Let's Talk QB Height (w/ Daniel going to N.O.)
 

OK... I mentioned it in another thread, but I wanted to discuss quarterback height and get everyone's opinion.

Chase Daniel is listed at 6' 0". He is considered "too short" to QB for the Skins (I guess?) b/c I'm not sure what more a rookie QB could do to earn a roster spot. He's not too short for the Saints b/c they have an All-Pro QB THE SAME EXACT HEIGHT... he wears #9 for them.

Here's what I REALLY don't get...

Drew Brees - 6' 0"
Kurt Warner - 6' 2"
Jake Delhomme - 6' 2"
Tony Romo - 6' 2"
Aaron Rodgers - 6' 2"
David Gerrard - 6' 1"
Brett Favre - 6' 2"
Tavaris Jackson - 6' 2"
Mark Sanchez - 6' 2"
Michael Vick - 6' 0"
Donovan McNabb - 6' 2"
Seneca Wallace - 5' 11"

For the Saints, he could be Brees 2.0... (I'll tell you what... it's a great opportunity for him to learn behind a guy who certainly has made 6'0 work!)

Don't get me wrong... I'm not drunk on Daniel Flavored Kool-Aid, nor do I think he's going to be as good as Drew Brees... what I don't get is how his height has anything to do with his ability to QB in the NFL.

Is there REALLY that much difference in an inch or two? Does that make one QB a Hall of Famer and the other a non-drafted, 53-man cut?

Anyone else that doesn't get this whole thing?? Have a GOOD explanation?

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do we have to talk about another team's practice squad qb? really, do we have to.

Chase showed a lot of potential, and I think Zorn would have liked him to get on the PS, but he didn't. I really hope he is now worrying about the Giants, and not where Chase ends up. Remember, we could take him off their squad if we wanted to activate him.

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I'm talking about QB height, with Daniels being the springboard for the conversation... this thread isn't about him, necessarily...

... it's about 6'0" being too short to QB in the NFL and getting other people's opinion on THAT.

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ok, sorry, I don't have any idea on that one.

I apologize for the snark post.

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Problem is, everyone who actually saw Chase Daniel in person said he was nowhere near 6 feet tall. I kept hearing that he was more like 5'9 or maybe 5'10.

Theismann was also 6'2 as was Joe Montana. Doug Flutie was well under 6 feet too. So I guess it just depends on how adept they are at seeing the field when they're not as tall as others.

There have been plenty of 6'5 quarterbacks who couldn't see the field either.

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It must have been his play in practice, the stuff we couldn't see. . . because otherwise, I thought Chase should have made the squad. And I bet he is a lot closer to 6 foot than 5' 9 lol. I think 6 foot and up is enough for the NFL

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Well here is the thing...

Height shouldn't even matter. It's about the release... Brennans sidearm release is even lower then Daniels IMO

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I don't get the feeling that Zorn was so worried about the height thing. I just think once we decided to go with two QBs, that was that. They must have been pretty confident no one would move Chase to their active roster (they were right), but I bet they're disappointed he chose NOs PS over ours.

As for the main question, I don't think it helps, but obviously some good QBs haven't been that tall.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;585200]OK... I mentioned it in another thread, but I wanted to discuss quarterback height and get everyone's opinion.

Chase Daniel is listed at 6' 0". He is considered "too short" to QB for the Skins (I guess?) b/c I'm not sure what more a rookie QB could do to earn a roster spot. He's not too short for the Saints b/c they have an All-Pro QB THE SAME EXACT HEIGHT... he wears #9 for them.

Here's what I REALLY don't get...

Drew Brees - 6' 0"
Kurt Warner - 6' 2"
Jake Delhomme - 6' 2"
Tony Romo - 6' 2"
Aaron Rodgers - 6' 2"
David Gerrard - 6' 1"
Brett Favre - 6' 2"
Tavaris Jackson - 6' 2"
Mark Sanchez - 6' 2"
Michael Vick - 6' 0"
Donovan McNabb - 6' 2"
Seneca Wallace - 5' 11"

For the Saints, he could be Brees 2.0... (I'll tell you what... it's a great opportunity for him to learn behind a guy who certainly has made 6'0 work!)

Don't get me wrong... I'm not drunk on Daniel Flavored Kool-Aid, nor do I think he's going to be as good as Drew Brees... what I don't get is how his height has anything to do with his ability to QB in the NFL.

Is there REALLY that much difference in an inch or two? Does that make one QB a Hall of Famer and the other a non-drafted, 53-man cut?

Anyone else that doesn't get this whole thing?? Have a GOOD explanation?[/quote]


You can give the disclaimer that you don't think he is as good as Brees but you still compared the two.

It has been acknowledged that he isn't even six feet. New Orleans can have him.

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What did you expect Chase to do? Zorn did his thing and Chase did his. Zorn and co has a job of bringing a winner back to DC and Chase is trying to make it in the NFL. He probably is pissed at being cut in the first place with Colt on IR and might think he has a better shot in NO for some reason. My personal prediction now is neither Chase or Colt will ever gain starter status. I have a feeling we are going to draft another QB in 2010 and might even go for one of the big names. To me that makes sense with what has transpired. It is dumb to only have 2 active QB's on your roster, especially with an offensive line as old as ours. IF the kid was too short, why bother signing him in the first place.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;585266]What did you expect Chase to do? Zorn did his thing and Chase did his. Zorn and co has a job of bringing a winner back to DC and Chase is trying to make it in the NFL. He probably is pissed at being cut in the first place with Colt on IR and might think he has a better shot in NO for some reason. My personal prediction now is neither Chase or Colt will ever gain starter status. I have a feeling we are going to draft another QB in 2010 and might even go for one of the big names. To me that makes sense with what has transpired. It is dumb to only have 2 active QB's on your roster, especially with an offensive line as old as ours. IF the kid was too short, why bother signing him in the first place.[/quote]

How is it dumb to only have 2 qbs? If we get to the third qb, the season is over.

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Well Chase or whoever might be able tosalvage a season if both JC and Collins went down. We have the oldest line in football. Do you think these guys are going to make it through a 16 game season without missing games? Hasn't happened in a long time. Collins is an old man. What if JC goes down with a ACL tear against the GMen Sunday. You are stuck with Collins for 15 games. Think he could last with an injury prone line?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;585270]Well Chase or whoever might be able tosalvage a season if both JC and Collins went down. We have the oldest line in football. Do you think these guys are going to make it through a 16 game season without missing games? Hasn't happened in a long time. Collins is an old man. What if JC goes down with a ACL tear against the GMen Sunday. You are stuck with Collins for 15 games. Think he could last with an injury prone line?[/quote]

Very few teams...except for the almighty Patriots...are going to be successful if their 2nd QB and their 3rd QB have to start because the starting QB goes down with injury.

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My point is you need to be prepared for some really messed up contingencies. Look at Minnesota last year. Jackson sucked, they throw in Frerotte, he gets hurt, etc. Teams getting stuck going to #3 QBs isn't all that rare.

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What do you mean? Collins got us into the playoffs last as a backup. Brady got his big start as a backup winning the SB. I rather have a real QB than one that was converted into a WR(ARE). I think Colt or Chase could have won some games starting.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;585274]My point is you need to be prepared for some really messed up contingencies. Look at Minnesota last year. Jackson sucked, they throw in Frerotte, he gets hurt, etc. Teams getting stuck going to #3 QBs isn't all that rare.[/quote]


I see Minnesota had 4 people throw the ball last year, Jackson, Butthead, Sidney Rice and Chester Taylor. So who was the third?

Actually it is incredibly rare. Have the Redskins used a 3rd QB since the bodybag game? When did they use one before that?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;585274]My point is you need to be prepared for some really messed up contingencies. [B]Look at Minnesota last year. Jackson sucked, they throw in Frerotte, he gets hurt, etc.[/B] Teams getting stuck going to #3 QBs isn't all that rare.[/quote]

Yes, Minny's 1st QB sucked, then they put their 2nd QB, then the 2nd QB got hurt, and plugged in the 1st QB again. Where's the 3rd stringer here?

[quote=GusFrerotte;585275]What do you mean? Collins got us into the playoffs last as a backup. Brady got his big start as a backup winning the SB. I rather have a real QB than one that was converted into a WR(ARE). I think Colt or Chase could have won some games starting.[/quote]

The key word here is back ups, but you were talking about going with a 3rd stringer...

[quote=GusFrerotte;585274][B]Teams getting stuck going to #3 QBs isn't all that rare.[/B][/quote]

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People are obsessed with statistics in football. That's why so much is put into a 40 yard dash for runningbacks, cornerbacks, and wide receivers. For quarterbacks, it's arm strength and height.

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Short and good is better than tall and bad.

Tall and good is better than short and good.

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Back to the discussion of height:

In terms of actually throwing, I think it is a non-issue. Most qb's have to throw through open lanes. Even if the qb is taller the Dlinemen know to get their hands up to knock it down.

In terms of seeing the whole field, I think this is where the issue is created. If you are 6'0 and the average OL/DL is 6'2 -6'4, then when you are back trying to read your progressions, you may not see a LB who sits down on a lane because of your view is obstructed. That is why you would have more designed rollouts, or leave the pocket faster, so you can see.

KI sums up the net effect real well.

I also imagine, but don't know this, that in college, the OL/DL height also would have a lower average height. I mean out of all the positions, I think OL/DL really skims only the cream of the crop. I doubt there are any NFL OL/DL that are under 6'2". I did not look at any references so I easily could be wrong.

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I'll say this, Chase's 5'9" height has gotten him this far. He's done well so far. I honestly don't think the height is an issue. It is nice to have a QB who can see over the O-line but when arms are flying and helmets moving I think all look for a lane to see and throw into.

but, I don't think is height was in issue for Zorn. I think they thought they could cut him and stick him on the practice squad cause they wanted another RB or OL or someother position. Someother team snatched him up, which is a pisser, and now we are looking for another PS QB. I also think it's nice to have the height but when JC gets under center you can see the issue's. He has to squat weird to get the hand off and only getting a tall center could cure that issue. So I say. LOL. JK>

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I don't think height is what got Chase cut. I think he's got some potential, but obviously Zorn felt he wanted to go in a different direction. Dude is short though LOL

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Maybe sometime in the distant future we will get the opportunity to see Chase again in real game like situations. The brief time we got to see him I thought he showed promise, but in all honesty, coming in in the kind of situations he did during the preseason is a far cry from a real game, the circumstances are so much different.

I'm sre we all wish him the best, and because he was here first will follow his career closely, if he has one.

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Chase gets called up for Saints.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/26/with-lance-moore-limping-chase-daniel-gets-called-up/]With Lance Moore limping, Chase Daniel gets called up | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;595601]Chase gets called up for Saints.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/26/with-lance-moore-limping-chase-daniel-gets-called-up/]With Lance Moore limping, Chase Daniel gets called up | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

This artical suggests that the Saints will cut Daniel and re-sign to the practice squad after this game.

If the Skins really want him to our practice squad...it will give the Skins the opportunity to up the ante on a practice squad offer if/when he is temporarily cut.

This could make up for the only 2 potential practice squad mistake the Skins made....alridge/dorsey, Daniel not making it

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[quote=skinsnut;595605]This artical suggests that the Saints will cut Daniel and re-sign to the practice squad after this game.

If the Skins really want him to our practice squad...it will give the Skins the opportunity to up the ante on a practice squad offer if/when he is temporarily cut.

This could make up for the only 2 potential practice squad mistake the Skins made....alridge/dorsey, Daniel not making it[/quote]

Since we seem to have so many roster spots for RBs we should pick up Daniel and make him our Redzone QB. He can at least throw a good fade route.

That can be our contribution to the NFL like Miami's Wildcat offense. The Redzone QB. The depth chart would look something like this:

QB:
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Chase Daniel

RQB:
Chase Daniel
Todd Collins
Illegally play Colt Brennen
A reluctant Jim Zorn
Jason Campbell

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The chances of Daniel sticking in the Saints roster are pretty good, they only have 2 QB's, Brees, Brunnell and now Daniel. Brunnell is ancient and by next year he'll be gone, this is where Daniel steps right in as the backup. So my guess is this is probably were he will end up.

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although 6ft should be the minimum for a QB as height is concerned, Football IQ is what holds alot of guys back more than height....Brady, P. Manning, Brees,Matt Ryan, Flacco(football smarts)
Teams should try placing a bigger emphases on Football IQ...ala making checks at the line, reading a defense

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[quote=Beemnseven;585206]Problem is, everyone who actually saw Chase Daniel in person said he was nowhere near 6 feet tall. I kept hearing that he was more like 5'9 or maybe 5'10.

Theismann was also 6'2 as was Joe Montana. Doug Flutie was well under 6 feet too. So I guess it just depends on how adept they are at seeing the field when they're not as tall as others.

There have been plenty of 6'5 quarterbacks who couldn't see the field either.[/quote]

Theisman was listed as 6' and ive heard people say that was stretching it

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My general position on shortness, is that if college ball didn't weed you out as being a deficient passer who can't see in the NFL, then you probably can easily compensate for it.

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Let's not forget Doug Flutie. My buddy played hoops with him a few times in Bethany Beach and he swears he wasn't taller than 5'8", yet he had a pretty decent career. He was also a pretty good all around athlete.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;585200]OK... I mentioned it in another thread, but I wanted to discuss quarterback height and get everyone's opinion.

Chase Daniel is listed at 6' 0". He is considered "too short" to QB for the Skins (I guess?) b/c I'm not sure what more a rookie QB could do to earn a roster spot. He's not too short for the Saints b/c they have an All-Pro QB THE SAME EXACT HEIGHT... he wears #9 for them.

Here's what I REALLY don't get...

Drew Brees - 6' 0"
Kurt Warner - 6' 2"
Jake Delhomme - 6' 2"
Tony Romo - 6' 2"
Aaron Rodgers - 6' 2"
David Gerrard - 6' 1"
Brett Favre - 6' 2"
Tavaris Jackson - 6' 2"
Mark Sanchez - 6' 2"
Michael Vick - 6' 0"
Donovan McNabb - 6' 2"
Seneca Wallace - 5' 11"

For the Saints, he could be Brees 2.0... (I'll tell you what... it's a great opportunity for him to learn behind a guy who certainly has made 6'0 work!)

Don't get me wrong... I'm not drunk on Daniel Flavored Kool-Aid, nor do I think he's going to be as good as Drew Brees... what I don't get is how his height has anything to do with his ability to QB in the NFL.

Is there REALLY that much difference in an inch or two? Does that make one QB a Hall of Famer and the other a non-drafted, 53-man cut?

Anyone else that doesn't get this whole thing?? Have a GOOD explanation?[/quote]

If Vick is 6'0 then Daniel looks to be 5'8 or 5'9 for real Vick looks bigger than him.

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The signed him from the practice squad. He is now part of their active roster for this Sunday's game.

[url=http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/09/new_orleans_saints_add_chase_d.html]New Orleans Saints add Chase Daniel to 53-man roster | New Orleans Saints Central - - NOLA.com[/url]