Raiders get Richard Seymour?
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767]New England Patriots deal Richard Seymour to Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

No idea how this deal came about.

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Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one. :doh:

That could easily be a top 10 pick.

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[quote=Mattyk72;584997]Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one. :doh:

That could easily be a top 10 pick.[/quote]

Yup. Total panic move. Their defense has been a joke all preseason. I guess adding a DE on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't been himself for a few years is the answer. Especially for a 1st round pick.

I'm jealous of the Patriots FO. They're super smart.

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Is he still a very good player? Yes. Is he worth the first pick in the draft next year (which the pick may very well be)? No.

On top of that, this is the last year of the contract. Imagine if they lose him to FA (who knows maybe he's franchised, don't know the status of their FA class next year). If they do, at draft time, they could have lost the top pick in the draft for a player not on their roster.

Earth to Al, Earth to Al.

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[quote=Mattyk72;584997]Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one. :doh:

That could easily be a top 10 pick.[/quote]


Oh yeah, NE didn't even have to buy the Raiders a drink. What were they thinking oh that's right it's Al Davis Raiders they aren't thinking. [B]I love Dan Snyder he might do some crazy things but it's always for the better of the Redskins.[/B]

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[quote=Mattyk72;584997]Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one. :doh:

That could easily be a top 10 pick.[/quote]With that in mind, I think it was smart that they went with a 2011 first round pick. Because, in all probability, they'll probably be picking in the top ten this season. Next year, though, there's a good chance it will be a middle of the round pick.

Still, Seymour's value at this point is like late-first round, early second round stuff, but the Raiders make some of that back money wise. For a franchise that doesn't have a lot of money, getting Seymour while the Pats pay his bonuses isn't a bad deal.

With that said, he's about 2 years removed from being a dominant player, but about 2 years younger than the traditional Raiders over-the-hill veteran acquisition.

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The biggest problem I have with this trade is, um, where does he play in Oakland's defense? Nose tackle?

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He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.

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[quote=53Fan;585007]He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.[/quote]


I swear they say the cowgurls is America's team, NE must be Gods cause teams are throwing picks at them.

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[quote=GMScud;584999]Yup. Total panic move. Their defense has been a joke all preseason. I guess adding a DE on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't been himself for a few years is the answer. Especially for a 1st round pick.

I'm jealous of the Patriots FO. They're super smart.[/quote]

I think He's 29

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[quote=53Fan;585007]He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.[/quote]

They don't fall in love with players. It's all business. Respect.

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What a crazy trade. I am sorry, but Al, if he was behind this, has totally lost it. And New England comes off looking super smart. The way Al is running the Raiders, that pick is going to be in the top 3.

I find myself wishing we could have convinced Al of Montgomery's greatness :)

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Well, I'm trying to think of the Redskins equivalent for this trade. We would all trade Corneilus Griffin tomorrow if we could get a first round pick for him, but that doesn't quite add up.

I guess the closest thing to this trade: would you trade London Fletcher tomorrow for a 2011 first round pick? I don't think I would. Not that it wouldn't be a good value, but the value of that 2011 pick to this franchise declines severely if our defense sucks this year. Would our defense suck without Fletch? Probably not, but I wouldn't want to risk it.

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Not sure what NE is thinking on this one.

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That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;585024]That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.[/quote]

To me NE showed no loyalty in this one. Seymour must be pissed going from a SB contender to one of the worst teams in the NFL. They trade away their best D linemen for a future draft pick? I guess the youth movement on NE's defense is underway.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;585024]That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.[/quote]

On Sirius yesterday, they made it sound like Tony Paschos was given an ultimatum to take a paycut or be cut(without naming actual names). I think that also is wrong, at least on cut day. You have all off-season to renegotiate contracts, but at the last possible moment, when the player has no real way to check out options and market value is very poor practice. Those sort of moves make me more sympathetic when a player is saying show me the money.

Of course none of that applies to Crabtree. :doh:

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Can't make decisions in this league based on loyalty. Seymour is on the last year of his contract, and for the Pats to get a first rounder for a guy about to hit 30 and they had no intentions of giving a big money deal to is simply smart business.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;584996][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767]New England Patriots deal Richard Seymour to Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

No idea how this deal came about.[/quote]


Boy, that's like going from the penthouse to the outhouse. NE sure know how to TCB.

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talk about getting bamboozled. Al Davis is the laughingstock of the entire league. and nycskinfan82, the owners show their loyalty come pay day. Seymour might not like his new team, but in the end, it all pays the same

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[quote=Mattyk72;585031]Can't make decisions in this league based on loyalty. Seymour is on the last year of his contract, and for the Pats to get a first rounder for a guy about to hit 30 and they had no intentions of giving a big money deal to is simply smart business.[/quote]


Please understand if I was NE i'd make that trade too. I was just saying when you've been in the league for awhile i'm not mad when it's contract time and you want alot more.

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I've started to realize that over the years the Redskins really are one of the few loyal organizations when it comes to players. For example I personally think many teams would have cut ARE a long time. They also stuck with Phillip Daniels and countless other players.

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Interesting cut. Not sure what this means for the Patriots defense this year, but it does show you how much they value their high draft picks. As long as you have good depth, it's the recipe for sustaining a good team for years instead of *right now*, and saving money for the pivotal players (Brady, Moss, etc).

1) 29yo probowler --> play maybe 4-5 years
2) Draft a 1st round ?probowler --> play 10 years, cheaper

I'd say IF someone offered a #1 pick for Fletcher, we should take it. Blades has looked good and Fletch probably only has 1-2 years left. Then we could even *draft* a replacement SLB/MLB - and solve the problem for the next decade.

So what would be another "Belichick move" for the Redskins? I guess it'd have to be a top-tier aging player in a position of at least borderline depth.. (I'm NOT saying we should do these moves)
-- [B]L.Fletcher[/B] (backup Blades) -- definitely worth it
-- [B]A.Carter[/B] (backup Orakpo/Wilson) -- but we'd have no SLB
-- [B]C.Rogers[/B] - and then pickup a #1st round CB -- too risky
-- [B]S.Moss/ARE[/B] (Backup MK/DT/MM) - Moss is our best player, but if MK/DT develop...? probably too risky
-- [B]Cooley[/B] (backup F.Davis) - our second best weapon & still only 27, so we should not trade him

Just food for thought -- again, I don't believe we should do these moves.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585012]What a crazy trade. I am sorry, but Al, if he was behind this, has totally lost it. And New England comes off looking super smart. The way Al is running the Raiders, that pick is going to be in the top 3.

[B]I find myself wishing we could have convinced Al of Montgomery's greatness[/B] :)[/quote]

Maybe Vinny can make that a project of his and we can get Asomugha. :laughing- I guess even crazy old Al's not that stupid....is he?

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[quote=GTripp0012;585005]The biggest problem I have with this trade is, um, where does he play in Oakland's defense? Nose tackle?[/quote]

Agreed. I don't see the wisdom for the Raiders in this.

Poor Seymour. Overnight he went from football heaven to football hell.

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I think this came down to a financial consideration between keeping Seymour, who is approaching the final year of his contract, and Vince Wilfork, who has been trying to negotiate a long term deal with the Patriots for a while.

By cutting ties with Seymour and finding a willing and able suiter in the Oakland Raiders, I think it gives them more room to bargain with Wilfork. At the very least they'll slap the franchise tag on Wilfork and retain his services for a few more years.

I think the perfect scenerio for the Pats would be for Seymour to play out his deal with the Raiders, test the market when he becomes a FA, and eventually find his way back to New England ala Jason Taylor and the Dolphins.

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Wow, the Raiders are the dumbest team in the league (think about that pessimistic fans when you bitch about our FO). And the Pats one of the luckiest, plus this furthers Darth Hoody's status as a genius, since obviously Pioli is not there anymore.

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Maybe RS will be a no show,to the clown show.......?

What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 7, 2009 10:11 AM ET
A league source has raised an intriguing concept with us.

It's established, via Peter King of SI.com, that former Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour is "angry" about the trade that sent him into football's literal and figurative Black Hole.

A good friend of Seymour's told King on Sunday, "I would not be surprised if he doesn't report."

We've heard the same sentiment. So the source posed a great question.

What happens if Seymour doesn't show?

It's not completely out of the question. Seymour held out not once but twice from the Patriots during his time there, and Seymour's agent is -- you guessed it -- Eugene Parker, who currently is embroiled in one of the nastiest rookie holdouts in recent memory, as the agent for 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree.

So, if Seymour refuses to report to the Raiders, either because he doesn't want to play for the Raiders or because they're not offering him the kind of contract he wants, what happens?

Because all trades hinge on the player showing up and passing a physical, Seymour wouldn't become a Raider unless he enters the building. Thus, it apparently would fall back to the Patriots to take action against Seymour aimed at coaxing him to honor the last year of his current contract.

Under that contract, he's due to earn $3.685 million this year. That's more than $216,000 per game he'll lose if he doesn't accept the trade, in addition to any other potential fines that could be imposed.

If he stays out past Week Ten his contract will toll for a year, keeping him from becoming an unrestricted free agent in what looks to be an uncapped year. But this situation can't linger for two months. At some point, the Raiders will reel in that first-round pick, and the Pats will be forced to slay the fatted calf for a son who was made involuntarily prodigal.

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maybe the raiders will cut him midway through the season as they did with DeAngelo Hall, we pick up Richard Seymour, and he plays DT next to haynesworth the rest of the year and does great!

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It seems a lot of people think this is a stupid trade and on that I agree. However I don't think the problem is the actual amount of talent they got in exchange for their 1st round pick (8 sacks from a 3-4 DE spot is something else).

What I don't like is the fact that Richard Seymour is a winner with one year left on his contract playing in Oakland. Chances are that he's not going to want to play for them past 2009. I guess Oakland could franchise him but other then that I can't see why Seymour would stay in Oakland after this year.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;585362]maybe the raiders will cut him midway through the season as they did with DeAngelo Hall, we pick up Richard Seymour, and he plays DT next to haynesworth the rest of the year and does great![/quote]

Pipe dream out the ass. But nice thought

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It's like the Pats are Lucy, and the Raiders are Charlie Brown

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I think the Pats are going to be 8-8 this year. They went to far this time with the next man up thing. Plus, I still hate them for the ass whipping they gave us and Joe Gibbs.

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Seymour has to be contemplating retirement. I would. hey you have 3 rings and lots of $$ nothing more needs to be done. I cant see why anyone would go to oakland. he has to feel like the Pats just kicked him in the fellas.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;585967]Seymour has to be contemplating retirement. I would. hey you have 3 rings and lots of $$ nothing more needs to be done. [B]I cant see why anyone would go to oakland.[/B] he has to feel like the Pats just kicked him in the fellas.[/quote]

Well....we all know that black is slimming. Not sure about silver.

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I wonder how many more seasons until Darth Hoody gets rid of Brady. I'm sure he's going to rob some poor sucker team blind when he feels that Brady has run his course.

PS: Am I the only one who feels that this move may have shut up V. Wilfork's demand for a new deal. I can see Darth Hoody saying to him "you better shut up or I'll ship your ass to Oakland with Seymour". LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;585971]I wonder how many more seasons until Darth Hoody gets rid of Brady. I'm sure he's going to rob some poor sucker team blind when he feels that Brady has run his course.

PS: Am I the only one who feels that this move may have shut up V. Wilfork's demand for a new deal. [B]I can see Darth Hoody saying to him "you better shut up or I'll ship your ass to Oakland with Seymour". LOL.[/quote][/B]

LOL This just in, NO pat player will ever hold out,drop a pass,miss a block,miss a tackle,complain about a contract or playing time EVER AGAIN.

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In an amazing turn of events V. Wilfork has agreed to play for the league minimum until he retires.

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For the next two drafts, the Pats now have 7 picks in the first two rounds. That's more than any other team. They're an aging team on both sides of the ball, and they know it. Bruschi, Harrison, and Vrabel are all gone. Sammy Morris, Kevin Falk, and Fred Taylor are getting up there. Hell, even Randy Moss and Tom Brady are both 32. Plus they have 4 starting O-lineman 30 or older. Those 7 picks could go a long way in bolstering a strong youth movement of big time contributors.

The're pretty darn good right now, and they're setting themselves up to stay that way in the future.

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The problem is though they don't that well .

From 2008 draft :

Mayo is a good player for them but, Kevin O'Connell was a third round pick in 08 and was cut, Shawn Crable, Terrance Wheatly, have either just come off IR or just been placed on IR Wilhite and Matt Slater are burried deap on the depth chart

From 2007 Draft : Branden Merriwether was taken too high for his production and has really not had the impact you desire . No one else made the team from the remaining 8 picks . Okay they were day 2 picks but even the Skins have day 2 jems and depth to point to .

From the 2006 draft : Lawance Marooney - great change of pace back if he can stay healthy but never put up more than 1000 yards and never played an entire season . Other than that . Chad Jackson - Off the team (OTT) David Thomas (OTT) Garett Mills (OTT) Stephen Gostkowski - (Keeper but a kicker in the 4th round?) Ryan O'Callaghan (OTT) Mincey, Dan Stevenson (OUT OF THE LEAGUE) Le Kevin Smith (OTT) Willie Anderews (OTL)

2005 Draft : THeier best draft in recent years . Logan Mankins (G), Nick Kakzur (T) and James Saunders (S) and it would have also been Elis Hobbs - but they got three starters out of that draft that are still starters today .

Who knows the impact of the 2009 draft . The draft they picked up 6 2nd and 3rd round players. Brandon Tate and a couple of other are already on the IR lists .

Overall their drafting is average at best . And now Scott Pioli has gone it will be interesting to see how things pan out . I am starting to believe that Poli went before he was pushed ...