Doughty to start over Horton
 

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Probably won't make too much of a difference. Doughty has been showing good promise though.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;600372]Probably won't make too much of a difference. Doughty has been showing good promise though.[/quote]

Essentially my thought. It could make a difference if Doughty plays pass coverage better than Horton has this season. Doughty has looked better this season than Horton. I am a Horton fan, but you have to produce consistently and he has not done that.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;600372]Probably won't make too much of a difference. Doughty has been showing good promise though.[/quote]


Doughty has been looking pretty good. I am sure they will be switching in and out a lot.

I thought the Predator had been playing pretty well too. He did have that PI in the last game but a wideout running free is usually a mismatch against any saftey. I have seen Doughty get burned on the same play more times than I would like to remember.

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I told you byatches! Just don't put me (Reed Doughty) in coverage. That's not my strength.

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Doughty played well & was the best tackler on the team sunday in terms of form. I imagine Blache plans to stack the box more so on sunday to stop the run. I think RD can play the cover 2 alright, just don't want him matched up 1 -1 on any wr.

I thought that PI call on Horton was bogus. He turned his head & was essentially penalized for having position. I'd like to see PI calls challengable. Let the booth make the judgement. Like a charge in b'ball, it's the toughest call to make w/consistency.

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Horton has been ok this year but has made some glaring mistakes (missed tackles-esp. on Steven Jackson's 65 yd run, pass interference) but Doughty has made the most of his opportunities. I'm somewhat surprised that they didn't move Landry to SS and insert Moore as the starting FS though given our struggles in the run game.

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Yeah not mad at this move. Don't really think Doughty is better in coverage. But he hasn't whiffed on plays like Horton and Landry. I really think Landry is more of the issue. But maybe Doughty can make those issues less obvious and maybe is better working with Landry than Horton. I have seen Landry and Horton attack the line of scrimmage on running plays and both of them whiffed. So I am not mad at this decision.

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I'm sure this decision came from DS because he no longer trust Zorn to make these decisions. I also read that DS might sit in the booth and call in the O plays. He is just letting Zorn stay on the field so he does not look bad for picking Zorn as the coach.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;600389]Yeah not mad at this move. Don't really think Doughty is better in coverage. But he hasn't whiffed on plays like Horton and Landry. I really think Landry is more of the issue. But maybe Doughty can make those issues less obvious and maybe is better working with Landry than Horton. I have seen Landry and Horton attack the line of scrimmage on running plays and both of them whiffed. So I am not mad at this decision.[/quote]

I'm thinking they'll probably put Horton in for most coverage plays. Try to keep doughty in on plays like blitzes, etc. For the run stop basically.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;600397]I'm thinking they'll probably put Horton in for most coverage plays. Try to keep doughty in on plays like blitzes, etc. For the run stop basically.[/quote]

Why they weren't doing that from jump street is beyond me? Doughty is better at the run and at blitzes, but Horton is better in coverage.

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[quote=Paintrain;600388]Horton has been ok this year but has made some glaring mistakes (missed tackles-esp. on Steven Jackson's 65 yd run, pass interference) but Doughty has made the most of his opportunities. [B]I'm somewhat surprised that they didn't move Landry to SS and insert Moore as the starting FS though given our struggles in the run game.[/B][/quote]

I feel like Doughty/Horton and Landry would be better at stopping the run than Landry/Moore, but maybe that's just because I'm used to seeing Doughty/Horton in the box and Landry in pass coverage.

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[quote=freddyg12;600385]Doughty played well & was the best tackler on the team sunday in terms of form. I imagine Blache plans to stack the box more so on sunday to stop the run. I think RD can play the cover 2 alright, just don't want him matched up 1 -1 on any wr.

[B]I thought that PI call on Horton was bogus[/B]. He turned his head & was essentially penalized for having position. I'd like to see PI calls challengable. Let the booth make the judgement. Like a charge in b'ball, it's the toughest call to make w/consistency.[/quote]

idk imo it looked like horton ran/bumped into him as he was trying to catch up to a receiver who had slowed down/tried to adjust his body to catch the incoming ball. on replays it def showed contact before the ball was there.

zorn spoke about this the other day, said he sat down with an NFL umpire rep and he showed him why the flag was thrown. zorn said he agreed with the call.

either way, i like reed and horton so its nice to have some decent depth at least at one position.

go skins!!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;600375]Doughty has been looking pretty good. I am sure they will be switching in and out a lot.

I thought the Predator had been playing pretty well too. He did have that PI in the last game but a wideout running free is usually a mismatch against any saftey. [I][B]I have seen Doughty get burned on the same play more times than I would like to remember.[/B][/I][/quote]

I disagree. In my memory, he's made more great plays in the pass game than he has given up. I remember a few years ago against the Cowboys when he had a GREAT play on a ball to Witten. In general I think he's more disciplined than Horton.

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[quote=over the mountain;600404]idk imo it looked like horton ran/bumped into him as he was trying to catch up to a receiver who had slowed down/tried to adjust his body to catch the incoming ball. on replays it def showed contact before the ball was there.

zorn spoke about this the other day, said he sat down with an NFL umpire rep and he showed him why the flag was thrown. [B]zorn said he agreed with the call.[/B]

either way, i like reed and horton so its nice to have some decent depth at least at one position.

go skins!![/quote]

Another reason for me to not like Zorn as our HC.

Horton caught up with the receiver and turned his head to look for the ball. It wasn't a flagrant call. I thought the ref could have let that play stand without calling a foul. Zorn should have stood up for his player.

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[quote=firstdown;600396]I'm sure this decision came from DS because he no longer trust Zorn to make these decisions. I also read that DS might sit in the booth and call in the O plays. He is just letting Zorn stay on the field so he does not look bad for picking Zorn as the coach.[/quote]

Thanks for giving him ideas.

Go read the George Michael interview at DC Sports Bog, a very close personal friend of Snyder. he confirms Snyder's GM involvement. No need to wonder anymore.

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not really a big deal. Rather see Horton in. Was hoping for something a little distract in response from Blanche. Maybe a shake up moving Jarmon in the starting line up, dropping Smoot, moving Orakpo to a more prominent role on the Line...Our pressure on the QB has been really disappointing so far

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;600401]Why they weren't doing that from jump street is beyond me? Doughty is better at the run and at blitzes, but Horton is better in coverage.[/quote]

The answer is Blache. I totally agree.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;600412]Another reason for me to not like Zorn as our HC.

Horton caught up with the receiver and turned his head to look for the ball. It wasn't a flagrant call. I thought the ref could have let that play stand without calling a foul. Zorn should have stood up for his player.[/quote]

You're gonna get that call 99 times out of 100. He was beat on the route and didn't turn his head on time or get his hands up for the ball. If it was the other way around and a DB didn't get called, we'd be screaming bloody murder.

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[quote=Paintrain;600426]You're gonna get that call 99 times out of 100. He was beat on the route and didn't turn his head on time or get his hands up for the ball. If it was the other way around and a DB didn't get called, we'd be screaming bloody murder.[/quote]

I agree. They had the head of officials on NFL network explaining the call. If Horton hadn't bumped the receiver before he went for the ball it would have been a good play. Well that was his explanation.

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Landry was going to be our sure starter for [B]SS[/B] to pair him with the Meast for the next 10 years. Although Landry can run a 4.3 and thus cover sideline to sideline, his college position was SS.
I agree that I'd like to see Moore get a bit more playing time, and see Landry at SS, but then the dilemma is how to use Horton/Doughty

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As long as they can both get on the field...I don't care...they're both great players.

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Horton hit him as he looked back and put up his arm so the call was correct, close but correct. Here is a link to the play but you need to advance it to the 3 min mark if you don't want to watch the highlights of the game.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUdfg_voIMA]YouTube - redskins lions short 700k[/url]

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I still think that Horton is better than Doughty...I really don't think that Horton is the weak link in our defense, what should be changed is Daniels for either Orakpo or Jarmon

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Lol, where's DoughtyDoubter?

I like Horton but anyone who watched the Lions game last weekend had to have seen Doughty flying all over the field. Anyway starting only means so much in this situation. Both of them are going to get reps this Sunday. In fact I'd be willing to bet that they'll probably we something along the lines of a 60-40 split.

[quote=franklinhimself;600436]Landry was going to be our sure starter for [B]SS[/B] to pair him with the Meast for the next 10 years. Although Landry can run a 4.3 and thus cover sideline to sideline, his college position was SS.
I agree that I'd like to see Moore get a bit more playing time, and see Landry at SS, but then the dilemma is how to use Horton/Doughty[/quote]

See I keep hearing this but the fact of the matter is that Landry was probably at his best as a pro during the second half of 2007 when he took over at FS. I still can't figure out though if Landry's drop off is due mainly to Blache's scheme or Landry's fundamentals. On top of that I would also add that maybe Jim Zorn is to blame due to the fact that the offense hasn't had a big lead in quite some time which would result in teams feeling more pressure to go deep.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;600517]Lol, where's DoughtyDoubter?

I like Horton but anyone who watched the Lions game last weekend had to have seen Doughty flying all over the field. Anyway starting only means so much in this situation. Both of them are going to get reps this Sunday. In fact I'd be willing to bet that they'll probably we something along the lines of a 60-40 split.



See I keep hearing this but the fact of the matter is that Landry was probably at his best as a pro during the second half of 2007 when he took over at FS. I still can't figure out though if Landry's drop off is due mainly to Blache's scheme or Landry's fundamentals. On top of that I would also add that maybe Jim Zorn is to blame due to the fact that the offense hasn't had a big lead in quite some time which would result in teams feeling more pressure to go deep.[/quote]

That's the same as it's been. The only thing is now Doughty will be getting 60 instead of 40. Doughty has been looking like a beast. I kind of hate to take him off of ST because he is one of the main contributors.

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Fuck Blache...dude this is rediculous worst than when Marty was our coach and decided to bench hall of famer Darrell Green..Blache's a pussy not a fan of blitzing? you obviously dont wanna work in the NFL Fire his ass DAN!

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I'm still waiting to see what Kareem Moore can do. Lets get this guy on the field, Blache.

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Generally, this is a good problem to have...my only issue is I don't want Horton to start playing it safe, I assess Horton as medium risk, but high reward. Doughty is medium risk, medium reward.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;600517]See I keep hearing this but the fact of the matter is that Landry was probably at his best as a pro during the second half of 2007 when he took over at FS. I still can't figure out though if Landry's drop off is due mainly to Blache's scheme or Landry's fundamentals. [quote]

I totally agree. He rarely is a position to make a play in this scheme. I remember when we played Seattle in the playoffs and he had 2 INTS adn was playing lights out. I was like whoa. He hasn't been the same yet. I think Blache is mainly to blame. Seems like ever since he got trucked by Jacobs he hasn't been the same either.

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[quote=franklinhimself;600436]Landry was going to be our sure starter for [B]SS[/B] to pair him with the Meast for the next 10 years. Although Landry can run a 4.3 and thus cover sideline to sideline, his college position was SS.
I agree that I'd like to see Moore get a bit more playing time, and see Landry at SS, but then the dilemma is how to use Horton/Doughty[/quote]

Don't start this again he was FS in college and his entire life except when he came here b/c ST21 was one of the best FS in the game the moved Landry to SS.

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Won't make a bit of difference. If they want to make an impact, bring in Marko, Mason, Alridge, Jarmon and Wilson.

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So the one guy making a significant impact from the 2008 draft is losing his starting job. Good job Vinny. 11 draft picks, no one making that big of a difference.

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I sReed Doughty the answer to all the problems we have on defense?

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[quote=44Deezel;600610]So the one guy making a significant impact from the 2008 draft is losing his starting job. Good job Vinny. 11 draft picks, no one making that big of a difference.[/quote]

Rinehart and Kelly both have started on offense. Moore has been a starter on defense. Devin Thomas and Fred Davis have contributed, albeit not much.

Once again we see, on one side, people saying that the team should build through the draft. On the other side we see fans being too impatient with such a process, because developing young players takes time.

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This isn't meant to be a comparison of the Patriots and Redskins front offices...but the Patriots had 9 picks in 2007, 1 is a starter, 1 is the equivalent of Byron Westbrook, and the rest are off the team.

In 2008 the Patriots had 7 picks, 1 starter, 3 backups, the rest off the team

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[quote=30gut;600601]Don't start this again he was FS in college and his entire life except when he came here b/c ST21 was one of the best FS in the game the moved Landry to SS.[/quote]

Thank you for pointing this out. Landry was a FS at LSU.

Regarding the change to Doughty from Horton...this means very little. The defense is not going to suddenly become the Steel Curtain defense with this change. The problems to our defense is in its scheme and coaching.

On that note, last night on the NFL network, they were talking very highly about Greg Williams and his defenses. How much respect he has around the league. Rod Woodson loves Gregg Williams.

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[quote=Lotus;600687]Rinehart and Kelly both have started on offense. Moore has been a starter on defense. Devin Thomas and Fred Davis have contributed, albeit not much.

Once again we see, on one side, people saying that the team should build through the draft. On the other side we see fans being too impatient with such a process, [B]because developing young players takes time[/B].[/quote]

It doesn't have to if you draft well and you a good core of players already on the team that will play around a rookie.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;600678]I sReed Doughty the answer to all the problems we have on defense?[/quote]

Eff yeah! You didn't know?

He is a good player on defense and special teams. There's nothing special to him. He just gives all that he has. That's a lot more than I can say for some of our players.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;600678]I sReed Doughty the answer to all the problems we have on defense?[/quote]

No he is not.