Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

I remember at the beginning of the season. All the football experts and analysts were saying a key to the Redskins season was one of the 2nd round pick receivers stepping up. At first the front runner was Thomas. The reports were that he worked with JC through out the off season to get better and more prepared for the season. Ironically, Kelly took over the second WR spot after hardly playing last year. Saying that, Kelly still hasn't showed all this ball snatching potential he was touted for in the off season. In preseason Marko really shined. Some say it was just preseason and that it doesn't translate to the regular season. But it seems that Kelly and Thomas have been no existent. I think that the coaching staff has really lost confidence in them. [I]As well as JC[/I].

On the pass that was intended for Kelly that ended up being a INT. I didn't see proper positioning and efffort in him going up for the ball. He went for it at an awkward angle and allowed a smaller DB force him to the sidelines before the play on the ball. This guy is 6'3 and didn't extend properly for a jump ball effort. That INT was on JC. But when you look at taller receivers like Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss. They go up and snatch the ball from smaller DBs. My thoughts were that was the reason we drafted him. I have also heard that he is not getting separation from the defenders.

[B]Is it premature to think that Mitchell should be bumped up on the depth chart since he has a nack for catching touchdowns and also has more speed for separation?[/B]

We wonder why our offense is looking the same as it has last year. Most of the blame has been on JC. But shouldn't the 2nd year WRs be held accountable also? They have been no existent. So basically my whole point is that we are back to where we were before we drafted them. [B]Moss Cooley[/B] [B]and[/B] [B]ARE as our options[/B]!! On that note Fred Davis has been non-existent also. So where do you think we should go from here. Please chime in...

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This is the same thing I've been posting about. Don't forget Davis. I've been saying bench either Thomas or Kelly and start Marko Mitchell.

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MARKO MITCHELL is the answer please start him!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602865]We wonder why our offense is looking the same as it has last year. Most of the blame has been on JC. But shouldn't the 2nd year WRs be held accountable also? They have been no existent. So basically my whole point is that we are back to where we were before we drafted them. [B]Moss Cooley[/B] [B]and[/B] [B]ARE as our options[/B]!! [B][I][COLOR=blue]On that note Fred Davis has been non-existent also[/COLOR][/I][/B]. So where do you think we should go from here. Please chime in...[/quote]

Oh I didn't forget him either.

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I thought we'd see Thomas more as PR/KR but, Mitchell has to be given a shot eventually. Kelly is coming along. This is [U]his[/U] rookie campaign unlike Thomas.

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[quote=diehard;602878]I thought we'd see Thomas more as PR/KR but, Mitchell has to be given a shot eventually. Kelly is coming along. This is [U]his[/U] rookie campaign unlike Thomas.[/quote]

Yeah I think Thomas should be used more on returns because we havne't really been making any noise in that part of the game. It is his rookie campaign so to speak but he did play last year. Not a lot but he did play. But basic thigns liek going up for a ball or swatting it away from a defender shoudl be skills he already possesses as a receiver. pretty basic. he is like 6'3-6'4. Another thing is he is kinda slow getting out of breaks and doesn't create separation. You can't teach speed. He is more of a possession receiver.

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I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.

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For the life of me I can't figure out who's fault it is. It's easy to say it's Kelly, Thomas, and Davis. It could be JC, coaching, or the FO. Damn, i don't know. What I do know is that our 2nd rounders from last year haven't pruduced squat.

Conversely, the NY Giants young WR's seem to be just doing fine. There are alot of reasons for that but just making a comparison.

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[quote=dgack;602882]I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.[/quote]

True. He is allowing Cooley to go out more. Good point!! We will give him a pass..lol

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The entire Offense sucks. The Skins are 27th in the League in points scored, 2 points ahead of the Bucs and only 7 points ahead of the friggin Browns. Do we look at those teams and think they'd be Offensive juggernauts if only one of their wide receivers would step up? We have bad coaching, a bad O line, a QB who probably won't be starting for anyone next year (just like when Brunell left), a single RB who is worn down, a pretty good receiver in Moss and one of the better Tight Ends in the league.

AND the Skins have only played 1 legit Defense. What the hell are they going to look like when they stop playing the other contenders for worst team in the league?

Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.

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[quote=44Deezel;602887]Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.[/quote] :doh:

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[quote=dgack;602882]I've read a number of analyses that suggest that Davis is actually doing serious work as a blocker so he's at least contributing.[/quote]

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

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After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602890]From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.[/quote]

I agree we should use Kelly on those type of patterns as more of a possession receiver. This was how he was mostly used in preseason. Go to the first down marker and psot in front of a smaller receiver than run. On pass that was intercepted yesterday Kelly didn't have the speed and was forced to the sidelines. He does not use his frame well in that respect. On routes were speed is a factor in creating separation or deep routes. I think Mitchell is the man for that job.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;602867]This is the same thing I've been posting about. Don't forget Davis. I've been saying bench either Thomas or Kelly and start Marko Mitchell.[/quote] Davis, I just don't understand wasting on him.

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[quote=44Deezel;602887]The entire Offense sucks. The Skins are 27th in the League in points scored, 2 points ahead of the Bucs and only 7 points ahead of the friggin Browns. Do we look at those teams and think they'd be Offensive juggernauts if only one of their wide receivers would step up? We have bad coaching, a bad O line, a QB who probably won't be starting for anyone next year (just like when Brunell left), a single RB who is worn down, a pretty good receiver in Moss and one of the better Tight Ends in the league.

AND the Skins have only played 1 legit Defense. What the hell are they going to look like when they stop playing the other contenders for worst team in the league?

Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.[/quote]


Its tough to argue any of these points. The offense sucks period. Its not just JC, recievers, line, etc....its everybody. In my opinion the head idiot Zorn should get much of the blame along with the rest of the offensive staff, players should shoulder the rest and dont forget about the biggest loser in the organization, Vinny/Danny Boy who organize this roster and then trap the franchise with horrible contracts. To be shut out the first two halfs of the last couple games, against the worst teams in the league is absolute crap. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!

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[quote=Angry;602891]After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.[/quote]

Yeah its called bad evaluations by our FO. We knew what the rap was on Thomas and Kelly before they got here.

Kelly was slow

Thomas was not that experienced.

This analysis is proving true and rearing its ugly head.

But what makes you think Marko would fail. He has nothing to lose. He is the hungriest out the bunch. I heard him say in a interview that he iwill not be content at jsut making the team. He wants to move up the depth chart. I like that!! Shows heart and determination and swagger and he was the recevier that gained the most respect this offseason. Ask Carlos Rogers..ask D Hall. ask CP!! These are players not fans like us. They saw him on the field everyday. He attacked not just went through the motions. But all in all we will never know unless Zorn gives him a chance. I hope he does in the next few weeks.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;602893]Davis, I just don't understand wasting on him.[/quote]
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[quote=SmootSmack;602890]From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

[SIZE=4]For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns.[/SIZE] They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.[/quote]

Well so far this season I have not seen one pass from JC that really gave Kelly a chance to go up and get the ball over the defender. As for Campbell I don't think he does a very good job of surveying the field and tend to lock on to one guy.

re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

So are Kelly and Thomas are one singular being?

(Yeah I am ass correcting grammar)

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[quote=hooskins;602901]So are Kelly and Thomas are one singular being?

(Yeah I am ass correcting grammar)[/quote]

LOL. I was going to say something earlier but if there's one thing that gets the OP riled up...

re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

i know the answer bro- campbell locks in on cooley moss portis thats it davis kelly and thomas get a bone thrown there way every blueeeeeeee moon we cant blame them for production watch the film theres times where they open

re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

There are times when both Kelly and Thomas have been open on patterns and Jason (for some reason) is unable to get the ball to them. They may not be open by a wide margin, but as open as they're going to get by NFL standards. A receiver does not always have to be "wide open" to give him an opportunity to make a play on the ball. Being afraid of making a mistake or throwing the INT has affected the way Jason is playing. Once he comes to the realization receivers are not always going to be running "wide open", he'll trust them more and take advantage of that brief moment when the opening is there and they can make a play. It's a trust factor, with time they will get better.

re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

Kelly and Thomas can't get open because they come out of their breaks way too slow. They need to pick up their game speed considerably. The playcalling is woefully inept too, IMO, which doesn't help.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602904]LOL. I was going to say something earlier but if there's one thing that gets the OP riled up...[/quote]

Maybe if we merge them we can get a decent WR out of the two? LOL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602904]LOL. I was going to say something earlier but if there's one thing that gets the OP riled up...[/quote]

I kinda messed up in my post too. Shh....

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[quote=SmootSmack;602904]LOL. I was going to say something earlier but if there's one thing that gets the OP riled up...[/quote]

Just correct it SmootSmack

Where are Kelly & Thomas?

Thanks!!

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[quote=Angry;602891]After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.[/quote]

Not just receivers. It's hard to tell if the current regime has any ability to develop talent. 11 draft picks last year and no one but Horton could get on the field as a rookie, and even that didn't happen until Doughty went down with injury.

MK, DT and FD could all be bums, but who knows. They're essentially 3 games into their rookie season playing for an Offense that struggles mightily being coached by an unproven and heavily scrutinized staff that may not be here next year.

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[quote=hooskins;602914]I kinda messed up in my post too. Shh....[/quote]


Yeah keep in mind we have grammar police around here..lmao

Oops maybe you should have said kind of instead of kinda..just kidding ;)

re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

I'm starting to beleive we need a better WR's coach.

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I am more than honored to be a member of the Warpath Grammar Law Enforcement.

If we don't strive for perfection, why even post?

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[quote=hooskins;602920]I am more than honored to be a member of the Warpath Grammar Law Enforcement.

If we don't strive for perfection, why even post?[/quote]

:boxing:

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[quote=hooskins;602920]I am more than honored to be a member of the Warpath Grammar Law Enforcement.

If we don't strive for perfection, why even post?[/quote]
Well you do understadn that your only alowed to corret grammer of people that have lesser post then yourself.

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[quote=firstdown;602923]Well you do understadn that your only alowed to corret grammer of people that have lesser post then yourself.[/quote]

Haha, damn it. I am holding myself back.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602915]Just correct it SmootSmack

Where are Kelly & Thomas?

Thanks!![/quote]

Corrected

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Crap, now all my posts seem stupid.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

I definitely would run MK over the middle more. But he's gotta get better at running his breaks. Still, I think JC is not seeing the field all that well, and so he's not always picking these guys up when they do come open. He's got a good vibe with Cooley, at times he's been in synch with Moss and ARE, but he has yet to really click in a game with MK.

Just keep working. I think MK has the tools to be a good WR in the NFL.

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[quote=JWsleep;602931]I definitely would run MK over the middle more. But he's gotta get better at running his breaks. Still, I think JC is not seeing the field all that well, and so he's not always picking these guys up when they do come open. He's got a good vibe with Cooley, at times he's been in synch with Moss and ARE, but he has yet to really click in a game with MK.

Just keep working. I think MK has the tools to be a good WR in the NFL.[/quote]

Agreed, my sentiments exactly.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602912]Maybe if we merge them we can get a decent WR out of the two? LOL.[/quote]

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[quote=SmootSmack;602926]Corrected[/quote]

Thanks