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mike francesa used to host with the maddog ...here in the tri-state area ..
hes on middays on wfan ...i usually listen on fridays and mondays ..kinda ripped on zorn on his monday show ..saying hes one of the dumbest coaches hes seen in a while ..gave him props as a player said he was a gritty, tough ,heady ..get the job done qb with seattle ..but as a head coach ..just plain dumb as a coach , does things hes never seen before ..also a funny comment felt he would be gone at seasons end , and that gruden would sweep synder off his feet ...and be our next coach ..i could totally see that happening ...holmgren,shanahan,cowher would pass on this mess that is the skins front office anyway just what he said take it with a grain of salt dont kill the messenger

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Did he give specific examples of dumb moves by Zorn?

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[quote=diesl44;594558]mike francesa used to host with the maddog ...here in the tri-state area ..
hes on middays on wfan ...i usually listen on fridays and mondays ..kinda ripped on zorn on his monday show ..saying hes one of the dumbest coaches hes seen in a while ..gave him props as a player said he was a gritty, tough ,heady ..get the job done qb with seattle ..but as a head coach ..just plain dumb as a coach , does things hes never seen before ..also a funny comment felt he would be gone at seasons end , and that gruden would sweep synder off his feet ...and be our next coach ..i could totally see that happening ...holmgren,shanahan,cowher would pass on this mess that is the skins front office anyway just what he said take it with a grain of salt dont kill the messenger[/quote]

Zorn is no Spurrier.

At least Zorn isn't pulling Largent out of Congress and suiting him up as our flanker.

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who the hell is francesa?

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[quote=hooskins;594586]who the hell is francesa?[/quote]

A blowhard. He's one of those 'say a bunch of incendiary things and something is bound to stick' sports talk hosts.

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[quote=diesl44;594558]holmgren,shanahan,cowher would pass on this mess that is the skins front office anyway just what he said take it with a grain of salt dont kill the messenger[/quote]

Sounds good (doesn't mean its true though). They didn't say they never would coach for the skins as far as I have heard. But Schottenheimer said he would never come here and he did. Money talks!!!

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I guess that explains this

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/594186-post45.html[/url]

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Mike is better when he sticks to NY sports.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594688]Mike is better when he sticks to NY sports.[/quote]

yeah where would Francesa come up with such ignorant remarks. we've only been one of the lowest scoring teams under Zorns reign.

I believe We've scored 3 TD in our last 5 home games. good stuff.

Matty, like i told you in the offseason, nothing has changed with the offense.
Believe me, I would have rather been wrong. This sucks.

yeah we scored 2 TD in NY game, by the FG holder and when NY already won the game and was playing Prevent D late in the 4th Qtr.

But I know everyone will come up with excuses....its early, blah blah blah.

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[quote=redskins1974;594693]yeah where would Francesa come up with such ignorant remarks. we've only been one of the lowest scoring teams under Zorns reign.

I believe We've scored 3 TD in our last 5 home games. good stuff.

Matty, like i told you in the offseason, nothing has changed with the offense.
Believe me, I would have rather been wrong. This sucks.

yeah we scored 2 TD in NY game, by the FG holder and when NY already won the game and was playing Prevent D late in the 4th Qtr.

But I know everyone will come up with excuses....its early, blah blah blah.[/quote]

Never said they were ignorant comments, just that he's better when he talks NY sports, that's the market he's in and that's the market he's most focused on. Don't twist what I said to fit your thinking.

But if you want to dive into his comments, is calling a coach "dumb" some sort of brilliant or insightful analysis? He sounds like your typical fan who forms an opinion based on 10 second highlight clips from SportsCenter.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594696]Never said they were ignorant comments, just that he's better when he talks NY sports, that's the market he's in and that's the market he's most focused on. Don't twist what I said to fit your thinking.

But if you want to dive into his comments, is calling a coach "dumb" some sort of brilliant or insightful analysis? He sounds like your typical fan who forms an opinion based on 10 second highlight clips from SportsCenter.[/quote]


I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.

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[quote=redskins1974;594700]I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.[/quote]

I wanted a JC bootleg too, but after the game we found out that he had a bad ankle, so I am guessing they didn't want to aggravate it further.

I still would have liked to see a heavy jumbo set with Mike Williams, as an extra tackle. and just push the line forward, having Sellers lead the way for CP

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[quote=redskins1974;594700]I dont think calling Zorns playcall dumb is insightful, but I think its accurate.
A RB option on the 3 yard line? The ridiculous slow developing 4th down play to Portis that had 5 defenders in the backfield within a second of the snap - how bout a JC bootleg? WE CANT SCORE TD UNDER THIS GUY!

I live in north Jersey and listen to this show. The guy typically knows what he's talking about and does his homework.[/quote]

Well it's been covered that the 4th down failed run was because of a mistake by one of the players on the field who took a different blocking angle and pushed the play to the outside instead of straight ahead

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[quote=redskins1974;594693]Matty, like i told you in the offseason, nothing has changed with the offense.
Believe me, I would have rather been wrong. This sucks.

yeah we scored 2 TD in NY game, by the FG holder and when NY already won the game and was playing Prevent D late in the 4th Qtr.

But I know everyone will come up with excuses....its early, blah blah blah.[/quote]2 games, offense has struggled a bit, but we're 1-1. Let's can the season, 4-12 here we come. If we suck so bad, go root for the Jets.

This isn't directed at you personally, '74 but I'm so sick of all the negativity from "fans". I guess this is just a culmination of reading/seeing/hearing the crap in the media the past two weeks. Life is pretty damn tough as it is, sports is a refuge from the world for a few hours a week. If you can't at least have a somewhat optimistic view of the team you're a fan of then whats the point?

Maybe if we're at a little past mid-season and we're still having these problems, I can understand....but it's Game 2, we WON.

:rant:

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[quote=Paintrain;594635]A blowhard. He's one of those 'say a bunch of incendiary things and something is bound to stick' sports talk hosts.[/quote]He is the most successfull sports talk radio host in the history (although short) of the genre in the US.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;594707]2 games, offense has struggled a bit, but we're 1-1. Let's can the season, 4-12 here we come. If we suck so bad, go root for the Jets.

This isn't directed at you personally, '74 but I'm so sick of all the negativity from "fans". I guess this is just a culmination of reading/seeing/hearing the crap in the media the past two weeks. [B]Life is pretty damn tough as it is, sports is a refuge from the world for a few hours a week. If you can't at least have a somewhat optimistic view of the team you're a fan of then whats the point?

Maybe if we're at a little past mid-season and we're still having these problems, I can understand....but it's Game 2, we WON.[/B]

:rant:[/quote]

This is sensible and intelligent. Anyone feel like listening?

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[quote=coggs;594708]He is the most successfull sports talk radio host in the history (although short) of the genre in the US.[/quote]

And you'd define success by.....

I think Jim Rome may have something to say about that.

For the record, I can't stand Rome either.

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[quote=coggs;594708]He is the most successfull sports talk radio host in the history (although short) of the genre in the US.[/quote]

His show is a bore especially since Mad Dog left.

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[quote=SmootSmack;594705]Well it's been covered that the 4th down failed run was because of a mistake by one of the players on the field who took a different blocking angle and pushed the play to the outside instead of straight ahead[/quote]

Not trying to throw stones, but Zorn was not thinking outside the box. He had his play sheet he apparently did not want to deviate from.

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but why think outside the box at that juncture. You really don't want anything to blow up on you, you want to run a conservative play. Zorn in the one video, clearly says he is going for the firstdown to win, not the score to pad the lead.

I understand the criticism, but with all the additional footage, and information we have, I think his call was more understandable.

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Who?

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[quote=Paintrain;594726]And you'd define success by.....

I think Jim Rome may have something to say about that.

For the record, I can't stand Rome either.[/quote]He and mad dog have been on continuously for 20 years. Dog left and both have continued to have success on their own. The revenues francesa's show generates through advertising is through the roof. Rome is not even close to francesa in terms of that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594729]His show is a bore especially since Mad Dog left.[/quote]

I disagree. I don't like everything francesa does, and do not agree with everything he says, but his knowledge is light years ahead of Dog. I like Russo, but he was more shtick than substance.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;594757]but why think outside the box at that juncture. You really don't want anything to blow up on you, you want to run a conservative play. Zorn in the one video, clearly says he is going for the firstdown to win, not the score to pad the lead.

I understand the criticism, but with all the additional footage, and information we have, I think his call was more understandable.[/quote]

I'm not faulting him for going to it on 4th down. I'm glad we have a HC that has the balls to do that. As someone else pointed out on the board, as a HC you have to be able to get a feel for the game. You have to feel if the momentum is changing. They tried run 3 times and on one of those they actually lost yardage. At some point he should have put the play sheet aside that tells him that on 4th and a yrd or two run the ball and instead decided on a decent pass play and sent it in. Just cause Thomas dropped his pass and Sellers dropped his pass doesn't mean a second time around they will drop the pass again or better yet go to Cooley, or how about sending in Mitchell a long with Kelly.

I think he did the right thing by going for it just wish he would have picked a different play. I know hinde site is 20/20 but if you looked at the 4 times we were down in the red zone Zorn tried run 3 times more then pass.

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=300368]A detailed look at play calling in the Red Zone - EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]

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I live in the area so I have heard francesa a lot. He mostly knows baseball and that's what they talk about for most of the year. That show is the reason I had to buy Sirius Satelite radio. As for his Redskins opinions...they were just that...I don't think he was claiming to have any sources linking Gruden to the Redskins...it was just his opinion which means as much as any of ours.

For the record I share the opinion...if Zorn goes I would like Gruden to coach the skins. I think he's young still and could be long for the job whereas most of the other big names available are older and may just be looking for a swan song payday.

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I agree. If Zorn has to go, Jon Gruden would be my No. 1 choice.

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[quote=GTripp0012;594830]I agree. If Zorn has to go, Jon Gruden would be my No. 1 choice.[/quote]

Gruden? I'm not at all impressed with that guy. He won the SB with Dungy's guys and then really dropped off all the way to a MNF analyst.

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[quote=irish;594833]Gruden? I'm not at all impressed with that guy. He won the SB with Dungy's guys and then really dropped off all the way to a MNF analyst.[/quote]

Turning around the Raiders was his greatest accomplishment as a coach not the super bowl in Tampa. That raider team was a tuck rule away from the super bowl. And he does deserve some credit for the Tampa super bowl. Dungy could not get that team over the hump...gruden came in and improved the offense enough to get them to the super bowl. Dungy had a lot of playoff trouble in Indy also...dungy gets more credit then he deserves as a coach because he is such a good man. Gruden had good teams in 2 different places...I am not saying he's Lombardi just that he's good.

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[quote=irish;594833]Gruden? I'm not at all impressed with that guy. He won the SB with Dungy's guys and then really dropped off all the way to a MNF analyst.[/quote]Agree. And if Chucky says "Happy Birthday Wildcat", or even "Wildcat Offense"one more time, I'm gonna blow my freakin' head off.

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Chucky [I]loves[/I] the wildcat if you can't tell. He's been studying it extensively and when he comes back I think you can bet he's going to implement it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594889]Chucky [I]loves[/I] the wildcat if you can't tell. He's been studying it extensively and when he comes back I think you can bet he's going to implement it.[/quote]
I can tell you he.....wore out he Tampa experience long before his departure, and most fans are quite happy he is gone. To much ego....a little short on winning

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[quote=irish;594833]Gruden? I'm not at all impressed with that guy. He won the SB with Dungy's guys and then really dropped off all the way to a MNF analyst.[/quote]

I agree. Plus he falls in love with every QB he doesn't have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;594830]I agree. If Zorn has to go, Jon Gruden would be my No. 1 choice.[/quote]

I liked him cause he's young and has shown that with talent he can get the job done. Not 1 but 2 SB's. With two different teams. I question his treatment of the players a little but perhaps the Skins need this.

Other then Holmgren at this point who else would be able to come in and keep most of the play calls? I mean Gruden came from Holmgren and so did Zorn. I'm sure there would be some change but not as much as if we went out and picked up Cowher or Shanahan. Although a complete change might be good...especially with some of the players on this team.

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[quote=irish;594833]Gruden? I'm not at all impressed with that guy. He won the SB with Dungy's guys and then really dropped off all the way to a MNF analyst.[/quote]

Some of his problems I believe is in how he handles his players. Although he holds them accountable he pisses them off so some have left or moved on to other teams. I think he's had trouble bringing in decent talent to fill those positions like WR.

but he is great at utilizing the talent he's got.

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[quote=coggs;594796]I disagree. I don't like everything francesa does, and do not agree with everything he says, but his knowledge is light years ahead of Dog. I like Russo, but he was more shtick than substance.[/quote]

Maybe that's what Matty meant by now it's a bore. As someone else mentioned 90% of what Francesa talks about is Yankees and Mets.

As for Gruden, I like him on MNF and I want him to stay there. Would be interesting though if Gruden and Bruce Allen came in a package deal, though I don't see it.

I think we should hire either Brian Schottenheimer or Kyle Shanahan to be our next head coach. Facts are facts people. Hiring sons of former head coaches is the hot new trend sweeping the nation. See Rex Ryan and his 2-0 record. He's freakin' undefeated! You can't argue with that. And don't give me any bs stats about Wade Phillips (or Mike Shula). Those were pre "hot new trend" coaching hires that don't jibe with my theory.