Michael peels back the curtain at Redskins Park in interview with Wise
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/george_michael_on_why_fans_hat.html]D.C. Sports Bog - George Michael on Why Fans Hate Snyderrato[/url]

Some really interesting insights into Snyder, Cerrato, Grilliams, etc. Can't wait until they post the podcast. Among the highlights:

"You all want to dump it on Dan Snyder," Michael said. "I understand that. I understand that. I don't think Dan does. I don't think he understands why people hate him so. The truth is--and I've got to give you full disclosure, everybody knows that I am friends with Dan Snyder, not in the sense that I'm in the tank for him, but he is a friend, I admit that. But Dan doesn't even understand what he does wrong. He doesn't even understand the things he does wrong. If the fans knew how bad he wants to win, they would go my God, he wants to win as much as I do."

"Let me tell you the truth: Dan does make I think most of those big-type decisions," Michael said. "He says 'Let's get this guy, let's get that guy.' And the guy that takes the heat for it--and it's why I think he's never gotten fired--is Vinny Cerrato. Now, Cerrato's painted as a bozo, but the truth is, what did Vinny Cerrato do for the team? Look at Chris Horton. That's the kind of guy he gets." (maybe not the best timing since Horton got benched today!)

"I will tell you this, and folks, please write this down--Dan Snyder does not want to fire Jim Zorn," Michael said. "Believe me, on my kid's life, he doesn't want to fire Zorn. Let me tell you, he does not want to fire Jim Zorn....

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Great stuff.

I'm going to post some more here because I want to make some comments based on my own personal experiences

[QUOTE]"You all want to dump it on Dan Snyder," Michael said. "I understand that. I understand that. I don't think Dan does. [B]I don't think he understands why people hate him so. [/B]The truth is--and I've got to give you full disclosure, everybody knows that I am friends with Dan Snyder, not in the sense that I'm in the tank for him, but he is a friend, I admit that. But Dan doesn't even understand what he does wrong. He doesn't even understand the things he does wrong. If the fans knew how bad he wants to win, they would go my God, he wants to win as much as I do."[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure how much Snyder cares

[QUOTE]So, why, then, have things gone so badly from a PR standpoint?

"It's Dan's fault...and that's a shame," said Michael, who then described the "absolute chaos" in Ashburn when Snyder took over the team.

"I mean, Norv hated Charley so bad," he went on. "So now Dan Snyder inherits it. People from day 1 hated Dan Snyder because he was 35 years old, bought the team for $850 million, and his neighbors told the Washington Post, he's a jerk. And that is when it started.

"And then down in Atlanta when he got the team, he didn't know how to handle the media, he didn't have someone with him who could help him handle the media and talk. And I remember vividly he whisking himself out of the Westin hotel and Wally Bruckner...along with 25 other people trying to keep up with him,.Wally ran into a door and knocked those $200,000 doors off their hinges in the Westin hotel....People did not like Dan from the get go, and the truth is, I don't think people know him. And then he'll do things like LaVar said, he would go into the locker room and glare. What Dan wants is accountability. He wants accountability.

"He never went into the locker room and glared when Joe Gibbs was the coach. That did not happen with Joe Gibbs. Because Gibbs went before the public after that loss to the Buffalo Bills and said, 'I lost this game.' Now coach, that's a load of horse manure. He did not lose the game. It sticks with me every day of my life, but that's the kind of man Joe Gibbs was. Another coach was yelling in his ear, 'Call another timeout, call another timeout.' He called the second timeout....To take the heat, to take the heat off of the guys who screwed up on the field, to take the heat off the safety...Gibbs goes before the public and says, 'I Lost This Game.' "[/QUOTE]

I can personally vouch for that Norv Casserly hatred. Saw it first hand. I miss Gibbs. I think I said that about some other coach calling for timeout but that was quickly dismissed here

[QUOTE]"Let me tell you the truth: Dan does make I think most of those big-type decisions," Michael said. "He says 'Let's get this guy, let's get that guy.' And the guy that takes the heat for it--and it's why I think he's never gotten fired--is Vinny Cerrato. Now, Cerrato's painted as a bozo, but the truth is, what did Vinny Cerrato do for the team? Look at Chris Horton. That's the kind of guy he gets."

So Wise asked Michael if he thinks Cerrato is a capable talent evaluator.

"Oh, there's no ifs buts or ands," Michael said. "I mean, I know that for a fact, I know that from other people around the league. Here's the problem Mike--and God, I can't believe I'm telling all this truth--Vinny Cerrato is a ZERO when it comes to public relations and building relationships with people in the world. I'm sorry. My Good God. He doesn't ask why don't people like me, but you've got to go out and you've got to do things....I feel bad that Cerrato has not gone out and tried to build these relationships."[/QUOTE]

Wilbon has said in the past that if more decisions had been up to Cerrato (Duckett trade for one) we would be in better shape. I'm not sure I agree entirely. I have said here before that Cerrato has zero relations around the league.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/517389-post47.html[/url]

Plus, we got Horton because of scouting, more importantly we got him because former Redskins coach DeWayne Walker recommended the scout go check him out.

My knowledge is that Snyder very rarely (when you consider free agents, trades, draft picks) is the initiator in determining to whether to go after certain players. He absolutely gives the final go-ahead.

[QUOTE]Michael presumably has a bead on Jim Zorn's future, and he agreed when Wise said the Skins need to win two out of the next three and be respectable in all of them. Michael then managed to compare Zorn to Lindsay Czarniak (as an undiscovered talent), and to insist that Snyder wants to stick with him.

"I will tell you this, and folks, please write this down--Dan Snyder does not want to fire Jim Zorn," Michael said. "Believe me, on my kid's life, he doesn't want to fire Zorn. Let me tell you, he does not want to fire Jim Zorn....

"You have to take gambles, and that's what they did with Zorn," he continued. "Dan Snyder put his name, his stamp, his reputation on Jim Zorn. If Jim doesn't deliver what Dan Snyder thinks is a good deal, then there's no telling when it could end. But I must tell you this, after you lose to the Detroit Lions--and I do personally love this guy Jim Zorn, he's a great guy--you cannot go before the public and say we're making improvements. Dear God, if you're making improvement and losing to the 0-19 Lions, my ass is grass and you're the lawnmower. We're in trouble, baby."[/QUOTE]

Yeah Snyder has said before he doesn't want to fire Zorn, but he might just have to. That lawnmower line was funny

[QUOTE]More highlights, and again, please listen to it all here. It was awesome.

On the Marty experiment: "Here's the deal guys, he should never have hired Marty Schottenheimer....I said to [Snyder's relatives], I said folks, within six months you will regret the decision to have hired Marty Schottenheimer. The first day of training camp, Fred Drasner, who owned the team, turned to me and said, 'We oughta fire this son of a bitch today.' You don't know what Marty Schottenheimer is, you don't know what he is until you live with him, until you work with him."[/QUOTE]

Drasner was the worst. He wanted to trade and fire everyone instantly. Thank goodness he's no longer affiliated with the team

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Pay close attention to this one: He doesn't [I]want[/I] to fire Jim Zorn ...

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Wow. Get em George Michael. I don't know if I can handle any more of this negative stuff. My god. Not that much of it isn't deserved, but I can't get a sports radio station on the way home who's not talking about how AH doesn't play enough plays or that our FO sucks.

Please Skins, win this game so we don't have to hear anymore negativity. JC.

I'm sure alot of what GM sais is true. I don't buy some of it. Vinny has had some good blunders too in the personel area.

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[quote=Beemnseven;600419]Pay close attention to this one: He doesn't [I]want[/I] to fire Jim Zorn ...[/quote]

Yes, but he may have to. I think Jim Zorn is great, but he needs to figure out what plays will work and what plays won't. Roll Campbell out on 4 and 1 at the goal line and give him to option to throw it or run it.

This team needs to quit looking at their bonus money and play like they did in College when they didn't get paid. Doughty was playing his butt off last week from what I saw and he doesn't get paid much at all. We need more guys who are hungry like him.

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6 draft picks and all we get is horton, Great draft vinny...

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Hmm, interesting. Here all along I've been shouting Marty's name from the top of a tree.

I'll say this. When Marty was canned in KC players all had nothing but nice things to say about him and even went so far as to say he should not have been let go.

Marty works for the Skins and becomes a complete ass forcing several players to go complain about his hard nose approach to football.

Then he gets hired by San Diego and the team has several winning seasons. One being a 14-2 season. When fired no one said anything bad about him except the owner. and the thing mentioned was Marty was told his son Kurt was not going to be named the DC after HR Puff and Stuff went to Dallas. Marty purchased plane tickets for his son Kurt to fly to San Diego and the owner got pissed that Marty was not listening to him and fired him.

I think it's even funnier that if he was a complete ass we would be hearing something from his two kids about how it was growing up in the Shottenheimer house hold. Yet nothing.

I think Marty is good at evaluating talent and if he is looking for a job in the front office then he might not be a bad GM especially to a team who's owner is willing to step back and designate authority.

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[quote=SBXVII;600432]Hmm, interesting. Here all along I've been shouting Marty's name from the top of a tree.

I'll say this. When Marty was canned in KC players all had nothing but nice things to say about him and even went so far as to say he should not have been let go.

Marty works for the Skins and becomes a complete ass forcing several players to go complain about his hard nose approach to football.

Then he gets hired by San Diego and the team has several winning seasons. One being a 14-2 season. When fired no one said anything bad about him except the owner. and the thing mentioned was Marty was told his son Kurt was not going to be named the DC after HR Puff and Stuff went to Dallas. Marty purchased plane tickets for his son Kurt to fly to San Diego and the owner got pissed that Marty was not listening to him and fired him.

I think it's even funnier that if he was a complete ass we would be hearing something from his two kids about how it was growing up in the Shottenheimer house hold. Yet nothing.

I think Marty is good at evaluating talent and if he is looking for a job in the front office then he might not be a bad GM especially to a team who's owner is willing to step back and designate authority.[/quote]


From the way Michael describes it, Marty was fired and Williams was never hired because they are not likable people.

Wow.

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I think the interview of Snyder's friend shed some light on what many of us speculated.

He is the GM and does make the decisions on who come sand who goes. He is clueless there is a problem, even if he recognizes our franchise is not winning. I guess I cannot really understand that. If you are not winning, why would you not ask yourself what you could do different.

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Once again, the defense of Snyder begins with "but he really wants to win!!"

Is there a less relevant point?

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[quote=Coff;600440]Once again, the defense of Snyder begins with "but he really wants to win!!"

Is there a less relevant point?[/quote]

:lol:

I am sure Al Davis wants to win too.

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[quote=Coff;600438]From the way Michael describes it, Marty was fired and Williams was never hired because they are not likable people.

Wow.[/quote]

That's what he says about Marty, but that's not what he's saying about Williams. Williams and Snyder just didn't get along. That doesn't mean either of them aren't likeable people. Have you ever had friends where you like hanging with either of them, but they can't stand each other? That kind of seems like Williams/Snyder relationship to me.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;600439]I think the interview of Snyder's friend shed some light on what many of us speculated.

He is the GM and does make the decisions on who come sand who goes. He is clueless there is a problem, even if he recognizes our franchise is not winning. I guess I cannot really understand that. If you are not winning, why would you not ask yourself what you could do different.[/quote]

He also recognized that this team needed a change at QB, doesn't look like he was that far off does it ? I know that there are many threads about JC, just making a point.

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Marty was not fired because he's not likeable. And that's not what Michael said. He was fired because Snyder didn't want Schottenheimer to be both GM and coach and because certain players wanted Schottenheimer gone.

I really don't know what happened behind closed doors with Williams

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[quote=SmootSmack;600448]Marty was not fired because he's not likeable. [B]And that's not what Michael said. [/B][B]He was fired because Snyder didn't want Schottenheimer to be both GM and coach and because certain players wanted Schottenheimer gone.[/B]

I really don't know what happened behind closed doors with Williams[/quote]

Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.

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[quote=jamf;600431]6 draft picks and all we get is horton, Great draft vinny...[/quote]

actually the jury is still out on horton. he's not playing well this year.

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[quote=SBXVII;600432]Hmm, interesting. Here all along I've been shouting Marty's name from the top of a tree.

[B]I'll say this. When Marty was canned in KC players all had nothing but nice things to say about him and even went so far as to say he should not have been let go. [/B]

[B]Marty works for the Skins and becomes a complete ass forcing several players to go complain about his hard nose approach to football. [/B]

[B]Then he gets hired by San Diego and the team has several winning seasons. One being a 14-2 season. When fired no one said anything bad about him except the owner. [/B]and the thing mentioned was Marty was told his son Kurt was not going to be named the DC after HR Puff and Stuff went to Dallas. Marty purchased plane tickets for his son Kurt to fly to San Diego and the owner got pissed that Marty was not listening to him and fired him.

I think it's even funnier that if he was a complete ass we would be hearing something from his two kids about how it was growing up in the Shottenheimer house hold. Yet nothing.

I think Marty is good at evaluating talent and if he is looking for a job in the front office then he might not be a bad GM especially to a team who's owner is willing to step back and designate authority.[/quote]

GREAT POST. Michael was just dogging Marty. Made it sound like he was just too hard to be around. I found that very hard to believe. The guy reeks of leadership to me.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;600447]He also recognized that this team needed a change at QB, doesn't look like he was that far off does it ? I know that there are many threads about JC, just making a point.[/quote]

If you are assuming Jason Campbell is the entire problem. I am not sure that he is. I tend to blame it on poor defense and failure to build the offensive line. But that is just me.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;600452]Maybe so, but that's not what Michael said either.[/quote]

I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;600443]:lol:

I am sure Al Davis wants to win too.[/quote]

yeah, 'just win, baby'

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[quote=SBXVII;600463]I think thats SmootSmacks point and mine. GMicheals makes it sound like Marty was let go cause no one liked him or could get along with him which is a half truth. Only some of the players could not get along with Marty....the ones who don't like hard nosed coach's. but in actuality Marty was fired cause he wanted to be GM and HC which DS was not going to let happen. Marty said then fire me. ....and he was.[/quote]

Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the [I]real [/I]reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that [I]Michael's comment[/I] on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.

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And then I've got Jason, God love you, Jason, if I can see Antwaan Randle-El standing by himself with no one within 100 yards of him...then the quarterback's got to see it.

"And when things like that are happening, it becomes very frustrating. And that's why Zorn says we're making improvements, what he should have said was folks there were plays where we had guys that were ready to score touchdowns but we didn't get the ball in their hands. That I would have understood."

I have said in the past on several threads that JC has a problem seeing the field. I have not been to a game sense the Giants beat us in 07 when they went on their SB run. I posted in that game JC missed like 8 or 10 wide open guys while dumping off the ball. It was so bad in that game that even my wife commented about guys wide open and not getting the ball. Its hard to see on TV so I stopped saying that as I was not sure if it was still a problem and maybe it is.

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He kind of makes Snyder out to be an idiot, which he is not. I know that's not what GM intented. Come on though, DS has got to know status quo is not working.

He's losing games and the goodwill of Skins fans. Their's still plenty of time left this season, but if it doesn't dramatically turn around, it's time to reorganize, rebuild the team and some goodwill.

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George Michael is a bubbling idiot. The reason Snyder is an absolute failure is that he is making the big decisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid ass needs to hire a real GM. Vinny's days are over, he has done a poor job. This whole thing about not "wanting" to fire Zorn is a true statement, he doesnt want to, but he will if we dont make the playoffs. This article brings nothing to light, yes Marty was a tough guy to work with everybody knew that!!!!!!!!!!! Snyder didnt like G. Williams yes we knew that after he was fired...I work with people I dont like all day long, but he would have done a better job than Zorn period and if we are winning who gives a sh*t. This article makes supports what I already know, Snyder has no f*ing clue what he is doing, jack*ss

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;600439]I think the interview of Snyder's friend shed some light on what many of us speculated.

He is the GM and does make the decisions on who come sand who goes. He is clueless there is a problem, even if he recognizes our franchise is not winning. I guess I cannot really understand that. If you are not winning, why would you not ask yourself what you could do different.[/quote]

See I didn't get that at all from what GM said. That's the difference that SmootSmack cites between "supporters and bashers". People who hate DS read something like that and get a totally different picture than I did.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;600458]If you are assuming Jason Campbell is the entire problem. I am not sure that he is. I tend to blame it on poor defense and failure to build the offensive line. But that is just me.[/quote]

I believe the coach's have to work with what they have. You have an ok QB like JC then you must have a great O-line to give him time to get the ball off and you put playmakers around him at TE, RB and WR. No different then Dallas with Romo, and the Giants and Eli.

If you have a great QB then you might get away with a mediocre O-line like the Patriots and Brady.

My personall feeling is an awsome coach can taylor his scheme to fit the players talents. ....ie; Gibbs1-who went 0-5 changed a few things and went 8-8 by seasons end. Then did great things after. Our problem is the coach's weve hired have not been able to do this.....ie; Spurrier, Zorn.

Norv was not as bad as people believe. My personall feelings is he's a better OC then a HC. I think he takes on to many duties when he takes a HC job. I think Marty would have had the Skins winning had he stayed another yr, but DS was not up for the expierment and fired him.

Could, would, can DS put his personal feelings aside, move Cerrato into a more contract oriented position, Hire a "Football" GM, and bring in a HC that has proven himself atleast at the OC position? Then sit back and eat hot dogs and popcorn on Sundays and write checks during the week and smile at the SB?

I'm going to still lobby....Marty Schottenheimer for GM-I think he is a good talent evaluator, would put the players on notice, and most likely not throw away all DS's money at older or washed up players. Then bring in his son Brian Schottenheimer as HC-cause there's no doubt he would not get along with his son, and Brian has proven himself with the Jets as an OC (read the write up:[url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coach/920-brian-schottenheimer]Brian Schottenheimer : Offensive Coordinator : Official Jets Bio : New York Jets Team News[/url]). Defensively I don't know who I would I would put in as DC, but since GW left the system, although 4th ranked, seems to be having more and more difficulty trying to be succesfull last yr and this yr.

I have also lobbied to move to a 3-4 as it is the flavor of the time but as pointed out on Redskins Nation AH is older now and injury prone so that option may not be on the table unless we go after a nose tackle that's healthy in the draft.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;600458]If you are assuming Jason Campbell is the entire problem. I am not sure that he is. I tend to blame it on poor defense and failure to build the offensive line. But that is just me.[/quote]

No I'm actually talking about him. Not the D, not the line that was good enough for 1,400 + on teh ground, but him. The guy whose deep ball is one of the most inaccurate passes that I've seen, the guy that doesn't know his protection schemes, the guy that was not a "leader" for this team until Snyder made it known that he will be gone if he doesn't get it together. That guy. When Snyder loved him and everyone hated him. Pointed out his faults until Snyder saw him as expendable. Then everyone loved him, and felt like he could do no wrong. So look at everything else but IMO Danny was right on this. For everyone that has said that JC isn't the problem, I have yet to read/hear/see anyone mention that he deserves an extention. I doubt that I ever will.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;600467]Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the [I]real [/I]reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that [I]Michael's comment[/I] on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.[/quote]

Well, there are players coach's...Norv, Spurrier, Zorn. and there are non players coach's...Gibbs, Marty. Some have said Zorn's replacement should be someone who could instill discipline. A disciplinarian is not a players coach and most likely would not play well with others....atleast from the players stand point.

At this point I would rather have a HC who doesn't play well with others getting the team to 14-2 seasons so we can make the playoff and have a chance at the SB vs a players coach getting us to 8-8 and another season of possibly 8-8 or worse with out a chance.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;600481]No I'm actually talking about him. Not the D, not the line that was good enough for 1,400 + on teh ground, but him. [B]The guy whose deep ball is one of the most inaccurate passes that I've seen, the guy that doesn't know his protection schemes,[/B] the guy that was not a "leader" for this team until Snyder made it known that he will be gone if he doesn't get it together. That guy. When Snyder loved him and everyone hated him. Pointed out his faults until Snyder saw him as expendable. Then everyone loved him, and felt like he could do no wrong. So look at everything else but IMO Danny was right on this. For everyone that has said that JC isn't the problem, I have yet to read/hear/see anyone mention that he deserves an extention. I doubt that I ever will.[/quote]

who are you talking about?......JC?

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Everyone hated Tom Coughlin and were ready to fire him if you remember. They start winning and he's a god now.

Players and FO's like to win. Winning cures alot. Marty is a winner. He has been no matter where he goes.

I too would welcome a new GM and an experienced OC/DC as our new coach like a Brian Schott. FO has got to change though.

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[quote=SBXVII;600494]who are you talking about?......JC?[/quote]

Naw I'm talking about Drew Brees of course Jason. You don't agree ?

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The problem with Marty is that he arrived right after Norv Turner. Under Turner, there was no accountability and that's a big reason why we underachieved for years under him. Marty came along and said you know what, I don't care how much talent we have here, how many Hall of Famers are on the roster, we're going to work hard and be accountable. But then guys like Darrell Green and Bruce Smith said "Wait a minute, we've been to the Super Bowl and you haven't. We're future Hall of Famers wrapping up our careers. Don't tell us how to play the game."

I would love, love, love for Marty to come back. Love it

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How old is Marty?

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[quote=SmootSmack;600502]The problem with Marty is that he arrived right after Norv Turner. Under Turner, there was no accountability and that's a big reason why we underachieved for years under him. Marty came along and said you know what, I don't care how much talent we have here, how many Hall of Famers are on the roster, we're going to work hard and be accountable. But then guys like Darrell Green and Bruce Smith said "Wait a minute, we've been to the Super Bowl and you haven't. We're future Hall of Famers wrapping up our careers. Don't tell us how to play the game."

I would love, love, love for Marty to come back. Love it[/quote]

Amen...from your keyboard to Gods ears.

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[quote=Hog1;600503]How old is Marty?[/quote]

66 years old.

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He also [I]wants[/I] mike shanahan

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;600467]Fair enough, but my point was simply that, regardless of the [I]real [/I]reason why Marty was fired, the fact is that [I]Michael's comment[/I] on the matter sure seemed to place blame on Marty's ability to play well with others.[/quote]

I always liked Marty going back to his Browns days. But there are a couple of negative undeniable truths about him:

1) Doesn't win big games even when it seems his team is more talented.
2) Has had relationship problems in his career, usually w/FO staff. In fact, that's why he isn't working now. So, Michael might just be giving a pretty objective opinion of him.

That said, he made great strides here & I thought he should've been given the chance to come back. He can build a winner, even if he hasn't won the big games, his teams win consistently.

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GM for GM

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I feel good about us turning this thing around this year. It's barely week 4. My whole thing is V.Cerrato I dont know anything about him but for some reason he is the only one who hasnt been fired threw all these years. Can anyone enlighten me if able thanks.

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Marty is now a host on NFL radio -- he seems pretty content in retirement folks, don't hold your breath.