Plaxico Agrees To Two Year Jail Term
 

Title says it all.
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541023,00.html]Ex-NFL Player Plaxico Burress Agrees to Two Years in Weapons Case - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com[/url]

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Wow. Didn't he initially turn down plea agreements offering much less time than this? His career is officially over. He'll be pushing 34 when he gets out.

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[quote=GMScud;577505][B]Wow. Didn't he turn down plea agreements offering much less time than this?[/B] His career is officially over. He'll be pushing 34 when he gets out.[/quote]


Should of took the deal when it was offered.

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Bye bye Plax. Your arrogance ended your career. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...er, leg.

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I just heard that his wife is pregnant. Pretty awful that their child won't have a father for the first year+ of his/her life.

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anybody know if this is one of those Paris Hilton jail sentences, where he gets 2 yrs, but serves only 6 months or so due to overcrowding, good behavior, whatever...?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;577511]anybody know if this is one of those Paris Hilton jail sentences, where he gets 2 yrs, but serves only 6 months or so due to overcrowding, good behavior, whatever...?[/quote]

The link on ESPN says he can reduce the sentence to 20 months with good behavior.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4411373]Former New York Giants receiver Plaxico Burress pleads guilty, to serve 2 years in prison - ESPN[/url]

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I don't feel sorry for him and he has no one to blame but himself....carrying a gun in a nightclub. WTF was he thinking?? His whole career all he's done is be a pain in the ass. Can't show up to work on time, can't come to practice. I mean just think how much Pittsburgh thought of him to just let him walk and get nothing in return.

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[quote=GMScud;577505]Wow. Didn't he initially turn down plea agreements offering much less time than this? His career is officially over. He'll be pushing 34 when he gets out.[/quote]

I don't think the prosecuter had offered any plea and vowed to hit Plx with the max he could get. Two years for shooting yourself is a long time. [url=http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/plaxico_burress_indicted.html]Plaxico Burress Indicted -- Daily Intel -- New York News Blog -- New York Magazine[/url]

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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The making of an example.

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combined with the fact that 2011 may be a lockout, he certainly is a longshot to play again. Although he may cross over and play if the opportunity presents itself.

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[quote=FRPLG;577524]The making of an example.[/quote]

Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? Nope...wouldn't serve that time.

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I do wonder if he can file a petition to be allowed out to "work". We all know he doesn't need practice, so maybe he can petition to be allowed to play while he's still young. All he will be doing is working out in prison anyway.

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[quote=Lotus;577507]Bye bye Plax. Your arrogance ended your career. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...er, leg.[/quote]

ROFL, nice! Pretty sad, what a waste of talent!

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[quote=jsarno;577558]Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? [B]Nope...wouldn't serve that time.[/B][/quote]

1. We debated the issue of gun control elsewhere and I won't go there again other than to say, just like every other right in the constitution, it is not unlimited. 100% of the time and in every court in the land, the statute under which he was convicted passes constitutional muster. The law was constitutional and he broke it.

2. This was a plea agreement. B/c he agreed to take the deal, he can't get out of it. Essentially, he agreed to give up the fight in return for the State taking it easy on him. It's the end of this matter. Period. Lock it away. Done. Finito. Fini.

3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.

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[quote=jsarno;577558]Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? Nope...wouldn't serve that time.[/quote]

If he wanted to argue unfair sentencing, he would have had to go to trial, been found guilty, been sentenced by a judge, and then appeal. By taking a plea he severely limits his avenues of appeals, especially if the judge stays within the constraints of the deal. If the judge imposes a harsher sentence then Burriss might have options.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;577569]1. We debated the issue of gun control elsewhere and I won't go there again other than to say, just like every other right in the constitution, it is not unlimited. 100% of the time and in every court in the land, the statute under which he was convicted passes constitutional muster. The law was constitutional and he broke it.

2. This was a plea agreement. B/c he agreed to take the deal, he can't get out of it. Essentially, he agreed to give up the fight in return for the State taking it easy on him. It's the end of this matter. Period. Lock it away. Done. Finito. Fini.

3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.[/quote]

you wrote all that in the time it took for me to comment on your point number 2. geez.

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This is the first smart decision that Burress has made in the last couple of years...

At age 34, he will get an invitation to someone's camp when he is fiished with his prison time because of his talent. He may or may not make an NFL team at that point, but he will get a "looksee"...

If you are looking to describe him in a single word, try this one:

[INDENT][SIZE="5"]MEATHEAD[/SIZE][/INDENT]

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[quote=jsarno;577558]the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)[/quote]

This is a hilarious statement. IMO.

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I'm glad that he got what was eventually coming to him. People with the mindset like that (I'm better than you, you can't touch me) deserve to be in prison.

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[quote=Lotus;577507]Bye bye Plax. Your arrogance ended your career. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...er, leg.[/quote]

wow they dropped the hammer on that guy.Do ya think it had anything to do with stallworth not getting punished for his crimes that they come and throw the book at poor plax?

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[quote=redskinjim;577595]wow they dropped the hammer on that guy.Do ya think it had anything to do with stallworth not getting punished for his crimes that they come and throw the book at poor plax?[/quote]

No .

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[quote=GMScud;577505]Wow. Didn't he initially turn down plea agreements offering much less time than this? His career is officially over. He'll be pushing 34 when he gets out.[/quote]

hey Guys and after reading all the post's in this thread ....you are all right!

I heard the samething but have no proof,the law in NY says 3and a half but that can be in anyway...I was under the impression that the offer was 6 months and then halfway house and then house arrest but he kept turning them down and each time the offer went up till the DA just got pissed and say we will take our chances.
I have no sypathy for this guy ...the Giants bent over backwards and he just couldn't get it,yup he has talent but when do you say enough?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;577569]
3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.[/quote]

I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.

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[quote=Giantone;577602]I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.[/quote]


I started to write a long winded statement to this very point and changed my mind only cause I lost track and wondered it others were upset at the NFL's punishment. I totally have to agree with you here. I know of a case in VA where a man who was drunk ran out in traffic at night to cross the street and not 1 but 2 SUV's ran over him. Amazingly he was flown out and survived and was let out of the hospital 11 days later with a cracked rib which lacerated his liver and that's why they kept him. No charges were filed against either driver.

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[quote=Giantone;577602][B]I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.[/B]Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.[/quote]

You won't get yelled at here b/c, unlike the Giants board, most here are intelligent. We understand the concept of "contributory negligence". In Maryland, just as in Florida, a party cannot prevail in any civil suit if their own negligence contributed in [I]any[/I] way to the accident. It's not wacky, it's an age-old concept in law.

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Can u imagine going in to prison with hardend felons and describe your crime.

I hope that prisons full of giants fans.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;577571]If he wanted to argue unfair sentencing, he would have had to go to trial, been found guilty, been sentenced by a judge, and then appeal. By taking a plea he severely limits his avenues of appeals, especially if the judge stays within the constraints of the deal. If the judge imposes a harsher sentence then Burriss might have options.[/quote]

You and Joeredskin are absolutely right...I just can't stand to hear that Burress is getting hard time for breaking a law that didn't hurt ANYONE (other than himself).
Sorry, but I do believe that professional athletes are "targets" and they deserve the right to protect themselves. Of course Burress is an idiot shooting himself. This is NOT a 2 year offense people. This should have been a probation and community service sentence issue.
It's just not right to look at Stallworth killing someone and getting 20 days...and Vick torturing living beings and being barbaric and getting a similar sentence to a guy that didn't hurt anyone, nor did he have intent to hurt anyone. He just carried a gun and accidentally shot himself. We have some serious issues in this country in terms of actual issues. Just cause NY has no handle on crime in their state doesn't mean they should make an example of a completely innocent man.

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I think that Burress's penalty is overly stiff. But I also see two mitigating factors:
1) it was NYC, where they have a serious gun crimes problem. In a way I can understand why the penalties are so tough.
2) since the gun went off accidentally, what if it had been pointed accidentally in a different direction and an innocent person had been hit? What if a ricochet had hit an innocent person? Plax can hardly say that he could have prevented such events.

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[quote=Lotus;577631]I think that Burress's penalty is overly stiff. But I also see two mitigating factors:
1) it was NYC, where they have a serious gun crimes problem. In a way I can understand why the penalties are so tough.
2) since the gun went off accidentally, [b]what if it had been pointed accidentally in a different direction and an innocent person had been hit? What if a ricochet had hit an innocent person?[/b] Plax can hardly say that he could have prevented such events.[/quote]

We do not punish harshly for "what if" crimes, we punish harshly for actual crimes. Just like a first DUI offender gets more of a slap on the wrist...but IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time. There are all sorts of "what if" scenarios. We ALL speed, so "what if" we sped and lost control and hit someone? We would be punish MUCH more severely than if we got a speeding ticket.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.

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[quote=jsarno;577633] IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.[/quote]

You keep forgeting one very important fact,the victim..."contributory negligence"(there is a vidio). There was no malice by Sallworth(stupidity,yes)....he can do more good for the Family of the victim out of jail then in it.

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[quote=Giantone;577602][B]I got yelled at on the Giant site[/B] ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.[/quote]

Why am I surprised....I'm not really. It is a ggirls site!

Break the law, carry a gun to a club, all for what? And your dumbass doesn't even know how to properly secure a weapon. Could have easily killed an innocent patron.

He's getting just what he deserves!

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[quote=jsarno;577616]You and Joeredskin are absolutely right...I just can't stand to hear that Burress is getting hard time for breaking a law that didn't hurt ANYONE (other than himself).
Sorry, but I do believe that professional athletes are "targets" and they deserve the right to protect themselves. Of course Burress is an idiot shooting himself. This is NOT a 2 year offense people. This should have been a probation and community service sentence issue.
It's just not right to look at Stallworth killing someone and getting 20 days...and Vick torturing living beings and being barbaric and getting a similar sentence to a guy that didn't hurt anyone, nor did he have intent to hurt anyone. He just carried a gun and accidentally shot himself. We have some serious issues in this country in terms of actual issues. Just [B]cause NY has no handle on crime in their state doesn't mean they should make an example of a completely innocent man[/B].[/quote]

They didn't. They made an example of a guilty one.

Actually, I don't [I]entirely[/I] disagree with you. It's a draconian law but one that a majority of New Yorkers support. If you don't like the law, don't move to NY.

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[quote=jsarno;577633]We do not punish harshly for "what if" crimes, we punish harshly for actual crimes. Just like a first DUI offender gets more of a slap on the wrist...but IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time. There are all sorts of "what if" scenarios. We ALL speed, so "what if" we sped and lost control and hit someone? We would be punish MUCH more severely than if we got a speeding ticket.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.[/quote]


gun laws are a serious issue. even with a permit you cannot carry a loaded weapon in certain places, if you do and if you get caught, the penalty is severe. even worse if you discharge your weapon.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;577639]They didn't. They made an example of a guilty one.

Actually, I don't [I]entirely[/I] disagree with you. It's a draconian law but one that a majority of New Yorkers support. If you don't like the law, don't move to NY.[/quote]

While some view it as harsh, maybe just maybe these players will have a little more selfcontrol when going out.

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He really got of lite because the manditory sentence is something like 3 1/2 years. If you think they made an example of him you would have to look at other cases where someone carried a gun into a bar and it went off by accident. I dont think the time fits the crime in this case but the law is the law. He was in the wrong place for that to happen and in just about any other state or city he probably would have had his gun permit taken away and maybe served 30 days or maybe just probation.

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[quote=jsarno;577633]We do not punish harshly for "what if" crimes, we punish harshly for actual crimes. Just like a first DUI offender gets more of a slap on the wrist...but IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time. There are all sorts of "what if" scenarios. We ALL speed, so "what if" we sped and lost control and hit someone? We would be punish MUCH more severely than if we got a speeding ticket.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.[/quote]

I essentially agree with you. Killing should be punished much more harshly than potential killing. The point I was trying to make is hidden in your comments, though. Notice that we do punish drunk drivers, even if they don't injure anyone, on the principle that they could have. We do, in fact, punish potential crimes, because that is what drunk driving laws are all about.

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[quote=Lotus;577654]I essentially agree with you. Killing should be punished much more harshly than potential killing. The point I was trying to make is hidden in your comments, though. Notice that we do punish drunk drivers, even if they don't injure anyone, on the principle that they could have. We do, in fact, punish potential crimes, because that is what drunk driving laws are all about.[/quote]

Excellent point. A+ professor!

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Indeed, the criminal justice system does not punish "what if" crimes. It only punishes [B]actual violations of the law[/B].

Plax is not in jail because he took a gun to a nightclub where it accidentally went off. That is [B]not[/B] his crime.

His crime is that [B]he carried a concealed handgun which was unregistered[/B]. There isn't a lot of "what if" in there; he did exactly that.

Whether or not anyone likes it, that is a crime in NYC. And if anyone thinks that such a law violates the 2nd Amendment of the Constituion, then you also need to believe that there have to be thousands of idiots practicing law in NYC for the past several years because none of them has figured a way to get their aruguments heard in Federal Court to make the NYC law null and void. [B]Highly unlikely[/B]...

You don't have to like it, but that is the law in NYC and Plaxico Burress broke it. Even his lawyer - - the same guy who got P-Diddy off on similar charges about 2 years ago - - said that Burress' case was virtually indefensible.

The law is there because the people who make laws in NYC voted it there and the people in NYC have kept those folks in office so the people there cannot be super-offended by the law. If you don't like that law, live somewhere else. If you have to live in NYC or visit there, obey that law or you might be spending time in the Crossbars Hilton with a roomate named Big Bopper.

Burress is not guilty of a "what if" crime. He is guilty of carrying a concealed unregistered handgun in NYC. That is what he plead guilty to; that is why he is going to jail.

[B]TECHNICALLY[/B], the security guard at the nightclub who picked up the gun after Plax shot himself is also guilty of violating this law; so is Antonio Pierce who took the gun from the security guard and then took it back to Burress' home in NJ. The grand jury chose not to indict Pierce so the argument that Burress only got charged because he was a "celeb" doesn't hold a lot of water because Pierce is a comparable "celeb". I don't believe the security guard was ever brought to the grand jury for consideration.