DCPSR: Final 53 Projection
 

[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/final-redskins-roster-projections-1.html]Final Redskins Roster Projections - DC Pro Sports Report[/url]

Here is how we see it settling.

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Nice writeup. I agree we go with 10 OL instead of 5 Backs and its more likely that if we did keep 5 backs, we could keep FB Eddie Williams over any of Aldridge, Dorsey, or Mason. However, if we keep 10 OL, i think the 10th will be a cut from another team who can play tackle... like Tre Thomas from the Jags.

I did notice one error though:

[quote]We project[B] Glenn makes the roster [/B]and Henson to the practice squad. But he will make the team.

Roster Players: Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Robert Thomas, HB Blades, Chris Wilson, [B]Robert Henson[/B], (7)
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Which is it? I think Henson realy helped himself last night, but I still think we go with Glenn. I also think only one of Henson and Young make the PS.

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As much as I want to argue about his picks....I can't. I'm not sure what the coach's were looking for, or what they want. I have my favorite picks and they all looked bad last night except Mitchell. Tryon has looked bad for 3 games now and last night he finally looked ok. I have been touting cutting Westbrook cause for 3 yrs he has not gotten off the practice squad and others like Tryon have come in and stayed on the roster, but he's looked good the last 2-3 games. I have wanted the team to cut Collins and then watch a performance like last night where Colt and Chase simply didn't shine. Maybe it's cause it's the 2nd stringers blocking for them.

Honestly, I think if any one player went down our back ups would fill in and do an admirable job, but put too many of the back ups in and I see us having problems.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;584207]Nice writeup. I agree we go with 10 OL instead of 5 Backs and its more likely that if we did keep 5 backs, we could keep FB Eddie Williams over any of Aldridge, Dorsey, or Mason. However, if we keep 10 OL, i think the 10th will be a cut from another team who can play tackle... like Tre Thomas from the Jags.

I did notice one error though:



Which is it? I think Henson realy helped himself last night, but I still think we go with Glenn. I also think only one of Henson and Young make the PS.[/quote]

I'm a Mason fanatic no doubt but I was not so impressed last night, maybe due to blocking. I'm betting we keep Alridge as the change of pace and maybe put Dorsey on practice cause he can go there. I think FB Williams will be on practice squad in case Sellers gets hurt then they can bring him up to roster. Yodder made a statement last night but I would still cut him and put Agnone on practice squad.

I know people want to crusify Alridge for his fumble but I can't. If you look at it he caught the ball and decided to run left. As he was moving the ball from his right side to his left side away from the tackler his elbow or arm got hit with the helmet or shoulder pads of the tackler causing the ball to pop out. Yes he should have just tucked it and held on with both hands but he was actually doing what he was trained to do which is move the ball away from the tackler and take the hit. It was just bad timing.

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[quote=SBXVII;584216]I'm a Mason fanatic no doubt but I was not so impressed last night, maybe due to blocking. I'm betting we keep Alridge as the change of pace and maybe put Dorsey on practice cause he can go there. I think FB Williams will be on practice squad in case Sellers gets hurt then they can bring him up to roster. Yodder made a statement last night but I would still cut him and put Agnone on practice squad.

I know people want to crusify Alridge for his fumble but I can't. If you look at it he caught the ball and decided to run left. As he was moving the ball from his right side to his left side away from the tackler his elbow or arm got hit with the helmet or shoulder pads of the tackler causing the ball to pop out. Yes he should have just tucked it and held on with both hands but he was actually doing what he was trained to do which is move the ball away from the tackler and take the hit. It was just bad timing.[/quote]

"Bad timing" can lose you games. No excuses.

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[quote=Schneed10;584222]"Bad timing" can lose you games. No excuses.[/quote]

Agreed. Plus, there is the real question whether he should have brought it out at all.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;584226]Agreed. Plus, there is the real question whether he should have brought it out at all.[/quote]

Yeah he probably shouldn't have. I'm not making excuses for these guys but I'm sure they know they only have a limited amount of plays to make the team so they sometimes make bad decisions by trying to showcase their skills (Colt). I'm not sure they understand that sometimes they're hurting themselves by not making the smart, safe play.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;584226]Agreed. Plus, there is the real question whether he should have brought it out at all.[/quote]

I agree with both of you. He should have just let the ball bounce into the endzone, but we don't know what the coach's may or may not have told him to do. Can't fault a guy if told no matter what catch it and run it. I say this cause they may have said that to see what he could do.

It was bad no doubt. Thankfully it doesn't count against our season. Now the coach's know that he's not 100% reliable although he showed well in a previous game so who knows. He looked good on the pass from Chase in the 4th quarter in the 2min drill. Changed directions and still out ran two defenders to pick up 20-30 yrds.

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[quote=53Fan;584228]Yeah he probably shouldn't have. I'm not making excuses for these guys but I'm sure they know they only have a limited amount of plays to make the team so they sometimes make bad decisions by trying to showcase their skills (Colt). I'm not sure they understand that sometimes they're hurting themselves by not making the smart, safe play.[/quote]

Exactly. I mean last game to showcase and they are nervous about making a mistake which in reality increases the chance to make those mistakes.

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[quote=53Fan;584228]Yeah he probably shouldn't have. I'm not making excuses for these guys but I'm sure they know they only have a limited amount of plays to make the team so they sometimes make bad decisions by trying to showcase their skills (Colt). I'm not sure they understand that sometimes they're hurting themselves by not making the smart, safe play.[/quote]

Well the thing is they also have weeks of practices and scrimmages to show their skills as well. And Alridge was fumbling then as well. I mean it's not just Chase's game performances that have him in good position to take the #3 spot. It's also the fact that he practiced well, took what the coaches were saying to him, processed it and improved as the summer went on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;584237]Well the thing is they also have weeks of practices and scrimmages to show their skills as well. And Alridge was fumbling then as well. I mean it's not just Chase's game performances that have him in good position to take the #3 spot. It's also the fact that he practiced well, took what the coaches were saying to him, processed it and improved as the summer went on.[/quote]

I agree. Maybe I'm just getting soft because I'm feeling good about this team. :)

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Seems very close PennSkinsfan. I think Rob Jackson will easily beat out Wynn. I can't see Wynn making the team at all. I might switch Henson and Glenn as well. Henson is the only one of them who actually showed real flashes and is someone to be excited about developing. He was also a special teams standout at TCU.

I bet we keep nine olinemen, but only eight will stick because we are going to pick somebody up on the wire in the next few days.

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So it looks like the roster breakout will reportedly be

QB: 3
TE: 3
WR: 5
OL: 9
RB/FB: 5

DB: 9
DL: 8
LB: 8

Not really sure how they plan on counting guys like Orakpo and Wilson (DE or LB?)

K: 1
P: 1
LS: 1

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[quote=SmootSmack;584237]Well the thing is they also have weeks of practices and scrimmages to show their skills as well. And Alridge was fumbling then as well. I mean it's not just Chase's game performances that have him in good position to take the #3 spot. [B]It's also the fact that he practiced well, took what the coaches were saying to him, processed it and improved as the summer went on[/B].[/quote]

I pay more attention to "character" now, maybe it's Joe Gibbs second coming or simply maturity, but I pay attention to how these guys interview, since I'm not around them personally.

Just like political candidates, players come across differently in interviews & can give you a sharp, however hasty, opinion of them. Watching colt & daniel in back to back interviews left me liking Daniel a lot more. Colt spoke decently, but sounds more fraternity boy than pro qb. Daniel is more reserved & humble, but sounds more professional & aware of his rookie status.

I got a good impression of him & as a qb he seems like a poor man's flutie, a dude that lacks height but isn't concerned w/stats & style points, just does what he needs to win. Colt on the other hand, kinda has me torn. He shows potential & athleticism, but seems immature both as a player & person. A little bit self absorbed for an nfl qb. I think keeping Colt makes more sense, but at the same time I fear he may not have Daniel's staying power. Daniel seems like a guy that will do whatever it takes to make a team & eventually start.

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I think Colt's definitely been humbled this summer. He really let a lot of people at Redskins Park down. The expectation was that he would come in and challenge for the #2 spot. He had the attitude, but couldn't back it up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;584247]I think Colt's definitely been humbled this summer. He really let a lot of people at Redskins Park down. The expectation was that he would come in and challenge for the #2 spot. He had the attitude, but couldn't back it up.[/quote]

but do you think he's let them down enough, combined w/Daniel's play, that he'll be on the PS or cut?

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[quote=freddyg12;584248]but do you think he's let them down enough, combined w/Daniel's play, that he'll be on the PS or cut?[/quote]

No, I still think Colt gets the edge. But who knows, I mean the #3 QB is someone you want to be able to develop and groom into possibly being a starter one day. Chase seems to be the better student of the game, so you could definitely develop him mentally but Colt has the physical advantages that Chase will never have. I think it's a much, much closer competition that anyone expected.

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[quote=SmootSmack;584247]I think Colt's definitely been humbled this summer. He really let a lot of people at Redskins Park down. The expectation was that he would come in and challenge for the #2 spot. He had the attitude, but couldn't back it up.[/quote]

Sounds like a good humbling may have done him some good though. The cocky attitude that was turning some off seems to have melted away and perhaps that's the silver lining in all of this.

Man right now I just don't know how the #3 QB thing is going to shake out. I can really see it going either way.

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[quote=Schneed10;584222]"Bad timing" can lose you games. No excuses.[/quote]


These are young men trying hard to impress and win a spot on the roster. Sometime in the process of doing so they lose focus and mistakes follow.

Alridges' fumble last night was no less painful than watching your starting QB fumble three consecutive times in the same game. (reg. season) It can happen to anyone.

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Well, my semi-trustworthy sources are saying Chase has a slight edge right now. Very slight

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[quote=SmootSmack;584258]Well, my semi-trustworthy sources are saying Chase has a slight edge right now. Very slight[/quote]


It amazes me how just a few plays can so rapidly change the minds of fans. The day before yesterday Redskins Insider had a poll showing Daniel the favorite by a vote of something like 70-30. After last night's game the poll completely flipped, this morning it was just the opposite.

It had been my belief all along that Brennan would win the #3 job, and nothing was done in any of these pre-season games to make me change that belief. To be fair though, Daniel had the odds stacked against him with a back line going against Jacksonville's starting defense. They were in his lap on just about every passing play.

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My gut feeling is still that when the final roster is submitted it's Brennan on the roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;584260]My gut feeling is still that when the final roster is submitted it's Brennan on the roster.[/quote]

Same for me, although I dont wanna see either in a real game anytime soon.

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[quote=SmootSmack;584260]My gut feeling is still that when the final roster is submitted it's Brennan on the roster.[/quote]

I would agree.

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I think last night Chase got a nice taste of working behind the backup oline against players that will actually play in the NFL this year and he was running for his life.

Colt has been playing behind that same backup line.

Let's just say most quarterbacks would struggle behind that so called "protection."

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[quote=SmootSmack;584247]I think Colt's definitely been humbled this summer. He really let a lot of people at Redskins Park down. The expectation was that he would come in and challenge for the #2 spot. He had the attitude, but couldn't back it up.[/quote]


I agree Smack, I think Brennan was seriously humbled through his experiences thus far in his second year. Hopefully this will all serve to make him a better player, and next year he'll actuall be able to challenge for the #2spot on the roster asuming Campbell is still going to be here. I say that because depending on his progress, this could be Collins' last season here in Washington.

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[quote=wilsowilso;584270]I think last night Chase got a nice taste of working behind the backup oline against players that will actually play in the NFL this year and he was running for his life.

Colt has been playing behind that same backup line.

Let's just say most quarterbacks would struggle behind that so called "protection."[/quote]

True, Colt was sacked 7 times, Chase 3. it would have been nice to see what they could do given they had time. but thats part of the game.

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I think Zorn likes Chase more, in terms of "trainability" Of course that is purely my speculation, no real proof. I would not be surprised at all if Colt does not make it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;584286]I think Zorn likes Chase more, in terms of "trainability" Of course that is purely my speculation, no real proof. I would not be surprised at all if Colt does not make it.[/quote]

I would agree about the train-ability aspect. Still, he's put a lot of work into developing Colt and he may feel it's premature to give up on him. We'll see.

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[quote=Longtimefan;584257]These are young men trying hard to impress and win a spot on the roster. Sometime in the process of doing so they lose focus and mistakes follow.

Alridges' fumble last night was no less painful than watching your starting QB fumble three consecutive times in the same game. (reg. season) It can happen to anyone.[/quote]

If you lose focus in the preseason trying to impress the coaches, what will you do in the regular season when you're trying to impress other teams enough to get a free agent deal?

Again, no excuses please. Because there are none.

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I was suprised about Wynn, i say keep Buzbee.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;584317]I was suprised about Wynn, i say keep Buzbee.[/quote]
I am not sure it will be Buzbee, but I think keeping Wynn makes no sense.

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[url=http://fredericksburg.com/blogs/view?blogger_id=40]Fredericksburg.com - Blogs: Rich Campbell - Redskins Journal[/url]

[QUOTE]*RB Marcus Mason got only three carries last night because of lingering rib soreness from the shot he took a week ago against New England. Coaches said last week that Mason needed to improve in pass protection and on special teams. So how'd he do, coach?

"I thought the he probably did more in pass protection than he needed to," Zorn said. "He was doing some thing last night when we did have him in. He was trying to chip a defensive end when he didn't have to chip a defensive end because we had him blocked. He's very willing to strike a blow. The thing that I want to see more of out of him if he has the opportunity to be here is to get into his routes and really run his pass routes instead of being so conscious of the pass protection. He's got to get into his routes quicker."[/QUOTE]

Mason must be going crazy. They tell him all summer to work on his pass protection...and then they tell him not to worry about pass protection so much. I think they're purposely playing jedi mind tricks on him :)

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Mike Williams looked slow. You can't beat him with the bull rush but you can easily run around him.

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I thought he looked as bad as possible, but somehow they liked what they saw.

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I think that dixon played his way on tot the team. At least the practice squad

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Totally agree with the roster except for Wynn and Henson. I say either Rob Jackson or Buzbee instead of Wynn and Darrel Young instead of Henson.

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We'll be looking to pickup a RT after cutdown.

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[quote=diehard;584330]Mike Williams looked slow. You can't beat him with the bull rush but you can easily run around him.[/quote]

I've been rooting for him but he does look slow. Maybe he will speed up when he doesn't have to think about who he's blocking but I would put him in as Guard when they are pass blocking just to take up space.

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Dude hasn't played at all. That was Williams' first real action so I'm not surprised he looked a little "leaden". I think he will get better and quicker as the season progresses. He sure is a huge beast to have to go around as a defensive player.