gun [B]legally[/B] and can document that the permit renewal form was [B]never forwarded to him[/B] in New Jersey, Brafman said.[/quote]

I found that interesting.

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[quote=Angry;570574], Brafman said.

I found that interesting.[/quote]Thats like someone using the "I didn't know" excuse for missing a court date. At the end of the day, it was PBs responsibility to make sure everything was taken care of. He decided not to register the gun. Now he has to face the music.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570550]I just cant see a GUN charge here. Maybe an obstruction charge or something like tampering with evidence but not a gun possesion charge[B]. I am starting to think this DA is trying to make a name for himself.[/quote][/B]

I was going to say the same thing.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570550]I just cant see a GUN charge here. Maybe an obstruction charge or something like tampering with evidence but not a gun possesion charge. I am starting to think this DA is trying to make a name for himself.[/quote]

What can the da do after the state of NY, the mayor & city admin. have taken a firm stance on guns & crime? As I recall the mayor made a statement shortly after this incident saying plax would be treated like anyone else would, i.e. convicted & jailed if guilty.

The da doesn't sound like he's trying to pimp himself or rushing to judgement at all, he's just taking steps to get Pierce indicted to bolster the case. Smart move, why wouldn't you indict a guy you believe was complicit w/a crime? At the least, putting Pierce on the stand (if it goes to trial) is absolutely essential. There's no way this thing can proceed w/out Pierce in some manner. His testimony, true or not, is vital to the case.

How much you wanna bet that he & plax ain't too friendly after this thing is over?

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I agree, this is pretty cut and dry.
Didn't Martha Stewart do time for just Obstruction of justice and lying to investigators in a criminal investigation? In New York? They never got the conviction of insider trading.
If Pierce did lie and try to cover up a criminal act (I am not saying he did, I do not know) then it is not a stretch to expect any different from NY DA?

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570575]Thats like someone using the "I didn't know" excuse for missing a court date. At the end of the day, it was PBs responsibility to make sure everything was taken care of. He decided not to register the gun. Now he has to face the music.[/quote]

Hold on, the gun was registered. The registration ws not renewed. I am not going to fault the guy for that when I am just as guilty of not renewing the tags on my car because I did not recieve the Registration renewal in the mail. Am I a bad person? Did I intentionally decide not to renew my registration? No, small things like this slip all of the time.

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[quote=Angry;570600]Hold on, the gun was registered. The registration ws not renewed. I am not going to fault the guy for that when I am just as guilty of not renewing the tags on my car because I did not recieve the Registration renewal in the mail. Am I a bad person? Did I intentionally decide not to renew my registration? No, small things like this slip all of the time.[/quote]Wait a minute Angry! Nobody said you or Burress are bad people. All I'm saying is it was HIS responsibility to register the gun. Its not the states job to make sure he got his paperwork straight.

And to your point about tags, If you get caught with dead plates, you will get a ticket. Claiming you didn't get the renewal form in the mail is a bad excuse and 100% of the time you will still get into trouble.

My facts may not be right but I was under the impression that his gun WAS registered but it was in a different state. If, in fact, the gun registation was just "expired", then I think this whole thing is a joke. If he never bothered to register his gun in the state he was currently living in, well, That was HIS decision. Now he has to live with the consequences.

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Yeah the point is that the registration is not transferable between states, and New York is not a state that is going to be lenient with firearms, regardless of who you are.

As for Pierce: If he is indicted will Goodell be forced to suspend him? Can he do it before week 1? I would be ok with that. :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570604]Yeah the point is that the registration is not transferable between states, and New York is not a state that is going to be lenient with firearms, regardless of who you are. [/quote]

Exactly. An amendment to federal law was shot down just last week that would have allowed reciprocity between states for carry-permits.

Also, Robert Morgenthau does not need this case to make a name for himself.


Here are just a few of his convictions, that Make Plax look like small fry:

[B]Notable Cases[/B] (From Wiki)

[LIST][*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman"]Mark David Chapman[/URL] (1981): Chapman plead guilty to killing [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon"]John Lennon[/URL][*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Goetz"]Bernie Goetz[/URL], the "Subway Vigilante" (1987): Charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment and several gun law violations after he shot four men who were trying to rob him in 1984.[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chambers_%28killer%29"]Robert Chambers[/URL], the "Preppie Killer" (1988): After confessing to killing an 18-year-old girl, Chambers was convicted of manslaughter and served 15 years in prison.[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisha_Meili"]Central Park Jogger[/URL] (1989): Five teenage suspects were convicted of assaulting and raping a woman in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park"]Central Park[/URL]. The convictions were later vacated in 2002 when another man said he attacked the victim.[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International"]BCCI[/URL] (1991): The fraud investigation revealed that the bank laundered money for criminal enterprises. Morgenthau claimed jurisdiction because millions of the laundered dollars flowed through Manhattan. Ultimately, the bank was seized by international regulators, and its liquidators pleaded guilty to all charges and forfeited all of the bank's American assets.[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sante_Kimes"]Sante and Kenny Kimes[/URL] (2000): Mom-and-son grifters convicted of murder.[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kozlowski"]Dennis Kozlowski[/URL] and Mark Swartz (2005): The top two executives of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyco"]Tyco[/URL] were found guilty of stealing more than $150 million from the company they had been entrusted to manage.[/LIST]

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570603]Wait a minute Angry! Nobody said you or Burress are bad people. All I'm saying is it was HIS responsibility to register the gun. Its not the states job to make sure he got his paperwork straight.

And to your point about tags, If you get caught with dead plates, you will get a ticket. Claiming you didn't get the renewal form in the mail is a bad excuse and 100% of the time you will still get into trouble.

My facts may not be right but I was under the impression that his gun WAS registered but it was in a different state. If, in fact, the gun registation was just "expired", then I think this whole thing is a joke. If he never bothered to register his gun in the state he was currently living in, well, That was HIS decision. Now he has to live with the consequences.[/quote]

You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.

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[quote=Angry;570610]You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.[/quote]See, we are on the same page in that regard. The prison thing is more about a deterent(SP?) for others than a punishment for PB. PB is a big name and they want to use him as an example to show how tough they are on gun crimes. Whether or not he deserves Jail time is not for me to say but I do think he has to face the consequences of his decision to caryy the gun that night.

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Somebody mentioned Steve Czaban...I know this is the wrong thread, but how can ESPN 980 fire Brian Mitchell and keep Czaban? I just don't understand...(Dan Snyder bought the station, and Mitchell had a verbal fight with Portis last year).

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Gun charge or not, you can be sure Roger Goodell will come down hard on him in his typical fashion....he might even give him a stern lecture.

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[quote=Angry;570610]You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.[/quote]

Now I have a lot of questions but here's my take of what you guys are trying to say....

PB purchased a gun legally in NY.
He lives in NJ.
Never registered it in NJ.
Carried firearm across state lines.
Fired his gun in a no shooting zone (probably) in a crouded bar.
Injured himself.

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[quote=SBXVII;570639]Now I have a lot of questions but here's my take of what you guys are trying to say....

PB purchased a gun legally in NY.
He lives in NJ.
Never registered it in NJ.
Carried firearm across state lines.
Fired his gun in a no shooting zone (probably) in a crouded bar.
Injured himself.[/quote]

Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570640]Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)[/quote]


Well said , nice post and to PB...................by-by!He's an ASS!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570640]Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)[/quote]

Thank You. If he didn't renew it then it's unregistered. Then never registered it in NY or where ever he was living. Took his PPD(personal protective device.LOL) out to the club and fired it off (accidentally) putting other people at risk. I don't see how a resonable person defends that.

unlicensed
fired it off
injured someone(himself)

He would pay a price in any state. Not to mention he probably had concealed it with out a permit for that state (NY).

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As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.

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[quote=Giantone;570648]As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.[/quote]


I somewhat agree with you. PB should have been loaded into an ambulance and taken to the hospital. AP should have stayed at the scene and spoke with the police and handed it over to them. Whichever came first.

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[quote=Giantone;570648]As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.[/quote]

Not really sure, and I like AP so I hope he didn't, but
on #3, they went in under a concealed name - possible obstruction of justice or fraud

4) not sure of the law, but he was in possession of an unregistered gun, and it was not his, and it had been fired. At the least dumb possibly a crime. If someone tries to hand me a gun that i know was just fired in a crowded bar. Sorry think I gotta pass.

and 5) attempted to conceal the gun. Nice spin that as soon as he was asked. But it still was concealing evidence.
I hope AP doesn't get the hammer, and really that he takes a minor plea and lets PB deal with his own stupidity. But we will see.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570653]Not really sure, and I like AP so I hope he didn't, but
[B]on #3, they went in under a concealed name - possible obstruction of justice or fraud[/B]

4) not sure of the law, but he was in possession of an unregistered gun, and it was not his, and it had been fired. At the least dumb possibly a crime. If someone tries to hand me a gun that i know was just fired in a crowded bar. Sorry think I gotta pass.

and 5) attempted to conceal the gun. Nice spin that as soon as he was asked. But it still was concealing evidence.
I hope AP doesn't get the hammer, and really that he takes a minor plea and lets PB deal with his own stupidity. But we will see.[/quote]

Right. I mean if thats the case and they want to persue that against AP, than go ahead... but to try to charge him for picking up the gun with the same crime as Burress I think is just assnine.

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i like how people are saying the prosecutor is trying to make a name for him self. Christ, the guys like 90, so he better hurry up

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570653]Not really sure, and I like AP so I hope he didn't, but
on #3, they went in under a concealed name - possible obstruction of justice or fraud

4) not sure of the law, but he was in possession of an unregistered gun, and it was not his, and it had been fired. At the least dumb possibly a crime. If someone tries to hand me a gun that i know was just fired in a crowded bar. Sorry think I gotta pass.

and 5) attempted to conceal the gun. Nice spin that as soon as he was asked. But it still was concealing evidence.
I hope AP doesn't get the hammer, and really that he takes a minor plea and lets PB deal with his own stupidity. But we will see.[/quote]

1) ...not they...Burress registerd under an assumed name
2) not his gun.........and the person who did own it was right there how is AP to know if it is or isn't?
3)...attemped nothing,they man didn't hide a thing.

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[quote=Giantone;570771]1) ...not they...Burress registerd under an assumed name
2) not his gun.........and the person who did own it was right there how is AP to know if it is or isn't?
3)...attemped nothing,they man didn't hide a thing.[/quote]

I think your painting the best possible picture. I know that when it happened, the media I saw sure made AP sound like he had tried to hide the weapon, and took a while to be "forthcoming". I was, at the time, surprised charges had not been filed.

As to it not being his gun, if I hand you a gun - after having it go off in a crowded bar, and you don't give it to the cops immediately, I am pretty sure you are going to be looked at as an accessory after the fact, regardless of if it's registered or not. It's not quite the same thing as two guys at a hunting club saying, hey Joe can you take my rifle back to the club for for me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;570795]I think your painting the best possible picture. I know that when it happened, the media I saw sure made AP sound like he had tried to hide the weapon, and took a while to be "forthcoming". I was, at the time, surprised charges had not been filed.

As to it not being his gun, [B]if I hand you a gun - after having it go off in a crowded bar, and you don't give it to the cops immediately, I am pretty sure you are going to be looked at as an accessory after the fact, regardless of if it's registered or not. [/B] It's not quite the same thing as two guys at a hunting club saying, hey Joe can you take my rifle back to the club for for me.[/quote]

Thank you. This is a hand gun, not a spit ball shooter.
An ambulance and the police should have been called immediately. Since when does a gun going off in a club and someone getting wounded not warrant a criminal investigation? Regardless if the gun was registered or not and the circumstances of this 'accidental shooting', the police should have been notified. The truth is the players were trying to cover it up to avoid trouble.

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To Antonio Pierce: Keeping idiots nearby as friends will allow idiotic circumstances to follow you, even if you didn't do anything idiotic yourself.

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[quote=Defensewins;570882]Thank you. This is a hand gun, not a spit ball shooter.
An ambulance and the police should have been called immediately. Since when does a gun going off in a club and someone getting wounded not warrant a criminal investigation? Regardless if the gun was registered or not and the circumstances of this 'accidental shooting', the police should have been notified. The truth is the players were trying to cover it up to avoid trouble.[/quote]

1) We all know what should have been done but the fact we are dealing with ...it wasn't.
2) #1 ...and most important the welfare of Burress,that was what AP was thinking
3)You don't know what the tuth is...the jury will decide it,and on a side note...those two were so well known they couldn't have coverd it up.

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[quote=Buster;570892]To Antonio Pierce: Keeping idiots nearby as friends will allow idiotic circumstances to follow you, even if you didn't do anything idiotic yourself.[/quote]

AMEN..........words every pro player no matter what sport should live by.

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[quote=Buster;570892]To Antonio Pierce: Keeping idiots nearby as friends will allow idiotic circumstances to follow you, even if you didn't do anything idiotic yourself.[/quote]

Hiding what you know is probably an illegal weapon would be considered idiotic for most of us, but your point is well made nevertheless. The problem of course is this: when there are no repercussions for keeping idiots nearby, why wouldn't you continue to do so?

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[quote=Defensewins;570882]Thank you. This is a hand gun, not a spit ball shooter.
An ambulance and the police should have been called immediately. Since when does a gun going off in a club and someone getting wounded not warrant a criminal investigation? Regardless if the gun was registered or not and the circumstances of this 'accidental shooting', the police should have been notified. The truth is the players were trying to cover it up to avoid trouble.[/quote]

Very stupid what AP allegedly did...just as stupid as what Burress did. Well hopefully things work out for them.