Collins locks up the #2 job, Colt and Chase fighting for the #3
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/collins-gets-nod-at-backup-qb.html#more]Redskins Insider - Collins Gets Nod as Brennan, Daniel Battle[/url]

For the fourth consecutive season, Todd Collins will be the Redskins' backup quarterback, and [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/08/chase_daniel_and_colt_brennan.html?wprss=dcsportsbog"]Colt Brennan is in a battle [/URL]with rookie Chase Daniel for the No. 3 job, Coach Jim Zorn said today after practice at Redskins Park.

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It'll be interesting to see how Colt Brennan responds next time around -- that's assuming he gets some playing time against the Pats.

That late INT has to be keeping him up at night. Hopefully he won't come out of the gates too reckless.

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No knock against Chase, but I am surprised by Zorn's positive comments about him, having heard so many Zorn knocks against Colt.

It is possible that the Cult of Colt will soon be silenced. Who knew? Way to go, Chase, even if you don't win the battle.

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ive always been a fan of chase daniel. the kid is a winner, he and maclin pretty much resurrected the entire mizzou football program. daniel is a great leader, with good mobility, and is very accurate. he knows how to move the football downfield and in a hurry. he does lack height and throwing power, but i definitely think he will find a home in the nfl. if its not with the redskins, i would still wish him success.

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[quote=Lotus;579523]No knock against Chase, but I am surprised by Zorn's positive comments about him, having heard so many Zorn knocks against Colt.

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I also noticed that. Interesting. I got to think that Chase now has the inside track, its not like Zorn hold things close to the vest, compared to other NFL coaches.

Also I don't get the height knock, nobody seems to remember that Drew Brees is only 6'0 feet.

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i am certainly not a cultist, but is it possible that chase is far enough along to overtake a qb that has had a full year in this system? i dont see it. part of me wants to keep them both (PJ5 and CD) and put collins out to pasture. it would certainly be feast or famine from there.

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I feel so vindicated :) if only for a few days

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[quote=Beemnseven;579522]It'll be interesting to see how Colt Brennan responds next time around -- that's assuming he gets some playing time against the Pats.

That late INT has to be keeping him up at night. Hopefully he won't come out of the gates too reckless.[/quote]

Supposedly, Colt will start the 2nd half against the Pats and get most of the snaps. But then again, Chase was supposed to play in the first preseason game and he didn't. And Colt was supposed to come in right after Campbell against the Steelers, and he didn't.

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[quote=johno;579557]i am certainly not a cultist, but is it possible that chase is far enough along to overtake a qb that has had a full year in this system? i dont see it. part of me wants to keep them both (PJ5 and CD) and put collins out to pasture. it would certainly be feast or famine from there.[/quote]

That would make sense except that Collins has looked like the most capable of the Redskins quarterbacks during the preseason and is the only one of the three potential backups that could come in and win a few games right now. Going into the preseason the ideal situation would have been to keep Colt at #3 and stash Daniel on the practice squad. But Daniel may have played himself right out of that possibility and Colt has not looked good in either game. We'll see what happens, but let's be honest, outside of Redskinland there were many questions about Brennan's ability to play at the NFL level. The preseason hype last year for Brennan was based upon a limited sample size, which was further skewed by the fact that he managed to complete some ill-advised passes that were unlikely to be successful on a regular basis in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;579519][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/collins-gets-nod-at-backup-qb.html#more]Redskins Insider - Collins Gets Nod as Brennan, Daniel Battle[/url]

For the fourth consecutive season, Todd Collins will be the Redskins' backup quarterback, and [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/08/chase_daniel_and_colt_brennan.html?wprss=dcsportsbog"]Colt Brennan is in a battle [/URL]with rookie Chase Daniel for the No. 3 job, Coach Jim Zorn said today after practice at Redskins Park.[/quote]

When I saw that last night, I almost threw up in my mouth.

Collins can't throw more than 15 yds. Maybe 30 with a tail wind.

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I think Colt really blew it with that last interception Saturday. Maybe he is hearing all the criticism of JC about being too cautious, but you can't throw it into 4 deep coverage, especially in the redzone. I am sure Marko and Chase are the front runners for the training camp hero at this point, but both really looked poised.

Is this karma for mocking, hmmmm.

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This is the right move, Collins is the best of the back ups by far. I really didnt think to much about Daniels when the Skins brought him in, but Im very satisfied with this FO move. Its great to push Colt with competition and Daniels has looked much better than I thought he would. I hope there is a way to keep both.

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I liked Chase in college, and he seems to be playing well in DC. I think this is truly going to come to the last game but that Colt has the inside track. I would much rather dump Collins and keep Colt and Chase.

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I feel horrible today. All my Raven friends are just loving on Flacco today and who do we have a bunch of nobodies.

You can argue over Campbell, Collins, Daniels, and Colt all you want but in the end we are just arguing over what piece of trash has a better shine. Unless Campbell has a second coming against the Pats I think we are in for a long year here in DC and eventually it will be the end of the Campbell/ Zorn era.

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[quote=Mattyk72;579519][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/collins-gets-nod-at-backup-qb.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Collins Gets Nod as Brennan, Daniel Battle[/URL]

For the fourth consecutive season, Todd Collins will be the Redskins' backup quarterback, and [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/08/chase_daniel_and_colt_brennan.html?wprss=dcsportsbog"]Colt Brennan is in a battle [/URL]with rookie Chase Daniel for the No. 3 job, Coach Jim Zorn said today after practice at Redskins Park.[/quote]

I thought Zorn said this a couple weeks ago too, before preseason. In fact, I am positive he clearly said TC is number 2.

Only the media (national especially) mentioned this was an open battle. It never was.

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About Chase vs Colt, I pick Chase. This is not because Chase played great couple days ago. We all know Colt did great too last year. Both threw up good numbers in college too, but we all doubt the credibility of those numbers(Colt in a weak conference, and Chase in a spread offense). In many ways their situations are similar.

Furthermore, I think Colt's struggles are not because he sucked all the sudden. It's his second year in the system, and he knows more of the book. He is thinking more and trying to play the offense, which will initially cause errors. I expect the same dropoff in Chase's performance next year too.

In conclusion I think both QBs are very similar in potential, situation, college exp, etc. The reason I pick Chase is I think his throwing mechanics and skill may be better suiting for the NFL

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[quote=hooskins;579598]I thought Zorn said this a couple weeks ago too, before preseason. In fact, I am positive he clearly said TC is number 2.

Only the media (national especially) mentioned this was an open battle. It never was.[/quote]

Nope....Zorn said it was a competition for the #2 spot, Colt just played his way out of it. Colt had a great preseason last year, but he really has that "gunslinger" mentality, and the interceptions into double coverage gets old fast.

EDIT:[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/11/AR2009081103221.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

I stand corrected he said "entering camp Collins was his backup", but Zorn left open the possibility someone else could win the job.

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Not trying to nit pick but does anyone else find it weird that everyone calls him Chase Daniels instead of Chase Daniel?

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[quote=roth74va;579600]Nope....Zorn said it was a competition for the #2 spot, Colt just played his way out of it. Colt had a great preseason last year, but he really has that "gunslinger" mentality, and the interceptions into double coverage gets old fast.

EDIT:[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/11/AR2009081103221.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

I stand corrected he said "entering camp Collins was his backup, but Zorn left open the possibility someone else could win the job."[/quote]

Thanks, I guess it is a middle ground between what we said. It was not open but he hinted if TC sucked and CB wowed then a possibility of change.

I guess my point was it was never open as the media made it seem to be. It is more of a media spun/created story of this "great" qb competition.

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I believe in Colt Brennan. I thought when the offseason began he would compete to be starter cause I thought Campbell would suck in the preseason which he has. Campbell will be a good quarterback just not in our offense (west coast offense). He is too big and is not mobile enough in the pocket although he can take off and run if he has too. Colt Brennan and Chase both move better from the center than Campbell and get to their release point quick. Their footwork seems to be much better than Campbell's. I was looking at the characteristics for the west coast offense and it said something like this: Quarterback--about 6'2 or 6'3 (Colt), quick release (Colt, Daniel), mobile(Colt, Daniel) and ability to make precise decisions and reads (Colt, Daniel). I just believe Colt has the edge simply because of his quicker release and height and he looks more like a west coast quarterback ( ala Rich Gannon) with the side arm release. That Gannon was not half bad.

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Has everyone forgotten that we won actual regular season games with Todd Collins at QB? He's clearly the right choice to be the backup and I think he's more than adequate in that role.

Forgive me for bringing this up yet again, but our problem isn't with TC or with who'll be the third QB; our problem is with the #1 QB. JC [U]must[/U] produce this season for us to win. If JC gets nicked a little and TC has to play a few games, we'll get by until JC returns. Colt and Chase are both non-factors, so feel free to pick your #3 QB based on which one's first name you like best.

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[quote=hooskins;579599]About Chase vs Colt, I pick Chase. This is not because Chase played great couple days ago. We all know Colt did great too last year. Both threw up good numbers in college too, but we all doubt the credibility of those numbers(Colt in a weak conference, and Chase in a spread offense). In many ways their situations are similar.

Furthermore, I think Colt's struggles are not because he sucked all the sudden. It's his second year in the system, and he knows more of the book. He is thinking more and trying to play the offense, which will initially cause errors. I expect the same dropoff in Chase's performance next year too.

In conclusion I think both QBs are very similar in potential, situation, college exp, etc. [B]The reason I pick Chase is I think his throwing mechanics and skill may be better suiting for the NFL[/B][/quote]

Agreed. Chase has much better mechanics than Colt. Colt's mechanics have always made me skeptical of his abilities.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;579604]Not trying to nit pick but does anyone else find it weird that everyone calls him Chase Daniels instead of Chase Daniel?[/quote]

It's getting right up there with Shawn Taylor, Sean Springs, Chad Rinedhardt, Carlos Rodgers, Greg Blanche, and Darryl Green

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[quote=hooskins;579605]Thanks, I guess it is a middle ground between what we said. It was not open but he hinted if TC sucked and CB wowed then a possibility of change.

I guess my point was it was never open as the media made it seem to be. It is more of a media spun/created story of this "great" qb competition.[/quote]

Yeah I agree, I dont think Colt ever really had a chance. Not that TC is a "world-beater", but both Colt and Chase have a long way to go before being a starting caliber QB in the NFL. Man I pray that JC can make it through another season healthy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;579620]It's getting right up there with Shawn Taylor, Sean Springs, Chad Rinedhardt, Carlos Rodgers, Greg Blanche, and [B]Darryl Green[/B][/quote]

That is the worst. ST you gotta know, but if you don't know one of our best defenders and HOFers ever then that is just sad

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I would be really surprised, and frankly a little disappointed, if Colt isn't the #3 and Chase isn't on the practice squad.

[I]But wait a minute SmootSmack, I thought you've been clamoring for Chase all summer? What gives?[/I]

Well, it's like this. Chase was a very, very good college quarterback. And even though he would tower over Eddie LeBaron, the fact is that he does have certain physical limitations (which is why he has to basically work his tail off and be a student of the game). That's not to say he doesn't have basic, physical gifts. He's quick, though not fast, and can throw on the run. And he's smart, a hard worker, and a pretty high character guy.

At the same time though, he can be pretty inconsistent, and struggles with the deep pass. He actually reminds me in many ways of Mark Brunell (I'm not talking 2004 Redskins Brunell, I'm talking 1990's Jaguars Brunell).

I don't think Chase Daniel is ready to contribute at the NFL level. But give him a year on the practice squad, let him develop some and next year could be a different story. I think Chase is a lot of of fun to watch, and can be a pretty solid back-up (not positive yet about being a starter) in the NFL, but not yet.

Not sure that Colt is ready to contribute yet either, which is disappointing quite honestly. Still, I think in many ways he is better than last year and i think it's more likely he'd get picked up if released than Chase. So I'd prefer that we keep Colt at #3 and Chase on the PS and just keep developing both of them. Ironically though, practice squad players can often get more playing time during the week than #3 QBs.

Anyway, if we had to make the decision today that's what I'd do

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[quote=SmootSmack;579641]I would be really surprised, and frankly a little disappointed, if Colt isn't the #3 and Chase isn't on the practice squad.

[I]But wait a minute SmootSmack, I thought you've been clamoring for Chase all summer? What gives?[/I]

Well, it's like this. Chase was a very, very good college quarterback. And even though he would tower over Eddie LeBaron, the fact is that he does have certain physical limitations (which is why he has to basically work his tail off and be a student of the game). That's not to say he doesn't have basic, physical gifts. He's quick, though not fast, and can throw on the run. And he's smart, a hard worker, and a pretty high character guy.

At the same time though, he can be pretty inconsistent, and struggles with the deep pass. [B]He actually reminds me in many ways of Mark Brunell (I'm not talking 2004 Redskins Brunell, I'm talking 1990's Jaguars Brunell).[/B]

I don't think Chase Daniel is ready to contribute at the NFL level. But give him a year on the practice squad, let him develop some and next year could be a different story. I think Chase is a lot of of fun to watch, and can be a pretty solid back-up (not positive yet about being a starter) in the NFL, but not yet.

Not sure that Colt is ready to contribute yet either, which is disappointing quite honestly. Still, I think in many ways he is better than last year and i think it's more likely he'd get picked up if released than Chase. So I'd prefer that we keep Colt at #3 and Chase on the PS and just keep developing both of them. Ironically though, practice squad players can often get more playing time during the week than #3 QBs.

Anyway, if we had to make the decision today that's what I'd do[/quote]

Good comparison. Both are (or were) short, scrappy, smart, run well when necessary, and struggle with the deep ball.

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I was hoping Colt would beat TC out but at this point it doesn't look like it will happen. But I agree with SS. I would keep Colt on the roster and put Daniel on the PS. I'm not ready to give up on Colt because of one INT or just because an undrafted QB had one good game in the preseason. I hope they both still get a chance to show what they can do in these last 2 games, though I would like to see a LOT of JC this Friday. I think the last preseason game will be their best chance to show their stuff and they may each have completely different results than what we've seen so far. We'll see.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;579617]Has everyone forgotten that we won actual regular season games with Todd Collins at QB? He's clearly the right choice to be the backup and I think he's more than adequate in that role.

Forgive me for bringing this up yet again, but our problem isn't with TC or with who'll be the third QB; our problem is with the #1 QB. JC [U]must[/U] produce this season for us to win. If JC gets nicked a little and TC has to play a few games, we'll get by until JC returns. Colt and Chase are both non-factors, so feel free to pick your #3 QB based on which one's first name you like best.[/quote]

I haven't forgotten. Didn't TC QB over the win against NJG? How many times has Soup done that?

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Here's my thoughts from Training Camp from the earlier thread:
20. Impressions of QBs:
-Daniel: As I mentioned earlier Daniel is no more than 5'10". He was a little wild in early drills but settled down. He has a sidearm release at times which definitely isn't good at his height. He does have good timing as his passes arrive right on time. He may stay around on the practice squad but because of his height I don't see him being an NFL QB....
- Brennan: for all the Cult of Colt who like to rave about his accuracy, he was the most inaccurate QB today. While running through the practice period of QBs throwing individual routes to the WRs with no D, here are the stats: JC 12-12 all but one pass was on the money, TC 10-10 some passes weak or behind but caught, CB 5-8 one catch was saved by the WR, CD 8-8 good timing. Also while throwing fades, CB overthrew at least three of these while JC only missed one.
That being said CB's footwork is better and it appears his throwing motion is less "backyard" and more of a proper delivery. His arm strength appears improved. Based on what I saw today I would give CB a shot at the #2, but definitely keep Collins on the roster.

Here's my thoughts after 2 preseason games on Colt & Chase. We have to keep Collins on the roster, he's a long time vet and (God forbid) if JC is injured we can count on Collins to manage the games and let the D and run game keep us in it.

Chase is more mobile than Colt. Chase is more accurate than Colt. Chase's timing is better than Colt's. Chase is a rookie, Colt is in his second year in the same system. Chase is about 4 inches shorter than Colt, but it hasn't seemed to affect his performance so far. I'm beginning to get over the height issue, if he continues his strong performances over the next two games he has more upside than Colt and we should make sure we don't lose him. Chase = Baby Brees??

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Baby Brees is probably a pretty good comparison.

If Daniel was 6-3 would he have gone undrafted? Probably not.

By the way, anyone know his real first name? Chase is actually his middle name.

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[quote=Mattyk72;579675]Baby Brees is probably a pretty good comparison.

If Daniel was 6-3 would he have gone undrafted? Probably not.

By the way, anyone know his real first name? Chase is actually his middle name.[/quote]

[url=http://www.chasedaniel.org/]Chase Daniel - Missouri Tigers Chase Daniel - Chase Daniel Stats[/url]

He won't even tell us! I do understand though, I have always gone by my middle name, by no choice of my own.

[quote]Chase Daniel Biography[B]

Chase Daniel[/B] was born on October 7, 1986, in Southlake, Texas. Chase Daniel is an American football quarterback. Chase Daniel is currently in his junior year at the University of Missouri, where he is starting at quarterback for the Missouri Tigers. Chase Daniel prepped at newly famed Carroll High School in Southlake, Texas, where the team won a 5A Division II state title in 2004 and runner up in 2003. After playing his sophomore year at wide receiver, Chase Daniel was a two-year starter at QB, leading his team to a 31-1 record. As a starting QB, Chase Daniel completed 65.2% of his passes for 8,298 yards and 91 touchdowns and added 2,954 rushing yards and 39 scores. Southlake earned a No. 1 national ranking in 2004 after winning the 5A state championship, while Chase Daniel won the 5A state Player of the Year.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk72;579675]Baby Brees is probably a pretty good comparison.

If Daniel was 6-3 would he have gone undrafted? Probably not.

By the way, anyone know his real first name? Chase is actually his middle name.[/quote]

I know it. Do you?

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First of all, I have to admit I'm biased about Chase Daniels. I'm a Mizzou fan and watched him his whole career at Mizzou. The only knock on Chase Daniels is his height. He has tremendous football instincts. He reads defenses well, knows when to take off running and when to dump the ball off. He is accurate and his touch is as good as anyone's. His arm strength is average. He has a body build more like a running back, very strong lower body. It's questionable if he can be a NFL quarterback, but the same was said of Drew Brees or Jeff Garcia. So far, he is looking like the best long term prospect for the Skins. I think another team will pick him up if he is placed on waivers. Colt needs to pick up his play in my opinion.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;579699]First of all, I have to admit I'm biased about Chase Daniels. I'm a Mizzou fan and watched him his whole career at Mizzou. The only knock on Chase Daniels is his height. He has tremendous football instincts. He reads defenses well, knows when to take off running and when to dump the ball off. He is accurate and his touch is as good as anyone's. His arm strength is average. He has a body build more like a running back, very strong lower body. It's questionable if he can be a NFL quarterback, but the same was said of Drew Brees or Jeff Garcia. So far, he is looking like the best long term prospect for the Skins. I think another team will pick him up if he is placed on waivers. Colt needs to pick up his play in my opinion.[/quote]

So even a Mizzou fan calls him "Daniels" huh? How can we expect Theismann to do any better?

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[quote=SmootSmack;579684]I know it. Do you?[/quote]I would love to know. I have been googling it for about ten minutes and have found nothing. He has been pretty good at keeping this a secret so far. Is it Jack? Maybe someday we could have a Colt Koolaid followed by a Daniel(s) chaser.

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[quote=sc skins fan;579700]so even a mizzou fan calls him "daniels" huh? How can we expect theismann to do any better?[/quote]

lol :)

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[quote=gibbsisgod;579702]I would love to know. I have been googling it for about ten minutes and have found nothing. He has been pretty good at keeping this a secret so far. Is it Jack? Maybe someday we could have a Colt Koolaid followed by a Daniel(s) chaser.[/quote]

Ha, maybe it should be Jack...but it's not. Check out my custom user title

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[quote=roth74va;579600]Nope....Zorn said it was a competition for the #2 spot, Colt just played his way out of it. Colt had a great preseason last year, but he really has that "gunslinger" mentality, [B]and the interceptions into double coverage gets old fast.[/B]

EDIT:[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/11/AR2009081103221.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

I stand corrected he said "entering camp Collins was his backup", but Zorn left open the possibility someone else could win the job.[/quote]

The last one was double coverage. the first was the wr ran about a 10yd comeback route and the db was over him and as the wr cut back inside his head was down and he just never saw the ball as the db jumped in front of him.

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Man I see a ton of excusses for the performance of certain QB's on this team and right now both look like crap.