Anthony Montgomery Angry about demotion
 

I read the article below about top 10 trades that need to happen and it mentions this tidbit:
"5. DT Anthony Montgomery to the Panthers: Ever since the Panthers lost mountain man Maake Kemoeatu at defensive tackle, GM Marty Hurney has been looking for a big replacement. Washington's Montgomery is 6-foot-6, 320 pounds and very unhappy about being demoted from the starting lineup with the arrival of Albert Haynesworth. "

Is this true? What do you guys think? do you make a trade and if so for what?
I say no cause Griffin only has like a year left in him and Montgomery is the future.


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Re: Anthony Montgomery Angry about demotion
 

First I have heard of it.

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Actually the article says he is very unhappy, not angry.

All he has to do is play his ass off and make the Skins realize they can live without Griffin next year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;583029]Actually the article says he is very unhappy, not angry.

All he has to do is play his ass off and make the Skins realize they can live without Griffin next year.[/quote]

yeah, Griff is long in the tooth & while still effective, has a history of naggin injuries. I would hate to see Monty go, but if the Pack makes an offer that vinny can't refuse...
(actually I don't know if that's a good standard)

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Wasn't there an article a few days ago about Montgomery and Golsten, stating that they were both taking their backup roles in stride? That's a far cry from being very unhappy.

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Besides, Monty isn't going to the Panthers. Late yesterday they traded for Cleveland's DT for an undisclosed pick.

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[quote=Southpaw;583033]Wasn't there an article a few days ago about Montgomery and Golsten, stating that they were both taking their backup roles in stride? That's a far cry from being very unhappy.[/quote]

Yeah they said Monty said he was a bit upset at first, but then embraced the role.

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[quote=Southpaw;583033]Wasn't there an article a few days ago about Montgomery and Golsten, stating that they were both taking their backup roles in stride? That's a far cry from being very unhappy.[/quote]

Yeah, but it definitely seemed like Monty wasn't exactly thrilled about it. I don't know, the tone of his quotes kind of came off like he wasn't really pleased that he won't be in the lineup as much.

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There's a silver lining in this story, although it's all just speculation; we have enough depth that such a trade can even be considered.

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[quote=Southpaw;583033]Wasn't there an article a few days ago about Montgomery and Golsten, stating that they were both taking their backup roles in stride? That's a far cry from being very unhappy.[/quote]
Yes there was and these reporters just look for stuff to write about because they have pages they have to fill with something.

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[quote=freddyg12;583045]There's a silver lining in this story, although it's all just speculation; we have enough depth that such a trade can even be considered.[/quote]

Yupp, I like the depth so we can keep people rotating. Word is that AH is getting winded and is not in the best of shape.

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[quote=hooskins;583048]Yupp, I like the depth so we can keep people rotating. Word is that AH is getting winded and is not in the best of shape.[/quote]

Who is saying that?

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We have 3 good DTs and one stud. Keep a rotation going so we can keep these guys fresh. Don't trade Montgomery away.

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If he is upset then maybe he can work harder to improve and give the coaches no option but to play or start him. There is no entitlement other than [I]earning[/I] the position.

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I like that he's upset! It shows that he cares. It shows that he wants to be the best around here. He better not demand a trade though! He better prove to all of us why he thinks he's better than Haynesworth. It won't be that hard either. All he has to do is bellyflop Romo ONCE! Knock that gay grin off his face! THATS IT!

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Well I am pretty sure that I heard Montgomery came into camp out of shape. How do you come into camp out of shape when they have brought in the Big Fella? Is he even ahead of Golston right now?

Now Griff tends to get nicked, the Big Fella gets tired after two plays in a row, and Blache always runs the linemen in and out frequently so Monty should get plenty of playing time this year.

I do not want him traded to the Panthers. We play them this year and could possibly play them down the road. Now if they want to throw us a first rounder, that might be a different story...

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[quote=Mattyk72;583050]Who is saying that?[/quote]I've been hearing that on The Sports Reporters on 980 for at least a week. Plus, there was that thing with the rams center running his mouth about AH a few weeks ago.

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The Rams player was referring to him wearing down during the course of a game. I'm just wondering about this talk about him being out of shape right now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;583050]Who is saying that?[/quote]

I heard on espn 980, that doc. walker has noticed this every game during while reporting on sidelines. Theisman agreed with Doc as well, but said he hopes AH will be good by season start.

The beat reporter for 1067 (chris something) was saying the same thing.
Take it for what its worth.

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At his size I have no doubt he will get winded from time to time, but is this anything new?

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[quote=Mattyk72;583084]At his size I have no doubt he will get winded from time to time, but is this anything new?[/quote]

Maybe, but from their tone it was more of concern rather than what we should expect.

At least my understanding.

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That report on RI that said AH was winded during the Pitt. game because of a "tight jersey" sounded pretty weak to me. How can a jersey be tight enough over shoulder pads that it can "constrain" breathing, which is what AH or the skins were saying?

AH might be out of shape & his knee might not be ready for lots of work. They might be rotating more than we'd like.

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I am not 100% sold that Montgomery and Golsten are our future. They are good, don't get me wrong. But they are not great. They are good in spurts. They are not consistent. While good DT are hard to come by, I would not be crushed if we traded him for something of value.

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[quote=Mattyk72;583050]Who is saying that?[/quote]

It was all over sports radio yesterday. But I didn't need to listen to the radio cause I saw him loafing on several play against NE. He looked horribly out of shape. I know it's only pre season but so far I'm not impressed w/ Haynesworth.

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[quote=freddyg12;583092]That report on RI that said AH was winded during the Pitt. game because of a "tight jersey" sounded pretty weak to me. How can a jersey be tight enough over shoulder pads that it can "constrain" breathing, which is what AH or the skins were saying?

AH might be out of shape & his knee might not be ready for lots of work. They might be rotating more than we'd like.[/quote]

I took it as the jersey was too tight in the chest area

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Monty has been solid but nothing special. Maybe the demotion will motivate him to reach his full potential. I don't think he's going anywhere. We need him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;583101]It was all over sports radio yesterday. But I didn't need to listen to the radio cause I saw him loafing on several play against NE. He looked horribly out of shape. I know it's only pre season but so far I'm not impressed w/ Haynesworth.[/quote]
Thats a huge overexaggeration, yes he looked winded but he wasn't about to pass out on the sideline. I'm very impressed with him. He consistently takes on 2 to 3 defenders allowing for others to make plays. I hate the fact that since he doesnt make the "ooh aaah" play people will not see him for the value he truly brings.

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You know what I always say....Don't get mad, get better.

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I mean what does Montgomery think? They bring in the best DT in the league and he should start over him? And when Griffin is 100% he's a good bit better than Monty as well. Matty got it right, Monty needs to show that he can step in and start next to big Al next year when Griff will likely be elsewhere.

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[quote=stu_nna;583113]Thats a huge overexaggeration, yes he looked winded but he wasn't about to pass out on the sideline. I'm very impressed with him. He consistently takes on 2 to 3 defenders allowing for others to make plays. [B]I hate the fact that since he doesnt make the "ooh aaah" play people will not see him for the value he truly brings[/B].[/quote]

I agree. If he's not making the "ooh aaah" plays, he's definitely helping someone else make them. Doc was saying that if he wants to be like Reggie White he may have to get in better shape because Reggie played every down. If he's playing at 350, maybe he should be at 330-335. He also said at this point in the season it's too late but the coaches may want to talk to him in the future about what it would take to be like Reggie if that's what he really wants. Only AH can decide that. As it is, the guy is pushing 600 lbs. around on every play. Sometimes more. If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs. As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.

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[quote=stu_nna;583113]Thats a huge overexaggeration, yes he looked winded but he wasn't about to pass out on the sideline. I'm very impressed with him. He consistently takes on 2 to 3 defenders allowing for others to make plays. I hate the fact that since he doesnt make the "ooh aaah" play people will not see him for the value he truly brings.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=53Fan;583133] [B]If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs.[/B] As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.[/quote]

Agreed

Im worried that our other linemen aren't capable of it (in terms of getting to the qb)

Orakpo will certainly help...but we dont have any other threat to the qb that I see

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[quote=diehardskin2982;583000] do you make a trade and if so for what?
I say no cause Griffin only has like a year left in him and Montgomery is the future.
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I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to trade Monty.

Monty is a good young DT he would be starting material on other teams.
And unless we were given that type of value it wouldn't make sense.
By value i'm mean whatever the going rate is for starting caliber space eating 1 tech/DT.
And because of Hayneworth (and Monty's laziness??) he can't get that value because he doesn't start.

Losing Monty would also deplete the depth along the DL which is one of this teams strentghs.
Hayneworth is a beast he rarely if ever plays the entire season.
Having a solid rotation to keep him fresh is essential.
Trading Monty decreases the effectiveness of Haynesworth.

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[quote=30gut;583142]I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to trade Monty.

Monty is a good young DT he would be starting material on other teams.
And unless we were given that type of value it wouldn't make sense.
[B]By value i'm mean whatever the going rate is for starting caliber space eating 1 tech/DT[/B].
And because of Hayneworth (and Monty's laziness??) he can't get that value because he doesn't start.

Losing Monty would also deplete the depth along the DL which is one of this teams strentghs.
Hayneworth is a beast he rarely if ever plays the entire season.
[B]Having a solid rotation to keep him fresh is essential.[/B]
Trading Monty decreases the effectiveness of Haynesworth.[/quote]

I agree. We need a solid rotation to keep the line "fresh" and I would only trade Monty if we received the proper value in return. Monty has the physical tools to be a solid tackle who can impose his will on the o-line. The knock against him has always been he's an underachiever. He's good enough to start, but he could be so much better.

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what about the chance that a hungry guy like dixon would then most likely be on the team? wouldn't a guy like dixon be montys replacement? so we would get a draft pick and have a formidable dt in dixon ready to step in.

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I like what GB said..."you got to be stupid not to realize the guy we just paid 100 million is going to start." Montgomery has no reason to be unhappy seeing how he's a decent player at best. I'm not even sure if he's a legit starter on the Skins without Fat Albert presence.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;583170]what about the chance that a hungry guy like dixon would then most likely be on the team? wouldn't a guy like dixon be montys replacement? so we would get a draft pick and have a formidable dt in dixon ready to step in.[/quote]

Good point. I wouldn't mind us trading Monty somewhere where they need some defensive help. For once I would like to see us stockpiling picks.

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Stockpiling picks is a great thing! I for one think this team is doing a nice job of building a good core group of young players/ good veterans. Another draft pick would definatley help in that area.

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[quote=53Fan;583133][B]I agree. If he's not making the "ooh aaah" plays, he's definitely helping someone else make them.[/B] Doc was saying that if he wants to be like Reggie White he may have to get in better shape because Reggie played every down. If he's playing at 350, maybe he should be at 330-335. He also said at this point in the season it's too late but the coaches may want to talk to him in the future about what it would take to be like Reggie if that's what he really wants. Only AH can decide that. As it is, the guy is pushing 600 lbs. around on every play. Sometimes more. If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs. As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.[/quote]

Really who is exactly making those plays then?

No pressure at all against NE. AH was brought in to speed up qbs and create turnovers. Havent been a ton of those on the first team either. I dont see a good amount of sacks by our DEs or LBs.

I am not saying AH's health is a problem, but he hasn't made the crazy impact he did in Tenn so far.

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My thoughts are --- compete. Win a job. Beat out Griffin. Show you can start.