Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

Just asking, is Zorn that bad of a coach and he truly has no idea which way to go with this team, or is it or could it be , that alot of his mental aspects (such AS VINNY AND SYDNER ARE TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT? nOn OF US KNOWS for sure OURSELVES. But the one thing i have seen clearly is he puts no trust in his players. Again this is only my opinion but he has no confidence in the playes this team is doomed before the season is over.

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Ugh.

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If Snyder and Cerrato were calling the plays we would try at least twenty long bombs per game.

Re: Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

Zorn went 8-8 his first year with DS and Vinny in the background. One could argue that that is the sign of a good leader. Just a counterpoint to the thread's premise.

I'm actually not arguing that he's a good or bad leader. I think it is too early to make the call.

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Yo, Insideman--stop with the half-assed bitch and moan threads. You've said this over and over again. Nothing new here. We know. You're pissed and ready to give up on the team after one game, everyone sucks, blah, blah, blah.:bdh:

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[quote=JWsleep;589908]Yo, Insideman--stop with the half-assed bitch and moan threads. You've said this over and over again. Nothing new here. We know. You're pissed and ready to give up on the team after one game, everyone sucks, blah, blah, blah.:bdh:[/quote]

No shit. Send some of these guys to The Jerry Springer Show. My team lost their first game..WAAAAH. :doh:

Re: Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

maybe its just lack of talent?

just a thought

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Please stop with this crazy season is over bs! We will be ok shit... If u have givin up this soon than I'm sorry for u dude.. Jim zorn is a players coach so he is labeled a "nice" guy. But as long as he wins 9 games this yr he will keep the job

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The Front office can't be to concerned with Zorn they did the hiring. With that said it takes 3 years to get his plan into place so lets wait and see how this year goes. We got some crying ass fans that are giving up after 1 game. Man I hope your alot tougher with your own personal affairs cause this aint shit. talk to me if we are 0-16. Pease

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To early to call and it's the first game relax. JZ will turnout to be a very good coach there is no doubt in my mind.

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Unbelievable.

1 game.

1 game.

Re: Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

[quote=insideman;589884]Just asking, is Zorn that bad of a coach and he truly has no idea which way to go with this team, or is it or could it be , that alot of his mental aspects (such AS VINNY AND SYDNER ARE TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT? nOn OF US KNOWS for sure OURSELVES. But the one thing i have seen clearly is he puts no trust in his players. Again this is only my opinion but he has no confidence in the playes this team is doomed before the season is over.[/quote]

Just asking, are you that bad a thread starter and you truly have no idea how to start threads, or could it be that we mods are to blame for allowing you to still start threads?...

Look, as mentioned, we get it. You're upset. And I would agree that I'm frustrated with some of Zorn's playcalling from this past weekend as well. But a) we already have enough threads going where you could have shared your thoughts and didn't need to start yet another, b) I don't even understand what other point is, that Vinny and Snyder are the real coaches? On defense, and special teams as well?, and c) Snyder dude, Snyder...not Synder

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[quote=insideman;589884]Just asking, is Zorn that bad of a coach and he truly has no idea which way to go with this team, or is it or could it be , that alot of his mental aspects (such AS VINNY AND SYDNER ARE TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT? nOn OF US KNOWS for sure OURSELVES. But the one thing i have seen clearly is he puts no trust in his players. Again this is only my opinion but he has no confidence in the playes this team is doomed before the season is over.[/quote]

You should learn how to close parentheses. (Just a pet peeve of mine[B])[/B]

To your point...you have no point and make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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[quote=wilsowilso;589886]If Snyder and Cerrato were calling the plays we would try at least twenty long bombs per game.[/quote]

:laughing2

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I feel your frustration after the loss and I believe we all were frustrated by it . It was one game but the offense and defense seemed the same but we stopped Jacobs from running wild this time. Zorn needs to stop going with his script if the game quickly changes and go by feel like plenty of good playcallers do. I do not blieve it but if someone would is telling Zorn what plays to run in the front office then he needs to be shot. His job is at stake rather with us or a future team. I just think ultimately it all comes down to talent. We just don't have the talent level of the other NFC East teams of other elite teams. We just have to continue through the draft and sign a few free agents here and there.

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all these nonsense threads are giving me a headache

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[quote=53Fan;589910]Send some of these guys to The Jerry Springer Show.[/quote]

The Maury Povich show would be more appropriate for this guy. I think he would like to have some paternity tests done to find the real father of this team.

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OH, The humanity of it all!!

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No you're just a bad poster

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[quote=FRPLG;589989]No you're just a bad [U]poster[/U][/quote]

Are you talking about this:
[IMG]http://www.plasticandplush.com/plasticandplush/images/2008/10/15/minifig550.jpg[/IMG]

or this one:

[IMG]http://www.baiscopelk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Inside_Man.jpg[/IMG]

Cuz I kinda like Jodie Foster, but I could understand if you meant the first one. It is pretty bad.

Re: Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

So you start a thread asking a question if the front office is running the team then you answer the question by say there is no way for any of us to know. So to answer your question. I have know way of knowing.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;589994]Are you talking about this:
[IMG]http://www.plasticandplush.com/plasticandplush/images/2008/10/15/minifig550.jpg[/IMG]

Man where do you find this stuff? :laughing2

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This thread is an epic fail on so many levels.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;589994]Are you talking about this:
[IMG]http://www.plasticandplush.com/plasticandplush/images/2008/10/15/minifig550.jpg[/IMG]

or this one:

[IMG]http://www.baiscopelk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Inside_Man.jpg[/IMG]

Cuz I kinda like Jodie Foster, but I could understand if you meant the first one. It is pretty bad.[/quote]

good one. way to save this sorry thread! lol.

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I don't think zorn is a bad coach. Was Gibbs a bad coach? I frankly don't know what it is because we complain about the same things every year...

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[quote=dmek25;589975]all these nonsense threads are giving me a headache[/quote]

Agreed, time to move on to other things. The nit-picking all week long after one lost game is truly insane, keeps the board cluttered with basically the same old stuff. Enough already.

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It's Wednesday. Has the panic ended? Can I come out of the bunker and have actual discussion or are the chicken littles still running around banging into each other while they scream that the sky is falling?

We lost. We looked bad. We get it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;590012]It's Wednesday. Has the panic ended? Can I come out of the bunker and have actual discussion or are the chicken littles still running around banging into each other while they scream that the sky is falling?

We lost. We looked bad. We get it.[/quote]

Nope, send the doves out again on Friday. for now, go back inside, and be afraid, be very very afraid

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I think you can make a very solid case that Zorn should not be a head coach in the NFL, at least, not yet. Remember, Zorn was hired to be the offensive coordinator, not the head coach. He only became head coach because the Snyderrato's favored candidates [Steve Mariucci, Jim Fassel] evoked such dread in the local fan base and media that management shifted gears. Unable to find a big-name coach [like Bill Cowher] who would work for a fool of a GM, Snyderrato fell back on Zorn. He wasn't supposed to be the head coach of the Redskins and, as far as I know, no other team was pursuing him to be a head coach.

Now, it could turn out that Zorn becomes a very good NFL head coach. We don't know yet. But a person could be forgiven for thinking Zorn is in over his head.

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[quote=Spence;590020][B]I think you can make a very solid case that Zorn should not be a head coach in the NFL[/B], at least, not yet. Remember, Zorn was hired to be the offensive coordinator, not the head coach. He only became head coach because the Snyderrato's favored candidates [Steve Mariucci, Jim Fassel] evoked such dread in the local fan base and media that management shifted gears. Unable to find a big-name coach [like Bill Cowher] who would work for a fool of a GM, Snyderrato fell back on Zorn. He wasn't supposed to be the head coach of the Redskins and, as far as I know, no other team was pursuing him to be a head coach.

Now, it could turn out that Zorn becomes a very good NFL head coach. [B]We don't know yet.[/B] But a person could be forgiven for thinking Zorn is in over his head.[/quote]

Can you make a "very solid case," or do we not know yet? You can't really have it both ways.

By the way, the hiring process logically does not reflect Zorn's ability to coach. Vince Lombardi, hired through a fractured process, would still be Vince Lombardi. Steve Spurrier, hired through a perfect process, is still Steve Spurrier.

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:postcop: Move Along! Nothing To See Here!

:bdh:

Re: Is Zorn just a bad leader or the bigger issues of his coaching coming from the front office
 

[quote=Spence;590020][B]I think you can make a very solid case that Zorn should not be a head coach in the NFL, at least, not yet. Remember, Zorn was hired to be the offensive coordinator, not the head coach. He only became head coach because the Snyderrato's favored candidates [Steve Mariucci, Jim Fassel] evoked such dread in the local fan base and media that management shifted gears. Unable to find a big-name coach [like Bill Cowher] who would work for a fool of a GM, Snyderrato fell back on Zorn. He wasn't supposed to be the head coach of the Redskins and, as far as I know, no other team was pursuing him to be a head coach.[/B]

Now, it could turn out that Zorn becomes a very good NFL head coach. We don't know yet. But a person could be forgiven for thinking Zorn is in over his head.[/quote]

Wow. Glad you have the ability to read minds. I just assumed DS hired who he and VC thought was best - glad to know we fans can actually cause him to hire someone he didn't feel was qualified.

Sorry for the snarky comment, but damn, haven't we been down this road enough. Arrrrggghhhhh.

Going back to my cave. See all the rational folks on Sunday.

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[quote=skinster;589911]maybe its just lack of talent?

just a thought[/quote]



I think skinster might be onto something here...


Last year - actually for the past 2 years - the main WR corps was Moss, ARE and Thrash. Thrash is retired and now it seems to be Moss, ARE and "someone else who they won't throw the ball at".


How has this worked for the last 2 seasons? Why should it work any better this season?

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[quote=Lotus;590037]Can you make a "very solid case," or do we not know yet? You can't really have it both ways.

By the way, the hiring process logically does not reflect Zorn's ability to coach. Vince Lombardi, hired through a fractured process, would still be Vince Lombardi. Steve Spurrier, hired through a perfect process, is still Steve Spurrier.[/quote]

Really. After hiring him as OC they were so impressed with him they decided he was what they were looking for in a HC. I don't care why or how he was hired. Let's see how much our team has progressed at the end of the season and have something to actually base an argument on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;589964].....or could it be that we mods are to blame for allowing you to still start threads?...[/quote]

Well, FINALLY!

Get the pitchforks, boys! We're blaming the Mods!

Just to make this whole 'Negative Nelly' thing easier and less likely to fill the forum with rants could one of the clever Mods figure out a way to link the Zorn-O-Meter to the color (Mood Ring style) of everyones avatar and then we'd know how you feel without you posting every five minutes.

Come on, Mods, one glowing icon in an avatar could save this site.

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I've been reading most of the threads and I can't believe that most fans have given up on the season already. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Giants not the same team that lost three games in the began of the year and made there Super ball run afters. CHILL OUT THE SEASON HAS JUST BEGUN AND THERE IS A LONG WHY TO GO

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[quote=cowboy_killa;590185]I've been reading most of the threads and I can't believe that most fans have given up on the season already. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Giants not the same team that lost three games in the began of the year and made there Super ball run afters. CHILL OUT THE SEASON HAS JUST BEGUN AND THERE IS A LONG WHY TO GO[/quote]


Most fans? Me thinks you are using the wrong word.

Most fans realize that we have played one game.

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[quote=cowboy_killa;590185]I've been reading most of the threads and I can't believe that most fans have given up on the season already. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Giants not the same team that lost three games in the began of the year and made there Super ball run afters. CHILL OUT THE SEASON HAS JUST BEGUN AND THERE IS A LONG WHY TO GO[/quote]


With only 5 posts I can understand why you feel that way.

This site is like the most accurate weathercock for Redskin fan emotional insanity.

Please make sure you're back here for the Shenanigans that a crushing victory brings. You can barely post for sugary love-festiness that breaks out. It's like the H1N1 of euphoria.

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I like the part where post starter leaves and never replies to anyone's responses...considering it's been well over 12 hours, did someone have poster's remorse?

And unless you're a Dane Cook fan, this is a horrible poster:
[img]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.cinematical.com/media/2006/12/employee_of_the_monthsm.jpg[/img]

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[quote=cowboy_killa;590185]I've been reading most of the threads and I can't believe that most fans have given up on the season already. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Giants not the same team that lost three games in the began of the year and made there Super ball run afters. CHILL OUT THE SEASON HAS JUST BEGUN AND THERE IS A LONG WHY TO GO[/quote]

I expected them to lose. It should've been a respectable loss though. 10-6 is good enough for me this year.