About that BOOOING at FED Ex Field
 

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[QUOTE]Those are the kind of characterizations that get thrown around regarding the fans booing at FED EX Field yesterday. In fact, the [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/"][B]Redskins players did not enjoy it[/B][/URL] either. Shout out to Dan Steinberg for getting the pulse of the players on the booing from the Stands.

In fact, a rookie draft pick, [URL="http://twitter.com/redskinslb51"][B]LB Robert Henson, went off [/B][/URL]on the fans, you know, the ones that pay God-awful prices to watch God-awful football, game in and game out. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;592783][url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/about-that-boooing-at-fed-ex-field.html]About that BOOOING at FED Ex Field - DC Pro Sports Report[/url][/quote]

Truth.

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Boo all you want I'm enjoying the win.

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Good artical. I liked the point about Danny not being a new owner anymore. Ill admit i think of him as new still, and atributing his poor management to “growing pains”, is definitely not true. It has not been true for years now. In his tenure he rightfully deserves the criticism.

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One thing ALL fans need to realize is Dan Snyder is NOT a NEW owner. You should not continue to make excuses and say, well, you know, 'he is learning'. NO. Dan Snyder is not learning anymore he has owned this team for a decade now. He has delivered nothing. He has turned a franchise to nothing more than average to mediocre. That is what we have Redskins fans.
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Not sure I see how ticket prices tie into booing a bad performance. Besides, if you don't like the prices don't go, simple as that.

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I was at the game, I am a fan since '72. I have the same feelings as articulated in this blog... but no, I didn't boo; as with the author, that is just not my style.

That was the most dissapointing win that I have ever experienced. My buddy and I drove home to Cecil County feeling like we lost the game... one should feel like that after a win.

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I wasn't at the game, but I was BOOING in my living room. I thought I was watching a high school game. Pathetic. How can a team move the ball so well in the middle of the field and can't cross the endzone?

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I am probably one of the more optimistic skins fans out there, and a huge supporter of Zorn and Campbell. I hate negativity, but at the game I found myself booing. Why?

Well for multiple reasons. It was pathetic, and I was embarrassed to support the skins after what I saw. Even though we moved the ball it got very predictable. We bailed out on some 3 and longs/mediums by Campbell's mobility and Cooley's ability to adapt to coverage. It was sad that I, with very little experience as a playcaller(I play madden somtimes lol) could predict almost every call. All in all, terrible stuff by Zorn.

Also I think the first two boos were less on play calling but more so directed towards Thomas and Sellers for terrible drops. IMO the first half ending boo was completely justified. If players cant deal with it and doesn't understand why we are frustrated then they need to go back to grade school. They should be able to perform under pressure, and the whole "when you boo we play worst" is such a pussy cop-out.

The other boos during the FGs were definitely directed towards Zorn, and most fans around me were complaining about the calling NOT JC. I didnt boo at the end of the game as I left the game after our D's game winning stop. I was too depressed and sad as I walked to our car to even think about the booing. I have never felt this bad after a win. Ever.

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[quote=hooskins;592851]I am probably one of the more optimistic skins fans out there, and a huge supporter of Zorn and Campbell. I hate negativity, but at the game I found myself booing. Why?

Well for multiple reasons. It was pathetic, and I was embarrassed to support the skins after what I saw. Even though we moved the ball it got very predictable. We bailed out on some 3 and longs/mediums by Campbell's mobility and Cooley's ability to adapt to coverage. It was sad that I, with very little experience as a playcaller(I play madden somtimes lol) could predict almost every call. All in all, terrible stuff by Zorn.

Also I think the first two boos were less on play calling but more so directed towards Thomas and Sellers for terrible drops. IMO the first half ending boo was completely justified. If players cant deal with it and doesn't understand why we are frustrated then they need to go back to grade school. They should be able to perform under pressure, and the whole "when you boo we play worst" is such a pussy cop-out.

The other boos during the FGs were definitely directed towards Zorn, and most fans around me were complaining about the calling NOT JC. I didnt boo at the end of the game as I left the game after our D's game winning stop. I was too depressed and sad as I walked to our car to even think about the booing. I have never felt this bad after a win. Ever.[/quote]

All fair points hooskins. However, do you think the players know who is being booed, or do you think the fans are just booing the team in general? I personally don't think it's fair to boo an entire team, which consists of dozens of players, coaches, trainers, etc., simply because a few guys made mistakes.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;592853]All fair points hooskins. However, do you think the players know who is being booed, or do you think the fans are just booing the team in general? I personally don't think it's fair to boo an entire team, which consists of dozens of players, coaches, trainers, etc., simply because a few guys made mistakes.[/quote]

I think many of the booooos were likely aimed at Jim Zorn and the offensive unit. That's at last what I was booooing in my mind.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592813]Not sure I see how ticket prices tie into booing a bad performance. Besides, if you don't like the prices don't go, simple as that.[/quote]

I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;592853]All fair points hooskins. However, do you think the players know who is being booed, or do you think the fans are just booing the team in general? I personally don't think it's fair to boo an entire team, which consists of dozens of players, coaches, trainers, etc., simply because a few guys made mistakes.[/quote]

I think it may have been a combo of both but towards the end it was most definitely Zorn directed. Although I am sure some fans were so drunk and pissed they just booed to boo.



But dude I have no problem with booing. Like I said, freaking grow up. The players sound like kids complaining about the other kids at the playground being mean to them. Was it wrong to boo at the end of a game? Maybe, but still like I said to Matty fans were not impressed with the product. They have a right to say whatever they want.

If the players are getting their panties in a bunch, they need to live a day in the life of Eagles or Raiders player. Geez, little drama queens we have on this team. Fans are fanatics. This is what they do; we love the team when they win and hate em when they lose. This is the nature of sports.

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[quote=hooskins;592857]I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.[/quote]

I agree with you. I've got my Cowgirls tickets for Fedex and if they blow that . . . . :soapbox:

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[quote=Hogroll;592818]I was at the game, I am a fan since '72. I have the same feelings as articulated in this blog... but no, I didn't boo; as with the author, that is just not my style.

That was the most dissapointing win that I have ever experienced. My buddy and I drove home to Cecil County feeling like we lost the game... one should feel like that after a win.[/quote]


Wow if I drove from Cecil county to that game, I think I would have booed. God bless you! I could hardly watch it on TV.

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[quote=hooskins;592857]I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.[/quote]

In addition to those of us that absolutely love the Redskins and football. And have for over 20 years. So making me pay the prices that are outrageous to see a true passion of mien for the last 20 to 25 years, and then putting that crap on the field, yeah, I think there is a money argument too. Again, you can take back a product you are satisfied with, but you cant take back a ticket. Season ticket holders in long term deals get even screwed more because they have to pay despite the front office incompetence. You get what you pay for, but not in DC. FANS are PAYING to keep the franchise in DC and competitive, paying premium prices over many,. many other markets, shoudln't we expcect wise investments?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;592853]All fair points hooskins. However, do you think the players know who is being booed, or do you think the fans are just booing the team in general? I personally don't think it's fair to boo an entire team, which consists of dozens of players, coaches, trainers, etc., simply because a few guys made mistakes.[/quote]

How do you boo just the few who deserve it then? They win as one and fail as one. Plain and simple yesterday they pooped the field. Every single one of them got booed and deserved it to me. Even if they didn't do anything wrong. If I was a trainer for them I would have been embarrassed to be part of it.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;592877]In addition to those of us that absolutely love the Redskins and football. And have for over 20 years. [B]So making me pay the prices that are outrageous to see a true passion of mien for the last 20 to 25 years, and then putting that crap on the field, yeah, I think there is a money argument too.[/B] Again, you can take back a product you are satisfied with, but you cant take back a ticket. Season ticket holders in long term deals get even screwed more because they have to pay despite the front office incompetence. You get what you pay for, but not in DC. FANS are PAYING to keep the franchise in DC and competitive, paying premium prices over many,. many other markets, shoudln't we expcect wise investments?[/quote]

Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.

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If they don't want to be bood then they need to start scoring some TD's. That is the only way to fix this. I do not understand how you can be a player and not feel miserable about not getting in the endzone as a team. If they don't like it, tough. I don't like penalties, mistakes, and poor offensive football, but I have to deal with it. In return they have to deal with my disgust.

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[quote=FRPLG;592897]Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.[/quote]

It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.

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[quote=roth74va;592908]It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! [B]I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.[/B][/quote]

First...we're not baseball, everyone has a salary cap last time I checked.

Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.

Third, fans had the right to boo, they pay for a ticket, they expect a better showing.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;592853]All fair points hooskins. However, do you think the players know who is being booed, or do you think the fans are just booing the team in general? I personally don't think it's fair to boo an entire team, which consists of dozens of players, coaches, trainers, etc., simply because a few guys made mistakes.[/quote]

who cares what they think or how the feel. This team flat out sucksballs. Stop sugar coating all of this.

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[quote=FRPLG;592897]Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.[/quote]

True. No one does make me. But if it is something I'm passionate about and am use to seeing, then i would pay the price. But did i get my money's worth. Now, the people stuck in 10 year contracts, that is different. They are made to stay in their contract despite a crappy product.

Putting the word 'making' in there was a wrong choice of words. I guess it can be described more as being a passionate fan for 25 to 30 years, you wanna go see the team. Dan Snyder wants to rip you for that privilege, but then puts this mediocrity product out there. In other words, because of his high prices and his crappy product I was robbed of a product i enjoyed for 25 years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;592910]First...we're not baseball, everyone has a salary cap last time I checked.

Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.

Third, fans had the right to boo, they pay for a ticket, they expect a better showing.[/quote]

What is the address of the cave you live in or the rock you just crawled out from under??

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[quote=roth74va;592908]It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.[/quote]

I don't disagree that people can boo. In fact boo I did yesterday. My point is that how much you pay for a ticket is irrelevant. People who pay for the $29 obstructed view tickets have no less right to boo than those who for the $99 tickets. Or for fans at home. Fans can boo. Whether you pay for tickets or not means nothing. We're not paying to be fans, we're paying to be at the game in person.

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You buy a night at the Ritz, you expect world class luxury. You shell out a couple hundred bucks for to see the Skins, you expect to see a worthy performance. If your night at the Ritz sucks, you are sure as hell gonna complain -- if my team sucks, they get booed.

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[quote=MCWHITEY;592914]What is the address of the cave you live in or the rock you just crawled out from under??[/quote]

What, you want me to be like you and post nothing but mindless negative rants about the team?

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It's kind of funny how the biggest complaint up until yesterday was that FedEx was filled with a bunch of "transient suits" at the games who couldn't care less about the Redskins. And when the place had fans, it was generally fans of the other team

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[quote=SmootSmack;592922]It's kind of funny how the biggest complaint up until yesterday was that FedEx was filled with a bunch of "transient suits" at the games who couldn't care less about the Redskins. And when the place had fans, it was generally fans of the other team[/quote]

exactly -- we show passion, and now its bad. fans are not mindless cheering machines that always react positively no matter what the team does.

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[quote=Ruhskins;592910]Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.[/quote]

Dude...your wrong! We have alot of talent, but we are not playing up to our potential.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;592912]True. No one does make me. But if it is something I'm passionate about and am use to seeing, then i would pay the price. But did i get my money's worth. Now, the people stuck in 10 year contracts, that is different. They are made to stay in their contract despite a crappy product.

Putting the word 'making' in there was a wrong choice of words. I guess it can be described more as being a passionate fan for 25 to 30 years, you wanna go see the team. Dan Snyder wants to rip you for that privilege, but then puts this mediocrity product out there. In other words, because of his high prices and his crappy product I was robbed of a product i enjoyed for 25 years.[/quote]

A) The argument that Snyder puts a crap product out there is hollow. He isn't trying to put a crap product out there. You can vilify him for doing a poor job of it but he definitely does try to make a winner. That has to be worth something

B) You buy tickets in a package. 10 a year...you know what they cost and here's the kicker...you assume a risk when you buy them. You are risking that they are going to suck. You can't buy them and argue that you didn't get your "money's worth." Your "money's worth" includes that assumption of risk. Now you'll get to decide if you want them next year. Maybe you'll decide that it just isn't worth the risk anymore. But, for now, you are getting exactly what you paid for. 10 tickets to see football games live in person. No guarantee that they'll be any good.

Look I was there and I booed. I booed because they sucked and I am a huge fan and wanted them to know that what they were doing wasn't acceptable to me as a fan. That I had bought a ticket never crossed my mind since it had nothing to do with the dissatisfaction. I wasn't anymore dissatisfied because I was there than had I not been. The Redskins don't "owe" me or you anymore when we go to a game than when we watch it on TV. You're a fan...they owe you a certain amount effort and success regardless of whether you're there. How much? Now that is pretty debatable.

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[quote=bigmarley4;592916]You buy a night at the Ritz, you expect world class luxury. You shell out a couple hundred bucks for to see the Skins, you expect to see a worthy performance. If your night at the Ritz sucks, you are sure as hell gonna complain -- if my team sucks, they get booed.[/quote]

I guess my argument comes down to what exactly you can expect when buying tickets to sporting events. I don't look at it like I am buying the right to see my team play well. I am buying the right to HOPEFULLY see my team play well. If they suck then well crap they sucked but I am still happier having watched them suck in person than on TV. I just like going to games. It's fun. Less fun when they lose but more fun watching them lose live than watching them lose on TV.

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[quote=roth74va;592908]It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.[/quote]


Personally I think the price of the ticket, once you're in your seat, is irrelevant. I know I don't go to games and say, hmm this is a more expensive seat therefore I must cheer or boo louder. Or I'm happier or more dissatisfied with the product now based on how much I paid. No, once you're in your seat the Redskins and the game itself become the focus and object of your passion and energy. The degree of that passion will vary from fan to fan, but I dare say that how much you paid for your ticket or whether it was free has little to do with your enjoyment and raw excitement while Clinton Portis is sprinting 64 yards downfield for a touchdown.

I only bring this up because it seems some are making a very legitimate argument here about booing, proper decorum at the game, and how much one has paid to see the game. I think these are very legit arguments, but I also think those are in the realm of reason and intellect. Fans don't usually operate in that realm four quarters of football. It's raw emotion and it's usually to the extreme which usually matches the pace and intensity of the game. And that's why I think booing, while not acceptable to some, is a part of the game. It's not until afterwards that we may realize that, hey, I pay a lot to see this damn team and I expect better. I just don't think it's a chief concern while they are actually enjoying or not enjoyng the game. At least it's not for me.

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[quote=12thMan;592939]Personally I think the price of the ticket, once you are in your seat, is irrelevant. I know I don't go to games and say, hmm this is a more expensive seat therefore I must cheer or boo louder. Or I'm happier or more dissatisfied with the product now based on how much I paid. No, once you're in your seat the Redskins and the game itself become the focus and object of your passion and energy. The degree of that passion will vary from fan to fan, but I dare say that how much you paid for your ticket or whether it was free has little to do with your enjoyment and raw excitement while Clinton Portis is sprinting 64 yards downfield for a touchdown.

I only bring this up because it seems some are making a very legitimate argument here about booing, proper decorum at the game, and how much one has paid to see the game. I think these are very legit arguments, but I also think those are in the realm of reason and intellect. Fans don't usually operate in that realm four quarters of football. It's raw emotion and it's usually to the extreme which usually matches the pace and intensity of the game. And that's why I think booing, while not acceptable to some, is a part of the game. It's not until afterwards that we may realize that, hey, I pay a lot to see this damn team and I expect better. I just don't think it's a chief concern while they are actually enjoying or not enjoyng the game. At least it's not for me.[/quote]

Great points....and I agree somewhat. I just feel like I could have paid the $4 at the local high school and watched a better football game. Ill be the first one to say....Id have gladly paid twice as much to watch them put a 31-13 beatdown on a JV Rams team. The playcalling was horrible, and for some of the players(Moss) the effort was pathetic. Listening to him on postgame talking about "well we still moved the ball, and got points", maybe thats acceptable to him, but it isnt for me. I wanna see a PROFESSIONAL performance when I go and pay that kind of money to watch a football game.

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Most pro athletes know that there will be booing and they accept that. What really gets to them though is when fans accuse them of not even trying or caring. That is why Henson's comments about just getting paid hit such a nerve. That is not typical of most pro athletes. Contrary to popular belief, most of these guys are not just content with getting their pay check. This is their livelihood and they want to be the best at it.

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[quote=roth74va;592943]Great points....and I agree somewhat. I just feel like I could have paid the $4 at the local high school and watched a better football game. Ill be the first one to say....Id have gladly paid twice as much to watch them put a 31-13 beatdown on a JV Rams team. The playcalling was horrible, and for some of the players(Moss) the effort was pathetic. Listening to him on postgame talking about "well we still moved the ball, and got points", maybe thats acceptable to him, but it isnt for me. I wanna see a PROFESSIONAL performance when I go and pay that kind of money to watch a football game.[/quote]

Hey, no argument there. At think at some point the price and expectation certainly meet up and you just flat out want your money's worth.

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I was there and I didn't boo myself...but I didn't have a problem with those around me who did either. Booing is just noise...it's not throwing things or making personal comments about players...they are simply voicing their opinion about what was a poor offensive performance filled with questionable coaching decisions.