Least valuable player Skins-Browns
 

vote and discuss

I voted 'other' for the review official we're paying. He's the LVP of the season so far, IMO.

Ehh I went with Brunell. Although a case could be made for all those guys. Coles had a pretty decent game, so I'll give him a pass. Portis needs to pick it up, for real. I mean, I dont think he's a bust or anything by any means. Its obvious hes a extremmly good running back, but he cant give games away, which he's done twice. I think Brunell needs to start firing down the feild. I know people dont want to see mistakes and INT's and lord knows I dont either, but we need to take some risks. No one is going to take us seriously if we dont start firing it down the feild a little bit.

The Coaching staff... I want more than anything ot give them a free pass, but they really need to get it together better. Its obvious. I'm not gonna spend time knocking them or anything, I think they know they need to do better and will. The thing with this team, its not effort thats the problem, its execution.

Mine goes to Portis. When you have a system that is so heavily based on the running game, you've got to have a back that moves the chains and doesn't put the ball on the ground, Portis isn't doing either one right now. For all the money we're paying for this guy, he has to step up his game big time. His fumble was the turning point in the game. With that one play the Skins seemed to have that 'here we go again' attitude and the Browns stole the momentum and never gave it up.

Right now the Skins are their own worst enemy. There's plenty of blame to go around, but the coaches aren't the ones turning the ball over. Time for our playmakers to step the hell up. When you lose the turnover battle, most times you'll lose the game. Simple as that. We shouldn't have to be concerned with not having timeouts left late in the game for a challenge. Guys shouldn't be putting the ball on the ground, PERIOD.

If Portis doesn't fumble we win

[QUOTE=wbecker999]If Portis doesn't fumble we win[/QUOTE]
Basically. And if he didn't fumble in NY, we'd be 3-1. We're not, and I'd rather lose these games (as hard as it is on us die hards) than the ones later down the stretch when we're hopefully in the playoff hunt.

Walt Harris is a good candidate for the LVP also.
He got burned all every crucial defensive play.

Coles has been to inconsistant lately.

Portis 1#, Harris 2# and Coles 3#. No reason for the play of three experienced players. Sean Taylor still looks like a rookie. Will he please step up now that he's starting?

chris cooley had a pretty bad game too

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Portis 1#, Harris 2# and Coles 3#. No reason for the play of three experienced players. Sean Taylor still looks like a rookie. Will he please step up now that he's starting?[/QUOTE]
I love Sean Taylor, and defintley think he should have a considerable amount of time in all of our games. However, I think we should take a longer look at Andre Lott next week if he's healthy.

I think Taylor's relatively easy preseason could quite possibly be the worst thing that could have happened to him and this team. He's learning that it's not going to be easy. I'm not worried though, he'll come around

I voted for Portis. Or is it more accurate to say I voted against Portis? Either way his performance today was awful. Even without the fumble. Portis is undeniably the star of our team. As the star he has to step up and find a way to make plays.

I too voted Portis LVP. At least after the game he admitted he thought he lost this game. He then said that he thought he was responsible for all 3 of the Redskins losses, I wouldn't go that far. Maybe now he can take that frustration into a game and use it as motivation to not fumble, especially in the red zone. I think Coles is nowhere near 100%. I think there are some hidden injuries that have not been brought up. Coles is one of the hardest working players on this team and its very difficult to see him struggle. As for coach Gibbs, I truly feel for him. He risked it all to come back, not for the money but because he loves this team, our team. I will always respect and look up to him no matter what happens this season or the next 4. It is really disheartening to hear what most fans are saying on the radio and writing in forums like this one and others around the net. Coach has nothing to prove to me, the players on the other hand, have miles to go before they show me that they are real Redskins. As most know, the coach calls a play and it works or it doesn't, but that same play will never work if its not executed correctly. As a final thought, if you have something negative to say about Joe gibbs, Just keep it to yourself because all REAL Redskin fans don't want to hear it. :vomit-smi

Matty I wish you had "whole team" up there. Because it wasn't just Brunell, Portis or Coles. Our defense broke down a couple of times and special teams wasn't special at all. It was a total team failure. Similar to the Giants, and Cowboys game.

We had way too many penalties too......

well renaldo wynn has had a solid year so far...at least thats one positive

didn't gibbs name coles mvp

Portis. That fumble, when and where it happened, utterly changed the game. We went from up 10-3 with the ball and the momentum, to tied, on the road, without the momentum. Again, like in New York, it gave a weak team life in their own stadium. And it was committed by our (allegedly) best player. Ouch.

What happened to all the Taylor supporters that were second guessing why he wasn't starting from week one?

[QUOTE=aehs77]didn't gibbs name coles mvp[/QUOTE]

MVP is for the player whose on the winning team right? 122yds was good but overshadowed by the fumble.

I chose Portis due to his fumble and his inability to move the chains. He now has cost us 2 games with his canning ability to drop the rock. .

Also, I am wondering why Sean Taylor isn't on this list??? He got burned multiple times and continues to look lost out there....now we know why the coaching staff didn't want him starting, he isn't ready.

I voted 'Other' as in 'Whole Team'.

Has anyone else asked their Dr. to up their meds yet?

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]I chose Portis due to his fumble and his inability to move the chains. He now has cost us 2 games with his canning ability to drop the rock. .

Also, I am wondering why Sean Taylor isn't on this list??? He got burned multiple times and continues to look lost out there....now we know why the coaching staff didn't want him starting, he isn't ready.[/QUOTE


Whats so messed up is how good he looked in preseason. Was it a first team offense he played against in preseason? Because he's missing a lot of tackles and even turned his back to the receiver without touching him while he was on the ground! What in the hell was he thinking? Oh, they might as well score if they got to the goal line?

there is nothing worse on sunday than a redskins loss for me. I love the skins, and after a loss I dont wanna pick a LVP. I dont like to dwell on the negatives. Yes Portis needs to stop fumbling, and we need to catch the ball better, stop penalties, special teams need to tackle better, etc. The whole team needs to play better and they will. I beleive deep down in the pit of stomach that Gibbs will get this turned around.

I voted Portis, but other than the fumble, I think it wasn't him as much as the O-line not executing and creating the holes for him. There were at least a couple times where he was a block away from breaking one...

DON'T BLAME THE PLAYERS. THIS IS ALL THE COACHING STAFFS FAULT! :madani:

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]DON'T BLAME THE PLAYERS. THIS IS ALL THE COACHING STAFFS FAULT! :madani:[/QUOTE]

How is it the coaching staffs fault when Portis or Coles fumbles?

Portis without a doubt. Everything else being the same they are 3-1 easily without his fumbles. I don't think you could make that case with any other single person on the team.

you could make the case that if the passing game was any good, than you wouldn't have to pin your fate on one guy (of 11 out there).... and as a whole the O would be able to overcome one turnover... out of the 7 last drives, only one went for over 12 yards.

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]DON'T BLAME THE PLAYERS. THIS IS ALL THE COACHING STAFFS FAULT! :madani:[/QUOTE]

People can blame the coaching all they want. They have made some very questionable, and some downright stupid calls. The fact of the matter is, they have put us in a position to win all the games and the players dont execute. We won vs Tampa, we were well in the position to beat the Giants, we got screwed by the refs last week, and we were in the position to win this week. Leaving the Dallas game out, because its so questionable as too why we lost. The coaching staff has put us in the postion to win all three other games. Portis fumbles, Brunell/Ramsey turnovers, Coles Turnovers, those are on those guys, not the coaches. Its not Gibbs and Bugel out there turning over the football. We have been in the position to win, we havent executed, bottom line.

[QUOTE=That Guy]you could make the case that if the passing game was any good, than you wouldn't have to pin your fate on one guy (of 11 out there).... and as a whole the O would be able to overcome one turnover... out of the 7 last drives, only one went for over 12 yards.[/QUOTE]

It goes without saying that right now they are not a good enough team to overcome costly turnovers. Right now this team is just not good enough to overcome a fumble returned for a TD against NY, and a fumble in the opening drive of the 3rd quarter in 2 of the 4 games. I wish they were good enough but they are not. In reality it takes more than one mistake to equal a loss, but if you have to pin it on one man that man is Mr. Portis. There are no other single persons mistakes that you can argue cost 2 wins.

I voted "other" because I think Sultan McCullough is our LVP. I mean, all through the preseason every year it's "Sultan this" and "Sultan that" - but I can't remember him scoring any TD's lately. What's up Sultan?? Afraid to make a play in prime time?? I say he either needs to step up or we need to demote him to the practice squad. Amen.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Mine goes to Portis. When you have a system that is so heavily based on the running game, you've got to have a back that moves the chains and doesn't put the ball on the ground, Portis isn't doing either one right now. For all the money we're paying for this guy, he has to step up his game big time. His fumble was the turning point in the game. With that one play the Skins seemed to have that 'here we go again' attitude and the Browns stole the momentum and never gave it up.

Right now the Skins are their own worst enemy. There's plenty of blame to go around, but the coaches aren't the ones turning the ball over. Time for our playmakers to step the hell up. When you lose the turnover battle, most times you'll lose the game. Simple as that. We shouldn't have to be concerned with not having timeouts left late in the game for a challenge. Guys shouldn't be putting the ball on the ground, PERIOD.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. Portis.

[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club]I voted "other" because I think Sultan McCullough is our LVP. I mean, all through the preseason every year it's "Sultan this" and "Sultan that" - but I can't remember him scoring any TD's lately. What's up Sultan?? Afraid to make a play in prime time?? I say he either needs to step up or we need to demote him to the practice squad. Amen.[/QUOTE]
You're on a roll today

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That's hilarious AJFC.

Greetings from Vancouver British Columbia...

AJFC, you get the prize for the best post in this entire thread. ;)

The player who gave up the catch that set up the losing TD is the same player who was late arriving at the point of attack to stop the run that scored the losing TD. I'd say that makes him the LVP and that would be Sean Taylor.

I am beginning to fear that Sean Taylor may be a long time in developing into a better than average safety at the NFL level. At the moment, he does not show anything to suggest that he was worth a pick that high in the draft. He has physical skills coming out his ears but so did Michael Westbrook...

I'm jealous that you're in Vancouver Curmudgeon-that may just be the most beautiful city in the world