Greg Blache needs to be held accountable for defensive scheme and play!!
 

I questioned whether the defense would take a step back after Greg Williams left. The first year not so much. Blache stuck with most of the schemes Greg Williams used and our defense played decent. Greg used to rush the CBs and the safeties. It seems like he is doing less of that this year. We go with older lineman over more talented youth. Our Dbs play 10 yards off the ball. We only rush 4 D lineman. We put Orakpo at LB where is he a liability in coverage instead of using him on the D line.

We aren't good at tackling. Our secondary scheme sucks and we get no pressure on the QB so it makes the job even harder for the secondary. Has Blache not realized that "The Orakpo Experiment" is not working. You only hear his name during the game when he lines up as a rushers. I just feel like Blache is stubborn and has moved away from the Greg Williams scheme because he has become full of himself.

Someone commented and said that Greg Blache said that sacks are overrated. That tells of him being so full of himself that he thinks his schemes are better than common sense when it comes to football. At one point in the first half the Lions were 9-11 on 3rd down conversions. We can stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We have our issues on offense. But our D has underachieved by a long shot.

If your players are having problems tackling you make them work on it. If what you are doing is not working adapt and try something else. You can't keep doing the same things and expect different results. We go out and sign AH, draft Orakpo and pay D Hall all this money and our defense gets worse. Go figure!!

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Good point for discussion, though I would add the offensive coaches to be held accountable too. Gtripp will love this thread. LOL.

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Everyone needs to be held accountable right now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597482]Good point for discussion, though I would add the offensive coaches to be held accountable too. Gtripp will love this thread. LOL.[/quote]We just lost to the Lions.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597478]I questioned whether the defense would take a step back after Greg Williams left. The first year not so much. Blache stuck with most of the scheme Greg Williams used and our defense played decent. Greg used to rush the CBs and the safeties. It seems like he is doing less of that this year. We go with older lineman over more talented youth. Our Dbs play 10 yards off the ball. We only rush 4 D lineman. We put Orakpo at LB where is is a liability in coverage instead of using him on the D line.

We aren't good at tackling. Our secondary scheme sucks and we get no pressure on the QB so it makes the job even harder for the secondary. Has Blache not realized that "The Orakpo Experiment" is not working. You only hear his name during the game hwen he lines up as a rushers. I jsut feel like Blache is stubborn and has moved away from the Greg Blache scheme because he has become full of himself.

Someone commented and said that Greg Blache said that sacks are overrated. That tells of him being so narccisistic taht he thinks his schemes are better than common sense when it comes to football. At one point in the first half the Lions were 9-11 on 3rd down conversions. We can stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We have our issues on offense. But our D has underachieved by a long shot.[/quote]

Why is Greg Blache here to begin with?

Why isn't another head coach in here with his own staff members? Perhaps because no level headed coaches will even dare take the Skins job under the current management structure.

Blache, Zorn, Campbell, Offense, Defense, it all comes down to the orgin points of how they are all there.

Points to one person if you ask me.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597484]We just lost to the Lions.[/quote]

Exactly......what else can you say, that just about sums it up!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597488]Why is Greg Blache here to begin with?

Why isn't another head coach in here with his own staff members? Perhaps because no level headed coaches will even dare to the Skins job under the current management structure.

Blache, Zorn, Campbell, Offense, Defense, it all comes down to the orgin points of how they are all there.

Points to one person if you ask me.[/quote]

There goes the whole "let's blame only ONE person" attitude.

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See ya Greg.
You know...what explanation could you offer for their play if you are GB....ehr
don't have the talent? Don't have the experience?
People (as the thread says) on this team playes/coaches/FO need to be held accountable...and that is NOT happening

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[quote=GTripp0012;597484]We just lost to the Lions.[/quote]

Still in shock? Don't worry, the crying and breaking stuff mood will come shortly...

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While this game was not very good for the D the fact that our O cannot score over 20 points game after game is the real problem.

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[quote=Mattyk72;597483]Everyone needs to be held accountable right now.[/quote]

I totally agree. But the difference is Zorn is in his second year as a head coach. Blache has been coaching in this league [B]for years[/B] and should know better. He has no excuse at all. I just feel at times when I see him in press conferences that he is full of himself and very stubborn. How do you give him more defensive toys and the D plays worse. Why wont he realize that his experiment with Orakpo has failed?

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[quote=firstdown;597493]While this game was not very good for the D the fact that our O cannot score over 20 points game after game is the real problem.[/quote]

They are both a problem, what's wrong with saying that.

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[quote=firstdown;597493]While this game was not very good for the D the fact that our O cannot score over 20 points game after game is the real problem.[/quote]Turns out we still have yet to find that one guy who can score...while on the sideline.

Or on the field for that matter.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597490]There goes the whole "let's blame only ONE person" attitude.[/quote]

You can effect all those other positions through that one person.

Better than toiling away trying to put your finger on what position we can improve. We just got toasted by the lions. Sure as shit ain't one position that's hurting us right now.

Keep changing positions one at a time and see where that gets you. See you at Spurrier 2.0.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597497]They are both a problem, what's wrong with saying that.[/quote]

I totally agree. I think we have ripped Zorn to shreds on here. But Blache needs to get ripped just as much. Add to that Blache was giving Stafford so much praise during the week. You would think his D would be prepared. ON top of that Stafford didn't look that special. Their running back almost had 100 yards in the first half. He would have ran on us more if he didn't get hurt. Add to that they were dominating in time of possession. So things might have been worse if not for that injury.

I want to change my quote to this..

[I]"Sacks are overrated"[/I] - Greg Blache, Defensive Coordinator

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[quote=Ruhskins;597497]They are both a problem, what's wrong with saying that.[/quote]
Because the O is ranked at the bottom and the D has been ranked much higher. The problem is that sense our O cannot score we expect for the D to win all of our games and that would be fine if we had the best D in the NFL. We don't so the O has to help at some point in games. We have 4 TD's this year and one was by our punter and some how it the D's fault we are loosing games?

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[quote=firstdown;597505]Because the O is ranked at the bottom and the D has been ranked much higher. The problem is that sense our O cannot score we expect for the D to win all of our games and that would be fine if we had the best D in the NFL. We don't so the O has to help at some point in games. We have 4 TD's this year and one was by our punter and some how it the D's fault we are loosing games?[/quote]Who cares where they are ranked? What does that change?

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Blache is a hunter, isn't he? Snyder should go buy him a shotgun, bow and arrow and send his ass packing into hunting retirement!!! We need some young innovative infusion, Gray or Olivadotti can provide that. We might as well make this move or risk losing them.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597503]You can effect all those other positions through that one person.

Better than toiling away trying to put your finger on what position we can improve. We just got toasted by the lions. Sure as shit ain't one position that's hurting us right now.

Keep changing positions one at a time and see where that gets you. See you at Spurrier 2.0.[/quote]

Yup, only one person is to blame. Let's not get everyone accountable for f'ing things up, let's just pin it on one person.

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[quote=firstdown;597493]While this game was not very good for the D the fact that our O cannot score over 20 points game after game is the real problem.[/quote]

The highly touted Skins D let the crappy lions drive the ball 99 yds for a touchdown.

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[quote=firstdown;597505]Because the O is ranked at the bottom and the D has been ranked much higher. The problem is that sense our O cannot score we expect for the D to win all of our games and that would be fine if we had the best D in the NFL. We don't so the O has to help at some point in games. We have 4 TD's this year and one was by our punter and some how it the D's fault we are loosing games?[/quote]

And our expensive defense let Stafford beat us.

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[quote=Stacks42;597515]The highly touted Skins D let the crappy lions drive the ball 99 yds for a touchdown.[/quote]

And amass 381 yards total offense with a rookie QB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597510]Blache is a hunter, isn't he? Snyder should go buy him a shotgun, bow and arrow and send his ass packing into hunting retirement!!! We need some young innovative infusion, Gray or Olivadotti can provide that. We might as well make this move or risk losing them.[/quote]


LMAO. As for the defensive ranking. Stats are important but not everything. :D. If we dont makes some changes I don't think our D will be ranked that high for long.

Re: Zorn and Greg Blache needs to be held accountable!!
 

I have totally given up this year on the skins. Its obvious that the players don't care so why should I. Zorn is a nice guy but we need someone who will put players in there place and who has credibilty. I say unfortunately Zorn must be let go tonight. Whats the difference now we all know that he lost the team already. It needs to be done ASAP.

Turn the team over to Bugel until bye week where the new coach is installed or just turn the team over to the new coach ASAP were only in three weeks.

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Blache is a smug inept defensive coordinator. It'd be different if we'd won the Superbowl last season or something. I'd start the changes by firing Blache first. No reason to let the Lions dominate our defense.

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I thought this was the year where the sack numbers would sky rocket. The 'Skins let a rookie QB beat them, and I really don't know where the "D" went!

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The D is fine. Dont fire him after this game what about the first 2 weeks. O didnt do anything.

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Greg Blache at the Bears...

"During his tenure, Blache's defenses forced 138 turnovers, including 37 in 2001, the most by a Bears defense since 1990, and accounted for 13 touchdowns (two in 1999, four in 2000, five in 2001, one in 2002, and one in 2003).
In 2002, Blache dealt with numerous injuries, leading to 11 different starting line-ups over the course of 16 games. While juggling personnel, the Bears defense continued with their attacking, aggressive style that set records during the 2001 season.
They forced 64 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and reached a league plateau by forcing at least one turnover in 33 consecutive games, the second longest active streak in the NFL at the time.
In 2001, Blache molded the Bears defense into one of the top units in the league, producing the top-ranked scoring defense by allowing only 203 points in 16 games (12.7 points per game). His run defense finished second in the NFL and first in the NFC, allowing just 82.1 yards per game, while allowing only three rushes of 20 yards or more all seasons and only six rushing touchdowns."

Is this the same guy that runs our defense?

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Problems go beyond Greg Blache. Problems lie in talent level.

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quote=firstdown;597505]Because the O is ranked at the bottom and the D has been ranked much higher. The problem is that sense our O cannot score we expect for the D to win all of our games and that would be fine if we had the best D in the NFL. We don't so the O has to help at some point in games. We have 4 TD's this year and one was by our punter and some how it the D's fault we are loosing games?[/quote]
Can't stop the Lions? Does any more need to be said?
BTW, that's the 0-19 Lions.......

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597574]Problems go beyond Greg Blache. Problems lie in talent level.[/quote]It's not like we don't have young defensive guys on the bench though.

This isn't the offense which just sort of has to stay the course and hope for internal development. We've spent 3 of the last 4 years rebuilding the defense, and if the current guys aren't going to get it done, you can lose with the young backups (like Barnes, Tryon, Montgomery, Jarmon, Orakpo at RE, Blades, Westbrook, etc).

It might not be any better, but until you find out of the young talent can actually play, you don't have a talent issue.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597501]Turns out we still have yet to find that one guy who can score...while on the sideline.

Or on the field for that matter.[/quote]

Campbell made good use of Rock on the late TD drive.

Blache gone would not hurt my feelings.

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i thought Blache called the right plays but i think Zorn should be accountable because for 3rd straight week, the entire team wasnt motivated.

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Someone needs to be punished, and it isn't JC. It was really clear today, that we got out coached. JC had a really good game passing the rock, but we still lack the play calling creativity to push it in. This is probably going to be the one time that Snyder doesn't jump to a quick decision. This will last all year long, and I think it's going to be a painful one.

HTTR!!!!!!

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i thought the defense would play a lot of press man to man because of our improved d-line but our corners are giving such a huge cusion it's rediculous(sp). i'm extremely disappointed in the defense sofar this season.

btw, i agree with the comment about making orakpo a full time pass rusher, forget that lb crap.

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I think my position on Blache is pretty clear by now. If anyone is over-rated it's him. Portis fails to get one yard and it's not his or the o-lines fault, it's Zorns. Sellers drops a TD pass that hits him right in the hands and Zorns a bad playcaller. The offense is going up and down the field better than it has in years, but the players make stupid mistakes once they get inside the redzone and it's Zorns fault.

The defense can't tackle, can't get off the field, plays too far off the receivers, can't get to the QB, partially because the best pass rushing DE to come out of college last year is running around chasing TE's instead of the QB, and Blache basically tells everyone they don't understand defense whenever he gets questioned. We didn't draft an 0-lineman with our first pick, we drafted a DE. We didn't sign the best o-lineman available in free agency, we signed the best DT. We signed a DE in the supplemental draft. We resigned Hall to a huge contract. How much exactly does Blache need for us to have a defense that can get some 3 and outs, some turnovers, and more than 1 sack a game? How much do we need to stop Detroit from marching 99 yards?

When he was dismissed in Chicago he didn't get any offers to be a DC anywhere else that I know of. He came here to coach the line for Greg Williams and had the title of DC in name only, Williams ran the "D". Stafford looked like a probowl QB today and it's inexcusable. Blaches comments were that there is a reason the Lions picked him #1. There is also a reason why they were 0-2 before they played us and Stafford had 5 picks in those games. Our offense needs work, but mainly the players need to stop making mistakes in the redzone. We've gotten better players on defense but I have'nt seen any improvement, in fact, we've gotten worse. Blache should be held accountable and if he doesn't like it he can leave.

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[quote=duetsch215;597583]i thought Blache called the right plays but i think Zorn should be accountable because for 3rd straight week, the entire team wasnt motivated.[/quote]

How are other teams motivated? Does this signal a problem with the players we sign? The direction of the franchise? Why do we seem to talk about motivation year in and year out? Are players just coming to DC for a big pay day?

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[quote=hagams;597589]Someone needs to be punished, and it isn't JC. It was really clear today, that we got out coached. JC had a really good game passing the rock, [B][U]but we still lack the play calling creativity to push it in. [/U][/B]This is probably going to be the one time that Snyder doesn't jump to a quick decision. This will last all year long, and I think it's going to be a painful one.

HTTR!!!!!![/quote]


the announcers were saying that during the end of the game, when the skins were in a no huddle, that campbell was calling the plays. if thats true then i say let campbell call all the plays for now on because he did a pretty good job.

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Lions losing streak, snapped at 19 games.

Redskins streak of games without a defensive touchdown, now at 29 games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597603]Lions losing streak, snapped at 19 games.

Redskins streak of games without a defensive touchdown, now at 29 games.[/quote]
If the O scores we dont need a defensive touchdown