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I know it's not healthy or productive to look back but I must confess, I loved that dead-eyed bastard. Seeing him kick ass with the Saints is filling me with regret and a lot of "what-ifs". Okay, I'm ready for my flaming.

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To me he was coming a bit too much of what we've hated about Blache so far.

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I don't. Our organization would have been more poisonous than it is now. Grilliams and Snyder couldn't co-exist. Both of them have egos the size of Texas, it would have been a nightmare.

That and I think his act wears thin with players pretty quickly. He's very up and down (top 5 and bottom 5 defenses here, terrible in Jax, good in NO) which seems to signal something is going on deeper than the surface.

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[quote=Paintrain;602399]I don't. Our organization would have been more poisonous than it is now. Grilliams and Snyder couldn't co-exist. Both of them have egos the size of Texas, it would have been a nightmare.

That and I think his act wears thin with players pretty quickly. He's very up and down (top 5 and bottom 5 defenses here, terrible in Jax, good in NO) which seems to signal something is going on deeper than the surface.[/quote]Which more or less sums up the anti-Gregg Williams argument.

It would have been a good idea if we were coming off an NFC Championship game berth with Gibbs, but the way that season ended, we needed a fresh start. Unfortunately, we got this.

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Hell no! He wouldn't be a good coach for anybody, he will always be just a d cord.. I still want gruden or shanahan next yr

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Williams moved WAY too much to a prevent defense way too early in games for my taste. He is aggressive to an extent, but the bend but dont break D is just not to my liking. I hate when defenses "sit" on leads.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;602406]Hell no! He wouldn't be a good coach for anybody, he will always be just a d cord.. I still want gruden or shanahan next yr[/quote]

Why is everyone so high on Gruden? The guy couldn't even settle on a QB with Tampa Bay. Shanahan without Elway did nothing, that why he was fired. I'll throw a name for you of someone that will become hot by the end of the college season. [B]Jim "captain comeback" Harbaugh[/B], yes the old Bears, Colts QB and current Stanford coach. I bet they will upset USC when they play later this year.

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I wish I had won a million dollars...so what's the point of this?

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[quote=Paintrain;602399]I don't. Our organization would have been more poisonous than it is now. Grilliams and Snyder couldn't co-exist. Both of them have egos the size of Texas, it would have been a nightmare.

That and I think his act wears thin with players pretty quickly. He's very up and down (top 5 and bottom 5 defenses here, terrible in Jax, good in NO) which seems to signal something is going on deeper than the surface.[/quote]

Yeah and George Michael eluded to that in his interview about Snyder. Never would have worked.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;602417]Why is everyone so high on Gruden? The guy couldn't even settle on a QB with Tampa Bay. Shanahan without Elway did nothing, that why he was fired. I'll throw a name for you of someone that will become hot by the end of the college season. [B]Jim "captain comeback" Harbaugh[/B], yes the old Bears, Colts QB and current Stanford coach. I bet they will upset USC when they play later this year.[/quote]

And he was Josh Johnson's coach at San Diego...it's funny you bring up Jim Harbaugh though. I was just talking to someone associated with Stanford football about him the other day. It's expected he'll move on soon, but probably stay in college football

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[quote=Counter-Tre;602392]I know it's not healthy or productive to look back but I must confess, I loved that dead-eyed bastard. Seeing him kick ass with the Saints is filling me with regret and a lot of "what-ifs". Okay, I'm ready for my flaming.[/quote]

It's not just you, I feel the same way. I'm glad he's having so much success after falling flat in Jacksonville. Too bad we have to play the Saints this year; that ought to be interesting. lol.

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[quote=atomicnixon;602512]It's not just you, I feel the same way. I'm glad he's having so much success after falling flat in Jacksonville. Too bad we have to play the Saints this year; that ought to be interesting. lol.[/quote]

No disrespect to G-Williams, but hasn't this been the first game the defense has done very well. I think in the other games, the offense has just basically outscored the opponent.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602510]And he was Josh Johnson's coach at San Diego...it's funny you bring up Jim Harbaugh though. I was just talking to someone associated with Stanford football about him the other day. It's expected he'll move on soon, but probably stay in college football[/quote]

I think he could make a smooth transition to the NFL without a hitch, having been a player, etc.. This guy is smart and can coach, he could change his mind and go to the pro's eventually.

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[quote=Paintrain;602399]I don't. Our organization would have been more poisonous than it is now. Grilliams and Snyder couldn't co-exist. Both of them have egos the size of Texas, it would have been a nightmare.

That and I think his act wears thin with players pretty quickly. He's very up and down (top 5 and bottom 5 defenses here, terrible in Jax, good in NO) which seems to signal something is going on deeper than the surface.[/quote]

Why is it that Williams, possessing such an allegedly gigantic ego and contentious personality, has been able to thrive under/alongside so many personalities and within several organizations in the league? I mean c'mon this idea that NFL coaches are nice guys who must find a way to cow-toe to their owner carries no water...

...the fact is it's lil Danny who has only been able to get along w/ two coaches his entire tenure as owner: Joe Gibbs (who gets along w/ everyone, period) and Zorn, one of the seemingly most mild-mannered, ho-hum types you can find on the sideline. Not sure how much longer Snyder and Zorn we'll be buds but that's another story. Bottom line is it's Snyder who has all the issues when it comes to people, Vinny doesn't help either as his lack of personality is becoming rather infamous.

Williams has a stronger track-record than anyone on our staff, period. Throw him under the bus for the one year stop in Jax if you like, ignoring that the defense wasn't entirely turned over to him and he didn't get to recruit talent. When given control as he basically had w/ the Skins and definitely has now w/ the Saints he works wonders w/ typically not elite talent. That said, and it's certainly obvious by now I'm a big fan and totally believed he deserved the HC job here, I'm very happy he landed where he did. I think he'll acquire a SB ring within a year or two and that wouldn't likely have happened coaching in D.C.

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The Jets vs Saints game was pleasure to watch. Both defenses are aggressive and play well. Unlike the bend but don't break/play not to lose/pussy style of defense we play. Williams had his CB's up tight on the WR and you could actually see the safety's. They we not playing 20 yards off the line scrimmage.

The Giants vs Saints game following the Saints bye week will be potential playoff preview. Should be a good game of two really good defenses.
Greg Williams is a respected coach in the NFL and is a better coach than Blache PERIOD.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;602417]Why is everyone so high on Gruden? The guy couldn't even settle on a QB with Tampa Bay. Shanahan without Elway did nothing, that why he was fired. I'll throw a name for you of someone that will become hot by the end of the college season. [B]Jim "captain comeback" Harbaugh[/B], yes the old Bears, Colts QB and current Stanford coach. I bet they will upset USC when they play later this year.[/quote]

Damn this whole time i never really paid attention but i got john & jim mixed up that was a semi-blonde jessica simpson moment.

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Maybe Williams is just a good coordinator, that doesn't necessarily make him a good head coach. Maybe he'll have a good second stint as a head coach. But he could also falter again. He has alienated management in more than just Washington, and he seems to be best suited to focus singularly on one unit and have someone else oversee everything and be a buffer between him and management.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602667]Maybe Williams is just a good coordinator, that doesn't necessarily make him a good head coach. Maybe he'll have a good second stint as a head coach. But he could also falter again. [B]He has alienated management in more than just Washington,[/B] and he seems to be best suited to focus singularly on one unit and have someone else oversee everything and be a buffer between him and management.[/quote]

How did he piss off management here? Was it the first play of the Buffalo game after #21 passed?

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[quote=skinsfan69;602673]How did he piss off management here? Was it the first play of the Buffalo game after #21 passed?[/quote]

I don't think that one incident was as big a deal as it was made out to be. It's more that he just has a "rough around the edges" personality. There were some pretty ugly rumors about his time in Buffalo. Domestic stuff, but nothing ever verified so it probably was just ugly rumors

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[quote=Ruhskins;602516]No disrespect to G-Williams, but hasn't this been the first game the defense has done very well. I think in the other games, the offense has just basically outscored the opponent.[/quote]

Not really, the score of the first game was misleading. They gave up 27 to Detroit, but that was mostly off of turnovers/big plays in special teams. They were really only victimized once by a big Calvin Johnson play. Other than that, the D looked good.

The Philly game wasn't great, but they forced a few turnovers and scored defensively on a long INT return by Sharper. They had 3 INTs of Kolb that game.

Last week, they held Buffalo to just 7 points.

And then, this happened yesterday. The defense hasn't been amazing, but considering what the Saints had been, it's pretty damn good.

I'm of the opinion that Gregg Williams is good at doing "more with less" and can scheme his way to having a good defense. I think when you don't have a bunch of superstars it's easier to create pressure with different blitz packages because the opponents can't really key on guys and that's what's working really well in NOLA right now. It almost looks like he's running a 3-4 down there with guys coming from everywhere and others dropping into coverage. The Saints D looks very confusing right now.

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[quote=The Goat;602627]Why is it that Williams, possessing such an allegedly gigantic ego and contentious personality, has been able to thrive under/alongside so many personalities and within several organizations in the league? I mean c'mon this idea that NFL coaches are nice guys who must find a way to cow-toe to their owner carries no water...

...the fact is it's lil Danny who has only been able to get along w/ two coaches his entire tenure as owner: Joe Gibbs (who gets along w/ everyone, period) and Zorn, one of the seemingly most mild-mannered, ho-hum types you can find on the sideline. Not sure how much longer Snyder and Zorn we'll be buds but that's another story. Bottom line is it's Snyder who has all the issues when it comes to people, Vinny doesn't help either as his lack of personality is becoming rather infamous.

Williams has a stronger track-record than anyone on our staff, period. Throw him under the bus for the one year stop in Jax if you like, ignoring that the defense wasn't entirely turned over to him and he didn't get to recruit talent. When given control as he basically had w/ the Skins and definitely has now w/ the Saints he works wonders w/ typically not elite talent. That said, and it's certainly obvious by now I'm a big fan and totally believed he deserved the HC job here, I'm very happy he landed where he did. I think he'll acquire a SB ring within a year or two and that wouldn't likely have happened coaching in D.C.[/quote]

good post. I was also hoping he got the gig here. I know much has been made of his 'ego' but he learned from observing Gibbs & would've been able to grow as a head coach here if the Danny let him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602675]I don't think that one incident was as big a deal as it was made out to be. It's more that he just has a "rough around the edges" personality. There were some pretty ugly rumors about his time in Buffalo. Domestic stuff, but nothing ever verified so it probably was just ugly rumors[/quote]

Even if true, that was in buffalo, and he is owed some leeway for his past. Like anyone, I would think he's learned & matured in the biz. What really did he too to alienate the skins mgmt.?

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[quote=The Goat;602627]Why is it that Williams, possessing such an allegedly gigantic ego and contentious personality, has been able to thrive under/alongside so many personalities and within several organizations in the league? I mean c'mon this idea that NFL coaches are nice guys who must find a way to cow-toe to their owner carries no water...

...the fact is it's lil Danny who has only been able to get along w/ two coaches his entire tenure as owner: Joe Gibbs (who gets along w/ everyone, period) and Zorn, one of the seemingly most mild-mannered, ho-hum types you can find on the sideline. Not sure how much longer Snyder and Zorn we'll be buds but that's another story. Bottom line is it's Snyder who has all the issues when it comes to people, Vinny doesn't help either as his lack of personality is becoming rather infamous.

Williams has a stronger track-record than anyone on our staff, period. Throw him under the bus for the one year stop in Jax if you like, ignoring that the defense wasn't entirely turned over to him and he didn't get to recruit talent. When given control as he basically had w/ the Skins and definitely has now w/ the Saints he works wonders w/ typically not elite talent. That said, and it's certainly obvious by now I'm a big fan and totally believed he deserved the HC job here, I'm very happy he landed where he did. I think he'll acquire a SB ring within a year or two and that wouldn't likely have happened coaching in D.C.[/quote]

I'd say it's pretty telling that since 2004 when he became our DC he's never been considered a serious candidate for a head coaching position anywhere else. You don't have to be touchy-feely to be a head coach in the league but apparently being a complete prick isn't the way to get it done either.

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[quote=Defensewins;602640]The Jets vs Saints game was pleasure to watch. Both defenses are aggressive and play well. Unlike the bend but don't break/play not to lose/pussy style of defense we play. Williams had his CB's up tight on the WR and you could actually see the safety's. They we not playing 20 yards off the line scrimmage.

The Giants vs Saints game following the Saints bye week will be potential playoff preview. Should be a good game of two really good defenses.
Greg Williams is a respected coach in the NFL and is a better coach than Blache PERIOD.[/quote]I agree. And he would be a good HC too. He's paid his dues.

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[quote=Paintrain;602695]I'd say it's pretty telling that since 2004 when he became our DC he's never been considered a serious candidate for a head coaching position anywhere else. You don't have to be touchy-feely to be a head coach in the league but apparently being a complete prick isn't the way to get it done either.[/quote]

After I believe the 05 season he had an excellent shot to get either the St. Louis, Houston, or Kansas City job, but ended up getting a comparable amount of money to stay on as DC with us. He was definitely considered seriously by those teams.

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I totally agree with this post, the way he has been coaching lately is just remarkable. Makes me just wonder, what in the hell is blache doing? We have some of the best pass rushers in the league and we can barely get the blitz game going.

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[quote=freddyg12;602687]Even if true, that was in buffalo, and he is owed some leeway for his past. Like anyone, I would think he's learned & matured in the biz. What really did he too to alienate the skins mgmt.?[/quote]

I don't have specific examples in front of me.

But in the case of management here, I should clarify that I'm really talking about Cerrato (not Snyder). And many would say this is another reason Cerrato has to go, because it was really Cerrato who showed Gregg Williams the door and kept Fassel away too. Two strong head coaching candidates. Particularly the latter, in my opinion. Still though, there's no reason to believe Williams will be a successful head coach given another opportunity. Just the hope.

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Gregg Williams has New Orleans playing strong defense right now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602713]I don't have specific examples in front of me.

But in the case of management here, I should clarify that I'm really talking about Cerrato (not Snyder). And many would say this is another reason Cerrato has to go, because it was really Cerrato who showed Gregg Williams the door and kept Fassel away too. Two strong head coaching candidates. Particularly the latter, in my opinion. Still though, there's no reason to believe Williams will be a successful head coach given another opportunity. Just the hope.[/quote]

I kinda figured VC would've been the one that butted heads w/him. One thing GW has going for him on his resume is that his only job was in buffalo. That's been one tough place to win since the advent of unrestricted free agency. Since we beat them in the super bowl, both teams fell off & have been stuck in mediocrity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602667][B]Maybe Williams is just a good coordinator, that doesn't necessarily make him a good head coach[/B]. Maybe he'll have a good second stint as a head coach. But he could also falter again. He has alienated management in more than just Washington, and[B] he seems to be best suited to focus singularly on one unit[/B] and have someone else oversee everything and be a buffer between him and management.[/quote]

That's entirely possible. See Norv Turner.

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I thought Cerratto was the one who didn't want Williams

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602805]I thought Cerratto was the one who didn't want Williams[/quote]

Hey cowboys fan!! Well he might or might not have been liked by Cerrato but Snyder makes the decision. I just see Williams as someone who is strong willed and not passive and that is something that probably would and had caused him to bump heads with upper mgmt. He was brash and blunt. Didn't bite his tongue and DS wants someone who will speak when spoken to and not give their opinion on FO matters. Tht's probably why he didn't work. Danny had promised him th eposition if Gibbs didn't work out or that he woudl atleast take him into serious consideration. But he didn't thus we are where we are. Blache needs to tune down his ego which he did the past week and go back to what works and stop thinking he is a defensive genius. Disguise blitzes, bring more of them and use your personnel better, which he did last game.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602817][B]Hey cowboys fan!![/B] Well he might or might not have liked Cerrato but Snyder makes the decision. I just see Williams as someone who is strong willed and not passive and that is something that probably would and had caused him to bump heads with upper mgmt. He was brash and blunt. Didn't bite his tongue and DS wants someone who will speak when spoken to and not give their opinion on FO matters. Tht's probably why he didn't work. Danny had promised him th eposition if Gibbs didn't work out or that he woudl atleast take him into serious consideration. But he didn't thus we are where we are. Blache needs to tune down his ego which he did the past week and go back to what works and stop thinking he is a defensive genius. Disguise blitzes, bring more of them and use your personnel better, which he did last game.[/quote]

Nice. :FIREdevil

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With Greg Williams as coach, I had to sit back and watch LeVar Arrington being put down week after week because he was hurt. When he got well, he wasn't put back on the field to help our defense...He was held back by Blatche and Williams. So I could never accept Williams as the head coach. Jim Harbaugh will make a good coach in the NFL, if he is willing to accept a job somewhere.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;602392]I know it's not healthy or productive to look back but I must confess, I loved that dead-eyed bastard. Seeing him kick ass with the Saints is filling me with regret and a lot of "what-ifs". Okay, I'm ready for my flaming.[/quote]


Some may desire to resurrect the image of G. Williams now that he's having some success in NO, he was in Jacksonville prior and didn't fare so well.

Many of us (me included) were on board for Williams at the time but it didn't work out and we've moved on. At this point in time I really can't say we're any worse off for not staying with him.

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[quote=JLee9718;602862]With Greg Williams as coach, I had to sit back and watch LeVar Arrington being put down week after week because he was hurt. When he got well, he wasn't put back on the field to help our defense...He was held back by Blatche and Williams. So I could never accept Williams as the head coach. Jim Harbaugh will make a good coach in the NFL, if he is willing to accept a job somewhere.[/quote]

I used tolove Lavar. But let me tell you why he pissed some people off. You dont get injured and not play for almost 2 years then demand money. That was idiotic. But as far as heart and being a player he was a beast. He didn't fair that well when he went to NY and the truth is I dont think he was the same after his injury and our trainers probably didn't want to rush im back until he was completely ready. Almost the same situation with Gilbert Arenas. I hate to use him as an example because he is a b-ball player but it applies. He over did his comeback. Came back and got hurt. Then he rehabbed his knee again and came back and told the coaches he was ready to play. Then he gets a big ass contract. When he hasn't played in like 2 yrs. Then tries to put the team and coaches on frotn streeet saying they shoudl ahve saved him from himself. He forced the issue that he was ready but they were to blame for listening to him. Now he has a big ass contract and still disrespects the team. This is almost the sme situation to Lavar. But Lavar didn't get that money like Gil did and I think that was a good decision. You dont reward a player who has been out for two years and was hurt.

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Yes, I too wanted GW as our new coach. Our D was most likely top 5 in the NFL in his 4 year tenure here. They were quite the D. Not alot of takeaway, but they didn't give up pts and that's what matters.

Why not give him a chance? Because we had a Jim Zorn waiting? I guess if they all hated each other that's reason enough. Seems like alot of people hate VC and Danny lately. Too bad, we'll never know.

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I remember seeing GW being interviewed right after he got fired saying something like "Well, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm back here one day"...basically leaving the door open for him returning in the near future..

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I wanted Greg Williams. I also want another SB win. You can shit in one hand and want in the other, and see which one fills up faster.

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I one-millionth that! :) Always was the first pick in the mind of the players and coaches to suceed Joe Gibbs. And Greg also got screwed over by the management! That much was obvious.