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Just read this on Dan Steinberg's DC sports bog. We haven't had a Lavar thread in a while, and certainly not one like this. He might have an axe to grind, but he also has some insight. Interesting read, Lavar the revolutionary!

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/lavars_letter_to_redskins_fans.html]D.C. Sports Bog - LaVar's Letter to Redskins Fans[/url]

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I love the Skins fan in this pic, pretty much sums up how I feel watching the game on Sundays

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/lavarlettertofans.jpg[/IMG]

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He is 100% right about the ownership. I sell T-shirts at the games that say TRADE SNYDER with a picture of him holding wads of money in his hand and he has devil horns and tail. He is the devil of the redskins and everyone that follows the NFL knows it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599199]I love the Skins fan in this pic, pretty much sums up how I feel watching the game on Sundays

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/lavarlettertofans.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


Aint that the truth

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I stopped reading after LaVar referred to himself as a "great of the past."

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On one hand you have to take Lavar's Twitter with a grain salt because he's still pissed at Snyder over getting screwed out of all those millions and the public spat that ensued. But on the other hand he brings up a few interesting points. However, at the end of the day this is still Snyder's team and he'll do what he damn well pleases. It won't do the fans any good to march down to Redskins park and protest. Something like that would make for good media fodder though.

I'll also add that Lavar's argument, excuse me epiphany, is a bit flawed. Lavar presupposes that he's somehow in a unique postion to bring these things to light and that he is, perhaps, more passionate about the Redskins than Dan Snyder. I don't buy that. In fact, I don't at all question Snyder's passion for this team. His intentions may be misplaced at times, but I truly believe he has an abiding concern for this franchise.

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I guess I just don't understand the Snyder hate. I think it's all still based on when he first became an owner, and even Snyder admitted he made a mistake early in his career. I feel like Snyder runs the business side of the skins. Yeah, he wants to see whats going on and know what's happening in his organization, I'd be the exact same way. He was a tie breaker between Vinny and Gibbs, not as if he was saying Draft player X.

Snyder is an easy scapegoat I guess for fans to blindly blame when a team is doing poorly. I think this teams performance for the last decade has fallen primarily on the coaches and earlier in the decade, we didn't have much talent. Gibbs on -- coaching has been lacking.

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[quote=Daseal;599216]I guess I just don't understand the Snyder hate. I think it's all still based on when he first became an owner, and even Snyder admitted he made a mistake early in his career. I feel like Snyder runs the business side of the skins. Yeah, he wants to see whats going on and know what's happening in his organization, I'd be the exact same way. He was a tie breaker between Vinny and Gibbs, not as if he was saying Draft player X.

Snyder is an easy scapegoat I guess for fans to blindly blame when a team is doing poorly. I think this teams performance for the last decade has fallen primarily on the coaches and earlier in the decade, we didn't have much talent. Gibbs on -- coaching has been lacking.[/quote]

I used to feel the same way but now I'm coming around to the idea that the common denominator all along has been Snyder.

We've tried different coaches with different philosophies and obtained the same results. I don't buy the talent issue or the coaching issue. There's no way this team should be losing to the Lions or barely beating the Rams. I'm not saying we have the most talent in the league, but we're certainly in the middle of the pack at least and shouldn't be struggling with the bottom feeders of the league.

I do think it's time for Snyder to hire a reputable football mind to be the GM and run the show with 100% authority over all football related decisions, and time for Snyder to step into the background and resign himself to inking the paychecks only.

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[quote=Daseal;599216]I guess I just don't understand the Snyder hate. I think it's all still based on when he first became an owner, and even Snyder admitted he made a mistake early in his career. I feel like Snyder runs the business side of the skins. Yeah, he wants to see whats going on and know what's happening in his organization, I'd be the exact same way. He was a tie breaker between Vinny and Gibbs, not as if he was saying Draft player X.

Snyder is an easy scapegoat I guess for fans to blindly blame when a team is doing poorly. I think this teams performance for the last decade has fallen primarily on the coaches and earlier in the decade, we didn't have much talent. Gibbs on -- coaching has been lacking.[/quote]

So you think Vinnie and Zorn were the driving forces behind the failed Cutler and Sanchez acquisitions? Because I'm not so sure about that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599219]I used to feel the same way but now I'm coming around to the idea that the common denominator all along has been Snyder.

We've tried different coaches with different philosophies and obtained the same results. I don't buy the talent issue or the coaching issue. There's no way this team should be losing to the Lions or barely beating the Rams. I'm not saying we have the most talent in the league, but we're certainly in the middle of the pack at least and shouldn't be struggling with the bottom feeders of the league.

I do think it's time for Snyder to hire a reputable football mind to be the GM and run the show with 100% authority over all football related decisions, and time for Snyder to step into the background and resign himself to inking the paychecks only.[/quote]


I personaly think the best coach that was here during the Synder era was Marty and I found it very interesting that Lavar pointed out of all the coachs he played under here Marty was the only one not to fold under Dan's pressure.

Also no way Lavar actually wrote this tweet, it may be his ideas but someone else typed it up.

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Also, if you want the true hollywood story on Dan wait until Cooley is either traded, released or retires. He is going to tell it like it is. He is vocally now beut I am sure he keeps quite now about Dan becasue who would bite the hand that feeds you but once he is truley done being feed by Dan the turth will fly.

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[quote=Daseal;599216]I guess I just don't understand the Snyder hate. I think it's all still based on when he first became an owner, and even Snyder admitted he made a mistake early in his career. I feel like Snyder runs the business side of the skins. Yeah, he wants to see whats going on and know what's happening in his organization, I'd be the exact same way. He was a tie breaker between Vinny and Gibbs, not as if he was saying Draft player X.
[B]
Snyder is an easy scapegoat[/B] I guess for fans to blindly blame when a team is doing poorly. I think this teams performance for the last decade has fallen primarily on the coaches and earlier in the decade, we didn't have much talent. Gibbs on -- coaching has been lacking.[/quote]


That's my belief too. Rather than see an owner who is learning and changing, it sounds like LaVar is stuck in the past (where he was a Redskins great :yeahright) and is just hating Snyder.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599199]I love the Skins fan in this pic, pretty much sums up how I feel watching the game on Sundays

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/lavarlettertofans.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

You found tryfuhl! :rofl:

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With all apologies to Matty, LaVar is the true Ego. Having spent a lot of time with him (granted it was over five years ago), I know he is an extremely stubborn, "I am never wrong" person. Nice guy, courteous. But he pretty much has remained bitter because people in the organization told him what he apparently had never been told before "You know what LaVar...sometimes your shit does stink"

He needs to get over it already

That said, the ownership situation had serious issues when LaVar was here. The ownership situation is soooo much better than it was when LaVar was here. Sooo much better. RIP Gerald Snyder but he was way too influential in roster decisions back in the day. And then there was Fred Drasner, who was basically everything fans assume Snyder to be. I believe Dan Snyder was too influenced by the impetuous nature of Drasner and the desire to get his dad all the players he wanted. With Fred Smith and especially Dwight Schar Snyder (Dan) has a stronger ownership group supporting him.

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[quote=mredskins;599228]Also, if you want the true hollywood story on Dan wait until Cooley is either traded, released or retires. He is going to tell it like it is. He is vocally now beut I am sure he keeps quite now about Dan becasue who would bite the hand that feeds you but once he is truley done being feed by Dan the turth will fly.[/quote]

You know there are plenty of ex-Skins out there that don't have anything negative to say about Snyder. In fact they probably outnumber those that are always railing on him.

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The problem is that even if Lavar is right, there is nothing to be done about the situation other than to pray that Snyder wakes up.

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Snyder has owned the team long enough to learn and know the NFL. The learning and changing phase is over for Dan. He's got the money. If he needs to realize that building a winning team starts from the top down. It starts with him. I do realize in his mind, he thinks he is doing everything possible to build a winning team, but he is ignoring key areas in making that possible. Vinny is not the answer. The hands on approach to an NFL team isn't the answer either.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;599229]That's my belief too. [B] Rather than see an owner who is learning and changing,[/B] it sounds like LaVar is stuck in the past (where he was a Redskins great :yeahright) and is just hating Snyder.[/quote]

It's been 10 years. The time for learning has passed. We should be getting better results. But I do agree that LA isn't exactly the guy to be selling the message. What with being all bitter and totally biased. Maybe B Mitch would be better. Oh wait..

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[quote=Mattyk72;599219]I used to feel the same way but now I'm coming around to the idea that the common denominator all along has been Snyder.

We've tried different coaches with different philosophies and obtained the same results. I don't buy the talent issue or the coaching issue. There's no way this team should be losing to the Lions or barely beating the Rams. I'm not saying we have the most talent in the league, but we're certainly in the middle of the pack at least and shouldn't be struggling with the bottom feeders of the league.

I do think it's time for Snyder to hire a reputable football mind to be the GM and run the show with 100% authority over all football related decisions, and time for Snyder to step into the background and resign himself to inking the paychecks only.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I'll never say Dan Snyder doesnt want to win, because he clearly tries very hard to win. He doesnt bring in a guy like Albert Haynesworth because he just wants to get by and cash paychecks... We may disagree with Snyder on a lot of things, but you cannot deny the guy wants to win football games...

I am just coming aroudn to the fact that he doesnt know how. We need someone who has proven they know how to build a successful football team and have them start to actually build this team. Games are won and lost in the trenches.. I cannot understand why we have ignroed the offensive lines so much the last 2/3 seasons, yet draft guys like Fred Davis when we already have an all - pro tight end. I understand we had a great offensive line in 2005/2006, but we have to be looking ahead as well when things are going well (even though the Oline was all that was giong well in 06), and get guys ready to step in when guys are getting old. I dont think Randy Thomas ever plays a down for the Skins' again, so we have Reinhardt in there.. what if he goes down? We have a guy who was a rookie undrafted free agent ready to fill in?

I'm starting to think about the reason we hear Vinny Ceratto is so "high" on these guys.. is because its going to look awful we have to admit they're nothing more than backups.

I'm just ranting now, but I agree with Matty. It is time for a football mind to take hold of the Redskins and build the team.

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PS: While I'm sure he's not 100% incorrect... and I probaboly sided more with LaVar at the begining... he just needs to let it go, he sounds like more and more of a little baby each time he talks about Snyder... Granted I dont know what happened, but move on... and you should not be considering yourself as great as "B-Mitch, Charles Mann, Art Monk, Riggo, Monte Coleman, the Hogs" ... Chris Samuels who was drafted a spot after you is 100x the Redskin you were.

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LaVar has a point but the Skins are an easy target right now. They lack talent at the management, coaching, and player level. Heck I heard the parking attendants at Fedex stink too. As for banding together for a revolution and going over to Redskins park--it's a bit much--just stop buying tickets and merchandise if you don't like the product. Eventually the ownership may realize they need to do something different. Or maybe not. In the meantime save your dollars for a better product.

One fact that I just heard blew me away--since our last Super Bowl team 18 years ago--only the Skins and Lions have failed to reach the NFC Championship game!

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If we're going to evaluate the Redskins performance over the last 10 years Snyder has a cross-hair on his forehead. Snyder hired Zorn so ultimately he has to take responsibility the performance. It's really time for him to completely step aside and let someone else run the show for a change. 5.5 coaches in 10 years isn't going to win you a championship anytime soon.

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[quote=NYCSkin;599297]LaVar has a point but the Skins are an easy target right now. They lack talent at the management, coaching, and player level. Heck I heard the parking attendants at Fedex stink too. As for banding together for a revolution and going over to Redskins park--it's a bit much--just stop buying tickets and merchandise if you don't like the product. Eventually the ownership may realize they need to do something different. Or maybe not. In the meantime save your dollars for a better product.

One fact that I just heard blew me away--since our last Super Bowl team 18 years ago--only the Skins and Lions have failed to reach the NFC Championship game![/quote]

Yeah...but we blew out the Lions in that game!

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[quote=NYCSkin;599297]LaVar has a point but the Skins are an easy target right now. They lack talent at the management, coaching, and player level. Heck I heard the parking attendants at Fedex stink too. As for banding together for a revolution and going over to Redskins park--it's a bit much--just stop buying tickets and merchandise if you don't like the product. Eventually the ownership may realize they need to do something different. Or maybe not. In the meantime save your dollars for a better product.

[B]One fact that I just heard blew me away--since our last Super Bowl team 18 years ago--only the Skins and Lions have failed to reach the NFC Championship game[/B]![/quote]

I had to check that and you are right, god we are an Epic Fail. =(

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Jack Kent Cooke handed the team over to Richie Pettibon after Gibbs retired the first time and the result was not good. He then tried to strike gold for a second time by hiring a hot young assistant named Norv who we all, I'm sure, would like to forget. Then Danny bought the team, ousted Norv in the middle of a season, Robiskie took over...and well...you all know the rest. The point is that this poor coaching situation has plagued this team since the early nineties when the team had a GREAT owner in Mr. Cooke.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599303]Yeah...but we blew out the Lions in that game![/quote]

What a great game and season that was...seems like we blew out people almost every week. I sound old just saying that...turned 38 yesterday...guess I am!

Not sure about Casserly--still have bad memories of Bobby Wilson, Tom Carter, and Andre Johnson. I'll hang Desmond Howard on Gibbs and Shuler on Norv. For another thread I suppose...

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Like I said in the first post, Lavar has an axe to grind- it's obvious that he's still lobbying to the fans that he was right.

But as NYCSkin pointed out, the Skins are an easy target right now. What if Lavar said this stuff this summer? I think most everyone (maybe 75%) here would call him out as just being bitter. Now, after stories of the skins suing fans & losing to the Lions, his bitterness has new life.

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[quote=Lotus;599260]The problem is that even if Lavar is right, there is nothing to be done about the situation other than to pray that Snyder wakes up.[/quote]

Correct.

I don't bemoan Lavar. I don't think all his comments come from bitterness. There have been too many ex-respected Redskins as the same stuff. We all know it. We are not blind and can see it ourselves. He has a unique perspective being in the organization as a former players. But Lotus is right. The only thing we feel can do is express displeasure and quit filling Snyder's coffers. Outside that, very little.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599233]With all apologies to Matty, LaVar is the true Ego. Having spent a lot of time with him (granted it was over five years ago), I know he is an extremely stubborn, "I am never wrong" person. Nice guy, courteous. But he pretty much has remained bitter because people in the organization told him what he apparently had never been told before [B]"You know what LaVar...sometimes your shit does stink"[/B]

He needs to get over it already

That said, the ownership situation had serious issues when LaVar was here. The ownership situation is soooo much better than it was when LaVar was here. Sooo much better. RIP Gerald Snyder but he was way too influential in roster decisions back in the day. And then there was Fred Drasner, who was basically everything fans assume Snyder to be. I believe Dan Snyder was too influenced by the impetuous nature of Drasner and the desire to get his dad all the players he wanted. With Fred Smith and especially Dwight Schar Snyder (Dan) has a stronger ownership group supporting him.[/quote]

Did they really say that to Lavar? What was his reply? NO? :)

Seriously, it's good to hear that things have changed for the better, and it seems so from my perspective as a fan. However, ironic as it sounds, Snyder, who's made a bundle in marketing/pr, does a terrible job of pr w/the paying fans & marketing himself.

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[quote=mredskins;599224]I personaly think the best coach that was here during the Synder era was Marty and I found it very interesting that Lavar pointed out of all the coachs he played under here Marty was the only one not to fold under Dan's pressure.

Also no way Lavar actually wrote this tweet, it may be his ideas but someone else typed it up.[/quote]

I do to. Marty had an 8-3 run at the end of his tenure and really seemed, after a rough start, that the roster was buying into what he was preaching and his rugged coaching style. Only problem was, Snyder wasn't having fun.

For those of you that think Snyder is not involved, just look at all the free agents that have been signed. They all thank Dan Snyder for his direct involvement. You have to be pretty blind to think Dan Snyder sits at Redskins park and is dumb to what the football operation sis doing.

Snyder is involved in all aspects of this franchise, there are wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many ex-players who have mentioned that besides Lavar Arrington.

Being blind to all this and thinkign dan Snyder is not the problem is an option for you. But, these problems are NOT from pre-Snyder Era, may I remind you that was a DECADE, TEN YEARS AGO! You mean to tell me boy genious can not fix things over a 10 year period??????????????? Other franchises do it over a few years.

Snyder is involved. That's why marty didn't last. That's why we have Zorn. Other reputable coaches won't coach here withotu Snyder ceding control. You think he will do that?

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I think Lavar's opinion is skewed. Just a little cause if I were him I would still be bitter. However even us fans have pointed our fingers at the ownership. The problem is and will always remain is that DS is not going anywhere. I'm not sure what the fans think will happen? DS is going to say "Man, I must be the problem so I'll just go out and sell the team." That aint going to happen. As long as this team is making money then all the powers that be will be content. It's not like the fans are going to rally together and force DS to sell the team unless he's losing money over several yrs not just one. and If I'm correct we would find DS moving the team saying "the market is weak in DC."

Can any of the other owners force DS out? I doubt it. So now you know your stuck with DS. accept it. move on.

The only thing fans can hope for is DS finally steps back and gets good football people to run the show and just enjoy the games on Sun. Unfortunatly that would mean he would have to admit he's not as good as he thinks he is and that might not happen either.

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I tell you who had a great point during an interview, Phillip Daniels. Following the game he said that the Giants were looking up at the rest of the NFC East the year they won the Super Bowl. Ironically it was the win against the Redskins that jumped started the whole roll.

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[quote=SBXVII;599351]I think Lavar's opinion is skewed. Just a little cause if I were him I would still be bitter. However even us fans have pointed our fingers at the ownership. The problem is and will always remain is that DS is not going anywhere. I'm not sure what the fans think will happen? DS is going to say "Man, I must be the problem so I'll just go out and sell the team." That aint going to happen. As long as this team is making money then all the powers that be will be content. It's not like the fans are going to rally together and force DS to sell the team unless he's losing money over several yrs not just one. and If I'm correct we would find DS moving the team saying "the market is weak in DC."

Can any of the other owners force DS out? I doubt it. So now you know your stuck with DS. accept it. move on.

The only thing fans can hope for is DS finally steps back and gets good football people to run the show and just enjoy the games on Sun. Unfortunatly that would mean he would have to admit he's not as good as he thinks he is and that might not happen either.[/quote]

I believe most of the owners are Snyder family.

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[quote=12thMan;599352]I tell you who had a great point during an interview, Phillip Daniels. Following the game he said that the Giants were looking up at the rest of the NFC East the year they won the Super Bowl. Ironically it was the win against the Redskins that jumped started the whole roll.[/quote]Our best chance would probably be to follow that model set by the Giants of being the worst regular season Skins team since 2006, but parlaying a weak schedule into 9 wins or so, and around playoff time, finding out that the 14 consecutive games that each player on the line has played with each other yields a pretty darn good unit. All of a sudden, Portis becomes a factor in the playoffs.

That would be a best case scenario. It's realistic, but we're going to have to get really, really lucky. And the defense is going to have to look like a defense at some point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599219]I used to feel the same way but now I'm coming around to the idea that the common denominator all along has been Snyder.

We've tried different coaches with different philosophies and obtained the same results. I don't buy the talent issue or the coaching issue. There's no way this team should be losing to the Lions or barely beating the Rams. I'm not saying we have the most talent in the league, but we're certainly in the middle of the pack at least and shouldn't be struggling with the bottom feeders of the league.

I do think it's time for Snyder to hire a reputable football mind to be the GM and run the show with 100% authority over all football related decisions, and time for Snyder to step into the background and resign himself to inking the paychecks only.[/quote]


I agree, but the problem is his ego will not allow him to relenquish authority because his ambition is to win, and to win doing things his way despite the fact for the last decade his way has not worked. He will continue to hire and fire his way out of one of the most storid franchises in the NFL. The fan in him prohibits him from exhibiting any form of patience.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599233]With all apologies to Matty, LaVar is the true Ego. Having spent a lot of time with him (granted it was over five years ago), I know he is an extremely stubborn, "I am never wrong" person. Nice guy, courteous. But he pretty much has remained bitter because people in the organization told him what he apparently had never been told before "You know what LaVar...sometimes your shit does stink"

He needs to get over it already

That said, the ownership situation had serious issues when LaVar was here. The ownership situation is soooo much better than it was when LaVar was here. Sooo much better. RIP Gerald Snyder but he was way too influential in roster decisions back in the day. And then there was Fred Drasner, who was basically everything fans assume Snyder to be. I believe Dan Snyder was too influenced by the impetuous nature of Drasner and the desire to get his dad all the players he wanted. With Fred Smith and especially Dwight Schar Snyder (Dan) has a stronger ownership group supporting him.[/quote]

Don't the acquisitions of Jason Taylor, Albert Haynesworth and what appears to be the gross overpayment of DeAngelo Hall tend to indicate that nothing has really changed with regard to ownership and its "impetuous nature" ??

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[quote=Mattyk72;599219]I used to feel the same way but now I'm coming around to the idea that the common denominator all along has been Snyder.

We've tried different coaches with different philosophies and obtained the same results. I don't buy the talent issue or the coaching issue. There's no way this team should be losing to the Lions or barely beating the Rams. I'm not saying we have the most talent in the league, but we're certainly in the middle of the pack at least and shouldn't be struggling with the bottom feeders of the league.

I do think it's time for Snyder to hire a reputable football mind to be the GM and run the show with 100% authority over all football related decisions, and time for Snyder to step into the background and resign himself to inking the paychecks only.[/quote]

Matty, I have to say, these are words I never thought I'd read in one of your posts.

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[quote=Beemnseven;599394]Matty, I have to say, these are words I never thought I'd read in one of your posts.[/quote]

I agree...

Things have to be really bad if Matty is making these remarks on the teams. How the mighty have fallen.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599345]I do to. Marty had an 8-3 run at the end of his tenure and really seemed, after a rough start, that the roster was buying into what he was preaching and his rugged coaching style. Only problem was, Snyder wasn't having fun.

For those of you that think Snyder is not involved, just look at all the free agents that have been signed. They all thank Dan Snyder for his direct involvement. You have to be pretty blind to think Dan Snyder sits at Redskins park and is dumb to what the football operation sis doing.

Snyder is involved in all aspects of this franchise, there are wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many ex-players who have mentioned that besides Lavar Arrington.

Being blind to all this and thinkign dan Snyder is not the problem is an option for you. But, these problems are NOT from pre-Snyder Era, may I remind you that was a DECADE, TEN YEARS AGO! You mean to tell me boy genious can not fix things over a 10 year period??????????????? Other franchises do it over a few years.

Snyder is involved. That's why marty didn't last. That's why we have Zorn. Other reputable coaches won't coach here withotu Snyder ceding control. You think he will do that?[/quote]

Well if Snyder is the problem ther is nothing that can change that because I don't see him selling the team anytime soon. Heck, I'm thinking of going to the game this Sunday.

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Hey, I'm not dumb or a hard headed Republican. He's had his chance. I was willing to give him that but it's clear that it's not working. Time to change gears.