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SmootSmack 08-26-2009 05:39 PM

Two Guys, One Cut
 
So in some cases below, both players may make the team and in some cases neither may.

But let's suppose you had to make the call. If you had to make a decision today, which of the two guys would you cut?

Remember...this isn't how you think would be cut. This is who you would cut (and that, of course, would include putting someone on the practice squad)

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
I'd put Chase on the practice squad. He'll be starting for us in 2011 though :)

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
Better the devil you know, cut Rayner

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
I can't find a spot for Mason, so I'll cut him. I really like what I saw of Dorsey the other day both as a back and especially on special teams

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
I'd cut Clark and maybe put Williams on the PUP list until mid-season

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd cut Thomas, I think Glenn can add special teams value. I had high hopes for Thomas this summer, but haven't seen much

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)[/B]
I'd cut Wynn, give his playing time to Jarmon

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
I'd cut Westbrook because I haven't been able to figure what he offers beyond telling us his brother won't play against us

KLHJ2 08-26-2009 05:44 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Classy Title...:vomit: I will submit the following for cuts.

Colt...Suprised? Ask me later.

Dave

Both keep Rock

Mike

Thomas

All three

Westbrook

wilsowilso 08-26-2009 05:53 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
I had somehow managed to bury it away in my subconscious.

Now it awakes. The horror.

Keep-

Chase -seems like he is the first young QB to really get Jim Zorn.
Suish. - Least worse option
Dorsey and Rock
Williams
Glenn
None of the three(maybe Jackson)
Tryon - Least worst option

GTripp0012 08-26-2009 06:03 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
Eh. Colt cause he's old. Neither is necessarily deserving, but Chase Daniel has that 3-5% chance of becoming our franchise QB. If Colt gets his time next year, he'll already be 26 or 27. Can't develop that.

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
[/B]Dave Rayner because Suisham isn't ungodly awful on kickoffs and has decent accuracy numbers over his career.
[B]
Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
Mason becuase Dorsey's value added on Punt Returns makes him valuable to us. Mason gives us an explosive runner out of the backfield, but there's no playing time on this team for someone like that.

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
Both. I'd keep Edwin Williams instead as a backup C/G, and I'd make Rinehart the emergency LT.

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd have to cut Glenn given this choice because Thomas seems like the only quailty backup WLB we have on the roster, but truth is, I'd maybe oust Fincher so that we could see a year of Glenn hitting people on special teams.

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
[/B]Buzbee, I guess. I like the idea of having Wynn back up an injury prone player Daniels, so that they don't have to force Jarmon onto the field. Wynn is an easy mid-season cut if Jarmon earns his way onto the field, and I think Buzbee is still PS eligible. I like Jackson's development to this point too much to let him go before his second season.

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
Westbrook. Tryon hasn't shown much, but better to flash skill in practice than to not have it at all.

Lotus 08-26-2009 06:12 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=SmootSmack;580287]So in some cases below, both players may make the team and in some cases neither may.

But let's suppose you had to make the call. If you had to make a decision today, which of the two guys would you cut?

Remember...this isn't how you think would be cut. This is who you would cut (and that, of course, would include putting someone on the practice squad)

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
I'd put Chase on the practice squad. He'll be starting for us in 2011 though :)

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
Better the devil you know, cut Rayner

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
I can't find a spot for Mason, so I'll cut him. I really like what I saw of Dorsey the other day both as a back and especially on special teams

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
I'd cut Clark and maybe put Williams on the PUP list until mid-season

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd cut Thomas, I think Glenn can add special teams value. I had high hopes for Thomas this summer, but haven't seen much

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)[/B]
I'd cut Wynn, give his playing time to Jarmon

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
I'd cut Westbrook because I haven't been able to figure what he offers beyond telling us his brother won't play against us[/quote]

I agree with all of your choices except Clark/Williams. I'd tell Big Mike, "Nice try, but sorry" and try to develop Clark more.

GridIron26 08-26-2009 06:15 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
I agree w/ GTripp and Lotus, as well..

DBUCHANON101 08-26-2009 07:36 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
In the Daniel vs Brennan saga hopefully the loser is released after this game. It will be early enough for the other to find a spot with many teams looking for backup QB's or in a case like SF maybe even a starter. Hill and Smith have both been horrid.

SBXVII 08-26-2009 07:42 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
My keepers:

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan:[/B] I'd like to say keep both and ditch Collins. Maybe keep Chase and put Colt on practice squad. Other teams I'm sure see him as wreckless and takes chances. They might over look him on the PS.

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner:[/B] Suisham, we know what we have in him. With a decent holder he's not bad.

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here):[/B] Portis, Betts, and Rock are all supposedly similar runners. I'd keep Mason and Dorsey and cut Betts who's getting older and more injury prone and Rock who is only a KR technically. Mason could be groomed for the future after Portis and Dorsey could do KR/PR and be the speed back.

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams:[/B] This is my risky pick. I'd take MW. Clark has had his time and not shown much to me. MW has heart at this point.

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas:[/B] I think I would take Glenn here also. Lets see what he's got.

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here):[/B] Flip a coin. Buzbee's younger. I'll take Buzbee.

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook:[/B] I bad mouthed Westbrook since he's been here. 3 yrs on the PS. Tryon was not bad last yr and showed he could be something, but last two games Tryon looks pitiful and Westbrook actually looked half good last game. I'd still pick Tryon or bump up Barnes.

Chico23231 08-26-2009 08:00 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan
I need more Chase like I need more cowbell. Need to see the rest of the preseason to strengthen this feelin. Colt to practice team.

Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
Keepin Suisham, he will be gone after this season thank god.

Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)
Dorsey played great, I hope he makes the team. Bye Marcus
Devin Clark or Mike Williams
This is a toss up, id probably cut Clark. Some much freakin attention been given to Mike, lets keep this guy, but I feel he will disappoint in the end.

Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas
Id stay with the vet here. Worry bout OLB depth. Cody can become a practice squid.
Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
Cut Wynn and Buzbee and keep Rob Jackson at this point.

Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook
Stayin with Tryon

Gmanc711 08-26-2009 08:21 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan
I'd like to put Daniel on the practice squad and let them go at it next year again. If I have to cut one, I'm still cutting Daniel.

Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
I really wish it would be Suisham, but Rayner will get cut.

Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)
Mason. Cartwright will not get cut because of kick returns, and nor should he.

Devin Clark or Mike Williams
Clark.

Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas
I'd cut Thomas. But I'll be honest, I couldnt pick either of these guys out of a lineup right now.

Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
I really like the guy, but Wynn is the guy to go.

Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook
I'd cut them both. Other than Byron playing Brian in practice when we play the Eagles, neither of these guys do anything for me...

GMScud 08-27-2009 02:10 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=Angry;580288][B]Classy Title...:vomit: I will submit the following for cuts.[/B]

Colt...Suprised? Ask me later.

Dave

Both keep Rock

Mike

Thomas

All three

Westbrook[/quote]

LOL. The first thing I thought of when I read the thread title. For those of you familiar with 2 Girls 1 Cup, the song below is absolutely hilarious.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxp3zqIqO68"]YouTube - 2 Girls 1 Cup Song[/ame]

DBUCHANON101 08-27-2009 02:36 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=GTripp0012;580292][B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
[B]Eh. Colt cause he's old. Neither is necessarily deserving, but Chase Daniel has that 3-5% chance of becoming our franchise QB. If Colt gets his time next year, he'll already be 26 or 27. Can't develop that.[/B][B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
[/B]Dave Rayner because Suisham isn't ungodly awful on kickoffs and has decent accuracy numbers over his career.
[B]
Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
Mason becuase Dorsey's value added on Punt Returns makes him valuable to us. Mason gives us an explosive runner out of the backfield, but there's no playing time on this team for someone like that.

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
Both. I'd keep Edwin Williams instead as a backup C/G, and I'd make Rinehart the emergency LT.

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd have to cut Glenn given this choice because Thomas seems like the only quailty backup WLB we have on the roster, but truth is, I'd maybe oust Fincher so that we could see a year of Glenn hitting people on special teams.

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
[/B]Buzbee, I guess. I like the idea of having Wynn back up an injury prone player Daniels, so that they don't have to force Jarmon onto the field. Wynn is an easy mid-season cut if Jarmon earns his way onto the field, and I think Buzbee is still PS eligible. I like Jackson's development to this point too much to let him go before his second season.

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
Westbrook. Tryon hasn't shown much, but better to flash skill in practice than to not have it at all.[/quote]

Isnt JC 27, soon to be 28 this December? So if he doesnt do it this yr another team shouldnt waste their time in hopes of "developing" his talents. COMEON MAN!!! :) . CB and JC are close in age,JC is a yr + a few months older so -IF- we did keep CB till next yr he would be on the same experience level in this offense and a yr younger. really no difference -experience and age wise- in what we are looking at now with JC.

GTripp0012 08-27-2009 07:07 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=DBUCHANON101;580394]Isnt JC 27, soon to be 28 this December? So if he doesnt do it this yr another team shouldnt waste their time in hopes of "developing" his talents. COMEON MAN!!! :) . CB and JC are close in age,JC is a yr + a few months older so -IF- we did keep CB till next yr he would be on the same experience level in this offense and a yr younger. really no difference -experience and age wise- in what we are looking at now with JC.[/quote]Well, Campbell has been developed since 2005. September 13th is the end of that development stage and the beginning of his "prime". Colt's development stage would last until 2012, or roughly until he's 30.

That's assuming though, that Colt is normal like the rest of us. If he's super human, just play him now.

GTripp0012 08-27-2009 07:14 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Laugh out loud at the thread title, btw.

#56fanatic 08-27-2009 07:22 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
I can't believe all the cut Colt stuff on here. Chase goes out and plays one decent quarter and now Colt is the one that has to go?? I remember all the "let Colt play" crap from last year. I personally wouldn't keep either if I had the choice. Neither is going to be a franchise QB. Yeah, their nice to watch fling the ball against guys that will be bagging your groceries next week, but no way they are legit starters. But, if I had to play along in this scenario, Daniels cut or practice squad and keep Colt as #3.

NYCskinfan82 08-27-2009 08:23 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=#56fanatic;580420]I can't believe all the cut Colt stuff on here. Chase goes out and plays one decent quarter and now Colt is the one that has to go?? I remember all the "let Colt play" crap from last year. [B]I personally wouldn't keep either if I had the choice. Neither is going to be a franchise QB. Yeah, their nice to watch fling the ball against guys that will be bagging your groceries next week, but no way they are legit starters[/B]. But, if I had to play along in this scenario, Daniels cut or practice squad and keep Colt as #3.[/quote]

Speak the truth my brother.

MTK 08-27-2009 08:26 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan
Cut Colt

Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
Cut Rayner

Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)
Cut Mason

Devin Clark or Mike Williams
Cut Clark

Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas
Cut Thomas

Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
Cut Wynn

Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook
Cut Westbrook

CRedskinsRule 08-27-2009 08:53 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Didn't Kurt Warner bag groceries ;)

Ruhskins 08-27-2009 09:03 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=#56fanatic;580420]I can't believe all the cut Colt stuff on here. [B]Chase goes out and plays one decent quarter and now Colt is the one that has to go??[/B] I remember all the "let Colt play" crap from last year. I personally wouldn't keep either if I had the choice. Neither is going to be a franchise QB. Yeah, their nice to watch fling the ball against guys that will be bagging your groceries next week, but no way they are legit starters. But, if I had to play along in this scenario, Daniels cut or practice squad and keep Colt as #3.[/quote]

If memory serves me right, the same thing happened to Colt. Which is why I find this whole Colt vs. Chase laughable. The Cult of Colt easily forgets that Colt became a fan favorite by his play in the preseason, yet they are up in arms about it when another QB is doing well this preseason and their beloved Colt is sucking it up.

That being said, I do think that both QBs need another shot before it is decided who gets cut. But if Chase continues to play well and Colt continues to struggle, then keep Chase. Regardless, this is just the 3rd string QB, and if we want our team to win, we should hope that the 3rd stringer doesn't see the field.

MTK 08-27-2009 09:12 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=Ruhskins;580445]If memory serves me right, the same thing happened to Colt. Which is why I find this whole Colt vs. Chase laughable. [B]The Cult of Colt easily forgets that Colt became a fan favorite by his play in the preseason, yet they are up in arms about it when another QB is doing well this preseason and their beloved Colt is sucking it up.[/B]

That being said, I do think that both QBs need another shot before it is decided who gets cut. But if Chase continues to play well and Colt continues to struggle, then keep Chase. Regardless, this is just the 3rd string QB, and if we want our team to win, we should hope that the 3rd stringer doesn't see the field.[/quote]

The irony is quite delicious isn't it?

You just have to laugh at the fickle nature of fans in general. A month ago people were clamoring for Colt to be the #2, hell even the starter by some real dreamers. Now he's predicted by the majority to be cut in favor of an undrafted FA. You've just gotta laugh and not take this too seriously.

redskinfan401 08-27-2009 09:14 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
Colt

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
Rayner, Suisham will be better this year

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey[/B]
Mason, Dorsey's much more valuable on ST

Devin Clark or Mike Williams
Williams, he's going to be injured alot

Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas
Thomas, see if Glenn shows something on ST

Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
Wynn, he just hasn't looked very good (although neither have either of the others really)

Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook
Westbrook

dmek25 08-27-2009 09:25 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=GMScud;580393]LOL. The first thing I thought of when I read the thread title. For those of you familiar with 2 Girls 1 Cup, the song below is absolutely hilarious.
[/quote]
you beat me to it. smooty is getting pretty creative with these titles :)

Monkeydad 08-27-2009 10:07 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=Angry;580288]Classy Title...:vomit: I will submit the following for cuts.

Colt...Suprised? Ask me later.

Dave

Both keep Rock

Mike

Thomas

All three

Westbrook[/quote]

I did not even think of that title until YOU mentioned it...sicko.

Thankfully I have never seen this movie people are talking about and puking over. I'm not a masochist, so I've avoided it.

Well, maybe being a Skins fan during the 90s was being a bit masochistic, but that's a different story.

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
Cut Chase, PS if possible.

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
Cut Shanksham

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
Cut Mason, Dorsey can return kicks

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
Cut Clark

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
Cut Glenn

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)[/B]
Cut Wynn hesitantly, great guy for many years, but a slowing 12-year vet vs. a promising guy with 1 season played...gotta plan for the future

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
Cut Westbrook

BigHairedAristocrat 08-27-2009 10:58 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Great post!

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
I’m really torn here because, chances are, whichever of these guys we cut is going to promptly end up on the practice squad… and immediately signed by another team. Colt Brennan has too much “hype” to last and Daniel has performed too well to go unnoticed. Daniel’s performance last week was amazing, but so was Colt’s last year. However, in the end, I’d cut Colt. Everything I read about Colt make me feel like he’s cocky and thinks too much of himself. Now, having “moxy” is good, but a guy fighting for a 3rd QB spot shouldn’t be overconfident. Chase Daniel has worked hard his entire career to overcome his height. I’ll take a hard worker over a cocky kid any day of the week. Add to that, the fact that Chase is FOUR YEARS younger than Colt and the decision becomes a no-brainer. At this point, I’d rather lose Colt than Chase.

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
“Better the devil you know, cut Rayner” – I agree with Smoot here.

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
I think we have to find a way to keep Dorsey, but I would try not to do it at Rock’s expense. If it came down to it, though, I’d do it. Our starting RB is almost 28 and entering his 8th year and both our current backups (Rock and Betts) will be 30 during the season. We need to get some youth and explosion at the position. Dorsey’s contribution to the return game alone makes him worthy of a roster spot. We would definitely take a hit on special teams, with the loss of Thrash and Rock the same year, but it would be worth it.

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
I’d cut Clark. Williams has too much potential. He’s not where we need him to be yet, but we’ve got to take the gamble our starting Ts staying healthy until atleast week 5. Williams should be ready by then.

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
Glenn has impressed me so far. Thomas… has he even gotten on the field? No-brainer here. Bye bye Thomas

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)[/B]
I honestly don’t think any of these guys makes the roster. Also, remember, Lorenzo Alexander is a DE now. Given that Orakpo will be playing DE about 30% of the time, I think we only go with 9 DL this year: Carter (DE), Griffin (DT), Haynesworth (DT), Daniels (DT/DE), Golston (DT), Montgommery (DT), Alexander (DT/DE), Jarmon (DT), and… drumroll…. Skolnitsky(DT/DE). Atleast, that’s what I’d do. There’s no doubt in my mind Blache will keep Wynn. Jackson and Skolnitsky will go to the PS and If we’re lucky, one of them will stick - but I doubt it.

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
Tryon. Don’t think an explanation is necessary.

celts32 08-27-2009 11:01 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan
I keep Colt and try and get Chase on the practice squad.

Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
I would cut Suisham...I have been done with him since the 30 yard miss in Seattle that in my mind cost us a playoff game.

Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)
Cut Mason...he brings nothing to the table that Portis and Betts do not already do better.

Devin Clark or Mike Williams
I'd cut Clark and see this Mike Williams project through till the end.

Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas
Cut Thomas but I don't have a strong feeling on this one.

Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
Definitely cut Wynn...he's old and plays no significant role so why not keep someone younger.

Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook
Definitely keep Tryon...Westbrook has been lurking around here for years and has never done anything. I am not thrilled with Tryon but I would keep him one more season and see what happens.

hail_2_da_skins 08-27-2009 11:13 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Here are my cuts:
[B]Colt Brennan[/B] - I am biased. I think Chase has all the tools to be a NFL quarterback.
[B]Dave Rayner[/B] - Neither have done anything to win the job. I might get a free agent.
[B]Marcus Mason[/B] - Domonique Dorsey should be the Redskins punter returner.
[B]Devin Clark and Mike Williams[/B] - I would cut both and find another offensive lineman that was released by another team.
[B]Cody Glenn[/B] - I consistently see Robert Thomas #55 around the ball on special teams.
[B]Rob Jackson[/B] - Renaldo Wynn is on the fence. Alex Buzbee is a keeper.
[B]Justin Tryon[/B] - This kid is a defensive liability. NFL wide receivers are too big these days to have a midget at cornerback.

over the mountain 08-27-2009 11:44 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=GTripp0012;580292]
[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
Mason becuase Dorsey's value added on Punt Returns makes him valuable to us. Mason gives us an explosive runner out of the backfield, but there's no playing time on this team for someone like that.

[/quote]

For all the talk at the end of last year of how we needed a speedy change of pace back to compliment portis like a sproles, im surprised so many want to cut mason.

with that being said, id let the next 2 games decide whether to keep rock, mason or dorsey. i havent really gotten a chance to watch the preseason as much as i would like and i love rock's heart but id like to see a different name as our 3rd rb. last year zorn brought in alexander which may have been zorn doing him a professional favor by allowing him to audition for other nfl teams or be an indication he doesnt want to rely on the rock if injuries hit hard.

go skins!

GTripp0012 08-27-2009 11:52 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=over the mountain;580502]For all the talk at the end of last year of how we needed a speedy change of pace back to compliment portis like a sproles, im surprised so many want to cut mason.

with that being said, id let the next 2 games decide whether to keep rock, mason or dorsey. i havent really gotten a chance to watch the preseason as much as i would like and i love rock's heart but id like to see a different name as our 3rd rb. last year zorn brought in alexander which may have been zorn doing him a professional favor by allowing him to audition for other nfl teams or be an indication he doesnt want to rely on the rock if injuries hit hard.

go skins![/quote]Good point, but I think it comes down to the economy of roster spots. If we keep either Mason or Dorsey, then we can't keep Eddie Williams, a 6th receiver (Hackett?), or a 10th lineman (Mike Williams?). So if you do keep that 4th RB, you want to make sure that he has a role on a team where both Portis and Betts are healthy AND have the ability to be a change of pace back if one should get hurt.

Which is why Dorsey makes sense IMO. Mason has a huge playing role in the second scenario, but is more of an inactive player type in the first.

SmootSmack 08-27-2009 11:58 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=over the mountain;580502]For all the talk at the end of last year of how we needed a speedy change of pace back to compliment portis like a sproles, im surprised so many want to cut mason.[/quote]

I would think Dorsey is a lot more like Sproles than Mason is

MTK 08-27-2009 12:01 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=SmootSmack;580511]I would think Dorsey is a lot more like Sproles than Mason is[/quote]

I'd agree.

Mason isn't what I would call a change of pace back.

If we keep one of these guys, Dorsey makes a lot more sense since he can play teams.

Lotus 08-27-2009 12:08 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=GTripp0012;580505]Good point, but I think it comes down to the economy of roster spots. If we keep either Mason or Dorsey, then we can't keep Eddie Williams, a 6th receiver (Hackett?), or a 10th lineman (Mike Williams?). So if you do keep that 4th RB, you want to make sure that he has a role on a team where both Portis and Betts are healthy AND have the ability to be a change of pace back if one should get hurt.

[B]Which is why Dorsey makes sense IMO.[/B] Mason has a huge playing role in the second scenario, but is more of an inactive player type in the first.[/quote]

Agreed. I hope in the next couple of games Dorsey gets more work both as a returner and in the backfield.

over the mountain 08-27-2009 12:18 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=SmootSmack;580511]I would think Dorsey is a lot more like Sproles than Mason is[/quote]

yeah thats what i thought too. just havent watched enough for me to make a somewhat informed opinion.

gtripp - as much as i hate saying this i would cut rock to make the roster space. i've been a huge rock fan ever since he personally apologized to the whole locker room after fumbling the ball on the goaline against the cowboys years ago. showed real heart and accountability but i think his time with the skins may be over even if he is a skin at heart.

on special teams rock returns kick offs by running full steam ahead which i assume dorsey can do just as well since thats, to my understanding, why we broght him here from the cfl.

but can dorsey make tackles on special teams coverage?
is rock the vocal leader and on-field coach of the special teams coverage?
if dorsey does ST coverage, will the man's body hold up to the beating and still stay explosive?

GTripp0012 08-27-2009 12:28 PM

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[quote=over the mountain;580525]yeah thats what i thought too. just havent watched enough for me to make a somewhat informed opinion.

gtripp - as much as i hate saying this i would cut rock to make the roster space. i've been a huge rock fan ever since he personally apologized to the whole locker room after fumbling the ball on the goaline against the cowboys years ago. showed real heart and accountability but i think his time with the skins may be over even if he is a skin at heart.

on special teams rock returns kick offs by running full steam ahead which i assume dorsey can do just as well since thats, to my understanding, why we broght him here from the cfl.

but can dorsey make tackles on special teams coverage?
is rock the vocal leader and on-field coach of the special teams coverage?
if dorsey does ST coverage, will the man's body hold up to the beating and still stay explosive?[/quote]I'd agree with Rock's release on the principle of roster space economy, but I don't think this team is better off with Dorsey or Mason in his place. I think we can keep 4 RB if we want a change of pace back and punt returner, but without Rock, now we're losing something tangible in the KR game in that few are better, and we're trying to replace everything else he does as well.

skinsfan69 08-27-2009 01:15 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
The regular season can't get here soon enough.

Paintrain 08-27-2009 02:59 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
[quote=SmootSmack;580287]So in some cases below, both players may make the team and in some cases neither may.

But let's suppose you had to make the call. If you had to make a decision today, which of the two guys would you cut?

Remember...this isn't how you think would be cut. This is who you would cut (and that, of course, would include putting someone on the practice squad)

[B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
I'd put Chase on the practice squad. He'll be starting for us in 2011 though :)

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner[/B]
Better the devil you know, cut Rayner

[B]Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
I can't find a spot for Mason, so I'll cut him. I really like what I saw of Dorsey the other day both as a back and especially on special teams

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
I'd cut Clark and maybe put Williams on the PUP list until mid-season

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd cut Thomas, I think Glenn can add special teams value. I had high hopes for Thomas this summer, but haven't seen much

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)[/B]
I'd cut Wynn, give his playing time to Jarmon

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
I'd cut Westbrook because I haven't been able to figure what he offers beyond telling us his brother won't play against us[/quote]

I agree with all of them but Wynn and Buzbee. I'd cut both of them and keep Jackson.

CultBrennan59 08-27-2009 03:21 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;580292][B]Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan[/B]
Eh. Colt cause he's old. Neither is necessarily deserving, but Chase Daniel has that 3-5% chance of becoming our franchise QB. If Colt gets his time next year, he'll already be 26 or 27. Can't develop that.

[B]Shaun Suisham or Dave Rayner
[/B]Dave Rayner because Suisham isn't ungodly awful on kickoffs and has decent accuracy numbers over his career.
[B]
Marcus Mason or Domonique Dorsey (I'll add Rock Cartwright here)[/B]
Mason becuase Dorsey's value added on Punt Returns makes him valuable to us. Mason gives us an explosive runner out of the backfield, but there's no playing time on this team for someone like that.

[B]Devin Clark or Mike Williams[/B]
Both. I'd keep Edwin Williams instead as a backup C/G, and I'd make Rinehart the emergency LT.

[B]Cody Glenn or Robert Thomas[/B]
I'd have to cut Glenn given this choice because Thomas seems like the only quailty backup WLB we have on the roster, but truth is, I'd maybe oust Fincher so that we could see a year of Glenn hitting people on special teams.

[B]Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee (I'll add Rob Jackson here)
[/B]Buzbee, I guess. I like the idea of having Wynn back up an injury prone player Daniels, so that they don't have to force Jarmon onto the field. Wynn is an easy mid-season cut if Jarmon earns his way onto the field, and I think Buzbee is still PS eligible. I like Jackson's development to this point too much to let him go before his second season.

[B]Justin Tryon or Bryon Westbrook[/B]
Westbrook. Tryon hasn't shown much, but better to flash skill in practice than to not have it at all.[/quote]

what matters about colt tho is how much his body has taken, hit wise, than age wise..tony romo started for dallas at 27

WaldSkins 08-27-2009 10:39 PM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
This could be the best thread title ever.

Monkeydad 08-28-2009 10:20 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
Not really...

irish 08-28-2009 10:37 AM

Re: Two Guys, One Cut
 
The guy I would let go at QB is Collins. I know that aint gonna happen but this team isnt going anywhere and I'd rather keep 2 young QBs that could develop instead of an old one that isnt a part of the future.

Big30 08-28-2009 06:23 PM

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I think we cut both kickers and sign
matt stover Baltimore and DC are the same when it comes to wind and inclimate weather I'm just so tired of making every field goal seem like it's do or die even when it is 25 yards out


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