Did D. Hall Just Blast Zorn and the Inept Offense?
 

These comments are kind of interesting. I'm not quite sure what to make of them quite honestly. Thoughts?

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"When you're playing on a team that you're not allowed to make as many mistakes because the score is going to be held a little lower, you've got to concentrate and you got to focus that much more," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "We can't give up a big play like I did [Sunday]. We can't slip, we can't fall, we can't give up a touchdown because we know that one touchdown could be the one that beats us.

"We definitely got to keep guys out of the end zone. We got to keep them held to field goals. If that's the kind of team and the kind of game plan we're going to be playing in, we as defenders, we have to step it up and we kind of know that."

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Yes, he did blast Zorn. However, everything D Hall said was absolutely true. I feel like Zorn is an extension of Gibbs. Not the risk taking offensive minded coach I was hoping for when he signed on after every other coach shunned us.

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I think it's pretty obvious what the players are thinking. Meanwhile Zorn keeps defending his play calling and placing blame on the execution. I hate to say it but unless the offense starts putting up points really soon it won't be long until there's a serious divide in the locker room, and when that happens the season is over.

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He is exactly right and he said it in a very professional way. If he is going to say something publicly alluding to low scoring that's the way to do it.

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I agree, good thoughts there by D. Hall. He said it in the absolute right way too.

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I agree. Hall "blasted" Zorn but he did it by being honest and stating the obvious. The offense is horrible, most noteably due to Zorn's horrible game calling, playcalling, and game management skills. As far as i'm concerned, Zorn cannot be fired (or preferably just demoted) soon enough.

This will definitely be the last year he ever serves as a head coach or calls plays. I do think he is what Mike Holmgren knew he was - an excellent QB coach. But that's all he is. He's in way over his head and he's holding the team back.

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I agree with everything he said there. If this keeps up there will be a rift in the locker room and when that happens good night ladies and gentleman.

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Looking at most NFL point spreads, it obvious that one TD is huge as the teams are so close to each other one TD is often the difference. I dont think its a slam as much as saying that the D cant give away cheap TD because it can mean the difference between a W or L.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;593446]I agree. Hall "blasted" Zorn but he did it by being honest and stating the obvious. The offense is horrible, most noteably due to Zorn's horrible game calling, playcalling, and game management skills. As far as i'm concerned, Zorn cannot be fired (or preferably just demoted) soon enough.

This will definitely be the last year he ever serves as a head coach or calls plays. I do think he is what Mike Holmgren knew he was - an excellent QB coach. But that's all he is. He's in way over his head and he's holding the team back.[/quote]

Totally agree, well said!

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Hall is just making excuses for his shitty play. Everyone knows the offense sucks. But be a leader and not a complainer. Step your game up instead of letting some no name wr beat you like a drum. Hall is starting to show his true colors.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;593452]I agree with everything he said there. If this keeps up there will be a rift in the locker room and when that happens good night ladies and gentleman.[/QUOT


When you don't play well you should not be talking. I respect the fact that Hall steps up, but when everyone else is playing tackle football and you're playing two hand touch, be quiet, get your game together and let it do the talking for you.

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[quote=Longtimefan;593491]When you don't play well you should not be talking. I respect the fact that Hall steps up, but when everyone else is playing tackle football and you're playing two hand touch, be quiet, get your game together and let it do the talking for you.[/quote]

It's not like he is mouthing off. He's been taking a lot of responsibility so far. Considering his rep before coming to us it's clear he's trying to show he has changed his tune.

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[quote=FRPLG;593501]It's not like he is mouthing off. He's been taking a lot of responsibility so far. Considering his rep before coming to us it's clear he's trying to show he has changed his tune.[/quote]

He's definitely not mouthing off or complaining. I know some people love to spin things in the worst light possible, but I just don't see it here.

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Zorn went for it on 4th down, got them close and the offense couldn't punch it in. That's taking risks. We were 0-5 in the redzone. Zorn can take some of the blame not all the blame.

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[quote=FRPLG;593501]It's not like he is mouthing off. He's been taking a lot of responsibility so far. Considering his rep before coming to us it's clear he's trying to show he has changed his tune.[/quote]

Yes. At least he called out himself, too.

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[quote=FRPLG;593501]It's not like he is mouthing off. He's been taking a lot of responsibility so far. Considering his rep before coming to us it's clear he's trying to show he has changed his tune.[/quote]


I understand what you're saying FRPLG. The spotlight is on him, and because of his less than stellar play, his standing up like a man is his way of justifying it. I have a feeling we're going to be talking more about him in the not so distant future.

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Just leave D Hall alone a question was asked to him and he answered it in the best way possible. He knows that he is not playing well at this time but he will play better once the whole defense jell. After watching game of the Rams again I noticed that our d-line is not exploded off the ball until the final possession of the Rams. I think Blache is actually killing our pass rush by not allowing them to shoot gaps. Also, Zorn is a terrible playcaller who thinks he is a genius. From the looks of it our offense will continue to look like it did in 2004 with Gibbs.

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D. Hall was just on ESPN's First Take

- We made too many mistakes. Defensively, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down

- Won't take anything away from the Rams, they played hard

- I definitely felt the fans frustration. Any time you get a win in this league you take it. I can feel their frustration though. We should have put the game out of reach

- Still think we've got some of the best fans in the world. We need to give them something to cheer about

- One mistake could have cost us the game. When I slipped and fell, that one mistake could have cost us the game

- Henson is just a young guy, doesn't know what he's talking about (re: the fans). Chalk it up to immaturity

- Liked the decision to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 2. Not getting in the end zone is inexcusable (I think that's what he said)

- Lions are a dangerous team. We're a 1-1 team going to play an 0-2 team. We can't worry about last year. Last year doesn't matter

- Hosting a charity benefit tonight in DC for the Reading Connection

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;593517]Just leave D Hall alone a question was asked to him and he answered it in the best way possible. He knows that he is not playing well at this time but he will play better once the whole defense jell. After watching game of the Rams again I noticed that our d-line is not exploded off the ball until the final possession of the Rams. I think Blache is actually killing our pass rush by not allowing them to shoot gaps. Also, [B]Zorn is a terrible playcaller who thinks he is a genius.[/B] From the looks of it our offense will continue to look like it did in 2004 with Gibbs.[/quote]

I think that Zorn is both a terrible playcaller and a genius. He just overthinks things too much.

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[quote=skinsfan69;593489]Hall is just making excuses for his shitty play. Everyone knows the offense sucks. But be a leader and not a complainer. Step your game up instead of letting some no name wr beat you like a drum. Hall is starting to show his true colors.[/quote]

Dude what the hell are you talking about? Are you even reading the same article?

[quote=SmootSmack;593435]These comments are kind of interesting. I'm not quite sure what to make of them quite honestly. Thoughts?

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"When you're playing on a team that you're not allowed to make as many mistakes because the score is going to be held a little lower, you've got to concentrate and you got to focus that much more," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "[B]We can't give up a big play [SIZE="4"]like I did[/SIZE][/B] [Sunday]. We can't slip, we can't fall, we can't give up a touchdown because we know that one touchdown could be the one that beats us.

"We definitely got to keep guys out of the end zone. We got to keep them held to field goals. If that's the kind of team and the kind of game plan we're going to be playing in, we as defenders, [B]we have to step it up[/B] and we kind of know that."[/quote]

I don't know what is it in here that you are referring to as making excuses for his play and complaining.

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At least Hall has the balls to own it. Kudos to you D'angelo.

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yeah, he sounds more like a leader than the petulant twat down in ATL.

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If he did, it is warranted.

Zorn better watch it because based on comments from Hall, Cooley, Portis & Moss, I see a fractured locker room a couple of bad losses away.

The players cannot even enjoy a victory anymore.

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Well Hall is the weakest link on the defense and a below average NFL corner so maybe he should leave the "leadership" to guys with true NFL bona fides like London Fletcher. The play against Robinson that he mentions was embarrassing and he looked like he was on skates. But it is not like that was the first, or will be the last, time Hall gets smoked this season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;593506]He's definitely not mouthing off or complaining. I know some people love to spin things in the worst light possible, but I just don't see it here.[/quote]

Agreed. He's saying the type of things an underperforming guy with a huge contract should be saying. And he's right. We need to cut out the mistakes, step it up, and put games "out of reach." I have no issue with these comments.

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[quote=SmootSmack;593526]D. Hall was just on ESPN's First Take

- We made too many mistakes. Defensively, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down

- Won't take anything away from the Rams, they played hard

- I definitely felt the fans frustration. Any time you get a win in this league you take it. I can feel their frustration though. We should have put the game out of reach

- Still think we've got some of the best fans in the world. We need to give them something to cheer about

- One mistake could have cost us the game. When I slipped and fell, that one mistake could have cost us the game

- Henson is just a young guy, doesn't know what he's talking about (re: the fans). Chalk it up to immaturity

- Liked the decision to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 2. Not getting in the end zone is inexcusable (I think that's what he said)

- Lions are a dangerous team. We're a 1-1 team going to play an 0-2 team. We can't worry about last year. Last year doesn't matter

- Hosting a charity benefit tonight in DC for the Reading Connection[/quote]No problem with any of Hall's comments. He's saying the right things

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[quote=SmootSmack;593526]D. Hall was just on ESPN's First Take

- We made too many mistakes. Defensively, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down

- Won't take anything away from the Rams, they played hard

- I definitely felt the fans frustration. Any time you get a win in this league you take it. I can feel their frustration though. We should have put the game out of reach

- Still think we've got some of the best fans in the world. We need to give them something to cheer about

- One mistake could have cost us the game. When I slipped and fell, that one mistake could have cost us the game

- Henson is just a young guy, doesn't know what he's talking about (re: the fans). Chalk it up to immaturity

- Liked the decision to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 2. Not getting in the end zone is inexcusable (I think that's what he said)

- Lions are a dangerous team. We're a 1-1 team going to play an 0-2 team. We can't worry about last year. Last year doesn't matter

- Hosting a charity benefit tonight in DC for the Reading Connection[/quote]

Thanks for the rundown SS.

I agree with the Slingin' one. DHall is saying the right things.

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I don't like it when a defensive player says anything that can be remotely construed as negative about the offense and vice versa. It's just not a good idea to start down that path.

Having said that, I think that he showed the right attitude. I just hope that he and the other players will be careful not to inadvertently cause any locker room problems.

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[quote=FRPLG;593442]He is exactly right and he said it in a very professional way. If he is going to say something publicly alluding to low scoring that's the way to do it.[/quote]


I agree; he tip-toed around the subject well enough to get to his main point, which was accepting responsibility for a mistake.

I like D. Hall. Sure he gets paid a lot of money, money that his play on the field might not support, but he makes up for occasional lapses in coverage with his big play ability; he makes interceptions where most corners in the league do not.

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Hall didn't say anything wrong here.

Like SC said, he's probably not the best messenger, but I don't think that this points to a divide in any way. The offense appears just as pissed that they didn't get in the end zone as well.

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[quote=Lotus;593577]Thanks for the rundown SS.

I agree with the Slingin' one. [B]DHall is saying the right things[/B].[/quote]

not picking on you and anyone in particular but we didnt pay this guy 28 some-odd million dollars in guaranteed money to say all the right things.

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It sounds like he is saying that if you play on a team that has an offense that sucks, you must never make a mistake and give up no touch downs. This definitely sound like offense bashing and coach bashing.

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I understand Zorn is supposed to be a head coach but I found it interesting listening to Arrington going off on how Zorn could not take constructive criticism from Sam Huff and even went so far as to say Zorn does not have a clue, especially when a Hall of Fame QB, which Zorn is not, stated he called the wrong play at the goal line and Sam would have changed the play call to one with a better percentage and Zorn said he would have benched him the rest of the game.

So basically JC does not have room to wiggle when calling plays.

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[quote=over the mountain;593668]not picking on you and anyone in particular but we didnt pay this guy 28 some-odd million dollars in guaranteed money to say all the right things.[/quote]

or to whiff on blocks and tackles. He did play better then the first game but it was only marginally better.

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Here's the deal. Jim Zorn has been, at least I think, called out in the most prolific way, in the media, by insiders, by fans, and more. The Lions game will be absolutely critical and vital to Jim Zorn. His game plan, play calling, and execution will be even more heavily scrutinized. I would think if there were a week that is essential for Jim Zorn to open the offense, it would be this week.

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Well our offense does look horrible so yea I agree with hall.. We canT expect our d to hold teams to 17 or less every wk

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all zorn says is that the plays werent executed properly!!!!!!!!! I MEAN HELLO!!!!!!!!!! im sure if every play was executed to perfection it would work because when they drew it up it was intended to work

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yeah at some point here zorn needs to open it up and show us whether its JC and the recievers execution or his play calling. no better time than now.

for whatever reason it seems no coach has trusted JC to take the training wheels off and let him ride or fall.

- i just want to know whether zorn's playcalling is limited b/c of JC and his lack of trust
or

- zorn calls some deep balls and JC just doesnt let it go, he pump fakes when he should be throwing then gets sacked or pressured to check down. he doesnt trust his own arm. maybe this is a byproduct of having gibbs hammer any skins qb on how important it is to protect the ball.

one thing is certain, i cant remember the last time JC threw a ball to a guy over 20 yds where there was tight coverage. . . .lol its hard for me to take myself serious complaining about our qb not taking chances down field in tight coverage . .ahhh e'fff it lets just run left.

go skins!!

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As long as someone can through to Zorn they get a free pass in my book. In fact if D Hall's comments somehow result in Zorn changing the way he calls plays in the red zone then he will have earned his pay check for the year regardless of how he plays when he's on the field.

or in twitter terms

He b earnin his paper if he gets trough to dis beezwhacks.

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I think Hall made some very good comments in a very smart way. He doesn't blast Zorn, but it is an insult by default to Zorn. With that said, Zorn can't say a word about it. Hall is 100% correct.

If the skins can't score in the red-zone this week, who else thinks Danny might put some feelers out on Mike Shanahan's interest in HC for the Skins?