Haynesworths revenge on Jason Brown
 

Remember Skin fans, we got a little story to follow this Ram game. New Center Jason Brown of the Rams said earlier in the year that he couldn't wait to run a no huddle offense on us, because he feels thats the best way to stop Haynesworth. Haynesworth's response was "good let him think that." And coach Zorn's response was "Okay" with chuckle. Now after watching AH take a lot of breathers on the sideline during last weeks game, It got me thinking. Do you think Jason Brown is right, and should we be concerned?

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Albert will be fine, he won't be the only D Lineman out there.

I have the feeling that Jason Brown is a masochist and can't wait to get slapped about.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;589612]Remember Skin fans, we got a little story to follow this Ram game. New Center Jason Brown of the Rams said earlier in the year that he couldn't wait to run a no huddle offense on us, because he feels thats the best way to stop Haynesworth. Haynesworth's response was "good let him think that." And coach Zorn's response was "Okay" with chuckle. Now after watching AH take a lot of breathers on the sideline during last weeks game, It got me thinking. Do you think Jason Brown is right, and should we be concerned?[/quote]

Well if you think that AH can stay on the field for 35 minutes taking on two blockers weighing around 600 pounds without taking a breather then I have a bridge for sale.

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First game of the season is always the toughest. Fat Albert will dominate his ass. They better provide help for him.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;589612]Remember Skin fans, we got a little story to follow this Ram game. New Center Jason Brown of the Rams said earlier in the year that he couldn't wait to run a no huddle offense on us, because he feels thats the best way to stop Haynesworth. Haynesworth's response was "good let him think that." And coach Zorn's response was "Okay" with chuckle. Now after watching AH take a lot of breathers on the sideline during last weeks game, It got me thinking. Do you think Jason Brown is right, and should we be concerned?[/quote]

I don't really see the revenge angle. Brown's comments were not that inflammatory. The comments were not complimentary but they were not that harsh, either. If comments like that get AH's dander up, then he's motivated to play for the wrong reasons.

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[quote=firstdown;589652]Well if you think that AH can stay on the field for 35 minutes taking on two blockers weighing around 600 pounds without taking a breather then I have a bridge for sale.[/quote]

seriously, I will wrestle with my brother (and we both go pretty strong at it) and after a short time I am winded. imagine for bursts at a time taking on two guys totalling about double your weight and then reset and do it again. I'm ok with him taking a breather if needed.

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[quote=Lotus;589683]I don't really see the revenge angle. Brown's comments were not that inflammatory. The comments were not complimentary but they were not that harsh, either. If comments like that get AH's dander up, then he's motivated to play for the wrong reasons.[/quote]

true, it's not revenge, but it is a statement he wants to send to JB. Plus the last time the two played, the titans got beat in the playoffs by the ravens when AH last played for the titans and Jason Brown last played for the Ravens.

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[quote=firstdown;589652]Well if you think that AH can stay on the field for 35 minutes taking on two blockers weighing around 600 pounds without taking a breather then I have a bridge for sale.[/quote]


I agree 110%, forget the bridge i got a planet for sale.

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I would be worried if I was Jason Brown. A lot of football players and athletes in general usually fake being mean to try to intimidate or attain some edge over opponents. Not Haynesworth. I think Haynesworth is naturally mean and nasty when he is on the field - even when there's nothing to be angry about.

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[quote=warriorzpath;589730]I would be worried if I was Jason Brown. A lot of football players and athletes in general usually fake being mean to try to intimidate or attain some edge over opponents. Not Haynesworth. I think Haynesworth is naturally mean and nasty when he is on the field - even when there's nothing to be angry about.[/quote]

I agree and I think it serves him well.

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[quote=53Fan;589735]I agree and I think it serves him well.[/quote]

Ol' Stompy McCleaterson? Nah, he's a boy scout at heart....

:oink:

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[quote=CultBrennan59;589612]Remember Skin fans, we got a little story to follow this Ram game. New Center Jason Brown of the Rams said earlier in the year that he couldn't wait to run a no huddle offense on us, because he feels thats the best way to stop Haynesworth. Haynesworth's response was "good let him think that." And coach Zorn's response was "Okay" with chuckle. Now after watching AH take a lot of breathers on the sideline during last weeks game, It got me thinking. Do you think Jason Brown is right, and should we be concerned?[/quote]

Jason Brown needs to be concerned. Rams Oline gave up 3 sacks and Bulger got hit numerous times last weekend. I want to see Orakpo up on the line every play this upcoming game. Fat Albert is gonna eat this weekend.

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[quote=Lotus;589683]I don't really see the revenge angle. Brown's comments were not that inflammatory. The comments were not complimentary but they were not that harsh, either. If comments like that get AH's dander up, then he's motivated to play for the wrong reasons.[/quote]

Last week Moss and Landry both seemed to let their personal agendas (against Webster and Jacobs) get the best of them at the expense of the team. I hope AH doesn't do the same. I don't expect he will

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Albert should be motivated by the fact that he was quite average in his debut as a Redskin (i didn't say bad...average...definitely not dominant). Watching some replay it actually looks like NY didn't consistently double team him. The NY olineman are very good, totally superior to ours, but the highest paid DT in football should be able to punish any offense that goes man up blocking him.

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Im still waiting for our other D-Lineman such as Griff, Daniels, Golston benefit with the double teams on AH. I hate to say but Griff and Daniels are gone after this season. Daniels is aliablity against speed and elusive backs. He is just to slow off the edge. We need Wilson, Rak, and Jarmon on the edge applying pressure. Daniels can slide inside to DT.

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[quote=The Goat;589844]Albert should be motivated by the fact that he was quite average in his debut as a Redskin (i didn't say bad...average...definitely not dominant). Watching some replay it actually looks like NY didn't consistently double team him. The NY olineman are very good, totally superior to ours, but the highest paid DT in football should be able to punish any offense that goes man up blocking him.[/quote]

I think Haynesworth being dominant is the very least thing to worry about. Once he had the chance to make an impact, he made his presence felt and made a statement with the stops on 3rd & 1 and 4th & 1. After this play, Couglin knew for sure they weren't going to get much up the middle. Forget grading Zorn's playcalling, Coughlin should get an F just for this play alone on 4th and inches - to go into the teeth of the redskins D. Unbelievable - his ego must be huge to try to do something stupid as this.

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I wonder if people will fail to fully appreciate his impact this year. Seems like a lot of people, not just fans, are focusing on the stat line 4 tackles 1 for a loss, and automatically writing it off as a poor performance. Will he play better, I have no doubt. But at the same time he's never going to put up gaudy numbers that jump off the stat sheet. I thought his impact was felt on the short yardage stops we had.

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How many yards did the vagiants rush for again? Seems like his impact was subtle but very effective.

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[quote=RedskinRat;589632]Albert will be fine, he won't be the only D Lineman out there.

I have the feeling that Jason Brown is a masochist and can't wait to get slapped about.[/quote]


He won't be the only one sucking oxygen on those humid days either.

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[quote=skins89moss;589941]Im still waiting for our other D-Lineman such as Griff, Daniels, Golston benefit with the double teams on AH. I hate to say but Griff and Daniels are gone after this season. Daniels is aliablity against speed and elusive backs. He is just to slow off the edge. We need Wilson, Rak, and Jarmon on the edge applying pressure. Daniels can slide inside to DT.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. Daniels should pretty much be moved to DT, and be in that rotation. Orakpo should just replace him now at DE, Griffin's got to play harder and command more double teams. Now your probably wondering who would replace orakpo if I were to move him to DE full time, I would just go ahead and sign Derrick Brooks. He could finish out a full season with us.

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[quote=dblanch66;590086]How many yards did the vagiants rush for again? Seems like his impact was subtle but very effective.[/quote]


without looking, 120 yards or so. 50+ for Brandon, and just over 60 for 'Fire'. Fantasy football figures.

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[quote=Mattyk72;590069]I wonder if people will fail to fully appreciate his impact this year. Seems like a lot of people, not just fans, are focusing on the stat line 4 tackles 1 for a loss, and automatically writing it off as a poor performance. Will he play better, I have no doubt. But at the same time he's never going to put up gaudy numbers that jump off the stat sheet. I thought his impact was felt on the short yardage stops we had.[/quote]

If he averages a sack every two games, and we can hold the league's best run offense to 30 yards below their last year's average(Giants w/ 120 or so yds sunday), then we are getting what paid for. His numbers probably will never jump out. I saw him pushing the pocket, i saw one of the leagues best downhill runners be denied the 1 gap almost all game. What i didn't see was anyone else on the defense take advantage of his pressure. Where was Orakpo? Oh i remember, sitting on his heels scared.

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They ran for 103, with Jacobs at 46 (avg 2.9). Bradshaw killed us with 60 and a 5.0 average.

AH plays enough, IMO. The trick is to have a good rotation to keep everyone fresh. To rotate players, you need to take them out of the game at times. We had a forced fumble and a pick off pressure in that game--game changers if our O can move the ball. The long drives hurt, but the D will step up in the next few weeks. The much bigger question is will AH be on the field at all late in the year. That's the crucial thing and we obviously won't know until it happens.

Gints have a good oline, but AH moved em back in the middle. Plus, he keeps people off of London. The big issue is 3rd down short and intermediate pass D, IMO.

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[quote=The Goat;589844]Albert should be motivated by the fact that he was quite average in his debut as a Redskin (i didn't say bad...average...definitely not dominant). Watching some replay it actually looks like NY didn't consistently double team him. The NY olineman are very good, totally superior to ours, but the highest paid DT in football should be able to punish any offense that goes man up blocking him.[/quote]I disagree that Haynesworth was merely average. On the 4th and a foot from our 3 yard line, Haynesworth beat a double team to turn the ball over on downs. He was the biggest reason that the Giants had no success on 3rd and 1 situations. When he was blocked 1 on 1, he pushed the Giants left guard around like a blocking sled. He ended up with 4 tackles (one for a loss), which is a pretty damn good day considering that the G-men consistently ran away from him after realizing that it was futile running through Phat Albert. Don't measure Haynesworth's contribution by stats alone. He is freeing up London Fletcher to make big hits by occupying blockers.

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Phat All has me doing double takes. When he talks off the field he sounds like a nerd. On the sidelines of gameday he looks like someone slapped his mother. Has anyone seen that look in his eyes? I like it. I like it a lot.

RedruM RedruM

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[quote=Monksdown;590109]If he averages a sack every two games, and we can hold the league's best run offense to 30 yards below their last year's average(Giants w/ 120 or so yds sunday), then we are getting what paid for. His numbers probably will never jump out. [B]I saw him pushing the pocket[/B], i saw one of the leagues best downhill runners be denied the 1 gap almost all game. What i didn't see was anyone else on the defense take advantage of his pressure. [B]Where was Orakpo? Oh i remember, sitting on his heels scared.[/B][/quote]

That's the thing I noticed most about the line of scrimmage, when the giants had the ball, compared to last year. I think the battle in the trenches was won by the redskins.

And with orakpo, I don't think he's scared. He is just not comfortable playing at linebacker. He shouldn't be starting there if he's not ready.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;590216]Phat All has me doing double takes. When he talks off the field he sounds like a nerd. On the sidelines of gameday he looks like someone slapped his mother. Has anyone seen that look in his eyes? I like it. I like it a lot.

RedruM RedruM[/quote]

He's got that Mike Tyson thing going for him. A killer with a lisp. Even though phat doesn't really have a lisp, he's so soft spoken he might as well have one.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;590096]I couldn't agree more. Daniels should pretty much be moved to DT, and be in that rotation. Orakpo should just replace him now at DE, Griffin's got to play harder and command more double teams. Now your probably wondering who would replace orakpo if I were to move him to DE full time, I would just go ahead and sign Derrick Brooks. He could finish out a full season with us.[/quote]

Brooks is a weak side backer. If we are going to move Rak to the line we should bring back SLB Marcus Washington.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;590265]Brooks is a weak side backer.[B] If we are going to move Rak to the line we should bring back SLB Marcus Washington[/B].[/quote]

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :)

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We just signed Brooks...and by "We" I don't mean the Redskins

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AH is a DT not a DE or 3-4 LB so anyone expecting him to have "Ware" like numbers is going to be disappointed. He was brought here to collapse the pocket, hurry the QB, and help make the rest of the lines job easier. He's doing that and will do it even better as the season goes on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;590324]We just signed Brooks...and by "We" I don't mean the Redskins[/quote]

I think ESPN is now the favorite to win the Super Bowl.

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A few ideas from this thread caught my eye, even though they're rehashed from previous threads. The idea of putting Rak at full time DE is one I can't put away. He showed little at SLB Sunday. His entire mindset through his amazing growth as a baller and physical specimen has been to get after the QB...tho I think he's also a good tackler when playing as a Dlineman. Can he take over LDE right away? Probably not because that guy has to be a run stuffer in Blache's system. The problem is Daniels has clearly lost a bit of agility and at 300 lbs he's not going to catch many RBs out in the open anyway. And of course if we put Rak at DE who comes in at SLB? Those who answered Marcus Washington get a gold star :)

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Well we also have Jarmon and Chris Wilson who have more speed and agility than Daniels. Daniels is okay against the run but he has no burst off the edge and he is to stiff in space. We need more agility and speed at right DE. Daniels could be used more inside at DT for depth. Wynn should be released and they should bring up Rob Jackson from the practice squad he to could help from the DE spot.